God: Real or Fake?

[supercutebutt]

Real or Fake? VOTE!

God is FAKE!

God is REAL!

[Babygirl_S]

I don't believe in God. Look at all the bad people getting away with what they do. Also there is no proof. I completely lost faith when I saw a guy who used to bully everyone become a paediatrician while the ones he bullied are unemployed. He also looks better than them. Where is God? He wouldn't have let this happen if he existed.
There are plenty of such examples. Look at the poor people who live a life of toil. They never get to enjoy the same facilities as those with black money who are usually extremely rich.
God is a concept created by people to feel strong during weak moments. The idea of a higher power makes sense to so many who would feel lost without it.
The only thing prayer can do is make you feel more peaceful. This can be achieved by meditation instead. Prayer won't get things done for you. You will have to take action. Even that action may not lead to a desirable outcome. That is how uncertain life is. Even karma is not real.
The only reason people believe in God is because the thought of being on their own scares them.
I have accepted this fact. I have never believed in idolatry and now I am an atheist.
I may believe again if I see any sign of his existence like if the evil people get punished while the good ones get rewarded. That is not very likely to happen.
There is a Hindu goddess called Lakshmi (the goddess of wealth, beauty, fortune etc.). It's not like if you worship her then you'll become very lucky, prosperous etc. One can try this with any god/goddess. So many Indians worship her but India is still not wealthy. The ones whose ancestors colonised several countries are living a better life. It is because of their actions. They mercilessly looted the innocent rich countries in the past. Their colonies are suffering and considered "shitholes" now.
Many criminals also don't get convicted. There are thousands of victims of rape, acid attack etc. in India who never get the justice they deserve.
There are many immoral women who have great husbands while the good ones have husbands who beat them up or cheat on them. I have seen so many such examples.
There are plenty of reasons to disbelieve.
It is futile to have blind faith. God is definitely not real. There is no "Supreme Being" watching our actions or guiding us. It sounds terrifying but life is our journey alone and there is survival of the fittest. The most cruel and competitive ones win while the tender and pure ones lose.

[love_conquers_lust]

There is no proof, neither positive or negative that god/God/Gawd exists or doesn’t exist. The question can’t even really graduate into a hypothesis because testing can’t begin with what we know. At best, it’s imaginary, at worst, it’s imaginary. The best people can do is justify their visceral feeling, and it works sometimes. People use it as a tool to push themselves to be better or give hope, which is our legacy. Much rarer, it can push people to be worse, although any of those religions usually have a tiny following because the really devout followers were encouraged to do self-destructive things<-I think some atheists sometimes flirt with this. Agnostics don’t know because they believe we CAN’T know which isn’t necessarily correct either, they believe we’re incapable and always will be, as an absolute. Although they happen to come to the same conclusion as the objective.

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“The absence of evidence is not evidence of being absent”

In my opinion, the truth is not satisfactory. It leaves us spinning our wheels hopping from one foot to the next and it’s no real way to live. It’s no excuse to give up. It’s unsettled. It’s an idea in the back of my mind to be open to but still compartmentalized, likely forever in this lifetime. A spaghetti monster may very well exist, but I have yet to find proof of its existence. But I’m not going to spend inordinate amounts of time spinning my wheels on the question. I’m going to spend most of my time on proven tools I know we have to help people as best I can who I know exist<-philosophers will doubt existence altogether and I think Descartes closed the loop best, you cannot doubt thought because you have to think about that doubt. It helps me sometimes believing that something laid out the universe as this huge puzzle that I get to put together, an answer to “why”.

[savagewolf22]

Lol. I'm just curious.
Why you're tagging only India?

[Kori1236]

I’m not religious so I would say humans created GOD because they needed to believe in a higher purpose. Maybe they misinterpreted something as a god. And if god is real I would imagine he would be like ‘Chuck’ from supernatural; existing but checked out and given up

[chris_987]

You don't like humans so you put that personality trait on God

[Kori1236]

Cool no idea where you got that from but alrighty bud

[love_conquers_lust]

The best minds in history haven’t been able to disprove it. Hawking got pretty dang close with the Big Bang Theory in that at the singularity, time would have stopped/wouldn’t have existed meaning any God wouldn’t have had the time they needed to create the Universe. But still, why?

[supercutebutt]

Proving a negative isn't really a thing. The onus is on the God-believers to prove He exists, not the other way around.

[love_conquers_lust]

Where is the negative evidence? Show me the repeatable experiment I can run that disproves the hypothesis of it.

[Deserter]

Anyone making a claim has the burden, so both sides

[LovingLoverReturned]

@Deserter yes deserter

[kitkills]

The burden of proof lies with those who propose the idea, buddy.

[SamIam96]

The way conservatives describe God. Definitely fake. Like He's an individual making decisions that support their agenda.

Fake. I think.

[LovingLoverReturned]

Nice to see you accept the way non-conservatives describe God, SamLam

[SamIam96]

@LovingLoverReturned I'm not so sure that non-conservatives have the same obsession with God.

[erandal]

To quote "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas Adams.

“I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God “for proof denies faith and without faith I am nothing”.
“But,” says Man, “the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own argument you don’t. QED.”
“Oh, dear”, says God, “I hadn’t thought of that”, and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

I am what you would call agnostic. I do not believe in god as such, but I do believe that there is a lot more to the creation of the universe, and our species than we know about. I do believe that the bible is a work of fiction, there is no way you could write down stories hundreds of years later and get them accurate, but those stories must have come from somewhere.

To go back to that quote above, I want proof, but proof denies faith and without faith god is nothing.

[Anonymous]

Here's the answer, whether people believe it or not one day for people who are so adamant that God does not exist, if everything on earth, in this universe and right down to the atoms in our bodies perfectly all by "chance". Some scientists have said that the big bang where the temperature of the big bang was trillions upon trillions of degrees the likelihood of aligning everything correctly is a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance. Therefore, you need a creator, nothing came before God because time and size don't exist with God, because God is out of our comprehension.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/E8rYc_EN9Wc

[Lickmymeet]

God is definitely real and he still strikes people down so I’d dial back on the whole he doesn’t exist thing

Or maybe you can tell me why spontaneous human combustion happens because nobody else knows or how about those nephilim bones found in Antarctica and the salmon River or all those underwater cities or the God particle or dark matter and all anomalies

and Jesus crucifixtion definitely happened the daggers of Megiddo and the holy spear in st. peters basilica in Rome and the catacombs under the vatacian are guarded for a reason they’re still deciphering Dead Sea scrolls (fragments of the bible) found in the judean desert

my point being that there are too many things in this world that have no explanation whatsoever for someone to fully confirm and believe that god doesn’t exist the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

[sunflower00]

There’s is literally no proof of God. There’s so many different religions, different Gods people believed in now and in the past. I think humans naturally want a way to understand the world and use what we know to explain it (such as a creator - someone who created it) because it’s easy to understand and something that people thought of before modern science, something that our small minds come up with to explain the unanswered questions. Religious stories are certainly interesting though.

[Midnight_Kiss]

If a child believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny or the tooth fairy do you tell them their fake or are they real as long as they believe?

The validity of god (or Allah) isn't about what EVERYONE believes, its having personal beliefs what or who YOU believe in, just as the validity of evolution is a personal belief

[ChefPapiChulo]

thats not the correct question. there have been people worshiping religion as long as history has been around, and people have been denying it just as long.

it's not whether or not its real, but its a basic human need some people have and others don't. that is the answer.

[supercutebutt]

So God only exists in the human mind?

[ChefPapiChulo]

well yeah, just like everything else. you ever hear of "cogito ergo sum"? I think therefore i am? because we exist, we create our own realities which is not like any other animal on earth.

[supercutebutt]

There is the Sasquatch, don't forget. They do it, too.

[ChefPapiChulo]

there could be one or maybe there isn't one. i think it would be important to define what a sasquatch is tho but its most a mythology creature like the lockless monster. theyre just things that people imagine and create because people have the need to be creative.

just look at some of the best art influenced by god, which is an example of humans wanting and needing to be creative.

so when you're asking does god exist? or does the sasquatch exist? the answer is, it doesn't really matter.

[OddBeMe]

Most likely faked by humans afraid of dying. Religions and previous ideas of god (whom we see as idiotic) would be the main evidence. Though it could never fully disprove god’s existence.

And thats kinda the biggest prob: any idea that can’t be conceivably proven wrong is illogical.

[Vesuvius87]

God is whatever you place your imagination on. After all the mind can do so much. However, I'll respect your beliefs if you do me a favor and respect my lack of beliefs. Don't try to convert me and I'm cool with you.

[Stoner710]

I’m agnostic so I’m not sure. I will say if order for our constitutional system to work the majority of the American population have to believe in God otherwise constitutional system doesn’t make sense

[AndrésC64]

First of all, agnostic is not a third option between theist and atheist. On either believes or one does not. Second, the god of the Bible is absolutely 100% irrelevant to the Constitution.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 no the Bible is 100% relevant to the constitution you cannot have the constitution without the Bible the constitution would never have been written if it wasn’t for the Bible. The idea of unalienable rights come form the belief in god and the Bible.

Also I’m not going to agree with atheism because it a guarantee that there is no proof in god, but the Christian believe there is a guarantee there is a god non of them can prove anything I don’t believe god doesn’t exist and I don’t believe god does exist. I believe it’s possible god can exist and I believe god can not exists. Because I don't know if god exist or not so I don’t believe atheist or religious folks

[AndrésC64]

Neither God nor the Bible are mentioned anywhere in the Constitution. In fact, the Constitution was intended to separate religion and the government.

You said you don't believe in God. That makes you an atheist. Thank you very much.

[AndrésC64]

1) Make a list of each and every god in which you believe.
2) Count the number of gods on your list.

If N >= 1, then you are a theist
If N = 0, then you are an atheist

There are no other possibilities.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 OK wallpaper talking about a list of possibilities are much god or goddesses may exist. Are I’ma start with Greek
Nike Athena Aphrodite Zeus Hera Apollo Aries Poseidon
Hindu because I don’t know many Hindu gods let’s go with Bathsheba
I can’t list every single God in the universe I don’t know if they’re correct or not am I to disprove they’re not correct or not again atheist believe that all them are wrong Christians believe that there is only one God in the Christian God how do I know which one is right and which one is wrong I have no idea this is why am agnostic because I have no idea. I understand that the constitution was built on you Dale Christian ethics therefore the Bible has 100% influence on the constitution of the United States beyond that I can tell you of God‘s real not real and why is it for me decide as American you have to believe gods real otherwise the constitution doesn’t make sense humans are religious by nature and one of the few non-humans on earth because I have no idea I’m not religious by nature

[AndrésC64]

You don't have to know every single God ever proposed and you don't have to prove that any God doesn't exist. The only thing it takes for you to be an atheist is to not believe in god (s).

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 OK well how about this I have no idea if any God exists I have no idea of any god does not exist the thing that takes me to agnostic is I have no fucking clue where is the proof on anything I don’t believe God doesn’t exist and I don’t believe God does not exist I’ll believe there are not multiple goddesses or gods so where the fuck does that leave me agnostic because I have no fucking clue explain to me why I should be Christian and explain to me why I should be atheist I mean the Christian argument is a lot more logical than the atheist argument what is moral come from? Without going into moral relativism. Morals are irrelevant if you were an atheist why should I not rob the convenient store if I’m Nadias God doesn’t care that doesn’t exist I shouldn’t I rob them. Oh wait I will be putting Joe because America is based on Christian governments are based on religion or morality is based on religion even Richard Dawkins can’t argue against us. So this is when we get to into the marquee the Saad’s argument elation a rape woman because I want to have sex with her, oh wait there’s no morality so for my own beneficial interest win a rap her. Atheist can’t logically condemn this attitude without bringing up some sort of morality that was based in religion.

[AndrésC64]

If you do not believe in any gods, then you are by definition and atheist. Period.

In the morality has nothing I either to do with religion. The reason I don't kill people is because we are a social species. Everyone understands that our society works better when we work together. I don't want someone killing me so I understand that they wouldn't want me killing them. I don't want someone stealing my stuff so I don't steal theirs. It's called empathy. If you don't understand the difference between right and wrong, you lack empathy, not religion.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 OK that makes absolutely no fucking sense. Again read the Marquis de Sade. Fuck Ayn Rand Even saying you’re harassing Richard Dawkins doesn’t make sense. Why because they all believe that atheism was originally based in religion so we can take that religions believe in any great in Roman society. The Marquis de Sade basically suggested that if you were to atheist morality is completely irrelevant there is no such thing. Why should I not dressed up as a police officer to rest beautiful woman and drive them to my house to have sex with him oh wait that’s considered rape in a religious society what were living in by the way. Ayn Rand Richard Dawkins and Samuel Harris declares these things as wrong why are they wrong? Why shouldn’t we rare each other like monkeys do? Why should a woman want to consent to me putting my dick inside her consent or not? This is the conclusion of the real atheist the Marquis de Sade everyone else has their basic agnostic beliefs in the Judeo Christian ethiic. Trust me look up his writing compared to the others and he comes to the best conclusion of true atheism who fucking cares finally get a rich and enslaved the backs of the poor not paying anything other than human food water and some shelter so that hurts me why is that wrong why should people work for their own labor? This is the logical conclusion True atheism fuck your benefits I live for myself and to control you at the same time make your life miserable for the benefit of myself this is the true tenant of atheism

[AndrésC64]

"Atheism is based in religion," What? Atheism is nothing more than not believing in god (s).

I don't care what Ayn Rand, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, the Marquis De Sade or anyone else said. I am not them. Maybe you missed that. You were attempting the logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority.

I'm glad you mentioned monkeys. Because monkeys are a social animals too, and even they have their own set of morals. They understand what is fair and what isn't. Try using the Google.

The "real atheist" the Marquis De Sade? That's another logical fallacy known as the No True Scotsman fallacy.

You apparently have no idea what atheism is. It's not about being able to prove that no gods exist. It's not about saying "fuck you" to everyone else. It is about one thing, and one thing only. The lack of a belief in god (s)

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 religion is based in the definitely believe in something atheist have the definitely that God does not exist this makes atheism a religion. The only true non-religion is agnosticism because we admit we have no idea we have no guarantees in our radiology atheism has a guarantee but there is no job what makes atheism itself a religion. But again you have no proof that God does not exist therefore you have no actual reason to do you believe in the nonexistent you put your faith in the idea God does not exist. This in fact does make atheism a religion. One of the definitions of religion is “ a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance” atheist subscribe to the supreme importance that God does not exist which does make atheism a religion.

In terms of morality you have no basis in morality you basically should be acting like the Marquis de Sade Sam Harris and Iran and Richard Dawkins all got their beliefs of morality from Christianity and western Judeo Christian belief system. The marquis is subjected all morality because if God not does not exist then there is no such thing as morality why should I not murder somebody in order to get the cash in their wallet it benefits me to do so it does not benefit me to go to prison for robbing somebody the idea that that is illegal concert from the seventh commandment in the Bible dial shall not steal otherwise nobody would think that stealing is wrong it doesn’t make sense to believe that stealing is wrong at the same time it doesn’t make sense to believe that murder is wrong without the basis of religion and makes absolutely no sense this is when you get into the moral relativism argument like I’ve said. Read your fellow area scholars and see what they have to say on the subject

[AndrésC64]

Again, you have no idea what atheism is or what you are talking about. Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 atheist say god doesn’t exist right? It take faith no believe god exist and it take faith that god doesn’t exist there for atheism is a religion. You live your life based on your believe that God does not exist it is a religion.

[AndrésC64]

No. Atheist do not believe in the existence of God. There is a difference.

[AndrésC64]

It takes me no more faith to not believe in your God than it takes you to not believe in Zeus or the Easter Bunny.

[AndrésC64]

(A) Theism is about belief.
Let me try to explain this to you. A theist is someone who believes in god (s). An atheist is someone who does not believe in god (s). Atheism is essentially nothing more than saying "I don't believe you" to someone who claims that god (s) exist. Anything beyond that is not part of atheism. As an analogy, you could call me an A-ETist or an A-Multiverse-ist. I am not claiming that there is no alien life and I am not claiming that the multiverse is not real. I simply do not believe in them as I not in convinced by the evidence.

(A) Gnosticism is about knowledge.
Personally, I think agnostic is a useless word. IMHO, everyone in the world is agnostic. Anyone that claims to know weather gods exist one way or the other is a liar or deluded. I am an agnostic atheist. I am not so arrogant as to claim that I could know one way or the other, so I am agnostic. I do not know or claim to know. I am an atheist because I do not believe.

There's a big difference between saying "I don't believe you." and "I think you are wrong." In a court of law, the jury does not declare the defendant "innocent". They are saying that the prosecution has not convinced them/ met their burden of proof them that the defendant is guilty.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 humans are religious by nature, you can’t have a society based on non religious belief, because atheist say “i don’t believe you’” or there is no god has no proof that there isn’t a god. Therefore atheism is ridiculous because there is no proof at the same time religion or theism is ridiculous because there is absolutely no proof. I don’t believe there is a god because I have no proof but at the same time I don’t believe there isn’t a god because I have no proof. Every atheist I’ve talked to say they have proof god doesn’t exist and so there argument falls flat and in non sense. The same logic applies to theist because there is not proof.

But again you can’t have a society that doesn’t believe in one or the other. Either you have a communistic society where god doesn’t exist or a theocratic society where god exist. We know which society has succeeded in the long run. An atheist society has no moral bases for its morality and religious society has justification for its beliefs. If there is no god there we might as well live like the Marquis de Sade. the philosophy of the Marquis De Sade can be summed up as: morality is bullshit, but if it wasn’t, you should do bad things because those will lead you to experience the most joy and pleasure in life. This is the logical conclusion of atheism

[AndrésC64]

Wow. You are absolutely off the rails. Now you're trying to drag politics into it. This is getting boring. I'm going to say this and if you don't understand it, I'm done. "I don't know" is not any kind of an answer to a question of belief, unless you think that it's possible that you do believe in Zeus but you aren't aware of it. Belief is binary. Either one does believe or one doesn't. You cannot say "I don't know."

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 it is possible I believe in Zeus it is possible I don’t believe in Zeus. It’s possible he exist. I believe anything is possible. Remember Carl Sagan said there are an infinite possibilities. I believe there are and infinite possibilities

[AndrésC64]

So you think it's possible that you believe in Santa Claus but you aren't aware of it? Wow. Talk about clueless.

[AndrésC64]

@Stoner710 "Say I don't know one more time! I dare you. I double dare you."

"I DON'T KNOW" is not a possible answer for a question of belief. Believe is a binary proposition. Either you DO BELIEVE in something, or you DO NOT believe. That is a basic element of logic. Things are what they are and they, are not what they are not.

[Stoner710]

@AndrésC64 fine I believe some sorta of higher power exists. It’s possible that a hire power doesn’t exist. Now your going to tell me that I have to disbelieve in evolution and the earth is billions of years old. That’s the agreement is use to dealing with. Why can’t some sort of higher power not use those as tools. Most religious beliefs don’t make sense but either does atheism only one that makes any kind of sense is the Christian beliefs I left because they didn’t have answer to a lot of question that aren’t bullshit just like atheist so fuck it guess I’m forming my own church then.

[AndrésC64]

You just like throwing shit at the wall and seeing if something will stick. Now you're bringing evolution into the picture.

I'm done with you. Goodbye.

[Changiis07]

Who made us if he is fake? He is very real and we feel him through the Holy Spirt

[supercutebutt]

Maybe Satan made us? I don't know. Don't ask me. I do the asking, not the answering.

[Changiis07]

No because Satan only comes to steal, kill and destroy

[supercutebutt]

I get it. Kinda like how Donald Trump claims he is a proud patriot sent by God but in reality started a violent insurrection that tried to steal an election, kill Mike Pence and Capitol police and destroy democracy, all based on sinful lies.

[Changiis07]

More like the democrat party is doing all the lying. Trump was actually helping America

[supercutebutt]

Democrats chanted that they wanted to hang Mike Pence? Democrats wanted to throw out my vote in the 2020 election because Trump said my vote shouldn't count? Post your evidence!

[AndrésC64]

Who said we were made? Who said that however we came to be had to be a being? Who said that that being had to be a god? Who said that that God had to be your God? You have a lot of questions to answer

[LeeannaDD]

Sometimes i wonder how we got to where we are as species, then i remember half of us beleive 3000 year old myths and superstitions and it all makes sense...

[Wraven]

As much as i don't like weighing in on other peoples hopes, believe what makes your feel good, that's all that matters, just don't try convincing others that what you believe should be what they need to believe. Or I'll give you some choice words.

[Guy13]

Must we continually work through these God Proofs grounded in Reason and Analytical Argument back to the First Cause, Creator. I mean Aristotle has already done this for us...

[FreyaRed]

As agnostic I tend to think god is fake news but I would be positively surprised if any evidence for god's existence had been found.

[yourpalval]

Can't really prove it one way or the other. I don't follow any religion but I can't rejects gods as an idea, like if there is one it's probably one unaccounted for in any existing religion

[Guy__]

As real as you are. It's just that a talking peach named butt as depicted isn't the real you.

[supercutebutt]

I am a hot butt who can type. Believe it.

[BigManUnderground]

@supercutebutt I definitely believe you have a Hot Butt
Just Reading What you Said about your Butt made me Rock Hard

[Friendlybro79]

Don't know. Faith is the feeling of just knowing. Science, although not perfect, tries to show evidence that can be proven.

You can believe what you want but you do not actually know if he's real but science can't prove he isn't.

[exitseven]

The whole idea is that you have to have faith.

[supercutebutt]

Blind faith?

[exitseven]

I think that you could certainly describe it as that. I always thought of myself as a man of science but the older I get I just call myself confused.

[supercutebutt]

I will not argue with your self-assessment. :)

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

The question is irrelevant. If you follow the teachings of a religion or spirituality, at least you’ll not be making the world worse. The issue isn’t what happens after you die; it is what happens after you act.

[Dargil]

Real to me and that's the only thing that matters.