India's Human Safaris; tell me who the real Savage is

[Waffles731]

This morning I learned of something that horrified and angered me. I thought this had gone away after public executions and the asylum tourism of the 19th century had gone away but apparently modern society still has Human Safaris.

On Andaman Island in the Bay of Bengal there is a reserve for the Jarawa Tribe of people. These are a tribe recognized by the government of India and the jungles have been their home ever since their ancestors came to the island for what is generally accepted to be several thousand years. Now after Contact not only with the British but the people of India in the early 19th century they are still living this tribal lifestyle. Now today there are bus tours that are explicitly for people who want to go on a human safari and I wish I could say that Human Safari tours of one kind or another were something new and likely to fade. They aren't, I just thought they were gone already.

Back in the late 19th century and early 20th century there was another kind of human safari and one just as despicable. In those days you would get people, usually upper class scumbags no wait, that's an insult to scumbags. You'd get these people who I have a hard time even calling them wastes of oxygen and resources as that seems to kind. They would pay money to go and tour Insane Asylums so that they could gawk at the patients. This reminds me of a quote by the Punk Icon Henry Rollins

The last public Execution in France was in 1939 and there is a freaking video of it and you know why most of the people who showed up did. Its not because they wanted to see justice. ITS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FREAKING ENTERTAINING. Henry Rollins was wrong, that already happened and you know I never thought it would actually ever happen again, but after seeing that people will pay to go on human safaris. I'm not so sure.

What is really freaking Ironic is that while these people go on to gawk at the people they view as savages due to their lack of modern technology and tribal lifestyle. Its very clear who the real Savages are here and its not the Jarawans. Its the tourists, say what you will about the Jarawans but they don't go around paying large sums of money to go gawking at people they view as inferior and that is something a true Savage does. WE TREAT CONDEMNED CRIMINALS TO MORE FUCKING PRIVACY THAN THIS. To anyone who paid for this, do you have any sense of morals, of basic human decency, hell I'd settle for Standards which considering that in Prison child molesters are the lowest of the low, even Murderers can have standards.

[dragonfly6516]

The Hindi culture is beautiful and amazing; the Indian people however sometimes leave me wondering "where the hell is their humanity?" I mean no disrespect, but I have yet to have a pleasant experience with an Indian that wasn't being paid to wait on me.

[Waffles731]

A good chunk of them are actually westerners who come to do this.
They also go to peru and Brazil

[Waffles731]

Thats what to me is even more fucked up is people will travel half the world to gawk at people they think are lesser than them

[Waffles731]

A neighbor of mine actually goes to india quite frequently for business.
He's met some really good people, some real assholes too

[dudegrt09]

As usual this news is misleading, and you are a hypocrite who thinks like that, when it is your people due to which 1000s of tribes around the world has suffered. But you people have to stick your nose in everything, when you know nothing, and your shitty media keeps on feeding you anything that they could puke

[dragonfly6516]

@dudegrt09 An Indian man bought my father's business, cut my sister down to 20 hours a week when she was getting 40, then hired an illegal Indian immigrant who is underage for the position, pays him cash under the table for 66 hours a week, then leaves the store in the care of this boy, and has the audacity to blame my sister for all the failure and then claims this why she doesn't have a full time position. My sister had been the manager for 3 years, and profits had been way up since she took over. She is also in school and doesn't want to take ownership thus the reason for the sale. Since the Indian took over, my sister isn't even allowed into the office, and yet her expects her to be capable of invoices and faxes. Now before you try to say he's just an incompetent man, he owns 60% of the surrounding area, and has everyone in his pockets to do his bidding. And yet the other unrelated Patel who owns the other 40% has a horrible reputation for being a cut throat, a cheat, and a liar.

[dragonfly6516]

@dudegrt09 So you tell me how I am supposed to feel when this is my entire experience with the Hindi culture.

[Waffles731]

Holy shit, thats fucking awful.
That is a complete dick move on that guy

[dudegrt09]

So what, Caucasain people plundered and looted my country for 100s of years. Ruined my culture, the affects of which we are still coping with. You don't see me going around shouting on every Caucasian I come across as Barbaric. You're 33 years old but still not very mature or educated for that matter, generalizing people when it is an individual's fault instead of an entire community. But yes in my case it is the fault of you're entire community, cause all of you supported colonialism.

[dragonfly6516]

@dudegrt09 I'm not them. I actually made an effort to learn about your culture from my boss, and I find the Hindu religion beautiful, and fascinating. I asked them to teach me because I only knew what the news had said, and I didn't want to blindly believe the media, I wanted to hear and learn right from men who came from India. And this is how my family was treated.

[dragonfly6516]

@dudegrt09 And if we Caucasians are so "barbaric", why is your government allowing these tours to continue, and how did Westerners find out about them unless your government is also allowing commercial advertising?

[dudegrt09]

You're shitty media is reporting this news so it is bogus. There are no tours like these and 1000s of tribes in India are provided autonomy and privacy in India what Caucasians never provided. SO this whole myTake is Bullshit. Second if you are not one of them, that argument I can use for rest of Indians too, what one individual did to your family has nothing to do with him being Indian, but it was an individual who was flawed. I don't think I need to defend anyone or anything cause you sound absurd and mindless

[YourFutureEx]

The difference here is that you're judging 1.25 billions people based on your experience with just one while @dudegrt09's example involved thousands of westerners who took away all of the resources from the Asia and Africa.

[Waffles731]

@YourFutureEx
We're Americans,
India was the British who I should point out, we also fought a war of Independence against and then fought another to keep it.

[YourFutureEx]

The comment wasn't personal, but fundamental.

[jacquesvol]

Dxcellent take! 👍

[jacquesvol]

Tpo *excellent

[YourFutureEx]

Typo*

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

I think it's pretty interesting, actually. So, let's take out the zoo-like element of it. Certain tribes and cultures are devoid of technological and modern civilization interaction. There's a couple in the Amazon and a few in the sub Saharan desert as well. But they aren't just kept in captivity so much as they are protected from outside influences. But I think it's an interesting look on how these civilizations live and survive while maintaining minimal interaction between them and the outside world. While some see it as exploitation and some will do it with the exploitation of those humans in mind, I feel like others, like myself like to see it as a cultural view. Again, it's not them being held in captivity like a caged animal. I feel like that's where it gets lost. As for whether it's moral to do so, exploit outsiders for monetary gain and/or use the technology to view their world that they are incapable of even fathoming is another debate altogether and probably based moreso on the person's or persons' intent is another debate, I suppose. Like again, I would find it interesting while a few others would look at it to make some coin

[Kachatterjee]

When tsunami happened in 2004, not a single Jarawa died. They knew what was going to happen and took shelters at thw top of coconut trees. They have their own science.

Also, in India, there are many such tribes. Yes, there are people who consider them as savage, there are people who help them as well.

Jarawas are wonderful tribes.

[Waffles731]

Yeah, it was like that in the a 140 years ago or so

[Jackblue]

There is no way of knowing if any Jarawas died. We don't know how many of them there are even, we only have estimates.

[Kachatterjee]

@Jackblue sory, the government of India have been in touch with Jarawas. Do you know there are Jarawas who come down to the posts where Govt officials are there and communicatenwhen in distress? Please find out first.

[Waffles731]

" Yes, there are people who consider them as savage, there are people who help them as well."
I will also add to that, that A LOT of the people who take these tours aren't Indians but Rather
Australian and European Tourists.

[Jackblue]

They don't take a census of the Jarawas and we do not know if all of them actually seek help from the government, because we really don't know that much about them.

[Kachatterjee]

@Jackblue thats incorrect statement. Census took place. Unfortunately the count had reduced. You can visit the census site for details.

[Jackblue]

Ok give me the link.

[Kachatterjee]

Just google Jarawa census, you might get a pdf.

[Jackblue]

censusindia.gov.in/.../...ribes_in_A&N_Islands.pdf
According to this they do take a census but the Jarawa people are highly nomadic and what they can do to count them is limited. They try to photograph them, but what about the ones who don't get photographed.

[JRICHARDS1996]

This is disturbing to say in the least. Granted, such tribal people will always be an anomaly when the rest of the world has become so different. But even so, they are still people and entitled to their privacy. The only people who should be going to observe them are academics like scientists and anthropologists for the sake of research. Nobody should be gawking at them for entertainment alone.

[Waffles731]

the sad thing is that people come from all over the world to fucking pay for this

[JRICHARDS1996]

For what it is worth, it is technically illegal. But due to notoriously bad beurocracy, the Indian government is often lax at enforcing the law.

[vishna]

That's dangerous, they could sicken these isolated populations. Also, Indian officials are hypocrites because dolphins are protected as non-human persons, so they get special protection, but it's ok to gawk at actual humans like a lion. Ridiculous. These people should be left alone, if they want to reach out to the mainland, fine, but we shouldn't mess with them.

[Phoenix98]

Honestly it would be better to never go to that island again and just leave those people to their lives. Plus a human safari is a stupid idea some of these tribal tribes around the world are legitimately dangerous. did you know there are still tribal cannibal tribes in the African forests?

[Jackblue]

Idolization of tribal society is what makes it so fascinating. People and their desire to preserve a way of life that should be gone. In 2006 the ocean pushed two Indian fishermen off course and they landed on North Sentinel island inhabited by a people similar to the Jarawas. The tribesmen ruthlessly butchered them. What did the Indian Government do about it? Not a thing, they want to preserve the lifestyle of the people. My opinion on how to stop human safaris is assimilate these people.

[dudegrt09]

I don't think it is a organized safari or something. That board is used outside of the jungle, which is a protected area to set the rules and warn the people who go inside, because disturbing the privacy of tribes is not allowed. Normally government makes best of efforts to secure the privacy of many tribes that are in India, whether it is Andaman and Nicobar, Lakshdeep, Chhattisgarh, or Orissa.

[lumberman9]

Holy shit that's sad to see wow but that's a human problem in general every race has done and still does fucked up things

[SlightlyCrazy]

Wow that's honeslty a surprise to me. That's damn disgusting

[Blitzkrieger]

In some muslim countries public executions happen occasionally and there are many videos of it.

[LiveFreeorDieHard]

Humanity died along time ago. All what is left is the people who survived after the chaos that was the Neolithic and agricultural age.

[Blueeyes81]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WdgDqrPAZcE

Here is a good vice news piece on the subject.

[Thatguy269]

That's exactly why Indians get treated like shit in my country.

[Thatguy269]

@dudegrt09 LMFAO wtf are you talking about? Qatar in no way forces Indians to come invade our territory.

[dudegrt09]

Get lost, hypocrite

[dudegrt09]

Oh so you're a mussie, yeah your community and religion sucks big time

[iceEverestere]

I am indian. I didn't knew about this shit.

[Waffles731]

I heard its illegal, however no one is enforcing it on andaman island currently and people come from all over the world to pay for it and when you do crack down that leaves the currently operating tours in south america.

[iceEverestere]

I see. Indian Law enforcement should work strictly

[ColinHarvey]

There's a human safari in America too, perhaps you've heard of Detroit?

[Anonymous]

What's wrong with freak shows? That's what Youtube is all about. Freaks.

[Anonymous]

I slept with a few indian guys. Wasn't impressed.

[Waffles731]

Okay, I like pizza,
so now that the non-sequitur are out of the way,
Why did you leave a comment?

[Opinion Owner]

Thought it was about Indian guys undersized peeps.

[Red_Arrow]

* face palm *

And another example of anon opinions being a bad idea.

[QooLipBite]

They still fucked you...

I mean... There's nothing you can say anymore 😂 3-5 Indian guys fucked you. Damn. Game 😂😂😂

[Anonymous]

gotta love their caste system.