Do you believe in this part of quran? yes or no?

[strateguy632]

did you know? even according to islam and quran "christians go to heaven with no worry."

top line u'il'nasre christians despite different

Christianity is the ONLY one of Abraham religions that is supported by the other two.

judaism fasting on day atonement, but not supported by other two to do that.

islam fasted ramadan but not supported by other 2.

christian is faith, supported EVEN by quran in book or chapter sura bakara. 2,62.

... and in jew talmud that isaiah 53 is about messia dying for sins and revived to live long. supported Christian faith about messiah.

[Al_Musafir]

Cherry picking verses and reading Qur'an without tafseer doesn't help in anyway... a practice nevertheless very common among Christians and Jews who attempt to justify there claims. No worries, I'll bust your delusions by quoting what's written ahead.

2.63 And ˹remember˺ when We took a covenant from you and raised the mountain above you ˹saying˺, “Hold firmly to that ˹Scripture˺ which We have given you and observe its teachings so perhaps you will become mindful ˹of Allah˺.”

2.64 Yet you turned away afterwards. Had it not been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, you would have certainly been of the losers.

[Al_Musafir]

And from tafseer ibn Kathir, I'll debunk the terms as well.

After Allah described the condition - and punishment - of those who defy His commands, fall into His prohibitions and transgress set limits by committing prohibited acts, He stated that the earlier nations who were righteous and obedient received the rewards for their good deeds. This shall be the case, until the Day of Judgment. Therefore, whoever follows the unlettered Messenger and Prophet shall acquire eternal happiness and shall neither fear from what will happen in the future nor become sad for what has been lost in the past.

The Meaning of Mu'min, or Believer
`Ali bin Abi Talhah narrated from Ibn `Abbas, about,

إِنَّ الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَالَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَالنَّصَـرَى وَالصَّـبِئِينَ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الاٌّخِرِ
(Verily, those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day) that Allah revealed the following Ayah afterwards,

وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الإِسْلَـمِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِى الاٌّخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَـسِرِينَ
(And whoever seeks religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers) (3:85).

This statement by Ibn `Abbas indicates that Allah does not accept any deed or work from anyone, unless it conforms to the Law of Muhammad that is, after Allah sent Muhammad. Before that, every person who followed the guidance of his own Prophet was on the correct path, following the correct guidance and was saved.

[Al_Musafir]

why the christians were called nasara
مَنْ أَنصَارِى إِلَى اللَّهِ قَالَ الْحَوَارِيُّونَ نَحْنُ أَنْصَارُ اللَّهِ
("Who will be my helpers in Allah's cause" Al-Hawariyyun said: "We are the helpers of Allah.") (61:14)

It was said that they were called `Nasara', because they inhabited a land called An-Nasirah (Nazareth), as Qatadah, Ibn Jurayj and Ibn `Abbas were reported to have said, Allah knows best. Nasara is certainly plural for Nasran.

When Allah sent Muhammad as the Last and Final Prophet and Messenger to all of the Children of Adam, mankind was required to believe in him, obey him and refrain from what he prohibited them; those who do this are true believers. The Ummah of Muhammad was called `Mu'minin' (believers), because of the depth of their faith and certainty, and because they believe in all of the previous Prophets and matters of the Unseen.

[Al_Musafir]

The Sabi'un or Sabians
There is a difference of opinion over the identity of the Sabians. Sufyan Ath-Thawri said that Layth bin Abu Sulaym said that Mujahid said that, "The Sabians are between the Majus, the Jews and the Christians. They do not have a specific religion." Similar is reported from Ibn Abi Najih. Similar statements were attributed to `Ata' and Sa`id bin Jubayr. They (others) say that the Sabians are a sect among the People of the Book who used to read the Zabur (Psalms), others say that they are a people who worshipped the angels or the stars. It appears that the closest opinion to the truth, and Allah knows best, is Mujahid's statement and those who agree with him like Wahb bin Munabbih, that the Sabians are neither Jews nor Christians nor Majus nor polytheists. Rather, they did not have a specific religion that they followed and enforced, because they remained living according to their Fitrah (instinctual nature). This is why the idolators used to call whoever embraced Islam a `Sabi', meaning, that he abandoned all religions that existed on the earth. Some scholars stated that the Sabians are those who never received a message by any Prophet. And Allah knows best.

[loveslongnails]

Feel better? That went a long way to convince anyone of anything other than you can quote your book. Big deal.

[Al_Musafir]

@loveslongnails I did my part. If they can't understand it properly, it's on them.

[loveslongnails]

Christ said the same thing.

[Al_Musafir]

@loveslongnails yet his message was corrupted by the people who claimed to follow him. How many versions of bible exist, again?

[loveslongnails]

So is Islam corrupted by some of its followers, i. e. the Taliban currently and others throughout history. I don't care. I'm not going to debate religion with you, and certainly not these two. As your dude says, peace be with you. I'm out of this conversation.

[Al_Musafir]

@loveslongnails the authentic scriptures stay intact unlike scriptures of any other religions. People however, going astray or staying on the path of truth (Islam). Muslims can be wrong. Islam, never.

[strateguy632]

@al_musafir if you don't believe this part then YOU are picking and choosing!

[Al_Musafir]

@strateguy632 I literally elaborated the later verses and the tafseer of the verses in consideration. Educate yourself.

[loveslongnails]

Spoken like a true fanatic.

[Al_Musafir]

@loveslongnails well of course. Truth when presented in the most raw form often seems fanaticism to those who don't want to accept. Irrelevant nevertheless.

[loveslongnails]

You're just proving my point. This is your belief... it's a "belief". Yes, irrelevant to my belief. Good night. I'm done.

[Al_Musafir]

@loveslongnails whatever helps you feel better. You still can't change the truth though. Hope you sleep well.

[AmeerX]

Tafsir is a man's work. Read Quran word for word please. It's the reason why Muslims have lost touch with God. At least, I know my heart doesn't believe a lot of things said in Tafsir.
For my I can believe Quran but never Tafsir and Hadith

www.alim.org/.../?hadith=6805&sq=

Here is one reason. This is Bukhari writing 235 years later. Why original Muslims didn't write Hadith is beyond me.

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX tafsir is indeed a man's work but depending on the scholar, we can get close enough to understanding the verse that was laid down with context and the things we can learn from it. Lot of times, context is necessary (just like in the question here) so that there's nothing left to vague guesses and speculations of those who aren't learned enough.

[AmeerX]

Tell me, does one need the same for Bible? Or the old testament?
The use tafsir is just wishful thinking of people of later times. Context? What context, does it mean Quran is not complete? I myself don't believe it but you believe it and it's strange

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX Qur'an is indeed complete in it's entirety but one can't inherit the knowledge by default without knowing about the conditions, situations and the time when a verse was revealed. For example, people do confused with the verse 'And we made you in pairs' that it always only implies with couples in marriage while it certainly is not limited to it! That's the difference. It's not wishful thinking, it's taking the context of verses and avoiding the possibilities of missing out on the correct interpretation even if translated correctly. Doesn't mean that just because you don't believe in it, it isn't supposed to be your way.

[AmeerX]

Oh I believe it alright. I just don't believe Tafsir. That's devil's work

[AmeerX]

And since you didn't read the link to open your eyes, I guess we have nothing to speak

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX prove that it is devil's work. The link you shared was irrelevant to the context. Just something related to sadqa jariya.

[AmeerX]

Now I know you are trolling here. That link didn't say Sadqa Jariya. It's not Sadqa Jariya to cut off hands, legs and put hot red iron rods and poke eyes of people.

[AmeerX]

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6805

[AmeerX]

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

A group of people from `Ukl (or `Uraina) tribe ----but I think he said that they were from `Ukl came to Medina and (they became ill, so) the Prophet (ﷺ) ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) she-camels and told them to go out and drink the camels' urine and milk (as a medicine). So they went and drank it, and when they became healthy, they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This news reached the Prophet (ﷺ) early in the morning, so he sent (some) men in their pursuit and they were captured and brought to the Prophet (ﷺ) before midday. He ordered to cut off their hands and legs and their eyes to be branded with heated iron pieces and they were thrown at Al-Harra, and when they asked for water to drink, they were not given water. (Abu Qilaba said, "Those were the people who committed theft and murder and reverted to disbelief after being believers (Muslims), and fought against Allah and His Apostle").

Just so you don't have to lie about it again

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX yes focus on why it was done it.. from the same part that you posted:

'Abu Qilaba said, "Those were the people who committed theft and murder and reverted to disbelief after being believers (Muslims), and fought against Allah and His Apostle").

[AmeerX]

It's people like you who say stoning to death is in Quran. Don't try to fool others by saying, it's alright. The penalty for murder is death. Hand cuttings for theft.
You're just wasting your time trying to convince others.

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX even the ways of how to pray, how to make wudu, ghusl etc aren't in the Qur'an. What even is your point? You're sounding like one of those delusioned Quranists who desperately want to act smart but utterly fail to.

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX the hadiths go hand in hand as well. Don't forget this fact.

[AmeerX]

Wudu is in Quran 🤣. I knew you would bring it up. Welcome and good bye to you.

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX then quote the ayah that explains how it is to be done. The ayah instructs to purify ourselves and do wudu. Now *How* to do it. Quote it if you can back your claims.

[Al_Musafir]

Not*

[AmeerX]

quran.com/.../6

Now stop acting mature. You have clearly never even read Quran except for a few Jihadi verses and such

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX cool stuff. Still doesn't tell about prayers and ways of performing it from Qur'an. As for 'jihadi' verses, what does your narrow mind interpret it to be?

[AmeerX]

I am done wasting my time with you. So whatever you want with your life. Call all and everyone you disagree with an infidel like you want.

[Al_Musafir]

@AmeerX nothing on prayers? Come on I thought you were standing up to your claims. It's not me who called tafseer writers as devils so no, I don't toss around labelling people like I own them.

[loveslongnails]

It's your truth. The Christians have their truth. The Buddhists have their truth. Haven't you noticed that? Everyone will know in the end. Like I said, I'm out. If you need the last word, have it. I sleep fine.

[Al_Musafir]

@loveslongnails 1+1=2. Doesn't matter from which perspective you see it. No need to be confused or confuse others. With all due respect, there's only one truth. Yes, we have the final testament as the last word. Which will be unchanged till the day of judgement.

[loveslongnails]

LOL Knew you couldn't do it. There are many truths, but of course, yours is THE ONE truth. Good bye now.

[AmeerX]

We don't think Jesus died on Cross. We believe Jesus was saved by God from pain. And not son of God.

And yes, I do believe it. My friend and Mom whom I feel is close to God is one of the people I feel will be in heaven. At least I want her to be with me there :). And a lot of Christians I know are good people and I really wish they enter heaven too. God is Forgiving:)

[AmeerX]

Don't listen to that Guy with Hadith. He is just blindly following a dogma. Give it time, either he will loosen up or become even more angry with age.
As for myself, I believe entirely that Christians will go to heaven, so will Jews. I will give my blood for my Mom. She is my muse and source of inspiration:). I pray for her like my real parents. If she is healed I will completely convert to whatever belief she says.

[laly520]

seems about right

[Saiesh30]

Word of Qur'an is word of God so it is true. It's not fabricated or manipulated.

[Dargil]

The only parts of the Koran I believe are And and The.

[genericname85]

non't care. all lies anyway. i mean the few things that are actual statements and not empty meaningless blathering, are lies. so why bother?

[xnwkwjfir]

Fuck quran. I hope all mosques get attacked soon even by muslims haha.

[Jennz6]

I don’t read Arabic or Latin or Greek?

[laly520]

its in English in bottom

[Jennz6]

@laly520 oops, I didn’t see it sorry

[Jennz6]

Yes but I have to change Allah to GOD

[laly520]

in that context
allah is same as god or yahweh for jews but same

[Jennz6]

@laly520 oh okay