how is he being selfish for expecting something in return for being chivalrous? its you women who are being selfish for expecting chivalry without needing to do anything for the man in return, so say that you yourself reward chivalry but many women dont, some dont even like it because it makes them feel "unequal" or something. Men are done sacrificing for women, if you want to be treated like an equal then forget about special treatment.
Well in my defense, i can't go around paying for peoples food without being cautious, i will be taken advantage of sooner or later.
What you have described, that is how my friends and I treat each other because we trust each other. But to treat someone like that on a first date from a person i met on a dating app? No, there's a voice in my head that says its a bad idea.
Most likely a woman does not have sex with a guy on the first date, or the second, or third. Because she does not want to be used for sex, because it feels bad to feel used and then discarded.
A man is at risk of being used for free food if he pays for a girls food on dates, you have talked about this in your mytake. And feeling used feels bad for us too. From your point of view it is only one date, from my point of view its many, many dates with many different women before something can turn into a relationship.
I agree with what you said about doing that with a woman you met online. You know nothing about her and dating apps are kind of sketch.
However, say you met someone on the street and you really liked how they were interacting with people, attractive etc. You ask her on a date and want to impress her. So most likely you'd pay for her meal, right?
Some women do sleep with men on the first date. Just like some men don't pay for the first date. I choose my standards, as do you. Do you want a woman who respects herself and knows what she deserves?
I'm not materialistic person, but I would not be with someone who wouldn't pay for a first date. It has nothing to do with money, but it would indicate to me that I'm not worth it to him.
@puppylove94 well to be honest, i am not really interested in making people impressed. And i am toi shy to ask girls out on the street. If i am friends with this girl then i can pay for her food yes but she would probably ask to split the bill because thats how we do that here most of the time.
I asked my mom and she said "isnt that outdated?". there's probably feminists here. And my mom says when her and my dad were younger that they also always split the bill and that it was common here.
@RainbowFanGirl feminism my mom says. My mom is a stay at home mom now but she has has her own company once, now she owns a cat shelter and an ironing business lol.
I am noticing more men are polite and doing things for me like holding the door and I do that also. These days I'm just as likely to hold the door for another man as for a woman. Maybe I've always been that way, haven't noticed. The problem is there are so many types of people and it isn't going to always be appreciated. Also doing little things like that for 'some' women will get you an insult or worse so... It's the bad apple thing.
Chivalry didn't just die. Feminazis took it to the gas chamber.
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I try to be chivalrous with women, but it never works in the end. I am not chivalrous to get laid, I am chivalrous because that's how my parents raised me. However, I always see men who don't do the kind gestures get laid with no problem. They just put on the charm, invite the girl over and they get laid.
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It's not my nature and this isn't something I do... but here is my question:
Why should I take a woman on a respectable date, treat her well, pay for the date... when she will most likely fuck some guy she will meet at a club the next day?
I have been out with women before that wouldn't give me a second look after the date, but they would go and have sex with their neighbor.
For example... I met this girl one time for a date. When I went to pick her up... I noticed this nice looking, muscular guy talking to her and then when I pulled up, he went back to his apartment.
When I took the girl on the date, i was chivalrous, made her laugh, we held hands, etc and I set up a 2nd date with her.
After I dropped her off. I was about to pull out of the apartment complex, but I stopped because I dropped my phone on the floor of my car. As I was about to get going, I noticed, in my rearview mirror, she was going inside that guys apartment.
The next day, I asked her what she did when she got home (she didn't know I saw her go to her neighbor's place) and she told me that she fell asleep as soon as she got in.
Feminism and Social Justice nutjobs are 100% the reason society is in the shit tank.
I don't hold doors open for women anymore. I don't pay for meals. I don't deal with shit tests or bullshit manipulation. You wanted "EQUALITY"... I treat you like I would a male. I expect you to be responsible for your actions. I expect you to use logic over emotion. I expect you to pull your own weight. I expect you to do shit for yourself. I expect you to have social dignity and class.
If you don't... GTFO of my face.
ALPHA needs to come back and little beta bitch males need to grow a pair.
Proof of point. *Instantly offended by criticism... instead of taking it like an adult, has to take to the keyboard for personal attacks and shaming tactics.
Expecting women to act like mature adults, doesn't make me an asshole. It's called EQUALITY... not misogyny. If you feel you deserve special treatment simply because you are a girl... You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself.
My wife (a beautiful former gymnast)... would tell you the same.
Yeah, somehow society has feminized many younger men in more ways than just this. They don't work, can't change a tire, couldn't defend themselves if their lives depended on it and generally walk around like ball less wussies.
I completely agree. Feminism is a disaster, it should be annihilated from this society.
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yup pretty much right. but its even more complicated. its the media and society that formed the world this way... .
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Chivalry is a word describing men who do stuff for women, just because they are women and the man is a man. The last image isn't because chivalry is dead, they are just jerks.
I didn't quit with the kind gestures to avoid being called a mysoginist, I did it purely to spite women for being too stupid to realize that everyone needs help. "Oh your tire went flat? Good thing you know how to change a tire... Oh you don't, well I guess that really sucks doesn't it? Well good luck since women know everything or can figure it out, I guess having brute strength and knowledge doesn't really pay off for you today."
Hey, I'm not the one that's gonna get raped by some crazed woman on my walk home from the bar alone. I mean there are 2 or 3 from my past that might do it, but they all live in different states now so I'm pretty sure I'm not the one that should be worried.
As I said, I do it to spite the ideology that women don't need help when clearly we all do.
Well yes of course. I wouldn't expect anybody to be willing to offer assistance to someone who is demanding, rude and ungrateful. I meant if a kind woman politely asked for your help.
What? Seriously? Jeez, what kind of women have you come across? Every time I hear the guys on gag complain about the stuff women do I'm so lost. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I'm American too, but I'm Puerto Rican and Jamaican so I have a lot of my island culture influencing the way I was raised and the way I treat and respect men.
Perhaps it's an American woman thing because I'm sure women in Europe don't do that stuff, at least I hope not. Myself and my friends value and appreciate men in our lives. We certainly don't act like how a lot of men on here talk about. I guess Caribbean girls are raised differently.
Well in a lot of places there is a dominating culture, subcultures, and counter cultures under it. Perhaps the dominating culture concerning a certain group of American women consists of what the men are talking about. I mean they can't complain about it, if it's not there? Sure it might not be all of them, but it could be a big number of them.
@Relentless_Hippie It's white, middle class, princesses. Incidentally I'm white and while I'll date and I have dated women of many different racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic backgrounds I still find myself most generally attracted to women in my demographic of white upper middle class background. However the colligate institutionalization of forced equality and liberal power movements has damaged American culture and the regular progress of equality to a point of equality degradation. Nonwhites and non males are entitled to everything and it should be handed to them freely whereas a white man can work his entire life, fingers to the bone but if he's achieved any kind of success it's not due to his work effort it's because of his race and sex.
But hey, I'm a racist for stating this fact, and a sexist too.
No, I don't think you are. But I also don't think it's fair to discredit what anyone else has done to achieve greatness in their lives. I'm struggling every day in my life just to barely make do and while doing so I'm also going to school to make sure my future is bright.
I have responsibilities most people my age don't have to do with and once I'm successful it will be because of the hard work I've put in. I've never had anything handed to me, and neither has anyone else. When both sides of my family came to America they came with nothing. My Puerto Rican family decided they weren't able to make due with what they have and for that they're poor.
My Jamaican family on the other hand worked hard and while we may not be rich we're better off than most. Everybody works hard for what they have. White, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, everybody. To say they get things handed to them is the exact same thing they say about you. The reality is, none of it is true.
While I can agree with this, I think it's also dead because of certain "men" that have NO CLUE on how to have a relationship, because they cheat or they lie or they do any other number of stupid things.
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So lets say i am chivalrous what will the woman be in return?
first of all, that's a huge problem right there. You're thinking selfishly. But anyways, if you weren't acting selfish, I would return the favor.
For instance when a guy offers to buy movie tickets, I'll offer the snacks
When my ex paid for the first few dates, I got him a super nice birthday gift and house warming present. It's about giving, not receiving
Yes. I've held doors open for men. They didn't say thank you or anything tho.
how is he being selfish for expecting something in return for being chivalrous? its you women who are being selfish for expecting chivalry without needing to do anything for the man in return, so say that you yourself reward chivalry but many women dont, some dont even like it because it makes them feel "unequal" or something. Men are done sacrificing for women, if you want to be treated like an equal then forget about special treatment.
Well in my defense, i can't go around paying for peoples food without being cautious, i will be taken advantage of sooner or later.
What you have described, that is how my friends and I treat each other because we trust each other. But to treat someone like that on a first date from a person i met on a dating app? No, there's a voice in my head that says its a bad idea.
Most likely a woman does not have sex with a guy on the first date, or the second, or third. Because she does not want to be used for sex, because it feels bad to feel used and then discarded.
A man is at risk of being used for free food if he pays for a girls food on dates, you have talked about this in your mytake. And feeling used feels bad for us too. From your point of view it is only one date, from my point of view its many, many dates with many different women before something can turn into a relationship.
I agree with what you said about doing that with a woman you met online. You know nothing about her and dating apps are kind of sketch.
However, say you met someone on the street and you really liked how they were interacting with people, attractive etc. You ask her on a date and want to impress her. So most likely you'd pay for her meal, right?
Some women do sleep with men on the first date. Just like some men don't pay for the first date. I choose my standards, as do you. Do you want a woman who respects herself and knows what she deserves?
I'm not materialistic person, but I would not be with someone who wouldn't pay for a first date. It has nothing to do with money, but it would indicate to me that I'm not worth it to him.
@puppylove94 well to be honest, i am not really interested in making people impressed. And i am toi shy to ask girls out on the street. If i am friends with this girl then i can pay for her food yes but she would probably ask to split the bill because thats how we do that here most of the time.
I always offer to split the bill too. The guy usually doesn't let me though. Where are you from?
Im from Belgium.
Ah well I've never been there. Is feminism pretty big over there?
I asked my mom and she said "isnt that outdated?". there's probably feminists here. And my mom says when her and my dad were younger that they also always split the bill and that it was common here.
What s outdated?
@RainbowFanGirl feminism my mom says. My mom is a stay at home mom now but she has has her own company once, now she owns a cat shelter and an ironing business lol.
I am noticing more men are polite and doing things for me like holding the door and I do that also. These days I'm just as likely to hold the door for another man as for a woman. Maybe I've always been that way, haven't noticed. The problem is there are so many types of people and it isn't going to always be appreciated. Also doing little things like that for 'some' women will get you an insult or worse so... It's the bad apple thing.
Chivalry didn't just die. Feminazis took it to the gas chamber.
I try to be chivalrous with women, but it never works in the end. I am not chivalrous to get laid, I am chivalrous because that's how my parents raised me. However, I always see men who don't do the kind gestures get laid with no problem. They just put on the charm, invite the girl over and they get laid.
It's not my nature and this isn't something I do... but here is my question:
Why should I take a woman on a respectable date, treat her well, pay for the date... when she will most likely fuck some guy she will meet at a club the next day?
For the hope that maybe she likes you and wouldn't do that? I know I never would do something like that.
I have been out with women before that wouldn't give me a second look after the date, but they would go and have sex with their neighbor.
For example... I met this girl one time for a date. When I went to pick her up... I noticed this nice looking, muscular guy talking to her and then when I pulled up, he went back to his apartment.
When I took the girl on the date, i was chivalrous, made her laugh, we held hands, etc and I set up a 2nd date with her.
After I dropped her off. I was about to pull out of the apartment complex, but I stopped because I dropped my phone on the floor of my car. As I was about to get going, I noticed, in my rearview mirror, she was going inside that guys apartment.
The next day, I asked her what she did when she got home (she didn't know I saw her go to her neighbor's place) and she told me that she fell asleep as soon as she got in.
She fell asleep on some dick. Trust me its happened to me also, she was a bitch. Plenty of females like that nowadays... But there are some good ones.
Feminism and Social Justice nutjobs are 100% the reason society is in the shit tank.
I don't hold doors open for women anymore. I don't pay for meals.
I don't deal with shit tests or bullshit manipulation.
You wanted "EQUALITY"... I treat you like I would a male.
I expect you to be responsible for your actions.
I expect you to use logic over emotion.
I expect you to pull your own weight.
I expect you to do shit for yourself.
I expect you to have social dignity and class.
If you don't... GTFO of my face.
ALPHA needs to come back and little beta bitch males need to grow a pair.
I wouldn't get near your face. You seem like a straight up asshole. Good luck getting a girlfriend with that selfish attitude
True its one or the other girls. You either have patriarchy or equality.
Proof of point.
*Instantly offended by criticism... instead of taking it like an adult, has to take to the keyboard for personal attacks and shaming tactics.
Expecting women to act like mature adults, doesn't make me an asshole.
It's called EQUALITY... not misogyny. If you feel you deserve special treatment simply because you are a girl... You are the one who should be ashamed of yourself.
My wife (a beautiful former gymnast)... would tell you the same.
That's what feminism stands for... mass privilege and special treatment becuase they think women are more important than men.
Yeah, somehow society has feminized many younger men in more ways than just this. They don't work, can't change a tire, couldn't defend themselves if their lives depended on it and generally walk around like ball less wussies.
ahhh, so this is why my husband expects me to do everything!!! and never buys me birthdat gifts!!!
Love your take and I agree. That is why I have always treated women with respect
I completely agree. Feminism is a disaster, it should be annihilated from this society.
yup pretty much right. but its even more complicated. its the media and society that formed the world this way... .
Chivalry is a word describing men who do stuff for women, just because they are women and the man is a man. The last image isn't because chivalry is dead, they are just jerks.
Its not dead with me, i still have my honor codes :)
chivalry doesn't mean what you think it means. it means if she treats you like shit for being nice, she's going to get equally bad of treatment back.
Lol look it's a woman blaming other women for chivalry ceasing to exist.
You should be nice to someone anyways not because you want something in return.
I didn't quit with the kind gestures to avoid being called a mysoginist, I did it purely to spite women for being too stupid to realize that everyone needs help. "Oh your tire went flat? Good thing you know how to change a tire... Oh you don't, well I guess that really sucks doesn't it? Well good luck since women know everything or can figure it out, I guess having brute strength and knowledge doesn't really pay off for you today."
Well good luck dying alone.
Awh well look at that chivalry. Always thinking of others before yourself
Hey, I'm not the one that's gonna get raped by some crazed woman on my walk home from the bar alone. I mean there are 2 or 3 from my past that might do it, but they all live in different states now so I'm pretty sure I'm not the one that should be worried.
As I said, I do it to spite the ideology that women don't need help when clearly we all do.
Asker _ Savage fam😂😂
What if she asks you for help? Do you still have the mindset of spiting her or are you willing to assist?
@Relentless_Hippie If she's not a bitch about it and is just expecting it to be done for her.
isn't just expecting it to be done for her.
Well yes of course. I wouldn't expect anybody to be willing to offer assistance to someone who is demanding, rude and ungrateful. I meant if a kind woman politely asked for your help.
@Relentless_Hippie I guess. I don't know I still feel like I'd end up having some harassment charge against me in the end somehow.
What? Seriously? Jeez, what kind of women have you come across? Every time I hear the guys on gag complain about the stuff women do I'm so lost. Maybe it's a cultural thing. I'm American too, but I'm Puerto Rican and Jamaican so I have a lot of my island culture influencing the way I was raised and the way I treat and respect men.
Perhaps it's an American woman thing because I'm sure women in Europe don't do that stuff, at least I hope not. Myself and my friends value and appreciate men in our lives. We certainly don't act like how a lot of men on here talk about. I guess Caribbean girls are raised differently.
@Relentless_Hippie it's not American women. I think it's just them having a bad experience and dwelling on it
Well in a lot of places there is a dominating culture, subcultures, and counter cultures under it. Perhaps the dominating culture concerning a certain group of American women consists of what the men are talking about. I mean they can't complain about it, if it's not there? Sure it might not be all of them, but it could be a big number of them.
@Relentless_Hippie It's white, middle class, princesses. Incidentally I'm white and while I'll date and I have dated women of many different racial, ethnic, and socioeconomic backgrounds I still find myself most generally attracted to women in my demographic of white upper middle class background. However the colligate institutionalization of forced equality and liberal power movements has damaged American culture and the regular progress of equality to a point of equality degradation. Nonwhites and non males are entitled to everything and it should be handed to them freely whereas a white man can work his entire life, fingers to the bone but if he's achieved any kind of success it's not due to his work effort it's because of his race and sex.
But hey, I'm a racist for stating this fact, and a sexist too.
Nah, it's definitely American woman. This literally never happens in any other country I've been to.
@TheTruthHurtsImSorry I'm American
You're also pretending like you don't experience this while you know damn well that you do.
@Puppylove94
and? So what?
No, I don't think you are. But I also don't think it's fair to discredit what anyone else has done to achieve greatness in their lives. I'm struggling every day in my life just to barely make do and while doing so I'm also going to school to make sure my future is bright.
I have responsibilities most people my age don't have to do with and once I'm successful it will be because of the hard work I've put in. I've never had anything handed to me, and neither has anyone else. When both sides of my family came to America they came with nothing. My Puerto Rican family decided they weren't able to make due with what they have and for that they're poor.
My Jamaican family on the other hand worked hard and while we may not be rich we're better off than most. Everybody works hard for what they have. White, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, everybody. To say they get things handed to them is the exact same thing they say about you. The reality is, none of it is true.
@TheTruthHurtsImSorry that's not true. I'm not like that at all
While I can agree with this, I think it's also dead because of certain "men" that have NO CLUE on how to have a relationship, because they cheat or they lie or they do any other number of stupid things.
Good take. Your points are good but it's just how modern world move forward, so you can't blame any specific group.☺
So because women aren't precious little second range citizens anymore, we have killed chivalry?
No, it's because we don't know the difference between "I don't need your help" vs "I can do this myself, but you helping is a kind gesture"
Well actually yes.
That's right. Now go make me a sandwich like a good girl.
Wow this is a very good myTake. I agree 100%
Thanks 😊