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Why We Need A Matriarchy (Page 2)
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Be prepared for the nasty comments by men on here lol.
Haha i'm ready for them, what's your opinion on it all?
I don't agree with installing a matriarchy, but you make some interesting points. I'm a feminist, I don't believe any one type of person should rule over all others. I think our governments and our financial systems should reflect the real population with more or less egalitarian representation for everyone.
I'm glad you find some of my points interesting :)
An egalitarian representation would almost be impossible
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The most capable must lead. Man or woman. That's all there's to it.
Lol is this some sort of weird joke? Women don't want to be in charge, generally speaking. Women (as a majority) are submissive. I always laugh at the notion of defying nature. It's like "We have a lack of women in 'insert male dominated occupation." Yes, because most woman aren't interested in many jobs men do. People trying to buck nature, are going to find out the hard way nature doesn't give a damn what you think, and will quickly slap you back to reality. And if you continue to resist you will only be serving yourself up a miserable existence in a battle you can't win.
How about we stop fucking caring about gender? That's the real problem there. Who cares about what gender is the person who rule a country? We have evolved from our basic instincts and what matter today are ideas. You would prefer a female Hitler over Gandhi as a ruler?
Plus, you say that matriarchy would be a solution to some problems while these problems have nothing to do with gender. The problems of poverty and inequalities are maily due to capitalism, hich has nothing to do with patriarchy.
I stopped reading halfway because there were so many things wrong. There are no proof of hat you say and most things you are speaking off are unrelated.
Also, you're probably an undercover girl that tries to make us swallow the pill.
Also, the Saint-Bathélémy massacre was mainly ordered by the queen Catherine de Médicis. And we are the violent there?
"You don't need violence, war and conflict to make life interesting."
Do kids these days not understand how revolutions work?
Why even bring up the question of men fighting and dying for a matriarchy if you claim there won't be war in a matriarchy. Dude your contradictions are especially bad when they are made in the bolded part of your text... I shouldn't be this critical cause I know you're still young and I'm guessing you took an intro to sociology/psychology and just like every other freshmen in college you now think you understand the universe.
Violence isn't needed for a revolution to succeed.
"Oh I will try and have a healthy discussion with OP and see if he can't be convinced otherwise."
*looks at username*
"oh..."
We've already seen examples of matriarchys. The American Indians, who never developed a civilization beyond basic levels and were conquered by European patriarchies.
Some european nations have somewhat become matriarchys, and now their traitorous female rulers are inviting the savages inside the city gates to rape and pillage.
I'm sorry but there is a reason there are no female dominated societies. It doesn't work.
In any position of power, tough decisions have to be made, feelings will be hurt. It is simply absurd to think otherwise. Men are (generally) going to be the natural leaders. The world isn't fair, it can't be.
Yeah. @MatriarchalFuture is stupid. If he'd read the Bible, he would know that God has ordained that men be the leaders. It's time people accept that. Women are suppose to be submissive and let the men rule and lead. That, however, does not mean the man should force women to do things that's wrong. It means men should be the ones that guides and directs women and she be the followers.
I'm fed up with pussy whipped men like him or should I say boys like him.
@deathcat42 You lost me at quoting the bible, but it's just basic biology. Put a group of people on a task and chances are a guy will take charge.
You don't have to @ me. We're the only 2 in the conversation. You do that when there's 3 or more.
Simply reason why we Matriarchy is not successful. If a matriarchal society was more successful there would already be one. But there isn't, there is a reason why there is not a single successful matriarchal civilization in the world. Women, throughout history and in the modern age, just aren't into leadership as much as men are.
Preach
@elinaas He isn't right lol I do agree that Women aren't into leadership as much at the moment because of how society works and how women were portrayed, Women were never portrayed as someone who could potentially be a leader until quite recently. Women in the past didn't think they were able to be a leader, they thought they didn't have what it takes and even if they ddi, it was a man's job. That's why the societies never worked. However in the future it could be very successful and benefit men and Women.
You keep blaming the society over everything apparently. Have you not heard about biological behavior? I recommend you to read about how us, animals have always behaved, before we were even able to speak. And no, I dont mean ALL the women prefers to be so called submissive, but majorty. Let's not get into extremes please.
@elinaas Most women identify as submissive because they have been conditioned to think that women are naturally submissive
Which is again societies fault
You sound like the minorty of men, submissive. Also, how do you explain animals' behavior then? You do know human beings are animals as well? Did male wolves force females to be more submissive? No. Seriously dude, you are already 18 and you still dont believe in biology. I'm done with you lmao.
Which society? If it's society's fault then explain why the HUGE majority of all civilizations throughout all of human history have not been matriarchal. Hell, research some modern day lost tribes, they even have patriarchal leadership. Men are natural leaders, it's genetic, it's necessary. Not saying women can't be but they are the tiny minority and not representative of all.
"Most women identify as submissive because they have been conditioned to think that women are naturally submissive"
So you are saying women should be leaders - yet they are so weak and fragile that just a bit of conditioning makes them behave a certain way? Isn't that kinda contradictory?
@FakeName123 Just a bit? Do you live under a rock? They have been conditioned like this for ages
You didn't answer my question.
Even if the were properly conditioned. You are making them seem incredibly weak, if you say they are just a product of their conditioning.
@FakeName123 Your putting words into my mouth.
I am not putting words into your mouth, but making a logical conclusion out of your statement. So stop being a whim and answer.
@MatriarchalFuture
No. Most women are submissive because the Bible teaches them that it is the way to be. Ever wondered why women have longer hair than men? It is not by nature. It's by choice.
@deathcat42 we werent talking about physical traits.. anyway women have been mire submissive etc before we were able to even talk. Please stop arguing with biology.
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@elinaas
People choose to be submissive. They aren't born that way.
@deathcat42
If it was really all societal influenced - then there would have been plenty of societies in the past that were matriarchal. It's ridiculous to think that one gender was able to oppress the other gender for thousands of years all around the world.
And if that gender really managed to do that, then that would kinda mean that gender is superior being able to oppress the other for that long.
@FakeName123
They chose to stay oppressed and chose to be submissive still.
@deathcat42 no. When we talk about majorty of women, the reason why women are more submissive than men is based on biology, not choosing.
@elinaas
Link me proof.
Submissive means allowing somebody control. Thus, when you allow, you choose.
@deathcat42 are u seriously this stupid to argue against biology? U need no proof for obvious stuff. Pls
@elinaas
Says the one that can't provide proof. Being submissive is to allow others control. Look up the definition. That means whoever is submissive, choose to be so. The Bible says Be submissive. Thus, you must choose to be that way to do so. If you're submissive by default, then you wouldn't choose.
I don'y appreciate you calling me potentially stupid when you think it isn't a choice.
@deathcat42
So you are literally saying there wasn't a functioning matriarchy in all of history because women choose to be oppressed? Did you even take a moment to think about what you just said there and what that actually means?
Seriously. Think before you write. This is by far the dumbest shit I have heard in ages.
@FakeName123
Being submissive is always a choice. Being dominant is always a choice.
You're not born submissive or dominant.
@deathcat42
If it is all a choice - how comes that in all of history men choose to be dominant and women choose to be submissive?
We go circles here. You still didn't give a proper answer how that is possible. If it was just a choice then surely somewhere sometime would have been a reasonable sized society where women decided to not be submissive?
@deathcat42 Of course everything mental is a choice, but the fact is that most of the women are more submissive than men. This is not explained by a choice. Even the dumbest person would realize that. I recommend you to watch animal documentaries to understand this topic better.
There have been matriarchy based societies in the past examples being some native Americans, some Polynesian societies, some societies in India, and some in Africa. What did all of these have in common, their lack of technological advancement, and I don't just mean in terms of weapons I mean in terms of life saving medicines and farming techniques. Women do not have the means to control and harness the cruel mistress that is mother nature.
Every society on the planet got outcompeted by Western Europe, which brought technological advancement to the world. So most patriarchies weren't doing that well either.
@raspberry0416 actually they were doing well, but western society set a HIGH standard of what you think ''well'' is.
@raspberry0416 I dunno the middle east, China, and India all seem to have done pretty well historically. Worth noting those societies were way more male-dominated than Europe.
@Chraesor
They had their own culture and heyday and everything, but they never industrialized and modernized liked the west.
@raspberry0416 china didn't modernize like the west? or some countries in the middle east. Maybe in terms of freedom of speech but china is already starting to own corporations in america and real estate. America will fall to china if it keeps up
@applesandoranges22 The neighboring patriarchies did not industrialize, but they were still a lot more advanced.
@applesandoranges22 Sorry I was trying to respond to raspberry0416
A noble dream, but once brought to fruition, it would only be fueled by revenge and cruelty.
Meritocracy and Social Darwinism makes for the best society. There, power is determined by might, wisdom, skill, and vision, not penises and vaginas.
Have you actually looked at the few matriarchal societies that have existed in history? Some of the Celts as an example. Most did not fare as you expect a modern one would. Further as women are at least as bloody as men, and certainly more teritorial I propose that it would lead to more bloodshed not less.
Don't you feel like you're taking your pitiful fetish a bit too far?
It's not a fetish.
We had matriarchal societies many times in history and we saw how well it went.
We have matriarchal societies today. It is called Sweden and Germany. And we all se what is happening in those countries.
WTF man how cuckholded can you become? Promoting women as shitty tough men who are dynamic and kick ass. YEEAAAAHHH women kick so much ass! Let a bunch of depressed shitty men rule the world!
Germany and Sweden and both still patriarchies and run like one.
"I'm a dynamic independent feminist. "
Say it.
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What?
Yeah, and both were at the forefront of when European countries took in tons of immigrants and low and behold now have real problems, especially Sweden which has the highest sexual assault/harassment numbers in Europe and I think ten "no-go zones", though they're not supposed to acknowledge it.
> What is notable about Margaret Thatcher is that she acted and behaved like a man. It would be impossible for a feminine, caring, and compassionate women to become a leader of a patriarchal political party and go on to be the leader of a patriarchal government.
This is your problem right here. The entire basis of your idea of why we need a matriarchy is because you think femininity should be in power, but WOMEN =/= FEMININITY. And men can be feminine too! Honestly if anything, you should be arguing that people who lean feminine in their disposition should be the ones in power, but not all women is the same.
There's kind of a reason why matriarchy is so rare is that it is hard for it is hard for it to be successful of the like 1000 or so cultures only like 13 of them. Are legitimately Matriarchy structured. Some share ideas of letting women have more power but VERY few. Women have actual authority.
or let all citizens run the government , both men and women
That would never practically work.
hey i guess im not stuck on being anti men or anti women... Im for anyone regardless of gender that knows how to run the country
By supporting a matriarchal society you aren't anti-men, like i said many times in this myTake a Matriarchy has huge benefits for men and women. It's much more equal then what we have today and much fairer.
@RealandGenuine26 How do you think that would work out?
"Matriarchy is the norm in human society, but you might not have noticed if you've been living through the patriarchal nightmare of the past several thousand years."
In other words, all recorded history. Such a fatuous statement speaks for itself.
Unfortunately we live in a world where even if the world was ruled by women then men would be the oppressed class. It's simple one class is oppressed until they have the power to be the oppressors. You speak as if women are pure and more forgiving, then immediately talk about how you want to simply become the new oppressors. Of which under this matriarchal abuse men will seek to gain power again, and oppress women, until women get the power back and so on and so forth.