I am Agnostic-atheist. As in, I personally don't believe in God or a higher power, but I'm not going to state that as if it's a fact or tell other people what to believe or not.
I just think, if there IS a higher power, then humans are far too stupid and undeveloped to ever know what that is, and possibly could never know what that is. How can we not know the exact age of the universe and how large the observable universe is, but know what created it, down to the name and appearance? It makes no sense.
Not to mention, assuming the higher power is Yahweh and He did actually come to Earth and speak to Moses, it is VERY likely the original message has been lost, distorted, or misremembered over time. No one likely would even be able to keep track what God originally said, assuming if even that was true.
Even this isn't a thing.
Not to mention, how so many things in human history are consistent throughout cultures across entire oceans (such as the myth of dragons, or agriculture, or artwork and cave paintings), yet the Creator of All is among the least consistent thing from the ancient world. You'd think if God - or any other religions - were real, that He would have spoken to all cultures equally and that Christianity - or any other religion - wouldn't be isolated to one small part of the world and only spread across through colonialization and re-education of enslaved cultures and civilizations.
It's just all too inconsistent and non-sensical for me to ever believe in a higher power. But it'd also be extremely arrogant and foolish for me to assume my belief is the "correct one," as well. What I believe doesn't have to be what anyone else believes.
But yes, I'm agnostic and have been since age eleven.
Yeshua ain't Chinese, Japanese, African, European, Korean, American, or Indian. As He was born in what now is Palestine, an Arabic country, I reckon You can call Yeshua that, but He looked nothing like that picture of Arabic Jesus, historians say.
Depending on who you ask, agnostic and atheistic might not be exclusive. Some people call themselves "agnostic atheists" -- they don't have sufficient reason to believe there is a God, but don't think it's outright impossible.
I just call myself an atheist and be done with it. I don't think any of the world's religions are correct, and the concept of a "higher power" is so vague that it's practically meaningless. It's like asking someone if they believe something is outside their door.
Quote: Some people call themselves "agnostic atheists" -- they don't have sufficient reason to believe there is a God, but don't think it's outright impossible.
This is a religious interpretation or definition of what this means and as usual it is extremely misleading.
This whole can of worms is actually just a creation of our slightly wonky and inaccurate language.
This is how it starts: Atheist 'I don't believe', Theist 'I believe' and then crucially Agnostic 'I don't KNOW' this should not infact mean anything but because of the way language is commonly used phrase becomes distorted by theists as they don't have any arguments of substance, all of their creations are things like this, word play and so they zero in on it and suddenly this entire conversation becomes something different because NO ONE KNOWS.
When an atheist says there is no God, what they are rejecting are the claims made by theists, there is no requirement to vanish any and all possibility of an entity which might fit some sort of description of a God because the burden of proof is on the claimant and that is the theist.
When a theist claims there is a God, much more often than not, they are infact claiming to know the unknowable.
But to get back to the definition you presented; they don't have sufficient reason to believe there is a God, but don't think it's outright impossible. This isn't the situation at all. This almost sounds as though atheists want to believe in God, they certainly acknowledge that it is a possibility, they just can't quite get themselves over the line.
The reality of the position is that the ONLY reason why atheists are not claiming that there are no Gods is because you cannot prove a negative, but the position is hard up against the wall. It is for example MUCH, MUCH more likely that we are living in a computer simulation and or that if you were to travel far enough you meet a copy of yourself. These extreme concepts are by comparisson considered to be near certainities next to the staggeringly unlikely idea that there is a God.
Theists frequently attempt this sort of dishonesty, they like to try to pretend their position is much stronger than it actually is.
The fact is that there is not now nor has there ever been a single shred of evidence to support the extrordinary claims made by any religion.
@Guffrus This is my understanding, which is why I just default to "atheist" and suggest to anybody having a conversion that they be specific about what they believe instead of relying solely on their label.
To your second comment about the definition involving lack of evidence: that IS true, but you aren't wrong about the impression that might give. That's me trying to be transparent and concise. I could also say that I don't believe because I have no reason to, but this makes it sound like I just don't "need" God in my life, which immediately invites preaching. If you have a good way of explaining it in a single sentence, I'm all ears.
I am probably closer to being an actual agnostic than an atheist. I can't offer proof that god exists or doesn't or even want god is. The basic idea of God is probably very off (which is something atheists always point at as well as all the logical errors in the book) but the reason why religion exists, I think is a pretty valid reason why to believe. That, outside a evolutionary perspective, would be more of a personal revelation or something for an individual (its an emotional reason but it's not something you can change a person's mind on).
My preference would be to live as if good god exists, even if that's untrue.
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I didn't vote in the poll because neither option really describes me. I believe there had to be some kind of intelligent design involved in creating the universe and life, so I'm not really an atheist. But I certainly don't believe there is some silent god up in the sky looking down on all of us and judging our behavior and expecting us to follow the ten commandments or we will go to hell. I don't believe a god would have given me a brain with intelligence and the ability to use reason and logic, and then expected me to not use it and just blindly believe in him without giving me some valid reasons to. My logic and reason tell me otherwise, so why would he have given it to me then? If a god exists and he expects people to believe in him, he could easily give us a sign that makes it a little easier to believe he exists. As it is, the world has shown no sign a god exists aside from the fact that the world exists.
I’m what I call a “doubtful agnostic.” Kind of “atheist unless proven otherwise”, but I leave room for new information, because how the hell can I or any other human just know anything like that for certain? If any God out there is real, they should know I’m open to anything, but like anything else, I need indisputable proof to buy in, I don’t do “leaps of faith.”
Would you ever change your beliefs in a cheerful way, maybe to settle on being 'somewhat spiritual' like astrology for entertainment value sakes, or even those religions like flying spaghetti Monster, teapot in space, invisible pink unicorn, even Satan or Other? 😋👀
@Looksnicholas Umm, I'm not sure. I do find it interesting to listen to people talk about astrology, but I don't think I can force myself to believe in something.. I really wanted to believe in the afterlife, I think it would be so comforting.
This is missing the point. It's like if someone explains thousands of pages of a book about nuclear energy like a legit science book and then at the end they say "and scientists maybe one day can use nuclear fission instead of fusion to create a revolution in energy consumption worldwide" and then you think throw the whole book out because that's unlikely and speculation.
So yeah maybe you think the idea God impregnated a woman is weird like what is that? And so what? That has nothing to do with anything honestly. And if you read the Bible in its entirety you would know that.
As in the burden of proof is on those who claim something to be real. For example would you just believe that I am god if I said so? No you wouldn't. Just the same way someone telling you gorgons exist or dragons you would require proof. Therefore I am either required to show you that proof or I'm just wrong/lying.
To just believe I may be telling the truth without any proof you might as well just forget reality and believe everything people tell you. So let's say a person tells you god exists would you just believe they are telling the truth? Because if you do or think maybe they are. Then it's not different to someone saying I was abducted by aliens or I saw bigfoot. And if agnostic starts to think that way they will just think yeah maybe to everything which is ridiculous. Because it's obvious that people lie and without proof there is no logical reason to think these things exist.
Yeah, that didn’t really explain the statement you made. What is it about the agnostics position the shows they don’t understand the burden of proof when their position is they don’t believe there is enough proof to make a decision? Are you saying they are the ones with the burden of proof?
@UCrayCray It did. If you didn't understand then there is nothing much more than I can do as I would just have to repeat what I already said. It's a very simple concept of if you want to claim something exists prove it. Otherwise we might as well start saying Leprechaun might exist just because someone said they do.
But…. agnostics don’t claim a god exists. Nor do they claim that one doesn’t. I’m trying to understand what burden of proof you believe they have when they don’t make a solid claim either way.
@UCrayCray They claim he might exist because they can't prove he don't exist. Which is bullshit because then I say by that logic we cannot disprove Lepechauns so they might exist. And basically anything can by this logic. I seriously don't get how your not understanding this.
Even as I say my point it just reminds how dumb the logic agnostics use. I can just say I am god and they would have to say welp I can't disprove you aren't so you might be. It makes zero sense and is highly gullible.
@UCrayCray That I ain't maybe god just because I say I am. And god don't just maybe exist because other people say he does. It's the whole point of proof in the first place. Otherwise again you would just have to say "Well yeah maybe that does exist." to anything people say to you. If you still don't understand, I can't say anything more cause I am just repeating myself here.
@UCrayCray Evidence can be found without it needing to be right in front of your face but basically yes. If you cannot see the evidence of it yet someone say's it true you shouldn't just think well they could be right but maybe not. You should auto-assume they are wrong unless they can provide evidence or you can find evidence. Because that is the whole point of evidence.
It's the same way you wouldn't just trust anybody you meet because they could telling the truth you have to assume they are not trustworthy until you know them.
And you think the agnostic position is “well, if you say it’s possible then it must be” without anything else contributing to their position? That’s an incredibly simplistic way to look at it.
@UCrayCray Not it must be but they can't decide if it's true or not on their own accord through a thing called proof. If one cannot present proof of a thing existing. You shouldn't then think, it could exist though. You should think it can't exist until proven. That's again the point of proof.
And it is simple way to look at because shockingly proof of something existing is very simple. It don't involve random nonsensical beliefs. It involves a clear cut and dry of we have evidence to support this or we don't. If it's a don't, it's very simple to say it don't exist. If you want to argue it might exist then once again what's to stop one saying Leprechauns might exist. At that point your basing nothing on reality but dumbass mythical speculation.
“You should think….” Ahh…. I see the problem now. Your way of thinking is the only right way of thinking. Black and white. No grey area. “You should think…” Fuck, that’s funny
@UCrayCray Yeah it is funny you think Leprechauns migh exist some sound logic you have. Guess giant spaghetti monsters may also exist wow some smart cookie you figured it out that everything just may exist, and there is no way to tell reality from fiction because that thing called proof don't matter. Honestly your such a troll or a really delusional.
I believe in the governments authority who can dictate what rights humans have perfectly morally because they're a higher power than I am. I am theistic and will kill my own son for money.
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