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Why is circumcision so popular in US although majority of the people are christian?

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    "Foreskin is dirty!" "Foreskin increases your risk of STDs!" "Circumcision reduces the risk of penile cancer" "Foreskin makes sex more difficult!" These claims were first introduced in the United States by a man named Johnathan Hutchinson, who promoted circumcision as a method of reducing masturbation and of preventing syphilis. His basis for these claims? A unscientific survey of some Jewish men that he conducted in the 1890s. There have been various attempts to substantiate these claims since, but there have been none that conclusively have shown any measurable benefit of circumcision.


    On February 9, 1870, Dr. Lewis A. Sayre was summoned by a colleague to attempt to remedy paralysis of the legs in a five year old child. While attempting to test the boy's reflexes, the boys nurse exclaimed "Oh, doctor! be very careful - don't touch his pee-pee - it's very sore." and an examination of the penis showed that it was normal except that ""the glans was very small and pointed, tightly imprisoned in the contracted foreskin." This was determined by Dr. Sayer to be the likely cause of the child's paralysis, and rerecorded circumcision. Coincidentally the boy's condition seemed to improve after the procedure. Dr. Sayre wrote about it and carried out the procedure on other boys suffering from paralysis. When a man of Sayre's professional standing insisted that serious orthopedic diseases could be cured by means of a simple circumcision, the medical world listened. This is quite arguably the start of the hysteria surrounding circumcision in the United States.

    Dr. John Harvey Kellogg recommended circumcision of boys caught masturbating in book Plain Facts for Young and Old:

    A remedy for masturbation which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering anesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment." But he was opposed to routine circumcision of infants: "It is doubtful, however, whether as much harm as good does not result from circumcision, since it has been shown by extensive observation among the Jews that very great contraction of the meatus, or external orifice of the urethra, is exceedingly common among them, being undoubtedly the result of the prolonged irritation and subsequent cicatricial contraction resulting from circumcision in infancy.

    If his name rings a bell, its probably because you have Kelloggs cereal in your pantry, and yes its the same Kellogg. He also developed cold cereal to discourage masturbation. And since medicine at the time had more in common with Humorism than modern medicine, any expulsion of bodily fluids in an unnatural way (masturbation to ejaculation included) was thought to cause all kinds of maladies. As late as 1936, circumcision of both males and females was still advocated in pediatric medical textbooks as a way to prevent masturbation. Masturbation frightened parents because doctors said it explained why so many young people were neurotic, disobedient, disrespectful of parental authority, and oversexed.


    In Victorian society, it became the de-facto norm to circumcise male infants, and even some female infants, although the practice of female circumcision was never as prominent as male circumcision. This began circumcision as a status symbol. The rich circumcised their boys, and the poor did not. As health insurance became more prevalent in the growing middle class, families had their sons circumcised to make them fit in with the upper class.


    As the idea that masturbation caused mental illness declined, circumcision was rationalized as a means of preventing cancer. The data used to support this argument came from a study published in 1932. Of the 830 cases of cancer of the penis that he documented in American men between 1925 and 1930, only one was in a Jewish patient, who was not circumcised. While that argument is impressive on the surface, it fails to take into account the fact that Jews represent a very small portion of the population (3% in 1930) and that penile cancer is even rarer than that. Despite its flaws, this study is still being cited today by physicians arguing on the behalf of circumcision at the American Academy of Pediatrics. There have been no further studies to make this link. What did the study determine was the carcinogen? Smegma.


    American's who have never experienced an uncircumcised penis have come to dread what they believe to be omnipresent under foreskins of all uncircumcised males: smegma. The truth is, however that smegma is relatively uncommon, especially in the developed world. As time went by, cleanliness was nonetheless added to the reasons for circumcision. No one debated a man's ability to wash the foreskin and clean off the supposedly carcinogenic smegma, but some physicians recommended universal circumcision as a way to protect certain "unclean" minorities who could not be relied on to wash their penises.


    By the time we get into the second half of the 20th century, circumcision was so common that many people had never seen an uncircumcised penis. Of course, the familiar becomes what is considered to look better. The argument has been made by physicians that circumcision should be done for a purely aesthetic reason. A penis without a foreskin, they said, is more pleasing to the eye, neater and less likely to produce bad odors. One physician, Willard Goodwin, wrote that "circumcision is a beautification comparable to rhinoplasty [a nose job]," and that the circumcised penis "appears in its flaccid state as an erect uncircumcised organ - a beautiful instrument of precise intent."

    The idea that uncircumcised penises are "gross" has been reinforced by the media, often evoked for comic effect. Unfortunately, that may be the only exposure to information about circumcision that a parent gets besides the tri-fold pamphlet at the obstetrician's office.


    While we all know the internet is full of disinformation, I believe it has been one of the larger causes of the decline in circumcision rates the United States has had over the past two decades. No longer do parents have to approach this taboo subject with a doctor who may or may not be pro-circumcision, or talk about this taboo subject with their friends to get information. A simple web search yields a wealth of information on the subject. Some of it horribly biased, of course, but there are a lot of credible sites that tell the truth that circumcision of infants is not necessary, and that it reduce sexual function in the future. While the rates are falling slowly, I anticipate the trend will snowball as a larger portion of the male population is uncircumcised in the future.

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  • strateguy632
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    Because doctors in u. s. want a quick buck... so they promote it while organized medicine warned the cut is immoral... by American medical association and American journal of pediatrics same as medical organizations in 1, Canada, 2, south africa, 3 netherlands 4 australia and more...

    I can't be the only one who noticed the abstract (that should summarize the contents of the study) differed from the article "risks outweigh benefits" while european doctors claim "no benefits." The only real benefit is to doc's pocket!

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      In the netherlands it is not practiced I guess... Only anglosphere countries like Canada new zealand australia uk, usa and south africa practice it...

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    • strateguy632
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      Correct and that is where medical organizations published not to cut. See links...

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    • strateguy632
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      circinfo.org/Dutch_circumcision_policy.html
      Similarly other countries i listed.
      British medical association has official policy 4.2 "when someone asks for circumcision for health benefits, must correct the mistake".

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      So why did you say dutch people also practice it

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      In 1930s the uk's circumcision rate was around %35 then it dropped down same as new zealand

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  • Screenwriter
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    I've heard that in the mid 19th century, physicians encouraged circumcision to stop little boys from masturbating! This is hilarious, and I don't know how that conclusion was derived.

    In addition, I think it was done for cleanliness reasons. It was one of the reasons I did it to my son. His dad was circumcised and I could not imagine myself pulling back his foreskin to clean beneath it when he was younger and needed bathing, and expecting a 5 year old to wash beneath his foreskin when he was old enough to clean himself.

    Little boys are preternaturally dirty.

    I asked my son last year (he's 29) if he was upset that he was circumcised or if he wanted to have his foreskin restored. He burst out laughing and I sighed in relief.

    There is also a higher risk of cervical cancer among women whose partners are uncircumcised. It has to do with that not cleaning thoroughly beneath the foreskin where smegma collects and bacteria proliferate. If a foreskin is tight, this might be a problem.

    So a few issues avoided. I don't hate foreskins, but it seems they're sort of like wisdom teeth. Somewhat inconvenient and not absolutely necessary.

    Removal does not impair orgasm in flapless men and avoids some complications.

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      In turkey literally all of the boys are circumcised! Main reason of circumcision in turkey is Islam religion. But some of my friends are also intactivist like me. In this topic I support europeans

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    • strateguy632
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      A surprise about middle east is: 1, even israel with its circumcision culture and popular claim of health benefits... israel health insurance does not pay for circumcision... because it is not really a "medical treatment ".
      Similarly a few muslims quote "the work of allah is perfect" in quran , referring to infant as perfect so trying to "alter or improve a child by circumcision" is an insult to quran and the product of alla. See links

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    • strateguy632
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      m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=593356459579048

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    • strateguy632
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      jewishbusinessnews.com/.../

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      @strateguy632 In middle east, I heard that even christians (like maronites) some of them practice circumcision too. In middle east it is near universal and it is like a must unfortunately

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    • strateguy632
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      That is why i gave links!

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      @strateguy632 pubmed is definitely a circumcision supporter! In hinduism circumcision for both female and male is forbidden but they keep telling lies about how circumcision reduces the risk of hiv transmission to indian people. And they even accepted it. I think circumcision is barbaric. It needs to stop as soon as possible

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      @strateguy632 they even said that circumcised men feel more pleasure than uncircumcised people I mean cmon💀

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    • Screenwriter
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      @strateguy632 Nope. It's not a medical treatment. It's an optional treatment. It's up to the parents whether they think the practice is worth it. I did it for convenience and because his dad was. It's not harmful. I get that some use religion as a reason to do it or not do it. That wasn't my concern.

      Humans do a lot of things that are not supported by ancient texts and some that are. It doesn't matter much. No supreme being is insulted by actions of peons like us!

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  • CupcakeTheDestroyer
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    It has to do with a massive religious movement in the either late 1800’s or early 1900’s where christians believed that circumcision would prevent masturbation.

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      I heard that also in usa there used to be clitoridectomy for preventing masturbation among women. We are alive now because of sex cmon!

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    • CupcakeTheDestroyer
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      Yes, and christians have no problem with sex while married for the purpose of procreation, but pleasure for pleasure’s sake, such as masturbation, is heavily frowned upon. The belief has obviously lost traction since then but its influence remains in circumcised fathers who want their kid’s junk to look the same as theirs

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    My aunt told me to circumsize my son because it'll be an abomination if I don't. In the Bible it states to circomsize boys so they can have sex and spread their seeds... it's in the bible

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      In African countries since southern africa has high hiv rates, it became near universal among christian communities in africa. I heard that also south koreans circumcise too. Either is the Philippines...

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      But it is not really practiced in Europe. Although european countries are mostly christian they don't do it unless medical reasons. Maybe homosexual men who affected from hiv also do it

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    • LiamS95
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      Please provide the scriptural reference. I've been both ways are far prefer being circumcised and of thd ladies I've been with most but not all ladies prefer it.

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      @LiamS95 r u circumcised?

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    • LiamS95
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      I am now.

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    • Anonymous
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      @LiamS95 Genesis 17:1-14:
      This passage details God's covenant with Abraham and his descendants, where circumcision is established as the physical sign of this covenant. All male members of the household, including slaves, were to be circumcised on the eighth day.

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    • LiamS95
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      Thank you for the reference. Yes that's the old testament which was related to thd Jewish law as it was prior to Christianity. It relates to baptism in the new testament. However I'm now circumcised and prefer it to not being circumcised.

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    • strateguy632
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      @LiamS95 regarding Genesis 17:1-14 quoted or misquoted... it does NOT SAY "abomination " nor the hebrew word for cut nor incision, just a wrong translation there and leveticus 12... and even conflicts the usage of the word in deuteronomy "circumcise your heart" nobody makes incision on heart!

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    • LiamS95
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      @strateguy632 no it refers to the cutting off of the flesh in other words sin and lust and such things. The flesh being the part of us that wants to lust and sin

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      @LiamS95 some guys in european or south American countries also circumcise (but very very rarely) because of aesthetic reasons but I think uncut looks much better

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  • jshm2
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    Jesus was circumcised. Also, it is good protection against STD's

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      Because Jesus was a Jew?

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  • Gayuglycowardv3
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    They aren't Christian, I've never met one. American circumcision was started by a Jewish lie as cut penises were more hygienic than uncut

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    • strateguy632
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      Correct. So many people echo that intact are "smelly and gross" as if european men are not clean.
      As if europeans and chinese don't want "health benefits".

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      @strateguy632 I heard that after getting information about how circumcision reduces HIV among men and women (!) chinese people started to circumcise their sons. Same for caribbean countries because HIV rate is high in caribbean countries

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    • strateguy632
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      Yeh but the cause of hiv is a VIRUS. So a barrier keeps away a virus like condom. But a cut doesn't SLOW DOWN any virus it is not a cause... just a coincidence in some countries while togo and other countries show circumcised have MORE a. i. d. s. h. i. v. because circumcised does not CAUSE any safety.

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  • jahaims
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    Most people i talk to think it is medically necessary because they are uneducated

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    Israel... that's why

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      But Israel is a Jewish state. Usa is a Christian state. So?

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    • In_Trance
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      Mutilating little boy's dicks is a Jewish practice so...

      Jews are the problem

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    • Yiğit_Sergen123
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      No. In ancient egypt it was common too, before judaism.

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    • In_Trance
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      Great. That doesn't invalidate the fact that Jews are the problem

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    Aesthetic

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