Does God exist? What is his Secret Message?

[NewgodX]

God's Secret Message to all its creations?

My question is quiet simple, if God created everything then why there is no separate plant heaven or hell or no ant heaven or hell why only for humans, where does the tigers souls goes after death and where does the sharks souls goes.
If we are gods best creations then why we just keep killing each other and why God didn't make us immortal like the immortal jellyfish? Why God don't stop us from killing animals who can't fight back, why God accepts sacrifice of animals that don't harm anyone why don't sacrifice a tiger or a lion instead for the gods.
If death comes last then why life matters and why what you do in life matters,
What is God's Secret Message

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I have suffered in life, my parents died early and my marriage broke too now all females are banned from my life for ever, but I don't blame anything in God I take full responsibility for all the bad and all the good In my life. Yes i was born in a atheist family and I don't belive in God but I want to understand the concept, or I would have just started a question on sex or fashion.
Live a long and wonderful life, keep smiling take care stay safe,

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+1 y

Alright everyone thanks for the knowledge and I do reply to all the posts here, if I don't then I would have probably missed it coz the stacked system here is very confusing and I have to go all the posts to see the new ones, but I will reply to new posts when I see em. Have a safe day take care keep smiling live a long and wonderful life and for the believers may God bless you

[t-8900]

Scripture talks about all this. If you wanted to know you could easily pick up a copy of the Bible. If you're too lazy to pick up a bible go online and type in "What does the bible say about *blank*?" and your results with chapters and verses will come up.

I'll be brief: The bible says animals DO NOT have souls. We humanize them a lot nowadays and that's fine but they do not have souls according to all Abrahamic teachings weather Jewish, Christian, or Islamic. Animals are a RESOURCE, a sacrifice of a great hunt that is dangerous or hard labor to raise, and then relinquish to God. The reason for it is showing dedication. We no longer sacrifice animals to Him anyways. Jesus never asked us to do that. I'm fairly certain Mohammad did not either if memory serves correct. We are supposed to say a prayer of thanks before taking the life of the animal though.

Jews and Muslims still follow this practice but for some reason it fell out of teaching for Christians. We still say thanks at the dinner table though. The Torah never mentions a hell like is portrayed in popular culture today. It was essentially a place to spend time to cleanse the soul of it's past wickedness. In Christianity what we think of Hell isn't hell it's confused with the Lake of Fire which we'll visit if we choose sides against Christ in the end times and God will spit out (reject) the fake poser Christians for not being true to the teachings. He says He hates them more then non-believers. No idea what Islam teaches about Hell.

Life is your ultimate test of faith, dedication, and good will. You will make many mistakes but it's up to you to correct them and do better. It's your duty to help others as a Christian, there's no way around that. Being a Christian is hard, God promised Jews and Christians their lives would be full of persecution and misery and by standing firm you prove your worth in a sense. You prove you are thankful for all you have, for life, all those you love on earth. God blesses the poor and the meek and promises them a great place in His eternal kingdom.

[NewgodX]

Animal sacrifice is a routine in many religious acts of pleasing gods which is a good question as to why God created animals?, assuming they were created to be used as sacrifice then why there are animals who can outlive us and kill us,
The very concept of hell is fear of punishment and torment the objective of which is essentially controll and that can be understood that there should be rules to guide people or say control people
The main point is heaven and hell are hope ans fear so hope good will happen if you live good and fear the torments if you live bad
To me it's a tool of control and who ever controls the tool control thr mass of people following the tool bearer,

[t-8900]

You'd have to read the book of Genesis this is explained as to why Animals can and do kill people now, but it wasn't always the case. Animals=Food Source. Humans were made stewards over them all. We were to settle the land. If you look into the Torah which is the first source of this so called "hell" you would know there was mistranslations from Hebrew and Aramaic to Greek and Latin. The Torah explains that this so called "hell" is like a place that your soul spends time removing the toxicity and wickedness from it. It's not an eternal place of damnation, that's the lake of fire and it's reserved for Satan, his army, and the people who reject God during Revelations. You can bash some forms of bad interpretation if you so choose. Don't trash God because you were clearly too ignorant to take the time to READ things for yourself before jumping to conclusions. This is a very lazy copout because you were to lazy to spend time reading. Don't speak on things you have no idea about. Either put the hours in and do the research or don't speak on subjects you are clueless on. It's like a 5 year old telling their parents how to drive.

[NewgodX]

Humans acquire knowledge through communication and that's exactly what I am doing, regarding knowledge yeah I don't not personally read every book of every religion or every religious script that exists, but questing existence of creator is not a wrong thing if someone would not ask the first question we would not know everything we know now, believer always think they are good and atheists are just bad people
I can garuntee you, I have helped more people than entire churches have not but i don't brag that my quest for the answers is different than my personal conduct I'm life it's for truth and no question is too small or too bad for truth

[t-8900]

Curches are organizations, not individuals.. depends greatly on the individual church. I have friends from all walks of life and I've never made the claim that morality came from religion. On the contrary I believe we come pre installed and choose weather or not to listen to that feeling of goodness in us. I don't believe in good and evil in the same way you do. And if you out didn't know Jesus turned a highway man Into. an apostle, forgave a criminal on a cross, fed the poor, attended the sick and dying, broke bread with outcasts and confronted hypocritical clergy. Sound like a bad guy to you? Anyone being honest with themselves will admit Jesus was awesome even if you don't believe He is God in the flesh. Multiple religions venerated Him. Yes even pagans, Buddhists, and Muslims talk about Him. He was even added I to pagan Pantheons for His works. Revelation speaks about lukewarm Christians. God will outright reject them and He says He hates them. He prefers even non believers to fame Christians so take that for what it's worth.

[t-8900]

Typos on phone but I'm sure you'll figure it out

[NewgodX]

What or how I choose to live my life depends on me and that don't change the existences of God, whether people follow him or not he either god exists or not,,
What I see is religious heads trying to control the masses,

[t-8900]

That's you're choice then to not see all the religious people who don't associate with clerical figureheads. You're being unfairly dismissive to those who practice in privacy.

[NewgodX]

It's their choice to do what they want, or how they live their life, why God has to do anything in it, talking about being fair , i have been through a little pain lost my parents early got divorced and now females are banned from my life forever, I could have just blamed and hated God for doing this to me as he creates and controls all destinies but I never blamed God I blamed myself and my ex for that ,, it's easy to think all bad that happens to us is done by God Satan whatever it's hard to take responsibility for all the bad in your life

[t-8900]

because some of us hold the teachings of Christ very seriously. If you haven't read the New Testament then don't ask "how" because there is much to be offered to believers. It's not all doom and gloom with scripture. But if you dont read it then you dont know that. It's very easy to cherry pick bible verses and not know the whole story or the whole context. It's not fair to judge something based on what you've read online. And if Religion gives people peace of mind then that's something you need to accept.

[NewgodX]

Nothing in universe has only one side religion has good side too that I do accept and agree all the foundation of society and culture came from the books and that's good enough but what I can't accept easily is that people are killing each other using that same book that give people peace of mind and justifying it and religious people are not doing much against it

[t-8900]

But it speaks about this stuff in the last chapters, in Revelation. It talks all about those that call themselves of the faith but are not. The false churches, the lukewarm, the wicked, it speaks to all this stuff man. It's coming to pass. The people who kill "in God's name" are pissing Him off and they'll be sent to the lake of fire more than likely.

[PoliteSpeaker]

Here is the Secret (applicable) and Yes God exist and she doesn't give a damn about religion. You will not find a better answer than what I give you. And I say this as someone who looked as you are looking. These are not my ideas.

Nikola Tesla said, “If you wish to understand the Universe think of energy, frequency and vibration.“ Well I believe @newgodx That God is energy. Everything is made of energy. Energy just is, never created nor destroyed... Omnipresent... Sounds a lot like God. When I say God, I mean the origin of everything or creator. I don't mean a judge. We are told we are made in the image of God but yet everything is made from and of energy... Even matter.

I believe Energy or spirit is intelligent. I believe it thought of the world and universe. I believe what it thinks about it becomes. I mean look at the Laws of the Universe... Is that an accident? I believe science is studies this power outside of man and theology studies this same power within man.

The Secret? The secret is the Laws of the universe aka Gods modus operandi. I ain't talking about the commandments. I don't believe God gives a damn about 2 Gay people being together. What God would send to happy gay people to hell for being what they are. What God would send you to hell for being flawed and shaped by the world... It makes no sense. How can that be love. Anyway, the Laws is the great secret but yet they seem to remain a secret generation after generation. But you have wisemen speaking of them all the time. The 5th richest man in world history said, "Any idea that is held in the mind that is either feared or revered will, begin at once to clothe itself in the most convenient and appropriate physical forms available.”(Andrew Carnegie)
In fact, this was known as the Carnegie Secret. Einstein said, "Imagination was more important than knowledge"... Why would someone that smart say that. Edison created the talking machine purely from creative imagination. The Wright Brother were simply 2 bicycle mechanics while other people smarter than them spent millions trying to figure out how to fly... There are drop out that are millionaires. I have my own experiences as well that I can't explain other than these Laws.

Many Laws but the main ones I speak of and what I say is the secret our: The Law of Perpetual Transmutation of Energy or the Law of conservation of Energies. It is the Law based on what Carnegie said. Everything already exist it just moves from one form to another. Not out of thin air like the Big Bang but through already established lines. The Law of Vibration. It states everything moves. You probably know this law already. Everything vibrates and it vibrates on frequency. What frequency you operate on you will be in harmony with other things that operate on that frequency meaning you will attract those things to you. Law of cause and effect. This is where the Golden rule comes from. It is also Newton's 3rd Law. Law of Gender... It's a lot to explain man. You have to really study. It is simple stuff but I don't know if GAG will post this many words. Here I'll give you this, a guy by the name of Napoleon Hill was employed, without pay, by Carnegie to do a job that would take 20 years.

The job was to study the most successful men of that time and create a philosophy of noteworthy Achievement to give to America. Now he finished the job. And wrote a book. A series of books but the main one was the Law of Success 1925. Oddly enough it isn't the most popular one and really it literally is a textbook size book. That might be why. But in his most famous book this is what he wrote in the intro, some of what he wrote:
"YOU ARE "THE MASTER OF YOUR FATE, THE CAPTAIN OF YOUR SOUL," BECAUSE... When Henley wrote the prophetic lines, "I am the Master of my Fate, I am the Captain of my Soul," he should have informed us that we are the Masters of our Fate, the Captains of our Souls, because we have the power to control our thoughts. He should have told us that the ether in which this little earth floats, in which we move and have our being, is a form of energy moving at an inconceivably high rate of vibration, and that the ether is filled with a form of universal power which ADAPTS itself to the nature of the thoughts we hold in our minds; and INFLUENCES us, in natural ways, to transmute our thoughts into their physical equivalent. If the poet had told us of this great truth, we would know WHY IT IS that we are the Masters of our Fate, the Captains of our Souls. He should have told us, with great emphasis, that this power makes no attempt to discriminate between destructive thoughts and constructive thoughts, that it will urge us to translate into physical reality thoughts of poverty, just as quickly as it will influence us to act upon thoughts of riches. He should have told us, too, that our brains become magnetized with the dominating thoughts which we hold in our minds, and, by means with which no man is familiar, these "magnets" attract to us the forces, the people, the circumstances of life which harmonize with the nature of our dominating thoughts. He should have told us, that before we can accumulate riches in great abundance, we must magnetize our minds with intense DESIRE for riches, that we must become "money conscious until the DESIRE for money drives us to create definite plans for acquiring it. But, being a poet, and not a philosopher, Henley contented himself by stating a great truth in poetic form, leaving those who followed him to interpret the philosophical meaning of his lines. Little by little, the truth has unfolded itself, until it now appears certain that the principles described in this book, hold the secret of mastery over our economic fate. We are now ready to examine the first of these principles. Maintain a spirit of open-mindedness, and remember as you read, they are the invention of no one man. The principles were gathered from the life experiences of more than 500 men who actually accumulated riches in huge amounts; men who began in poverty, with but little education, without influence. The principles worked for these men. You can put them to work for your own enduring benefit."

But you really have to get the 1925 Law of Success. That is the manuscript that Ford and all the others got for the purpose of proof reading etc but rumor has it Ford wanted some stuff left out so the 1928 version that actually was published is different. I don't know true the Ford stuff is but I hear a lot of stuff to the degree he was a... I can't say the word on this site they will block it. It kinda doesn't make sense consider he helped in making the philosophy. I think the world just wasn't ready for the metaphysical explaining of things which is why his books come off not that metaphysical because it's all buried in the books. Unlike Wallace Wattles science of Getting rich.

Anyway... The further explain the Secret, I will just explain it in my own words. There are many secrets to success but the main one is the Laws of the Universe. For instance, If you hold a definite mental image or concept of what you want in your mind and GET emotionally involved in it and do this often and frequently it will begin to manifest within and through all things animate and inanimate in order to get you what you want. You may say that is crazy but you'll find that only unsuccessful people seem to say it is crazy. And all the people who believe in it and apply it seem to get result that leave you to believe they are lucky... Luck is just a word to describe the known effects of unknown causes. Now you just can't work the first 2 laws. The law of cause and effect, the vacuum law of prosperity, the law of increase etc etc have to be worked too. You cannot imagine richest and feel and believe them but hope they hope through the McDonalds pay check. They will only come through an avenue that is practical. You must start your own business. The money you give is in direct proportion to the service to provide. Like Causes and Like Effects. But the secret is your thoughts create your world. Now the truth is it's the thoughts you internalize and burn into the paradigm that control your life. A lot of being know how to do better but don't do it... That is why. The haven't internalized what they know. That is the other biggest secret. You can only alter the paradigm through repetition of an idea. The paradigm controls you logic and just about everything. It's why you have racist and people who fly planes into building etc. Or why people can't seem to show up to work on time and why high school drop out win in life sometimes and college graduates don't. the Bible isn't completely a waste though. 11:24 tells you what I just told you. It just doesn't explain it like I did and even I didn't explain it in depth believe or not. Like I said you have to study this man I cannot give you all of the stuff on here. It would be a book. You have to believe Jesus said well our belief system is based off of our evaluation of something and if you reevaluate a situation over and over and over with opposing ideas you will come to change your belief. If you internalize ideas with doubt you are wasting your time. You have to believe. If you really want to understand this and test it for yourself study Bob Proctor and ONLY bob proctor... That is very important. And remember what I said. Napoleon Hill studied all the most successful people of that time and this is the kind of stuff he came up with... Look at what Tesla said, Carnegie, Einstein, Emerson, Oprah, the list goes on and on. We should trust and test this information before we say it is crazy. They locked Marconi in a nut house for saying he could send messages through the air without wires. They laughed at the Wright brothers. Bob proctors family laughed at him... He went from making 4k a year in 1961 which is like 35k in 2021 to making 175k a year later which is like 1.5 million in the 60s to making 1 million a year within 5 years which is like 8 million today. He had cleaning businesses. Multiple. He was a drop out... Didn't even get to the 10th grade. Never read through a book still he was 26. I will post a video also maybe 2. Like I said man you will not find a better answer than I gave you. People will tell you God doesn't exist because they are looking for a man in a cloud... Because they hate religion. I am not telling you about religion... In fact I mentioned more science than religion. Although I think the Bible is very misinterpreted like I said. I believe Christ is the imagination faculty and it makes sense when you think about it. I believe people take the Bible too seriously. Millions believe in the Bible and are poor because they never do what is in the Bible... It says believe when you pray but no one does that. But yet millions don't know nor believe what I just told you. Mind is an activity and body is a manifestation of that activity. Goes very deep but if you are sad or angry it shows in your body. You think about things that make you angry and it shows. That is the simple stuff. Obviously now in the 21st century with the internet there are more people now but in the 20th century is was basically a secret. Like I said you can reject this information but I think we all better test it because the people saying this stuff were pretty huge people. I'll leave Mary Morrissey video too. Of her story. Many like it. Probably typos but I don't feel like rereading. But I did prove God exist. Now whether you choose to call that God in a state of openness or keep looking for a man in a cloud is up to you. Don't just study this info. Im so sick of talking about it with people. Everyone just talks but they never test. Consecutive thinking is the hardest work in the world until it is habit or a burning desire which both has to be built. This is part of my purpose. To prove that you really can become who you wish to become in this life. To prove it through my own experience. And tbh I don't wanna live in a world where it isn't true. The world is horrible if so.

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[PoliteSpeaker]

The Edinburgh Lectures on Mental Science by Troward. Study that, bob, a law of success 1925 if ur serious.

[PoliteSpeaker]

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[NewgodX]

So energy is the Creator, i read somewhere that when the universe will end even molecules of matter will decay and end as well and then there will be absolutely nothing left in the universe even time will not be there
I am not sure if all energy will be gone as well assuming it won't , then Still there will be nothing left to do, it's a good thought though can be possible

[btbc92]

You have to understand the basics and it starts by truly reading the word of God. But if you're not going to be able to fully understand everything at least you're asking some intelligent questions. The only thing I can tell you is a bit of what I know and what I had learned. To answer your first question yes he does exist. Since your second question is your last question I will focus on your other questions before I finish with that question. However I will not pretend like I have all the answers but I can at least say I can answer those questions to the best of my ability. It's up to you to figure out that on your own.

Heaven is on a different plane of existence which is quite different from Earth and any other physical planets in the universe. There are definitely other species, humanoids, races we or some of us may haven't seen physically before. So put it like this. What the world wants to tell you as fiction is actually reality and what people want to claim as reality is in the way somewhat fiction.

However, hell is an interesting one here, because I believe and have seen that it is on multi levels like heaven can be. It can be somewhat physical and is a spiritual place of eternal damnation. You have different levels of hell depending on the level of sin, you have the fiery pit, and a place where the most dangerous demons are locked up. How can also be the state in the condition of a person's mind period If you ever noticed a lot of people that ends up in the psych ward or they looked like this soulless, it is very possible they are trapped in hell while their physical body is still alive period. Remember your body is a vessel where does your conscious go? And it can also be the conditions of the life you are living. That's why there are some that are suffering no matter what happens, and there are those who have Bliss which is actually heaven on Earth for them.

The problem is is that we are not entirely sure considering about animals if they still have a conscience or Soul or not. We know that they have Spirits or else they would not be a life and function and have thoughts, feelings, and personalities of Their Own? I say is wherever God may lead them period They made be up in heaven, or the existence is as they last on this world. Sadly I can't say much on it. It is possible that their spirits do return to the father. Other than that I think everything else is a mystery. Even if God forbid that is not the case, we are still called to take care of them, as they are also living.

If you read in the beginning Book of Genesis, the first two chapters automatically tells you exactly why we have these problems at least on the surface level. God Did It originally created us in his own image, that also included the ability to reach god-hood. From what we I know of, is only human beings that is able to have that ability, while other races and other species could not because they are not human. So with Adam and Eve they were immortal at one point. When sin nature entered in, everything that was meant for us to develop in order for us to reach that same or similar to level was sabotage. And because of that we have fell short of the glory of God oh, and this is why we have the knowledge of both Good and Evil as well as having both human nature and sin nature. It is sin nature that makes us have these desires to do evil however that is only if it's in you to do it.

[btbc92]

We are all capable of doing sin and doing evil, but is also a personal. So while you can feel like God forbid of taking someone else's life, that doesn't mean you have to do it. Yet people do got choices. There are definitely people that is born more evil than others, and not everybody have the same level of desires. You must not have a desire to want to do it. Everybody has to work out their salvation with trembling and fear. And anything and everything you do it is nine out of 10 times generational. What you think you're doing for the 1st time 9 let's end times your parents your grandparents and ancestors have done the same. Because we inherited the genetics Seven Generations down the line. Why? I don't know.

God has his personal reasons as to why he may or may not intervene. Remember that God has given us all free will because he loves us and he desires for us to make our own decisions. If we are to be his children then we have to develop that as human beings the proper way, and not cheating our way into getting there. That's why those who practices witchcraft, Alchemy, or go to other sources for power they're already cheating and they getting their abilities from a different source. God does not operate in witchcraft. That is why it is so much wickedness and Rebellion down here. The thing is regards to what you think you believe, but you feel at the moment, let alone what you have been taught, we all have to survive the best way we can, but as the word of God says, he who loves his life shall lose his life. And those who lose that shall find it.

[btbc92]

At this given time we are no longer to do any of that regarding animals anymore because Jesus already came and is the perfect sacrificial lamb. Its symbolic. A limb is supposed to represent both purity and innocence, and as God being the shepherd so are we his sheep. and as the world of God says, my sheep hears my voice. This world is trying to make you lose that connection to God. Animals do understand their place in the world and their place in our lives. That is just part of life. Even other animals kill other animals because that is just a means of survival and protection. We as human beings are called to a higher standard. Therefore we have stricter rules than they do. You also have to remember that not everybody down here may actually be human. They may be humanoid and have similar likeness but that doesn't mean that they're human in their DNA. The Bible actually speaks of these things but a lot of people and sadly even the churches are not talkin about it.

Life matters because life is precious. When death comes death is just another door as is life is another door. When we entered into this life when I mother's birth is from her womb, we entered into another door. Therefore it is for once for man to live and to die and then comes the judgment. What we do can determine where we're going to go but it also is personal choice. We got to work to get to where we have to go. Everybody's going through a process, and everybody's process may not all the time be the same because everybody struggle and life is not entirely the same. Everybody do have their own life to live. But you still have to get through it and overcome no matter what.

[btbc92]

And God's message for us and that he loved us and that he sent his son Jesus for a reason so that we may be saved because we cannot save ourselves. And Jesus is message for us is that we must be born again. Being born again in the spirit yes is very important and being converted into the things of God is important yes. But it is becoming truly what God originally called for us to be. Like Jesus became.

[NewgodX]

First of all thanks a lot for your time and knowledge
My points are very simple if something lives it has live means it's alive and since it dies like we do we can't say animals don't have souls,
Animals do morn their death and happily play with siblings and mother die fighting to protect their children something we humans do
Have you ever seen a mother cat looking for her lost baby have you ever heard her cries when she can't have you ever seen her eyes after she failed to find her baby
I think that's enough evidence to prove animals are alive and hence have a soul too.

Coming to the immortality issue the books tell a story of the first 2 immotsls male and female they sinned and were reduced to immortal, but deep in the ocean there is a immortal jellyfish meaning that immortality can be achieved whether you are human or not have committed sin or sacrificed for God, now I would be very interested to know how the immortal jellyfish served God or fulfill God's purpose here ob earth

The concept of heaven and hell, science well only theoretically says other form of existence may be present but they can't say what those places have or not,, when a person dies his physical body ends aeverything that point onwards is what a alive or say a living man says happens,, since we have no dead sharing us any experience so basically still all the things and knowledge is basically first provided by a man who was alive and that's quiet poved since we don't have book written by dead but written on dead

[btbc92]

You have to remember that God is God and only he knows. The soul is our conscience, but we have a body, a soul, heart and spirit. The Soul and Spirit are actually very different. Yes animals do mourn the death I'm dead loved ones and is similar to human beings. However they are called to a different standard and human beings are. Of course I have, and many stray cats live in my area. However, they live different lives than we do. Nobody said that they are alive. But whether or not they have souls is a different story. You need a spirit for your body to function, as well as the soul, but life is in the blood. The soul goes where the soul goes.

[btbc92]

Again it is being looked at as if it's a story but it is not just a story. These are real events that had happened many eons ago. And we are going through a life cycle. They were many Adams as they were many Eves. No immortality have nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the fact that God is eternal, he is the creator of all living things, nobody can just create themselves, and he can give such abilities to whoever he chooses. Heaven and hell is not a constant it is truly there. But because we are physical beings as well as spiritual only the spirit is able to see and understand the spiritual things because again we are both Spirit as well as man. Science can only see but so much because science actually came from the heavens. So people will take anything out of context because they have an agenda to utilize it for their own personal agenda. The dead as my late mother had said take care of themselves. The matters of the living is of the living, and the matters of the dead of the Dead. God did not say considering that of the dead but the living. You have to be concerned of your own soul and where your soul is going to go at the end of your life. For the world truly does and with you as the world does start with you. The moment you passed away your world ends. Where you go after this life is entirely up to you.

[btbc92]

That is why we have rules and laws that God has created for us to follow. Because it is not only for our protection, to maintain our relationship with him, but so we will not harm and caused others to fall and stumble. It is to maintain and to keep balance. Before the fall, we was already built and equipped to know these things. After the fall, everything had to be regulated more strictly before everything gets out of control. You're already seeing that in this world already how far sin nature did what it did. At this point these things are inevitable, not everybody is going to be saved sadly. You have to make sure you know where you're going and that you are saved through his son Jesus. For you cannot get there any other way except through him.

[NewgodX]

We share almost all our genetics with cats that's why I used cats as an example, what can see Is lack of clear instructions , if God created us and that's a very big if then he dint make us perfect which is again a good question Coz if i create a phone I would want it to be perfect and since God is believed to have all the knowledge that thetr is which means there is no trial and er or invention of new tech like in our case henceforth it had to be intentional then the next question would be why create non perfect creations?

[btbc92]

No we do not. Humans are not the same as animals. We do not share our genetics with cats otherwise we are not human. Humans are created very differently from animals. He said he created us in His image. God did make us perfect. Anybody that says that he didn't is telling lies from the Devil. We are created in His image. That's why he said no man can be involved with another man and why a woman cannot be with another woman. When he created a man and a woman he created us to be able to be fruitful and multiply in procreate children. We cannot procreate with a rock, or a tree, or with an animal. Is an Abomination to him. I told you before. There was a sabotage that caused the fall to happen and we were the only species that failed. That is a trial oh, and everything you go through these lies all trials and you do go through your failures and errors. Life is like a school and you will have your tests and you're being tested every single day.

None of our technology is new. It is all old technology. I told you before. What God says is true. He did make us perfect. But when the fall happened, then we ended up falling short of what you had originally created. He gave them a commandment and that sadly ended of not being followed. We now have to work it out. Before Jesus came it was more difficult because people needed to be shown the way and very few ever made it. That's why would you make the Creator your God, and you truly believe in him and is of him, then no matter how many times you fail oh, he will show you the way through his son. For Jesus has shown and he's showing us the way. Not everybody wants to do that. It's not easy to walk, but he made the burden light.

[btbc92]

So if you're mixed up with an animal then you're not human. You of something else or considered humanoid.

[btbc92]

God is not the author of confusion. If you believe in anything that is contrary to what God is saying in your hearing from another source.

[NewgodX]

But there are lesbians and Gays on this planet, what happens to them? Since they are not following God's message?
My questions are more basic
Why hunger why thirst why not create something independent and better we the creation of God don't have all the knowledge but still we try our level best to create entities machines who can survive even after humanity dies
Why God didn't create the same way and why the end
Why remove all out achievements knowledge something that took so much sacrifice to come forward all those sacrifises and life lost Gone in vain with the end and again the same cycle of sacrifice and loss of life required to attain knowledge we already had

[btbc92]

The word of God is very clear. People have choices regarding what kind of Lifestyle they want to live. A man is a man and a woman is a woman. So no matter whether or not they feel they have an attraction to the same sex or not, it is not of God. He makes it clear that only a man and a woman can join together. It is best that they either do not get involved or this going to be consequences for them choosing to have sexual relations with the same sex. God did not save for anybody to be anything other than heterosexual. But anybody who may have came here the way they did, only God really knows why. But at the end of the day oh, people have to heal their sexuality. I believe more than half of the people that are claiming themselves to be that are not really that. They are actually very confused. A good amount of them have been molested by the same sex so they end up taking on The Same Spirit or believe that they're not normal so they start doing things that they already know it's not right. You got to remember that things happen to people and we don't really know exactly what happened to them physically or spiritually or both for there to be an issue. Only God knows. But if they feeling know something is wrong with them they have to turn to God and ask God to help them to overcome these challenges. But the moment they make a decision to choose to be that way than they already made the choice. It's up to them now to decide whether or not they want to stop. If they do not feel conviction of their sins, then there's not much that can be done. God is not going to impose on the Free Will of others. God is God. And he will make his judgment when judgment needs to be made. God has called people to repent and turn away from your sins. If people have no desire to do so that they are asking for the destruction.

[btbc92]

Because our body naturally needs sustainability down here. The physical body needs food, needs water. That is simply the basics of all living beings. In the garden, we had everything that we need it and we had relied on everything God had given us.. Still gave us things to work and be sustained with. All creation needs food and water and the ability to breathe. The body is a flesh but the spirit is of spirit. Even the spirit needs nourishment.

The problem is is that when people create these machines they don't realize exactly what they're creating. These machines are actually not of God. The goal is the trying to destroy humanity and most of these people who created these things are doing it for a different purpose because they want to be in control and decide who gets to live and who gets to die. They want to play God. So about technology over on itself is not evil is what you choose to do with it and what you're making out of it. It is not up to us to play God or else is going to be serious consequences. People who try to do things out of their own achievements are trying to be their own Gods instead of actually doing the things that God has commanded for all living beings to do. Not everybody sadly as I said before is of God parent and because of that they do the things that they do not realizing they're doing things in vain and of their own destruction. So no the loss of life is not for us to retain the knowledge we have. But again to be born again. Or else you going to lose your connection to him and your existence will be eradicated. The same way it is for your own computer. We are in a way like computers. And those files get permanently deleted it's gone forever.

[btbc92]

It is a fight for your soul and your right to exist.

[btbc92]

You need to understand this is a war down here and this is a battle. Not only do you have Heavenly battles, you got into Galactic battles, interdimensional battles, and you the physical battles and wars in this world as well as you have spiritual battles that is unseen to the physical eyes. Not just below the earth or even possible smaller creatures on the ground. It is very serious. This is not a joke. If you were born on to this planet you were born here for a purpose. And you got to choose who you're going to serve. Are you going to serve the creator of all living things or you're going to serve man. Because you cannot Serve Yourself. It is literally one or the other. See God is not going to force you. But Satan will because he's will cheat in order to make somebody suffer and to force people to do what he wants. God is truly of love and he loves all of us. He wants everybody to fully come to him out of my own free will. Because he is our creator he's the only one that can truly save us through his son. We cannot save ourselves, will fail every single time. But it is you who must come to that acknowledgment that you are a sinner. But it is your decision if you want to be saved from yourself.

[btbc92]

So while God does want us to have long life, living long doesn't always mean that you did the right things. It's how you chose to live your life and what you chose to do with it it's what it's going to matter. There are babies that don't even make it past a few minutes yet they are born are they not? Just those few precious moments does that not mean that life means something? How is it that somebody who don't make it pass a day gets more love than those who lasts more than three decades? Our grandparents live longer than us for those that are still alive in their 70s 80s and 90s, and sadly even they end up being forgotten. I highly suggest you think about that and how you choose to live your own life before you want to try to judge God for his decisions.

[NewgodX]

So there are other sources of knowledge other the knowledge created by the creator then who is the creator of that knowledge?

[btbc92]

God is the creator of all living things. What part of God is the creator of all living things do you not understand? That includes all knowledge. God is God. Do you not understand what that means? He is God. So everything that you think is new its been around for eons. But he made very clear with human should and should not know. If its not for you to know then you stay out of it. The creator of all living things knows all. Any knowledge that is contrary to him is not of him. So it has nothing to do with other sources of knowledge. But whether or not it's been tainted. There are just some things that human beings are not supposed to know about except for the special few who God will place the knowledge in. Everybody cannot have certain knowledge of certain things because they going to abuse it and God knows who these people are.

[btbc92]

What is your concern is the things that you're supposed to know. You don't dabble in places or areas where you're not supposed to go. This is why you need to read the Bible. He said he formed the light and he created Darkness comment he made peace and he created evil, he the Lord does all these things. If you're a carnal minded person you're not going to understand spiritual things. The same rules apply to me also. If it's not for me to know I'm not going to overstep. If certain things is meant for me to know it would be revealed to me in time. That's another reason why I don't say much to people also because they sometimes don't do right by what is being said to them.

[NewgodX]

But if God created everything then how confusion is someone else's creation and then who created and why? Also whoever created confusion has to be equally high as God to be able to bring confusion into the the lives of God best creations

[Pito123]

Man will not reach a state of complete certainty except in the afterlife, as man is in an isthmus between existence and nothingness, between good and evil. He will not stop doubting and uncertainty as long as he is alive in this world.

[btbc92]

@Pito123 Just have shown us the way when he had died on the cross and rose up on the third day, he was born again. That is why he was able to ascend to heaven. The user is lost. It is not that he doubts, he already made his decision and is in the reprobate. When we have the holy spirit and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord and our savior, then we have certainty when we truly believe in him. It is a process in this life and a choice. You have the right to choose who you are going to serve. Because if you wait until the "Afterlife", it becomes too late. You must decide now while you're still living. You must KNOW for yourself where you are going to go. I know for myself. So I can say for myself that God is with me and so is his Son, the Angels, and the Holy Spirit. Man has to decide for themselves what they are going to do. Do PEOPLE want to know God? That is the main question. You must have the desire to know for yourself.

[NewgodX]

@Pito123 but that's the whole point, until alive one only needs to control a man until he is alive not after he is dead..

[NewgodX]

@Pito123 but that's the whole point, until alive one only needs to control a man until he is alive not after he is dead, so if someone can control others until they are alive all he needs is done

[NewgodX]

U used the world lost for me, also that I have already made up my mind,
All the other religions don't belive in Jesus they have their own God's so they are all lost too ,
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If I would have already made up my mind I won't be asking this question I could have just started a question of sex or fashion,
Anyways you were not able to answer most of the original questions in OP, also we do share our genetics with cats, that's science no one can deny science, I know science can't give all the answers too but at least the answers of science are proven

[NewgodX]

So we all must reborn within our lives to achieve higher awareness or say connect to God but how does that rebirth in one's life takes place?

[LinaDaGoddess]

Yes God definitely exists, I believe in a higher power because I’ve had a lot of unfortunate things happen to me.. Before I was baptized I didn’t believe in ANYTHING and the experience that I had months before I started going to baptism classes changed my life and my perspective on higher beings.

[NewgodX]

I need to understand some thing you had bad or pain in your life then you begun to believe in religion or say God and all of the bad things stopped?, so after your entry in faith not a single bad has ever happened to you trust me that not the case
We humans have a tendency to blame it on something else when we cannot accept our fault, my parents died before I was 18 and my marriage broke too now females are banned from my life
But I don't blame anything on God instead i take full responsibility yes it was all must fault and my ex too,
The only thing that changed in your case is the prospective bad things still and will happen to you only you will take it as God is testing your but all the good that's God
Why you think like that why not give credit to yourself for all the good in life and take responsibility for all the bad why blame someone else for it

[LinaDaGoddess]

Ummm no you didn’t understand what I said.. I never said nothing bad happened to me since then… why did you feel the need to say that? I don’t understand why you asked a question and you’re not open to the answers.. you are very closed off and very negative about it… I also think you’re not truly wanting to know what others feel but more you want to argue because you’re very defensive.

[LinaDaGoddess]

You’re also very quick to make assumptions about what people are trying to say or what they went through. 😂 nothing of what you said describes my life or my experience and why I started believing again.

[NewgodX]

What's defensive about not believing something and I asked a question to you directly in thr context of my question no private no other subject, if I would not be open to answer I would not be here giving reply to each and every post that comes in
I give one side of the argument you can give me another and yes you can go read all my comments there are places where I agreed you might have missed em

[NewgodX]

Well what I assume is what I read in your post what you assume is what you read in my post and whatever happened to me Well a small bit of it is in the updates I put it up there Coz I ain't hiding anything,

[horsenrhinounicorn]

Yes, God exists and I know this because when I pray to him I see people healed and chains broken in their life, restoration of peace for individuals and hope. I have made six figures and been through poverty in my life, I thought my wealth could buy everything that I needed, but instead I was going after one thing to the next and it never gave me happiness, what I thought were my needs were only wants. When I lost it all I searched for God and it was him who provided everything that I needed and gave me a peace that passed all my understanding.


God created an original heaven that included every animal and every plant and their will be one just like it. This was called the garden of Eden. However man and woman sinned and got separated from this lifestyle as humans were given the ability to choose. If we did not have this ability to choose we would not have our rights to make our own choices. God so loved us that he gave his one and only son, so that whoever chooses to believe in him will not parish but have eternal life in heaven. God did not send his son into this world to condemn it but to save it. Those who choose to persevere through these hardships will be able to wipe away every tear from their eyes, no more sorrow, mourning or crying or pain, for these things will pass away. There is one way to find out if his is real. Pray this simple prayer: “Dear Lord, Jesus, I know I am a sinner. I believe You died for my sins. Right now, I turn from my sins and open the door to my heart and life. I confess You as my personal Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. Amen.” You don’t have to go to a priest to repent, you can simply ask him directly. Let him show you he is real and be set free.

[NewgodX]

First of all thanks for the knowledge
You said you made out of poverty I belive you should give yourself some credit for that what God has done for you Is arguable
You said even after lots of money you were not happy coz you were simple going from getting one thing to another,, trust me I know exactly how that feels after my marriage ended in 3 months I too tried ro escape by going on a spend money to buy happiness routine but I too found out i was not happy then I realized that true happiness comes from within now I just do simple things and yet am very happy
The reason of pain or mysery comes from mainly two sources internal and external
Internal means emotions we let emotions control us hence the pain
External when another human do something wrong with is we feel failed or defeated and hence the pain
But if we just take it as a regular course of life then I guess there is not much pain
All one needs is a change in perspective

[Shizunk]

Which one? There are a lot of them and you didn't specify. Now the reason tigers don't go to heaven is that they dont have much abstract thinking, so they need no alternative dimensions to cope with death.
I personally chose to believe in Devana, the goddess of hunt and harvest. Her message is incomplete, because some of what we know of her was probably invented in the 19. century, and as such she is a newer fictional character, which reduces her standing among older gods, who were created in times when critical thinking wasn't invented yet, which is why they are more respected. But that is totally unfair.
Devana wants you to act cautiously and with restraint, but pounce decisively, should an opportunity present itself. She values cooperation and care within your pack. Where they go, you go. You stick with your loved ones, stay loyal and never abandon or betray them. If you follow her guidance she will provide you with abundance and love. Women in particular tend to ask her to help form lasting relationships and avoid temptations that could undermine them. Apparently, she acts as a maiden and a mother, which is totally not contradictory.
I don't think she would understand the concept of heaven though. I may ask her for you next time I meet her though. Why she would want us to stop killing animals, that I dont understand. What would be the point of hunting them, then?

[NewgodX]

Well I am talking about all Gods not anyone specific, a form of higher power creator in a sense, our religious books don't say much any animal or what happens to them, after death and all, in hindu mythology a cow is given to man as gift for welfare of mankind that's why cows are sacred in hindu culture but Muslims find no error in Killing and eating it
Since the theory that all humans are created by God why one was given a different set of rules why the others were given different
Also if you think logically this would surely create conflict as we are talking about sacred animals here and thus at one point there would be a fight over this
This in a way puts God In a position where he would want all his creations to fight against each other then all the talks of God love all it'd creations equally automatically fails

[Not_Average]

The theology goes like this. We our gods perfect creation. We are brought in a evil and broken world untainted. As we age, the evil world tears us down. We emulate the laws in which scripture teaches us even when you’re broken and it’s hard. We share the gospels and the way of a perfect a pure life that Jesus lived. We are temporary residents and our duty is to fulfill Christ like character and die to Jesus Christ of all your sins. You are condemned to hell unless you accept Jesus. Jesus sort of works as your attorney in the day of judgement. You as a sinful human are not worthy, but Christ died on the cross for your salvation. We are temporary residents to this world, and we are just passing through. God is interested in our character rather than or happiness. Christ suffered immensely. We suffer too. We grow closer in our suffering to Christ. We develop our biblical wisdom through trials and tribulations. Do you reject the gospels? Do you reject Jesus Christ when you don’t feel as life is fair? Then you’re going to spend eternity in hell.

Im a Christian, and I’m not preaching to you, but this is the doctrine and theology that Christians live by.

[NewgodX]

First thanks for the knowledge and I don't take any religious statement or experience as preaching,
My point rather question is very basic, all our lives we are told to belive in some higher form of power and what we should in our life to be able to enter a place according to our karma here in the mortal world,
I have 2 points here
Why give power to other rather than self meaning why we believe all good that happens to us is God and bad is our fault
2 why be so concerned about the afterlife which we don't know about and possible have no control about

All this looks more like a tool used to keep general people in line, coz the religious heads of all religions have committed sins too

[Not_Average]

So when you have car troubles, the smartest thing to do is go to the owners manual and find out if you missed any maintenance checks. How often do you need to rotate the tires? Every car can be different. In a sense, Christians believe that god had created us, and he knows best for us. When we rely on ourself, we tend to make a ton of mistakes because our hearts are filled with corruption and evil intentions. We also haven’t been around for eternity, so Christians would frame making your own decisions as blind arrogance. Also, there’s a belief that god prunes us. Like I said, he cares more about our character than immediate feelings. The gospel of Job is a good reference to this.

I honestly have my doubts here and there. The concept of tithing really turned me off initially. It’s when you donate 10% of your income to the church. I was an atheist my entire life. I looked into Frank Tiplers work as a physicist and I realized that atheism is a belief system as well. Jordan Peterson is another intellectual that opened me up.

The idea of forming a relationship with someone you cannot see or touch makes one feel crazy initially. When I surrendered, it honestly blew my mind. I could write everything off as a coincidence, or consider that maybe, just maybe this might be legit.

The presence of god will bring tears to someone’s eyes. Its a euphoria that you’ve never felt before. It’s powerful stuff dude lol. It’s changed my life in such a dramatic way. For this reason, Christians have conviction that there is an afterlife. If you have a relationship with god, then you assume that all of the laws of scripture are true.

[NewgodX]

You said you were an atheist and you didn't belive in God at a point of life, so it'd very logical that you didn't blame or thanked God for all the bad and good in your life bak then, now you do belive in a higher entity and you have someone to thank if you want to that is, how has that changed anything if you are successful that's you , your hard work your commitment to your work and all, if you fail then it's on you too someone may he 1% better than you and that's understandable
What exactly does God has to do in any of it also thanking God or blaming God how does that helps in anyone's life both physically and mentally?

[Exterminatore]

Do you have any further indictments for God?


Is it right for the clay to say to the potter: “why have you made me thus?” “Why have you made the universe and all in it as you have?”


You can find all the answers to your questions in the Bible.


I will provide you with 2 scriptures. Despite what most think, God does not hear the prayers of the wicked. He does not hear the plea for help for those who do not belong to him. The requests of those who care not to live by his statues and decrees will be wholly ignored. In fact, God not only does not hear the prayers of the unrighteous, he in fact hates them with a more than perfect hated.


If I had a dime for every person who demanded an answer as to why God did not respond to their pleas I’d be wealthy. Why should God respond or even care about the petitions of those whom have no relationship with him and don’t care to have one, yet expect God to be their servant when they should be his. They treat him like some genie who grants wishes.



“If I had cherished iniquity in my heart, the Lord would not have listened.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭66:18‬ ‭ESV‬‬



“For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers. You destroy those who speak lies; the Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭5:4-6‬ ‭ESV‬‬
God hates all workers of iniquity and hears not their pleas and petitions.

[NewgodX]

Well you made a fair point creations have no choice but to follow what's they are made for so by your saying we are not free which is hopeless but as long as it's truth I will take it,
Bad things happen to good and bad people too so there is no point being good coz we can all blame all of it onto God if I am not good looking it's God's fault if I am not successful it's God's fault if I am in pain it's God's fault
Then why live why not just end the pain thats a better option suicidal are called cowards and losers but I don't think they are cowards it takes great courage to end own life,
If we are to follow a routine and die eventually then why care about anything specially doing good to others and all

[MCheetah]

No. Humanity is too stupid to even know themselves, let alone what created the universe. Tell me; how many people know 100% of who and what they are? And I'm not atheist per se; I just doubt primitive humans from 2000+ years ago had a single clue what the Creation of All was. If there IS a higher power, humanity would have no idea who or what that is. But I also think, if there is a higher power, then it likely hates us, from all the unfairness, innocent death, and savagery that goes on, among this backwater inbred species of retards.

[NewgodX]

That's the point if there is a creator it would do something when it sees its creations malfunctioning and this should be normal coz when we create a phone or a car and when it stops working we fix it,, now even assuming that the creator has abandoned us or say left us to do what ever we can say achieve wonders or perish ourselves then too we are not doing much good since we are creators best creations
Lastly if I hate a painting I made I would take it out, if our creator hates us we should not have been here

[qwert1234]

I don't believe in one.
But if God exists - maybe it did not create humans as stated. Maybe it just created the universe, and let things work on their own. There's no mystery, nor message, nor grand plan. It doesn't care, doesn't nurture, it doesn't interfere. It probably watches from time to time when he passes the universe on God's hallway.

We're thinking that we are special, the best one, the greatest creation yet we have not explored majority of the universe to have an accurate assumption.

[NewgodX]

That's my same question we are not biologically superior there are animals who are far more biologically superior
In fact a ant has superhuman strength we don't

[Katebfun]

Well people seem to forget that GOD gave humans "Free Will" the majority of suffering is due to the collective EGO. It separates, it kills it destroys and thrieves on negatively.

Nothing is bad nor good unless you call it so. This is all a dream for our souls evolution.

[BigKevHanma]

That free will stuff is bull crap
Explain to me how we have free will when we’re forced to exist

[NewgodX]

@BigKevHanma you can end your life and not exist anymore that's your free will and you won't be punished in hell or anything for that
You see a child on the bridge he is about to fall down into the river, you can choose to save him or leave
If you do nothing good comes to your life if you don't nothing bad comes to your life that's free will
You can choose

[NewgodX]

We have free will and we don't need God for it,, the existence of God is irrevant to free will,,
If you save 10 lives still you are the same
If you take 10 lives still you are the same
The only difference being the type of things you attract In this world Coz of your actions if you save 10 people will call you a good human if you take 10 then you will be called evil
But that won't change your life in old days when society was different and population was low people would kill other people and go away since they were never caught no harm ever came to them from law or law enforcers
Even in a war you don't get anything bad for killing you are rewarded the very first message of God to man as be good to other humans is clearly broken in daylight that too in the name of God remember Holy war crusades and all
You get me point

[Exterminatore]

God did not give man free will. God is sovereign over all things. Man’s will is in bondage.

[NewgodX]

@Exterminatore then why all the talks about doing the right thing the very concept of karma is based on freewill mainly saying it's onto us what we do it's not pre decided

[Exterminatore]

I do not believe in Karma. I believe in the God of the Bible who says:

“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:11‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:29‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.”
‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭16:33‬ ‭ESV‬‬

In regards to salvation man does not have free will either. Man does not chose God. God choses whom he will save.

“even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:29‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:44‬ ‭ESV

[Exterminatore]

@newgod

The talk of doing the right thing is because God demands righteous conduct.

Righteous conduct or good works are powerless to save. They are rather the evidence of salvation as opposed to the means of it. The means of salvation is faith in Jesus Christ alone. The proof of the faith in Christ is doing what he commanded.

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:44‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[Exterminatore]

@newgod

Sorry. Meant to paste this scripture.

“Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

[NewgodX]

@Exterminatore I went through your lines but I think I saw a line saying I don't believe in karma, then why bother about good or bad karma if all we do is not according to feel will and order or will of God then all the evil one does is God's will and a person cannot be blamed for that, if we are not choosing what we do in life then we should not be held responsible for about karma

[vald9inches]

So about natural evil such as the black death or covid or hurricanes? Are those because people have freewill?

[Exterminatore]

@vald

Excellent point.

[NewgodX]

@vald9inches covid may not be natural as for other plagues, yeah they have reasons a specific mix of elements resulting into a deadly infection. It has nothing to do with God or good or evil with in ecosystem with no humans there are infections example underwater life has its own infections

[BigKevHanma]

God is a fag

[NewgodX]

@BigKevHanma we should not be calling names for those who ain't sure exists or not and since religion is a serious issue for people i think it's better to be logical in debates so it go bad and the discussion stops

[BigKevHanma]

That’s who taught Jesus to suck dick that’s why he came and hung out with prostitutes and rode ass😂

[BigKevHanma]

@newgodx “ in the beginning god made the double sided dildo so that Adam and Steve could slam their twink asscheeks together while blowing the magical fly tranny dinosaurs” - Genesis 1:1 🤣🤣🤣

[NewgodX]

@BigKevHanma dude don't disrespect any religion I want to debate logically and throw dirt at each other coz they will delete my topic maybe

[Elladice]

God doesn't beg for who so ever to believe in him, he created water he created fire it's just your choice to choose the one best for you buh at the last day we all will give account on how we leave our life before him and he alone we decide our final faith so don't be deceived.

[NewgodX]

Well first of all thanks
Second I am atheist so I don't believe in last days final judgements and all,
The most interesting thing about afterlife is we still don't know anything about it, we have theories that we know of from religious books but we don't actually have any proof, all the information came from the living not dead, all versions of life after afterlife are different in different religion but the purpose is pretty much same,
I think the fear of hell and hope of heaven can be used to control mass population which has happened in the past, and now people are leaving it behind,

[maddie2003]

God exists. I think nowadays he is trying to warn us, as the Book of Revelation is the only book in the Bible that has yet to play out. Some believe that we are already beyond the first two Seals, meaning that it is currently playing out.

[NewgodX]

How accurate are the books since I don't have deep knowledge of the books I can ask you if you see the incidents and identify them as being fulfilled?

[maddie2003]

According to historians, the books in the Bible are the most historically accurate recollection of history.

[maddie2003]

Yeah, you can ask me about the scenarios in Revelation

[NewgodX]

I want to know about practical knowledge I mean something that we can use or already has been used, I know books have knowledge in form of morale or ethics I mean the main point of those stories is to set a standard of morale or ethics
I am more interested in either practical prophecy and practical knowledge something man created after reading the holy books

[Rachelspiks]

No they're not. Which "historians" claim this? Name them.

[NewgodX]

@Rachelspiks i am just asking what have the books taught us that we are using today In terms of practical knowledge?

[maddie2003]

@newgodx The most applicable stuff has to do with the New World Order, i. e. the Mark of the Beast, the single world bank, a man who will make everything better and claim to be the Messiah (but is really the Antichrist), etc.

[maddie2003]

@Rachelspiks Most recently was archaeologist Amir Ganor whose team uncovered Dead Sea Scroll fragments that are some of the oldest recollections of Biblical text. This took place in mid-May of 2021.

[Archerer]

God doesn’t “try”

[NewgodX]

Man have committed crimes long ago, even if religion would not exist, man still is capable of committing bad things.

[NewgodX]

It's a good thing all form of knowledge is valuable

[NewgodX]

@Archerer so you mean God does and is absolute is sense

[Archerer]

It’s like saying Harry Potter does magic, it’s true, even though Harry Potter isn’t real

[maddie2003]

@Archerer I used the word trying because he has warned many of us unsuccessfully

[Archerer]

So God is unsuccessful then lol

[NewgodX]

What are the actual warnings I mean except that man will commit more evil deeds which we can see in the current world destroy the harmony of nature which we can see too
What else has been projected as warning

[NewgodX]

@Archerer if there is free will then it's very possible that he wants something we want something else you see all the movies were man wants their machines to do something and they go against their creators will it can be the same principal

[maddie2003]

@newgodx I was reading it the other day actually. I think that right now the things we should be mostly looking out for are violations of our rights (especially pertaining to privacy), the creation of a single world bank (I'd be skeptical of the EU), and a spike in poverty-related deaths (we are seeing a lot of this in even the U. S., as many more now live below the poverty line).

[NewgodX]

So poverty that's a warning well that's a true red flag also economic crises that's real too we can already see the affects of corona on economy

[Archerer]

Expect there is no free will, and no God

[NewgodX]

@Archerer if there is no God then why their is no free will as well,. if God don't control its creations through destiny then how come we don't have free will?

[Archerer]

“Free will” is just an illusion, we are just a product of our genes and the environment they interact with, we’re just along for the ride… God is irrelevant, just a fictional character in a book.

[NewgodX]

@Archerer what about immediate free will say if I want to go out and kill someone or just jump off the roof what is exactly stopping me? How it works?

[Archerer]

Why don’t you want to?

[NewgodX]

@Archerer not at the moment but I did went suicidal for a short period in my life and I almost jumped off more than once but I feel I didn't wanted to coz I thought it won't save me in the way i want to so i left it behind, but I can if I want to it's just that I don't want it at this moment,, i assume you are trying to say that subconsciously we are simply not capable of doing certain things that's our line we can't cross
Is it that?

[Archerer]

Yes it wasn’t in your genes to do so

[Archerer]

You might choose vanilla over chocolate but you didn’t choose to like vanilla over chocolate, so if you choose what you were going to choose either way how is it a choice. You’ve been conditioned to like vanilla so when you are in a situation to choose, you think you made a free will decision but you are just choosing what you were always going to choose, vanilla

[NewgodX]

@Archerer and who or what decides what i choose

Also I have a full separate topic destiny vs karma you can continue this there if you want to that is

[Archerer]

Genetics, and it’s interaction with its environment

[NewgodX]

@Archerer genetic? So you are saying that I am genetically incapable of killing someone, now I do know that not all of human DNA has been mapped so we don't know everything but I think I have heard that psychology plays a important part in making us who we are and that can be affected after trauma how does that fits in

[Archerer]

I don’t know what you are and aren’t capable of.

Psychology is also just your genetics interacting with the environment, and of course trauma can change it, free will plays no role in any of that. If you look at your thoughts for a moment you’d realize your brain feeds them to you and you just think them, you don’t know what your next thought is until you’ve thought it, and it’s your brain that gifts you those thoughts. If I say think of a colour, what ever colour you just thought of seemingly came from nowhere right? You didn’t CHOOSE for that colour to come to mind, your mind just brought it up for you. Start big and go smaller and you’ll see no thought is one of free will. You didn’t choose to be male or female, to be straight, to be born, where to be born, your parents, you don’t choose what memories you keep and which you forget, you don’t choose when you are hungry or tired or horny, you don’t choose what turns you on, of what kind of music you like, this just keeps going and going until you realize you don’t choose anything at all, even the smallest choices possible

[Archerer]

Our “experiencing self” is just along for the ride and the illusion of free will is that it is “us” making our choices, the us being the voice in our head, but the script is always written for you

[Archerer]

By the playful interaction of our DNA and the environment

[NewgodX]

@Archerer how environment affects and whe you say environmental does it Means nature or surrounding conditions of society an entitiy is In like the Somali children would easily kill someone coz of their immediate environment

[Archerer]

The environment typically activates whichever genes your programming suggests, but to answer your question both are true.

[Archerer]

A hostile environment like child soldiers will activate hostile genes because the weak or sensitive ones don’t last long in those environments, the same person might have a different personality all together in a different environment say in upper middle class Canada, but both personalities lay dormant in your genetic structure, waiting for real world interactions to activate or remain dormant. Obviously this is a very simplified way of explaining things, but if you just spend time analyzing the nature of your thoughts themselves you’d catch on quickly. Why is it impossible to meditate and have a “quiet” mind, within seconds usually your brain just starts feeding you thoughts again

[NewgodX]

@Archerer well i do agree wirh environment playing a big role in character development but their are cases where a kid is brought up In a good normal family and turns out ot a serial killer in future how those genes activate? Given they don't get those kind of environmental activation of sorts

[Archerer]

That is a different conversation, it is not because of free will. In fact, if you ask many criminals they will say "I wish I wasn't like this" or even "I didn't have a choice but to be like this" yes humanity is strange, and the concoction of DNA possibilities is staggering, but to disprove freewill I don't need to answer such questions. There is an answer and it is very complex, but it is not necessary to have that answer to disprove free will.

[maddie2003]

@Archerer If free will doesn't exist, how did you decide whether or not to believe in God?

[Archerer]

My genetics turned me into someone who respects logic and proper reasoning

[maddie2003]

@Archerer I'd argue that that has more to do with life experience

[Archerer]

In other words, I didn't have a choice but not to believe given our current scientific understanding, I wasn't made that way, to just have faith I mean.

[Archerer]

Yeah, life experience = your genetics interacting with the external world…

[NewgodX]

@Archerer some would say they don't want to be who they are some might have even committed crime in a state if rage or hate but there are some who want to do bad things, they choose to do it, for they it's their choice and they accept full responsibility of their actions

[NewgodX]

@Archerer well if normal guys could kill someone In a certain situation say self defense or protection of a loved one then it should logically mean that all of us are designed thr same in a primitive sense it's just that our immediate envirmwnts shape our behavior according to where we are

[Archerer]

Well that’s just what their genetics had programmed for them in their situation, it doesn’t matter how you explain it it remains the same, free will is just an illusion, whether or not serial killers exist is irrelevant. The choice itself doesn’t matter, whether it’s murder or a flavour of ice cream, it’s all just genetics playing out their code in real time

[Archerer]

Yeah I’d agree with that, of course in our DNA it’s written to survive at all costs more or less

[NewgodX]

@Archerer I am not too sure that genetics would mean everything I mean our behavior is not math, all our actions can't be traced to a genetic code, even people whith the same everything can be different so it plays out different for them

[Archerer]

Yes their environment is very important too, same genetics with two different lives would lay out differently, the point is the choices come naturally, not through free will, obviously it’s very complex what is happening I’m not trying to trivialize how complex our behaviours are

[NewgodX]

@Archerer who write the script if there is God?

[Archerer]

Evolution

[NewgodX]

I read a article saying army veteran talks about his twin brothers suicide so one of the twin brothers commies suicide, if twins are almost genetically same why one decides to end and one does not?

[NewgodX]

@Archerer evolving is complex, I mean look at just one single event, we humans had hair all over our bodies that would protect against cols somehow we decided to shed those hair and then started killing animals with fur to cover our bodies with their fur to save ourself from cold, that don't make much sense evolution creates the necessary In this case it created the opposite

[Archerer]

They had the same genetics but different experiences. Did you expect them to make the same decisions at the same time for their whole lives? lol they went through different things in life, from day one. But it was still their genes reacting, no shit they would have different lives… the interesting question would be what would have happened if the twins switched lives, but we’d just be speculating.

[Archerer]

Genetics are more complicated than just “having the same”

[Archerer]

Are you saying we chose to evolve less hair? Lol no

[Alwayreckles93]

God does exist I was told that I had diabetes I prayed to God heavenly father Jesus Christ and I was cure one day I went to my doctor and he order some blood test my doctor was Surprised and told me I no longer had deabetes. And I had dreams of flying in the sky and I saw Jesus Christ. Yes God does exist you just need to have faith.

[jshm2]

It's the wrong question to ask.

Mainly as "exists" implies a "beginning" and "end". God to be God cannot have a beginning or an end, else it's not God.

God I suppose the "secret" message is "Don't be a dick, no one gets out alive, regardless of how you live."

[NewgodX]

I know no one is here forever we have some animals who can have way longer lifespan than humans and so they are superior creations over us and it might hurt our ego a bit but the immortal jellyfish will outlive most who are talking here right now,
Regarding your don't be a duck thing well people do bad things all the time and there is no punishment after death for it well we don't know for sure as of now, so someone might just think why not do bad things except humans who will stop us

[pickedcrisps]

To live this life and for the special few to be rewarded in the next life while retaining all the memories and experiences from this one.

Nowadays I really do view this life as like the Predators movie in 2010. This is a training ground. But not from being a warrior. But learning how to be a nicer, better soul for it.

And courtesy and respect. For fellow man and woman and in between. 😇😮

[NewgodX]

I have helped a lot of people with money and everything I could do for them and yet I was given pain in return I don't mind the form of that pain or the reason
If this pain was a test which you say it is then what did I prove and how will that judgment affect me?

[pickedcrisps]

Because who would invite a rude selfish cruel person to the world's best ever party? Exactly. It's not too hard to think like the mind of God or a god. After all... even god is sort of human... made up or not... get it... he's got feelings too ya know and knows good company from bad company to have around or to keep around hahahaha in both lifetimes 😇😇😇😜😜😜😁😁

[NewgodX]

I get what you mean In easy going way but in a equally easy going way
Why create beings test them who is good then take em for party rather than just create perfect good party friends and get done?

[pickedcrisps]

I saw your updated. Oh don't worry man. You'll believe someday. Maybe when you're an old man. You'll start attending church towards the twilight years and believe. God, devil, grim reaper. You'll believe by then 😈😈🙏🙏😋☮️ peace out

[NewgodX]

Well something godly will have to happen to make me belive

[pickedcrisps]

God-willing *cue twilight zone movie theme from '83* 😈😈😈

[NewgodX]

I was born after 83

[pickedcrisps]

It's a great movie. Narrated by an actor who starred in Rod Sterling's personal fave episode. The guy who played Henry a bank teller. Cheerio bro ☮️☮️☮️😈😈😈

[mrkdvsn]

We and everything around us exists, so God has to exist in order to have formed it.
He has no "secret message". Everything He needs to tell us is in plain sight, whether it's in His Word or through the Holy Spirit. We just need to have faith and obey.

[NewgodX]

I do understand that for all things to exist there has to be a creator but I don't think it has to be something like God,, I mean sending souls to heaven and all and all, it can be a simple process of science that created everything and we can all call that scientific process the creator

[TheGuyInJs]

If you just wanted to trash everyone elses religion why on earth would you ask lol. We get you are an atheist, I do pity you though. God gives Satan power over this earth and he gives man free will so he allows us to make a choice to fallow him. We are being tested every day on earth. but if you truly want to understand you must first accept Christ as lord and I can assure you it will start to make sense god bless, and I hope you find the answers your looking for✌️

[NewgodX]

I think you need to go through all of my posts here before using that word trashing I never disrespected any religion or believers I am asking straight questions and if someone has a Good answer then I agree you either mistakenly or conveniently missed those,
Regarding test well I am not sure of those test i think all that happens is done by man, and the consequences of those actions. If you feel you are tested good luck for that but I take full responsibility for all my actions God has no part in it

[TheGuyInJs]

I apologize for the ignorant verbiage

[NewgodX]

That's OK

[Waldoe]

maybe ants believe in "Ant Heaven" have you asked an Ant? Maybe humans are so egotistical that they think that God only love them... maybe God loves gophers more... Maybe Humans were put here to cultivate the plants and tend Gods Garden, Maybe God prefers a Pine Tree to a Beautiful Woman... No one KNOWS God

[NewgodX]

Well it would be interesting to find out whether ants belive in ant heaven, no I never got any answers from ants I do accept that, regarding humans and ego well I think intelligent beings do have ego and that's pretty clear if a alien super intelligent race comes to earth for them we will be just like ants who belive in a ant heaven

[ChefPapiChulo]

God is faith based logic. All your questions can be easily answered. It was in his plan to have things go that way. Literally that's it. You trying to understand from a deities point of view is foolish.

And this talk of Secret Message? that's insane, what does that even mean?

[NewgodX]

I got the answer to your question
God created everything so God created me too and its coz of that I am like that , also meaning that I am doing what either God wants me to do or coz I am flawed both ways its actually God's fault not mine..
And the secret message of the creator for all creations that's exactly what I am trying to find out coz all the other messages are just a compilation of stories with good morale but less proof and sometimes poor logic,

I belive that the real message of the creator is secret and we didn't find it yet or maybe we are looking for the wrong thing

[ChefPapiChulo]

Nonsense

[NewgodX]

Then give me a sensible answer

[Rachelspiks]

There is no "secret message", because God doesn't exist. It's as simple as that.

[NewgodX]

@vejoje dude your post is technically a adv but I don't know you shared your opinion so I guess that should be OK

[BigKevHanma]

Ofc you don’t believe in god🙄😂

[Rachelspiks]

@BigKevHanma That's right, I don't. Why should I? Give me one good reason to.

[BigKevHanma]

No I was saying that checks out because from previous interactions I know you’re an idiot so yea

[Rachelspiks]

@BigKevHanma I'm an idiot? You're the one here who can't even provide a single good reason to believe in your magical sky-fairy!

[NewgodX]

@BigKevHanma why is it that when people can't give logical arguments they sort to name calling or abuse and moreover I am not against God I want to know how true a creator entity can be and since religion gave half baked answers or none in some cases I will need evidence that I can belive to belive in creator entity

[NewgodX]

Magic? Actually there is no real magic as well only people fooling people with tricks the other higher spiritual things well those are chemicals and compounds that normal humans don't know about usually intoxicating ones and when someone is given those an said you will see God now in that intoxicated state of mind what ever mindless hallucinations one gets is presumed to be God and everything else

[Rachelspiks]

@BigKevHanma Come on BigKev, give me a single good reason to believe in your fantasy. Just one. Is that too hard for you?

[Dnice1]

He does exist and he wants us to do his plan of salvation

[NewgodX]

By doing what exactly?

[Dnice1]

Hearing the word (Romans 10:17), Believing the word (John 3:16), Repenting and asking for forgiveness (Acts 3:19), Confess the Jesus is the son of God (Romans 10:9-10), Being Baptized (Acts 2:38) and remaining faithful until Death (Revelations 2:10) look those scriptures up in the bible and read the bible and you'll understand.

[NewgodX]

It's the religious human version of salvation written by a man when he was still alive

[Dnice1]

Clearly you don't believe that God is real. I'm pretty sure you haven't read the bible either and even if had you obviously need to read it again.

[NewgodX]

I was born in a atheist family yes I am atheist my parents died when I was below 18 and my marriage broke too so now all females are banned from my life forever but that's not the point the point Is to not blindly belive something a man wrote when he was still alive about life after one dies
Also not to blame anyone else for all the wrong in one's life but rather take responsibility yourself

[vald9inches]

@Dnice1 Yea let the adults talk here honey and go to the parrots section

[slatyb]

Other religions tell us to do something completely different. There's no way to choose. Mostly people just choose what they were raised with.

[NewgodX]

@vald9inches how do you know she is not an adult?

[NewgodX]

@slatyb but then there are also cases of change of religion so then its technically abandoning one God and beginning to belive another different God, also some people become atheist too

[Dnice1]

@newgodx Oh I am an adult, I'll be 23 in December in fact. I just don't look my age as you can probably tell lol

[NewgodX]

Even if any one is below 18 it does not means their knowledge or mindset is any less than anyone else and ofcourse you are welcome to share your thoughts here

[slatyb]

No one knows the answer to either of those questions. The only thing we know is that prayer doesn’t work. Believers are no more prosperous than skeptics.

[NewgodX]

I agree that religious people are not happier they just have something a entity to blame I being an atheist have just myself to blame but
Whatever happened to me happened to lot of religious people too

[slatyb]

Sometimes shit just happens. The husband of an acquaintance, out for a run, was recently killed by a 15-year-old girl driving underage who acted deliberately, although it's not clear whether she intended to hit him or merely scare him.

[NewgodX]

Yeah it could be just an accident we don't a big gods plan for everything good or bad

[Sonorous]

Does God exist?

^ I don't know. It's not my place to determine that.

What is his Secret Message?

^ I don't know. It's not my place to determine that.

[NewgodX]

Most people don't have much answers and the ones who do don't have convincing ones

[Sonorous]

I believe that this is information we will never be able to understand. Similar to how if ants were somehow sentient, somehow could abstract to high degrees, & somehow could communicate with us, their answers on the origin of the universe would probably sound like it was coming from an ants perspective. But the ant doesn't know any better. Its brain is limited & it's still a slave to evolution. They, like we, have adapted to survive in an environment. Not to understand the totality of the universe. So that's why there are so many conflicting viewpoints.

[NewgodX]

I agree to that info can be different to different races and since they don't have the same question they might not have the same answers
I mean i would totally understand if a ant would ask me what is God?