What It Means to Be a Feminist Guy

[almadafie]

One thing I agree with most women on is that there are no such people as nice people, in my encounter of people who are simply nice, it turns out, they are usually very abusive people, they have no idea how to actually support someone, they have no sympathy, they are just actors, sometimes too good to get caught, but the good thing is that these people are impatient, that's the best way to catch them, they are always after something you have.

WHAT INSPIRED ME TO BECOME A FEMINIST:

How does a guy become a feminist in this world where there is a lot of hate towards it, where if a guy expresses his feminist views, he is not considered masculine.

It's very simple, I live in a very unfriendly country, especially to women, we need feminism, it can save lives here. But upon deep research into feminism, I have realized that even well developed countries where women seem to the have all the rights on paper, there is still need for feminism, a need for female empowerment, because women are still treated as objects, as lower in status even though they are making great strides in life.

HOW TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT A WOMAN:

I will not talk about the problems women face in my country because there aren't many people here from countries like mine.

So...

Start with talking to her about her general experiences, be the listening ear, and for once do not expect anything in return, but that doesn't mean that you have to be a doormat, you'd do this for all your male friends, then why not for your female friends as well?

Even if she is not a feminist herself, that shouldn't stop you from being one, and that shouldn't stop you from supporting her, women require a lot of emotional support and if that comes from a guy, it will help improve her own views about guys in general, prove to her that you can be respectful.

If a female friend of yours only dates non-feminist guys, than that isn't something that should offend you, feminism isn't about telling women how to act, it's about giving women choice.

Some friend of yours that dresses in a way which is considered, "slutty", and people give her a difficult time because of it, you can talk to those people, and if they choose not to listen, the best you can do is defend her and stand beside her choices in support, this isn't your duty, but this is something that can give her the sense that she is not alone.

Say you have a female friend, and she is a single mother, you can help her out, taking care of a child isn't a simple thing to do, and a woman cannot work and take care of her child without extra stress ruining her day, you can occasionally lend her a hand, let her go out and have fun for a day, and come back without worrying.

All of these are very simple things that good friends would already for each other, there is no man-shaming or man-hating here.

[SalilP]

I'm feminist too. But now days you'll find in media that feminist from developed countries are dominating over males. We don't want that. The definition of feminism is "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."
We want equality not dominance over each other.
Look at the tweet in following question
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2500254-should-father-s-day-be-banned-because-it-s-disrespectful-to-single

[Deathraider]

The correct term would be an equalist.

[MlleCake]

@SalilP, do remember that feminism is often painted a female supremacy to discredit it, but that isn't actually what feminists are working toward.

[SalilP]

@MlleCake True

[MlleCake]

@Deathraider No. For people truly involved in Feminism, we understand we don't need to use some other word so other people will think what we're doing is ok. No matter how many times people outside of feminism say it's about female supremacy, that doesn't make it so.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@MlleCake no but the actions of those who bear that label do make it so. those with power who use it as such. communism on paper was a decent idea but those who abuse it *mostly the fault of the system* grant it a poor look. just look at Stalin.

[Deathraider]

@MlleCake Some feminist do want female supremacy. And the term should really be changed.

[SalilP]

@Deathraider @TheOtakuMaid Nah feminist people don't want female supremacy. But FEMINAZIES do want it.

[MlleCake]

@Deathraider People who seriously desire female supremacy are not feminists. And you also speak out against men who want male supremacy too, right? I'll see you derailing them in their threads also, right?

[gaguser2453]

I will never get feminism in modern day society. Exclusively fighting for one groups rights while others are clearly struggling is not only baffling but offensive to others hardships. not only this, but they have also been silence and ridiculed to the point where no one wants to hear you out, and whenever a question gets brought up about womens rights the well warranted response is, what about us? yes, you have stigma, but what about us? why dont we get the media and university support for our problems? why dont we have any homeless shelters exclusive for us? where are our domestic abuse programs?

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 You are welcome to work for domestic violence shelters for people who are not women. Please do. Feminists are not stopping you. In the time when such things started to come into being, women and children were the largest group of victims, and we have worked to address those needs - but that doesn't preclude anyone else from addressing their needs.

And there are TONS of homeless shelters that house men. Not enough of a solution to the whole problem of homelessness though, but it's something. You will see liberal women and feminists deeply involved in helping the homeless though, if you get involved at the ground level.

Feminists see a lot of gender stereotypes and gender norms have a limiting or even damaging effect on men and people who define as trans or agender, etc. We think the work we are doing will liberate all people from the damaging effects of these norms.

[MlleCake]

Men generally have access to more resources, money and otherwise. So if you are seeing problems that effect men negatively, by all means - mount an awareness campaign, start fundraising, post research and articles - do ALL that. NO one is stopping you.

You will find that if your cause is just, many feminists will join you in your activism. Feminists were the first and only people I heard talking about male genital integrity for maybe the first 25 years I ever knew about it. Feminists have fought for their sons not to be over-diagnosed with ADHD/ADD and similar. Feminists have fought for better veteran's services. Feminism has been becoming more greatly intersectional as well. There's many other examples I can cite.

Things that help women achieve a more equal standing in the world have a beneficial impact on all of society. And it's also not wrong for us to focus on specific problems we face and work on them.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake ''You are welcome to work for domestic violence shelters for people who are not women. Please do''

so now you start with passive aggressive statements. My point is not to exclude ANY group of people. why would I get on people for ignoring issues of others and then try and help men while ignoring women, then I would be a hypocrite. Dont let this fly over your head. my point is VERY simply, you should not ignore peoples issues. Its never right.

many family shelters accept men if they have the kids or are married, but when that isn't the case, women HEAVILY outnumber the spacing against men and the funding is clearly skewed against men as they are seen as expendable.. dont believe me? look up single males and see how much spacing is available for them and PLEASE show me something that contridcts what I just said. there is a obvious reason why 70% of homeless people on the street are MEN. they dont just turn up the homeless shelters because they find living on the street nice...

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake ''You will see liberal women and feminists deeply involved in helping the homeless though, if you get involved at the ground level.'' and I have no problem with people who like to address BOTH sides of the issue.
''Men generally have access to more resources, money and otherwise''
I now love how you are downplaying what I said by saying because I am a man, I am more likely to have resource and connection compared to you That is illogical under any circumstance. Lady, you dont know me or most men for that matter. I come from a dirt poor neighborhood that didn't even have clean water and had crime all over the place. Do those men that live there have it easy? do the men living in a homeless shelter? what about suicide victims who are males which are sky rocketing? what of them?

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake now with the examples of fems being for both sides of issues, that is the ideal course that we should be taking. Just focusing on one side is just pure neglect. be honest, who has the main stage of universities and media? NOT MEN. everything is revolved around one side of the problem and is pure neglecting the other side of things and no, focusing on one side while the other suffers is not a ''beneficial effect on society'' its actually the opposite and is the reason why so many men are fed up in the first place

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 Who said I'm ignoring those issues? There are feminists involved in creating more shelters for people who are not men. We're not ignoring anything. It's just that it isn't feminism's job to be all things to all people. We recognize ways in which women suffers simply because of our gender, and that is an entirely worthy problem to focus on.

But excuse me, I find it incredibly disingenuous for men to tell me I'm not doing enough for their causes simply because I am focusing on mine, while THEY are doing NOTHING for their own causes. It comes up often as a way to derail women talking about things that effect us, not as a call to action to people to notice issues they find pressing.

So please, post questions and myTakes about some of the things you see men are facing and talk about specific actions that can be taken to help them. Please do. I am all ears.

You know, put your money where your mouth is.

[gaguser2453]

and what you said completely contradicts the the definition of feminism. If you acknowledge and also work towards helping men then you are NOT carrying the torch of traditional feminism but then again, there are so many people saying this and that is feminism and 90% of the time, its not even what it was intended to be. Fighting for human rights is the only logical answer. People do not deserve to be shunned out. you can come up with some half baked excuse, but there is no other reasonable, or fair response to this. You can keep talking about how I am more likely to find this magical resource and wealth though.

[MlleCake]

And I have personally done YEARS of work with homeless men and women to help them quit drugs and alcohol so they can get their lives in order. Right here, on Skid Row, in Los Angeles.

So be careful WHO you accuse of doing nothing or ignoring the issue. You want more attention paid to the issue? Then go out there and engage in some activism. No one is stopping you.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake what you have done and the context of what you are saying does not match. please, dont get on me for the way you word your replies. when someone speaks on issues, you dont just start saying things like ''oh, men are more likely to have resource and wealth'' thats literally a slap in the face to someone who is trying to get someone to hear them out. By the way, I do help, although its small, I constantly feed homeless people whenever I have the fund to do so. Sadly, I am still poor and struggling myself. I know though, generally I should have this wealth and connection you speak of

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 Yes, some good things feminists do are not traditional feminism. But there is nothing within feminism that says you can't also do other socially responsible things as well as being a feminist. Feminists are allowed to recycle, and volunteer for beach clean-up drives, and do work that directly helps men in need - feminism has a specific area of focus, but feminists can do whatever they think is needed to make their communities better, even if the issue isn't specifically about women. it's not like we're under surveillance and our feminist card will be revoked.

I'm not contradicting anything. You lack a full understanding of feminism and what happens among feminists.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake alright before I go any further I am going to apologize as that wealth comment was kind of a trigger. I am going to calm down for a minute and tell you that the literal definition of feminism is focusing on womens rights. there is nothing in that context that concerns itself with male issues, so the actual meaning is siding with what I am saying. i understand it perfectly

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 And when I say men generally have access to more resources, it is not saying YOU do. YOU have your own unique circumstances. But it is a cultural truth - it's easily tracked and measured. It's quite well documented in fact.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake and I am not trying to make a groups issues bigger than others as this is what causes people to be angry and not want to hear eachother out. All I am saying is people should just be fighting for whats right and end this stupid ideology of someones issues being bigger than others. I dont know what you have been through, you probably could have had it worse than me. sadly, a lot of people are not thinking like this. I hear this crap that goes against doing whats right from the media daily

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake quite well documented lol. look at the figures for male crime, suicide, homeless men, shrinking middle class etc.. and you will find that almost no one except a small minority are rich. just because a small group of men own most corps does not mean men in general have it better. I wouldn't even call the middle class a middle class anymore. you are either dirt poor, living with a few hundreds in your pocket or rich. There is no stability for the most part in this economy. men or women

[gaguser2453]

basically, the top 1-4% will own about 90% of all wealth while 80% only owns 7%.

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 It's not wrong to focus on issues that specifically effect us. It's just not. There is just nothing at all wrong with that. Men have focused on making things good for themselves, even at the expense of other people. So why is it suddenly wrong when women focus on women's issues, even when we emphasize over and over we don't want things "better" than men have them, just "equal"? Plus, being a feminist is just one aspect of who we are as people, and it doesn't preclude us from participating in social causes that aren't focused on women.

But again, I ask. Why are WE (feminists) responsible to do things for men that they aren't doing for themselves? You have yet to show me any ways in which you are engaged in awareness or activism for the causes that concern you. If YOU (men) aren't responsible for that, I don't see why WE (feminists) are.

[MlleCake]

Ultimately, what you don't seem to get, is that there are real, measurable, documentable, well known ways in which women are suffering in many aspects of life because of the mere fact that we are women.

There are ALSO ways in which the poor are suffering at the hands of the wealthy. (But most of that wealth is held and controlled by men.)

Both situations can be true simultaneously.

Women are not saying our issues are "bigger". We're saying they are big enough to need to be addressed.

This dichotomy you see is one you create in your own mind. The rest of us know that we can have both a sexist and a classist problem in society, and they can each be worked on, without one saying to the other "you don't matter".

If I give a dollar to breast cancer research, is that me saying prostate cancer doesn't matter? Of course not.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake '' So why is it suddenly wrong when women focus on women's issues,'' because, two wrongs doesn't make a right. I can't stand men who do that crap either. its not just women, which is my point. I can stand people who just make their issues bigger than others men or women

''But again, I ask. Why are WE (feminists) responsible to do things for men that they aren't doing for themselves?''

who has the media coverage, the universities are backing who? who are most funders turning too? trust me, there are a lot of men who want to be heard, we dont have that platform and we are just gaining it. I already told you what I do. I feed homeless people. sure, you can say all you want about how minuscule it is but you dont know my situation and what is going on in MY life which is not to pleasant either.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake ''Ultimately, what you don't seem to get, '' how dont I get it if I never even addressed that in the first place? I never denied it in fact, I already know that. you are basically saying ''you dont get it'' to simply discredit me. What I am simply saying is it doesn't go one way.

''mere fact that we are women''

and the same can be said for men. Dont do this comparative suffering game, its a dead end

''(But most of that wealth is held and controlled by men.)''

this is basically a backhanded statement. understand that statements can change your entire point. a SMALL group of men own wealth, the majority, are in the same boat as the rest of us. Once you realize that this isn't a war on race or gender, rather social class then you will realize that the majority of men are in the same situation that you are and saying ''well since that small group of rich people are men then that makes it right'' is not reasonable

[gaguser2453]

''If I give a dollar to breast cancer research, is that me saying prostate cancer doesn't matter?''

this is a horrible tangent statement. Anyways im really tired of this, I have homework. peace

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 There isn't just one thing going on. There are people in this world actively trying to deny women basic human rights. There are ALSO people in this world who are preventing the general population from experiencing prosperity. They are separate things.

The truth still remains that more of the world's wealth, even in relatively poor societies, is controlled by men, which is yet another problem, in addition to the other two. And speaking of general truths doesn't mean I am denying your personal truth.

You keep trying to plant this idea that feminist activism isn't valid or rightful unless we are doing all things for all people all the time. That is what led me to conclude you have some fundamental misunderstanding. If I was wrong, so be it.

It is not feminism's job to fix things for men. Men can work on their own problems, raise awareness, raise money - all those things. SOME men are actually doing it. And I am tired of men derailing women's conversations about feminism.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake

''They are separate things.''

I dont think they are and the reason why you may seem to see something fundamentally wrong with what I am saying is because you probably never experienced what I am talking about. Have you ever seen someone who was able to be the middle ground to most problems and make both sides happy? it is possible, sure call me naive or something but I dont think its wrong at all.

There are around 1 billion people in the world who live with less than 1 dollar per day. More than half of the world population lives with less than 10 dollars a day. 8 people own half of the world wealth. 4 CEOS own 147 corps in the united states which is basically any business you can think of. I have nothing to do with this, nor do the 3+ billion men which like I said, are in the same boat as you. you make this a man thing, when the majority of men do not see this wealth and connection you speak of.

[gaguser2453]

''Men can work on their own problems,''

and thats the problem, its every man for themselves. you are only going off of what you have seen in the past. Times are changing, its not just ''oh this group has a problem? then that group should fix it'' You even said it yourself, you've helped homeless men before. not because they were men, but because it was the right thing to do. feminism has no place in helping all groups of people, I agree with that, and that is pretty much it. Times are changing and sure we can all do the right thing or just say ''well since this is a mens issue, men go work on that'' you aren't on some team, we are all in this together and would probably get things done much faster if that we did work with eachother.

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 And now you have fully derailed a thread about feminism.

Yes, they can be related issues, or linked issues, or contribute to a similar overall problem. But they are still separate things and deserve to be regarded with individual focus.

And I don't expect oppressors to be "happy" when we take away one more method of oppression through activism and law making. That's hard for some peole to accept. I am not always looking for compromise with oppressive systems. I am often looking for liberation from them.

None of what you are saying disproves what I am saying. And it's clear you don't get the point that was being made.

Men are not, as a whole, helpless to create necessary change. Globally, men *tend* to have more resources available (not in every case), but in a general way. If men are identifying issues that effect them uniquely as men, then men can organize, raise awareness, raise funds, engage in activism. ALL of those things are available to men.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake I didn't derail anything. I acknowledge women have problems, I never said otherwise. you keep following this blueprint of bitter men who come here trying to make their issues bigger than others and then argue with the same outlines. I am not one of those guys. you have problems I have problems, all I said was making one side bigger is not right under any sense. why do you have such a problem with that? i am also not saying that there aren't exclusive problems for men and women. you are so one dimensional honestly, for you its either one or the other, its like you aren't capable of understanding that everyones need can be met accordingly in terms of rights. its just that you have never seen such an example, and you are only following what you seen. like I said before, I think its possible and thats my thoughts on it.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake also in a general sense? my statistic refutes what you are saying. 1 billion people dont even make a dollar again, and only 8 people own half of the wealth that we see. 3+ billion men are in the middle class and tend to be in the same range as women. your ''general'' statements have huge fallacies in it and I know now where you are trying to go. I have debunked everything you said and at this point you are just repeating debunked claims. Im muting this. its going nowhere

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 But historically, women have worked to support men, men's issues, men's work, so on and so forth, until we found ourselves essentially enslaved in many societies, yet we found that OUR needs were ignored.

We are not obligated to do all our best work in just the interest of men anymore. We can work in our own self interest now too and that is ok. There's nothing wrong with that. We aren't impeding anyone else from working on anything else. We don't need your permission to fight for ourselves, and we don't owe you equal time.

[MlleCake]

Women control only 1/3 of the world's wealth. That means men control 2/3.

time.com/.../

Our standing is improving. But what I am saying is not wrong, statistically speaking.

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 You haven't debunked anything. You don't even grasp what I am saying well enough TO debunk me.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake ''yet we found that OUR needs were ignored''

look, that sucks, it really does and if I was alive at that time I would have honestly done the right thing. what you are saying is along the lines of some kind of vendetta. Like I already said, two wrongs dont make a right. we have to set a better example for not only ourselves but the following generations. There were also men who fought for womens rights, what you are saying again, is a slap in the face. you say one thing, and then you make these passive backhand statements. Like I already said, I know where this is going. Also, when I say the wealth is evenly matched, I mean with the GENERAL population, so your statement is not right. you said GENERALLY, there is a fixated amount of men who own wealth and the ones that do own the majority while there is a wide gap of everyday men who earn normal to dirt poor wages. I grasped everything you said, and most of what you said was wrong under any sense.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake ''We don't need your permission to fight for ourselves, and we don't owe you equal time. '' this is the exact quote I was waiting to come out. like I already said I knew where you were going. This is not about doing the right thing. you brought up what men did in the past to justify focusing on one group. you dont care about whats right, you are just trying to get revenge and be as wrong as the men who you talk about. for some reason I cannot mute this, but i know you will reply with more nonsense. I will not play your game anymore

[MlleCake]

@gaguser2453 See, that's where it would really help if you understood more about women's issues. It's not a vendetta. It's just us exercising our right. It's ok for us to focus. There are many ways to do right things. Feminist action is one of those ways. Just like it's right to vote, serve on juries, volunteer for Red Cross, recycle all your aluminum and put in a water wise garden and and and and and ad infinitum. For women to focus on things that concern us specifically is not to say no other issue in the world deserves attention. It is to say that OURS deserve attention. And so many are upset by this because it means the possible loss of privilege that they will derail, insult, slander, lie about, and trash feminism. they will say "oh I believe in equality" but when people are actually engaged in actions that bring about equality, they will vilify the activists, throw out red herrings and strawmen left and right.

It's not wrong for women to be for women.

[gaguser2453]

@MlleCake so looking at both men and womens issues and fighting for all rights means we are ignoring you? I know I said I was done but what the hell.

[gaguser2453]

no, most of us are not upset because we will lose anything. Most are upset because a lot of people who label themselves with your movement spew toxic crap. you know what, I really do have to get to my homework and this is really holding me up. goodbye

[Deathraider]

You can refer to yourself as a feminist, but I'll use the term Equalist. I don't want female right, I want everyone to have right.

[Izumiblu]

I just don't understand why supporting a woman requires you to be a feminist. Male feminists are just so... weak.

[cavmanier]

It doesn't. They've just unsuccessfully tried to hijack ownership of the concept.

[PatriarchalOppressor]

What it means to become a feminist guy: One must be extremely naive, easily brainwashed, totally gullible, easily manipulated and totally devoid of any knowledge of history whatsoever. To wit:

#1: Everything upon the earth was built by men. There’s not a single, substantial structure on the earth primarily built by women.

#2: It was men that were trafficked, exploited, used, manipulated, brainwashed and disposed of in all the wars for the advancement of women and the state.

#3: Men have always been primarily responsible for working the most dirty, most dangerous, most life shortening, most back breaking jobs, for the advancement of women and the state.

#4: Women demand quotas only in the most prestigious, most powerful, most lucrative positions and didn’t demand their place in employment until after men made work relatively safe, broken nail free and mussed hair proof.

#5: Men pay the majority of taxes, but the vast majority of spending on healthcare, welfare and education is spent at the state and federal level on women.

#6: The vast majority of alimony, asset division and child support flows from men to women.

#7: Trillions in wealth and power have been forcefully transferred, via state power, from men to women and the state through Affirmative Action, Title IX, alimony, asset division and child support (alimony++).

#8: Affirmative Consent – a feminist creation like no-fault divorce (legislation written by NAWL), seeks to remove men’s rights to presumption of innocence and due process at the behest of a woman scorned, on her word alone.

#9: Feminists, while standing tall against the idea of men defining femininity, insist on defining and redefining masculinity.

#10: Feminists claim sole ownership of victimhood and ignore the many benefits patriarchy has bestowed upon women whilst also ignoring the billions of male victims of gynocentrism.

I blame the liberal (socialist) schooling.

[Madi212]

As a female, I actually agree with this! feminists rant on and on about CEO positions in fortune 500 companies and equal female to males in government/grand court etc.
Why can't we just accept that at least in the western world, everyone has an opportunity to achieve what they want and do what they want regardless of which sex you were born? hell you can even legally change your gender now, so really what is all the fuss about?

[Bezbozhnikustanka]

Re: point 2, have you read about all the lesbian and bisexual women who fought for the Red Russians in the Russian Civil War? Have you seen photos of FARCEP guerillas, lots of women?

[TheOtakuMaid]

Yah no. feminism is the advocacy of WOMENS RIGHTS on the grounds of equality of the sexes.

Rights being legal which women have plenty of and in some cases more so than Men.

I stop at legal equality I am not in the game of fucking up the system or trying to rewire everything.

and equality of rights is not equal outcome its equal rules and base ability. all have the right to defense in the court a right to vote etc not having to have 50/50 representation in everything that is not equality that is dogmatic bullshit. i am not saying you advocate for that but their are plenty who do

[NerdInDenial]

You cannot really treat a feminist friend like a male friend because of toxic masculinity. The Orthodox feminists will say men can only be allies and not true feminists. It just seems like all responsibility rests on men; is this the implication that women require men's help and are too weak? Single mothers, just stay away.

[DonkeyRick69]

Does this picture show what it's lile to be a male feminist?

[Topkek1]

Seems about right. Being a white knight mangina is the worst thing a man can be, especially when he throws other men under the bus to impress women.

[DonkeyRick69]

@Topkek1 fortunately most women see true that bullshit. Even the most radical feminist will choose a mysoginst over a male feminist lol

[Topkek1]

Of course. It's not by coincidence that women choose douchebags/assholes over other guys, because it's in their nature to do so.

[MlleCake]

I don't entirely agree with the idea that there are no nice people. I think most people are. But I do appreciate your support of feminism and of women in general, and I encourage you to keep growing and learning. Your screen name makes me a bit leery that this is a troll post though.

[almadafie]

Alamadafie is Arabic, it means "the defender"

[MlleCake]

My mistake. I thought I read an entirely different screen name. Just forget I mentioned it.

[almadafie]

What did you think? It could help me with something.

[MlleCake]

I mixed you up with someone who was commenting on this thread.

[almadafie]

Ohhh

[cavmanier]

"But upon deep research into feminism, I have realized that even well developed countries where women seem to the have all the rights on paper, there is still need for feminism, a need for female empowerment, because women are still treated as objects, as lower in status even though they are making great strides in life"

Notice how you said 'women.' Feminism is proclaimed to be about people, but effectively it's really about women.

[Tanisha69]

"there are no such people as nice people, in my encounter of people who are simply nice, it turns out, they are usually very abusive people"

... dude thats messed up and you are messed up. join a church group or something. there are tons of nice people there and thats just one example.

[SaiyenBloodd]

I do not agree that people are not usually nice, but however I will agree with your feminist take.

I live in Canada and have come across few feminist men and let me tell you, the ladies love them for seeing them as an equal - as it should be so please dont let anybody tell you otherwise.

[rose004b]

It sounds like you're not a Westerner. Cause being a self-proclaimed male feminist in the West is just cringe.

[Phoenix98]

Well the only noes I've seen are special snowflakes, hippies or guys who can't get laid and think that if they support feminism women will sleep with them basically no one good.

[gaguser2453]

your priorities are jacked up and people like you are the prime example of whats wrong in todays world. what makes womens issues bigger than mines? do you know what I been through? my backround? the obstacles I face? do you know how hard I struggle? if not, then dont speak for men as a whole as I won't speak for women as a whole. Im not denying they have issues, but dont ignore mens issues either. it makes you look really ignorant and blind

[TheUsername27]

You are basically a cuck. And no I didn't read the post lol. You are that white hippy guy who is friends with a bunch of girls, some of which you fancy but they see you as just friends while they bang the dench guys at their local gym. I don't know your life story but there is a good chance I'm right lol.

[gaguser2453]

i dont think he is a western guy, but he made a outlandish claim of developed countries still needing that toxic movement

[nowhere_dani]

You make a very good point here about how friends should treat friends the same regardless of gender. I like that.

[RedVulcan]

Irrelevant and generally misinformed mytake. You didn't even bother to mention what country you're from in the article, and I can't go look on your profile.
Utter trash.

[Deathraider]

I know what it is. I'm not a feminist. I'm an equalist. Female shouldn't be discriminated, but they shouldn't be praised either. I know many of my female friends don't like the idea of feminism.

[10dsw]

Smart young dude here

[DanoMR98]

Feminism is a bad idea. Absolutely pointless. Women's status in society should be decided by the free market. If they deserve equality, the market will give it to them.

[Topkek1]

It means that you're a blue-pill mangina who's willing to throw other fellow men under the bus so you can impress women.

Pathetic, in other words.

[Ellie_copter]

I'll pass. That sounds very patronizing

[BackAgain]

I never really thought such a thing exist, interesting

[almadafie]

what do you mean?

[BackAgain]

Didn't know guys were feminist kinda like how guys are called misogynistic but hardly ever women are

[almadafie]

I've never really met another guy who is a feminist

[BackAgain]

Neither have I !

[gaguser2453]

why dont you see male fems? for the same reason that you dont see women fighting exclusively for mens rights. almadafie, you have done a disservice to yourself by making this a one sided issue. you dont know what men go through in ''developed countries'' unless you have lived in their shoes. If you think life of a man is so easy then you are sadly mistaken. maybe yours is, but dont speak for others.

[troychapman]

no such thing as nice people youv met the wrong people

[troychapman]

ok iv just read the whole thing those things come naturally in decency