"Now for my thoughts, I personally think it is pretty sad that any man would have to envision their female co-worker as a man in order to afford her the same respect and dignity that they would give a male co-worker. "
Absol-fucking-lutely!
If you're confused about how to not sexually harass a co-worker then there is something really wrong with your social skills and maybe working with others should be put on hold until you learn how to act like a civilised human being...
I think its really sad that women don't even see men as human any more. That's really the saddest part, they only see us as rapist and violent monsters. Maybe you women should try looking at men in the same way you look at other women, you know like a person.
@hellionthesagereborn it's sad you feel personally attacked and feel the need to respond to a perfectly reasonable statement with a tit for tat dig at women.
It is slightly amusing that you're asking for women to treat men like humans when they issue here is men not treating women just as people but as confusing breasted creatures who can't be worked with without bringing up sex.
"any man would have to envision their female co-worker as a man in order to afford her the same respect and dignity that they would give a male co-worker."
This is the number 1 statement proving a woman has no fucking clue how men interract with each other. Men fucking insult each other all the time. You women really get a light treatment alerady.
@FakeName123 what the fuck are you on about? This isn't about work jokes or messing about, fuck me I insult my staff more than anyone else - if someone overheard me I could be taken to a works tribunal... this is about people who are unable to treat a human normally... it's about women being treated differently to men for no reason. It's about men somehow being confused about what is and isn't sexual harassment in the workplace... it isn't about taking the piss out of co-workers... talk about missing the point.
Yeah that's not a thing. Men don't treat women that way in general. Now women? Well they absolutely treat men completely differently then they do a woman, they don't even see us as human beings, as you where so kind to prove. Stop with the victim complex, women sexually harass men all the time, the only difference is that no one will ever take a man seriously and when it comes to the work place over 80% of HR and HR management is female which as many men have noted results in their complaints mysteriously disappearing or being misfiled. So stop acting high and mighty, your not a victim, men are not evil rapist/sexist/what ever else you have decided all or most men are because fuck it why not. That's not how the real world works.
@hellionthesagereborn I am so bored of YOUR victim mentality hellion... It is literally all you go on about. I haven't treated men that way whatsoever or said I do all I have said is that if you have to really think about how not to sexually harass a woman then there's something wrong with you... And you've just gone off on one like you always do... Hyperbole... Making shit up to fit your strongly anti-female agenda. All you ever talk about is how awful women are... You really think you're helping anyone? I know you think you are but you just make crap up and rant about it until people can't deal with you anymore then claim some victory. I've done nothing even close to making out men aren't human... I swear you've posted o'm the wrong opinion...
I haven't got a victim complex at all but I do get treated very very differently at work. I'm fine, I don't give two shits and can stand up for myself but not everyone feels they can, men OR women.
@hellionthesagereborn in fact, reading back trying to see where you've seen me show I treat men like sub-human... I genuinely can't see... What I can see is you accusing me of calling all men rapists when what I said is if you can't talk to someone without sexually harrassing them then there is something wrong with you... You would disagree with that would you? People who think sexual harassment is OK are absolutely fine and well adjusted humans?
Hellion... If I liked you I'd be worried about you... You're a smart guy... This hate campaign against women is scary.
What victim mentality? You just stated men are not capable of understanding right from wrong and can't treat women like people. You just fucking said it! I just called you out for being the sexist bigot you are. Its no a victim mentality when some one says no, men and women are equally shitty, it is a victim mentality for a woman to claim that women are inherently victims and its all mens fault. What are you stupid? Can you not understand that concept? If you blame every one else, if you refuse to acknowledge that women can also be pieces of shit and that not all men or even a majority of men (or women) are truly pieces of shit human beings then you are by definition some one who is playing the victim. Own it. I mean jesus fucking Christ, if your playing a victim its not like your fooling any one that your not, just own it and move on. As for talking about how awful women are, no I talk about how awful feminism is.
I talk about how awful it is that women refuse to acknowledge that they are just as prone to wrong doing as men, that its awful that women just like you blame men as a whole for the actions of the very few (4% of the population is responsible for almost 100% of sexual assaults and rapes and that holds true for sexual harassment, very few men do it (and women)). I mean how do you not see the irony of claiming that all women are essentially victims (or at least the majority) and all men are the problem (or at least the majority), so much so that they are not even capable of regulating their behavior like normal human beings then turning around and claiming that I am the one who is being sexist? Think about that for a second.
As for treating men like sub human, um I just pointed out what you said, blaming men claiming that they are just not capable of doing the right thing without proper "training"(like this fucktarded "test"), that's where I got your view on men, you think where animals and your the victim because you have a vagina so of course you must be the perpetual victim as all beings with vaginas are. I think its absurd, women are not victims, victims are victims. Men are not animals who are to stupid or evil to understand the difference between right and wrong, bad people do bad things not men. That's all, you know saying that we are so equal that their are actually a lot of good men and women out their and their are equal amounts of bad men and women out their. You know, not being sexist, that's what I'm doing. You cannot say the same.
@hellionthesagereborn "I mean how do you not see the irony of claiming that all women are essentially victims (or at least the majority) and all men are the problem (or at least the majority), so much so that they are not even capable of regulating their behavior like normal human beings then turning around and claiming that I am the one who is being sexist? Think about that for a second."
Hellion... I honestly don't even know where you are getting this from - you MUST be on the wrong thread... where have I accused all men of doing this? Where have I said all women are victims? I haven't... not once... I didn't even use the word man... this isn't about gender at all it's about morons not knowing how to interact with people...
Show me where I accused all men of being sub-human abusers... SHOW ME... then look at your whining and tell me how you don't feel like a victim.
We have been here many times before, me and you... we've even spoken in PM at length and achieved nothing...
Because that was the whole point of the article which you agreed with at which point I pointed out that's bullshit then you responded, "they issue here is men not treating women just as people but as confusing breasted creatures who can't be worked with without bringing up sex." Which fairly bluntly states, again like the article was, that men as a whole have a problem seeing women as people because well their men and apparently we are all stupid and animalistic. That's the part where you said it. And again, the article was doing that and you agreed so, yet more evidence. As for being a "victim" well, you where stating how women are victims, I pointed out that wasn't the case and no not all men are just sexist sexually harassing pieces of shit. That's not being a victim that's just stating a fact. I was correcting you because you where wrong, no different then if you said the sky was green.
@hellionthesagereborn where did I say all men? YOU have assumed that because you LOVE the gender wars! Where does it say "all men"? Where did I say "all men"? The article isn't about ALL men... you're twisting things to fit your angry tyrade... calm down and just have a look at what has been said. I have said that people who can't treat other people like normal humans need to change. That those people have a problem, you are arguing against that. You're taking one point and sending it off on an assumed tangent to fit your anti-female narrative.
Why do you keep coming back to me? What do you hope to achieve? We never find an understanding, not even through private in depth messaging... I don't know why you're like this but I'm gong to ask you (again... because I've had to ask you before) to leave me alone. Don't make me block you again, just leave me alone. This is not a debate, this achieves nothing and never will and that's because neither of us can understand the other.
You assumed that I love the gender wars, I don't. Also I never said you stated all men, I said you stated "men" not some men not a few men, men which in language implies the majority. If I say "women are stupid" your not going to think I am reffering to one woman, or a few women, your just going to assume I am reffering to the majority if not all women. Do you know why that would be your assumption? Because that's what it means when you state the gender in that context. Its not a complicated subject, at your age I would have assumed you would have understood this because, well its a very basic concept of language. As for not understanding, no I understand you your just wrong. I mean I get it, your subject to a life time of social programming that tells you men are bad and women are perpetual victims, that men are nothing but walking dicks who can only think of sex and how best to oppress women, I understand that. I'm just stating that its incorrect and all data shows it.
if you where to say the sky is neon pink, I would tell you you are wrong. Its not that I would misunderstand you, its that what you said would be factually incorrect. That's all this is. I'm sorry that you cannot let go of your ideological beliefs in favor of facts, in that you are correct you will not change your view. But I still have to at least try to get you and others to see reason.
@hellionthesagereborn just leave it, seriously just leave it... please. I don't think you're a nasty person but you are full of it... just leave me alone, I'm asking you nicely (again).
@hellionthesagereborn rude? Telling you to fuck off would have been rude... You always do this it's like you're drawn to me... Each time I come back we end up in this exact same conversation because you're like a stuck record... So yes if you could manage to fuck off and stop talking to me that would be great... But I doubt it will happen.
If I was constantly around Dwayne the Rock Johnson and we became familiar with each other I'd probably give him a hard slap on the back/shoulder for fun when I'd see him.
I don't think I could do that with a female colleague. This life hack is therefore invalid.
Guys seem to already be getting it right based on what your article's author actually said. Guys now just never mentor a female in business and don't like being in an office alone
According to that silicone valley thing the issue is already solved. So why continue complaining?
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I could make a joke at the expense of women to Dwayne, I could whack him on the shoulder in congratulations, I could tell him he's a retard for his dumb idea. Picturing women as The Rock, isn't going to help me if they throw an accusation at me when I didn't do anything and *that's the real problem!* That's why the article mentioned the quote saying men are afraid to interact with female co-workers alone.
The problem is that there *isn't* a sexual harassment problem, but there *is* still loads of sexual harassment cases.
What if the roles are reversed a female co-worker flirts and teases frequently. Say you can tell she likes you. I know finding love at the office is so taboo and it not recommended, but people are people.
How do you separate the harassment from the genuine interest? I suppose you could just ask for a friendly date after work without the sexual part and see where it goes? (I think I just answered my own question).
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I've already solved the issue for me. I know I'm not very attractive so I ignore and refuse to deal with women in the workplace at all. That way, they don't freak out and turn me in to HR for talking about projects we're working on. They could easily misinterpret that to mean I'm suggesting we meet at her place and have sex. :D Nah, me and the boys hang out and get shit done while the women troll around looking for something to trigger their victim complex.
Good points. There is sometimes a double standard. SMART women won't have it. Dumb women will. Observe and filter. That's the method. For real, if at any time at an office a group of women are just staring at a guy like little puppies, I may have a bit of fun with it. Maybe go up beside and stare with them. Say something like "BACK OFF GIRLS! HE'S MINE!" Then proceed to go meet the guy they were staring at, have casual conversation and just hang out with him later so none of them have him. Just to f with them. That's what the get for judging by looks. If the vice versa happened, I'd still laugh my ass off.
This article sounds more like an ironic joke about how stupid men in the workplace can be. And I think if guys haven't learned to respect women in the workplace by the time they are old enough to be in the workplace, then they are not gonna try to envision her as The Rock.
Talk about missing the point... Jesus. You literally have to guide women by the nose these days in order for them to see your pov. Respecting women has NOTHING to do with our 'grievances' on this issue its women flipping their shit over every little thing or their interpretation of something to the point where we can't even talk around you.
The photo in the post itself, lady losing her shit because dude touched her shoulder. Apparently i'm a light stepper and women are always jumping when I enter a room or walk past them. Apparently touching this bitch on the shoulder is harassment now. Men should start writing anonymous letters to HR about women discussing their cycles, their dates last night, their tight clothing, their flirtatious hair flips, the height of their heels, their salad crunching, their shampoo etc are making them uncomfortable. Maybe then you'll understand.
@demonics That was an extremely disrespectful and misogynistic response. And I wasn't discussing men's "grievances" on this issue, because frankly I don't give a shit. I was responding to the OP and her post. Apparently you are too stupid to realize that when someone posts a response to someone else's post, they are responding to that poster only. Save your triggered bullshit for someone who gives a fuck.
That's stupid. Why would a man who genuinely doesn't respect women take these steps to intentionally respect them? And why would someone equate admiration and sexual interest for a person of the other gender with disrespect? It's just unprofessional to flirt with a coworker, not harassment. I dont think that who ever wrote this article knows a lot of men or has empathy for their psyche.
I dont think any woman want's to be seen as The Rock by their collegues.
That makes me want to touch her in a more rough and tough sort of way. A way that today's society would be seen as horrifying and offensive but back 20 years would have been seen as happy greeting among men.
The next concern is, why would I ask Karen out to coffee in the first place? She ain't all that.
This is what happens when shit gets out of hands. You can't even smile to a female coworker (or a stranger) or you're gonna get called out for sexual harassment. Just because a man is nice to you doesn't mean he's flirting and wants something out of you. So many women think they're the center of the universe and that every man wants to shag them. Get off your high horses because this is just hurting men and the relationship between men and women.
I work with a guy who is a bit touchy with people. Like touching your arm or your shoulder whenever he talked to you. Most people don't mind it, but I don't really like it. So when we were alone together I just asked him not to do it.
He hasn't done it since and we still get along fine.
I know there are some scumbags out there. But I think most people probably don't even realise they are making you feel uncomfortable and would stop if you just mentioned it to them in private.
I don't think it's necessarily an issue of men not knowing how to treat women, but more so men being afraid of being falsely accused of doing something, or having his intentions terribly misconstrued.
I think it's kinda shit to think that a guy would have to pretend women are men in order to be decent to them. It's pretty sad, but I'm sure that not a ton of guys would really have to do that, I mean I'd love to think they don't anyway
Men don't. The problem is women look at men as evil sexist rapist etc. so everything a man does is viewed as a negative. If anything women need to start looking at men like they do women in order to try and empathize with them becaues in most cases men do not sexually harass women, and women do in fact sexually harass men (I would say in equal numbers but frankly women can get away with it. I've seen it and know men who have had it happen to them).
@hellionthesagereborn I agree wholeheartedly. Women do get away with a lotta things that men couldn't do and it's not fair. Painting people with suck broad brushes isn't fair either though. Like I know that not all men are awful, nasty people, some are though. But some women are nasty, awful people too.
That's the problem in our society though. We paint men as evil and bad in general (as this post does by suggesting that men as a whole disrespect and harass women instead of a small minority of men) and then paint women as perfect and innocent victims as a whole (when in fact they are, as so many of these same women would say, "equal" and thus just as likely to do these things as men). The problem is we are biologically wired to care more about women then we are about men. From a biological perspective women dictate the speed of reproduction so if we have ten women and ten men and nine men die we can still produce ten offspring, but if nine women die instead we can only produce one and that's ignoring the long periods of dependency children have on mothers. So men are the disposable sex and its hard to send a man into a dangerous job or use him as a soldier/warrior and see him in the same way as you see a woman whom you need to protect in order to preserve the species.
That's also why when the titanic sank only 100 women died as opposed to the 1348 men who died. Women and men prioritize women and the expense of men and from a survival perspective this is perfectly reasonable. The problem is we don't acknowledge this bias in our society which means that women who are either full of themselves or intentionally malicious for what ever reason can exploit this biological bias for their own gain and since we don't talk about it no one questions her and simply assumes the worse in him (and men in general). That's why everything is focused on how bad men are and why women are always the victim even though women are just as capable of wrong doing as men are.
That's what I was reffering to when I stated that women need to start looking at men like they do women, in order to have the same level of empathy for them. We can't get rid of biases but if we know they are their we can mitigate the damage they cause, unfortunately in our society people have ignored this and allowed bad people to exploit this bias to their own advantage (or vindictiveness) which ends up hurting other women as now top executives do not wish to mentor women, they do everything in their power to avoid being alone with women and are very carefully what they say because they are just terrified that these women, if they so choose, can destroy them with just an accusation. This means that women are losing out because these kinds of connections are necessary to move ahead and learn.
@hellionthesagereborn hey man, we have to remember we live in the age where these two narratives clash. A) . Women have the right to be sexy and work as strippers and sex work. BUT... B) Men who fund the actual money making venture women embrace as their freedom of expression are sexist and objectify women.
As usually it's a system that says the man is wrong no matter what and the woman is always right, and STILL a victim even if she's working as a porn star.
Look at the Hugh Heffner drama, women claiming it was wrong that he created careers for these women. We still live in the age where women are saying men must make all their decisions or else the man is wrong for letting them make their own decisions.
And if The Rock asked you to reach something off a high shelf, or carry a box of papers, or open a pickle jar for him, how would you react? Laugh at a female co-worker the same way when she asks for your physical labor.
I studied and worked with dozens of women, some of them working for me, some reporting to me and some who were my pupils. I wasn't accused once. Why? I just respected them. Of course, I was better friends with some than with others, I had problems with their work sometimes I had to reprimand some but I respected all of them, all the time. And I listened when they wanted to tell me their problems.
One tip: Don't (try to) dip your pen in company ink!
What if the way you would talk to The Rock was like, "Hey, bro! How much do you bench? I want your biceps!" I doubt that will go over well with female co-workers.
Thank god I dont work in the corporate world, if i imagined all my colleagues as Dwayne Johnson Id be asking everyone CAN YOU SMEELLLLL WHAT THE ROCK, IS COOKIN? And probably get arrested for giving Carol in HR the people's elbow
Hint: harassment, by definition, is UNWANTED attention. If she is attracted to him and she enjoys his flirting, then it's not harassment now is it? But if she's a professional who's just trying to do her job and is having to fight off inappropriate remarks all the time, then yes it's annoying.
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"Now for my thoughts, I personally think it is pretty sad that any man would have to envision their female co-worker as a man in order to afford her the same respect and dignity that they would give a male co-worker. "
Absol-fucking-lutely!
If you're confused about how to not sexually harass a co-worker then there is something really wrong with your social skills and maybe working with others should be put on hold until you learn how to act like a civilised human being...
I think its really sad that women don't even see men as human any more. That's really the saddest part, they only see us as rapist and violent monsters. Maybe you women should try looking at men in the same way you look at other women, you know like a person.
@hellionthesagereborn it's sad you feel personally attacked and feel the need to respond to a perfectly reasonable statement with a tit for tat dig at women.
It is slightly amusing that you're asking for women to treat men like humans when they issue here is men not treating women just as people but as confusing breasted creatures who can't be worked with without bringing up sex.
Ahahahahah.
"any man would have to envision their female co-worker as a man in order to afford her the same respect and dignity that they would give a male co-worker."
This is the number 1 statement proving a woman has no fucking clue how men interract with each other. Men fucking insult each other all the time. You women really get a light treatment alerady.
@FakeName123 what the fuck are you on about? This isn't about work jokes or messing about, fuck me I insult my staff more than anyone else - if someone overheard me I could be taken to a works tribunal... this is about people who are unable to treat a human normally... it's about women being treated differently to men for no reason. It's about men somehow being confused about what is and isn't sexual harassment in the workplace... it isn't about taking the piss out of co-workers... talk about missing the point.
Yeah that's not a thing. Men don't treat women that way in general. Now women? Well they absolutely treat men completely differently then they do a woman, they don't even see us as human beings, as you where so kind to prove. Stop with the victim complex, women sexually harass men all the time, the only difference is that no one will ever take a man seriously and when it comes to the work place over 80% of HR and HR management is female which as many men have noted results in their complaints mysteriously disappearing or being misfiled. So stop acting high and mighty, your not a victim, men are not evil rapist/sexist/what ever else you have decided all or most men are because fuck it why not. That's not how the real world works.
@hellionthesagereborn I am so bored of YOUR victim mentality hellion... It is literally all you go on about. I haven't treated men that way whatsoever or said I do all I have said is that if you have to really think about how not to sexually harass a woman then there's something wrong with you... And you've just gone off on one like you always do... Hyperbole... Making shit up to fit your strongly anti-female agenda. All you ever talk about is how awful women are... You really think you're helping anyone? I know you think you are but you just make crap up and rant about it until people can't deal with you anymore then claim some victory. I've done nothing even close to making out men aren't human... I swear you've posted o'm the wrong opinion...
I haven't got a victim complex at all but I do get treated very very differently at work. I'm fine, I don't give two shits and can stand up for myself but not everyone feels they can, men OR women.
@hellionthesagereborn in fact, reading back trying to see where you've seen me show I treat men like sub-human... I genuinely can't see... What I can see is you accusing me of calling all men rapists when what I said is if you can't talk to someone without sexually harrassing them then there is something wrong with you... You would disagree with that would you? People who think sexual harassment is OK are absolutely fine and well adjusted humans?
Hellion... If I liked you I'd be worried about you... You're a smart guy... This hate campaign against women is scary.
What victim mentality? You just stated men are not capable of understanding right from wrong and can't treat women like people. You just fucking said it! I just called you out for being the sexist bigot you are. Its no a victim mentality when some one says no, men and women are equally shitty, it is a victim mentality for a woman to claim that women are inherently victims and its all mens fault. What are you stupid? Can you not understand that concept? If you blame every one else, if you refuse to acknowledge that women can also be pieces of shit and that not all men or even a majority of men (or women) are truly pieces of shit human beings then you are by definition some one who is playing the victim. Own it. I mean jesus fucking Christ, if your playing a victim its not like your fooling any one that your not, just own it and move on. As for talking about how awful women are, no I talk about how awful feminism is.
I talk about how awful it is that women refuse to acknowledge that they are just as prone to wrong doing as men, that its awful that women just like you blame men as a whole for the actions of the very few (4% of the population is responsible for almost 100% of sexual assaults and rapes and that holds true for sexual harassment, very few men do it (and women)). I mean how do you not see the irony of claiming that all women are essentially victims (or at least the majority) and all men are the problem (or at least the majority), so much so that they are not even capable of regulating their behavior like normal human beings then turning around and claiming that I am the one who is being sexist? Think about that for a second.
As for treating men like sub human, um I just pointed out what you said, blaming men claiming that they are just not capable of doing the right thing without proper "training"(like this fucktarded "test"), that's where I got your view on men, you think where animals and your the victim because you have a vagina so of course you must be the perpetual victim as all beings with vaginas are. I think its absurd, women are not victims, victims are victims. Men are not animals who are to stupid or evil to understand the difference between right and wrong, bad people do bad things not men. That's all, you know saying that we are so equal that their are actually a lot of good men and women out their and their are equal amounts of bad men and women out their. You know, not being sexist, that's what I'm doing. You cannot say the same.
@hellionthesagereborn "I mean how do you not see the irony of claiming that all women are essentially victims (or at least the majority) and all men are the problem (or at least the majority), so much so that they are not even capable of regulating their behavior like normal human beings then turning around and claiming that I am the one who is being sexist? Think about that for a second."
Hellion... I honestly don't even know where you are getting this from - you MUST be on the wrong thread... where have I accused all men of doing this? Where have I said all women are victims? I haven't... not once... I didn't even use the word man... this isn't about gender at all it's about morons not knowing how to interact with people...
Show me where I accused all men of being sub-human abusers... SHOW ME... then look at your whining and tell me how you don't feel like a victim.
We have been here many times before, me and you... we've even spoken in PM at length and achieved nothing...
Because that was the whole point of the article which you agreed with at which point I pointed out that's bullshit then you responded, "they issue here is men not treating women just as people but as confusing breasted creatures who can't be worked with without bringing up sex."
Which fairly bluntly states, again like the article was, that men as a whole have a problem seeing women as people because well their men and apparently we are all stupid and animalistic. That's the part where you said it. And again, the article was doing that and you agreed so, yet more evidence. As for being a "victim" well, you where stating how women are victims, I pointed out that wasn't the case and no not all men are just sexist sexually harassing pieces of shit. That's not being a victim that's just stating a fact. I was correcting you because you where wrong, no different then if you said the sky was green.
@hellionthesagereborn where did I say all men? YOU have assumed that because you LOVE the gender wars! Where does it say "all men"? Where did I say "all men"? The article isn't about ALL men... you're twisting things to fit your angry tyrade... calm down and just have a look at what has been said. I have said that people who can't treat other people like normal humans need to change. That those people have a problem, you are arguing against that. You're taking one point and sending it off on an assumed tangent to fit your anti-female narrative.
Why do you keep coming back to me? What do you hope to achieve? We never find an understanding, not even through private in depth messaging... I don't know why you're like this but I'm gong to ask you (again... because I've had to ask you before) to leave me alone. Don't make me block you again, just leave me alone. This is not a debate, this achieves nothing and never will and that's because neither of us can understand the other.
You assumed that I love the gender wars, I don't. Also I never said you stated all men, I said you stated "men" not some men not a few men, men which in language implies the majority. If I say "women are stupid" your not going to think I am reffering to one woman, or a few women, your just going to assume I am reffering to the majority if not all women. Do you know why that would be your assumption? Because that's what it means when you state the gender in that context. Its not a complicated subject, at your age I would have assumed you would have understood this because, well its a very basic concept of language. As for not understanding, no I understand you your just wrong. I mean I get it, your subject to a life time of social programming that tells you men are bad and women are perpetual victims, that men are nothing but walking dicks who can only think of sex and how best to oppress women, I understand that. I'm just stating that its incorrect and all data shows it.
if you where to say the sky is neon pink, I would tell you you are wrong. Its not that I would misunderstand you, its that what you said would be factually incorrect. That's all this is. I'm sorry that you cannot let go of your ideological beliefs in favor of facts, in that you are correct you will not change your view. But I still have to at least try to get you and others to see reason.
@hellionthesagereborn just leave it, seriously just leave it... please. I don't think you're a nasty person but you are full of it... just leave me alone, I'm asking you nicely (again).
No, you never asked nicely, you where rude and continue to be. However I am tired of this discussion so yes lets just end this.
@hellionthesagereborn rude? Telling you to fuck off would have been rude... You always do this it's like you're drawn to me... Each time I come back we end up in this exact same conversation because you're like a stuck record... So yes if you could manage to fuck off and stop talking to me that would be great... But I doubt it will happen.
If I was constantly around Dwayne the Rock Johnson and we became familiar with each other I'd probably give him a hard slap on the back/shoulder for fun when I'd see him.
I don't think I could do that with a female colleague. This life hack is therefore invalid.
Guys seem to already be getting it right based on what your article's author actually said. Guys now just never mentor a female in business and don't like being in an office alone
According to that silicone valley thing the issue is already solved. So why continue complaining?
I could make a joke at the expense of women to Dwayne, I could whack him on the shoulder in congratulations, I could tell him he's a retard for his dumb idea. Picturing women as The Rock, isn't going to help me if they throw an accusation at me when I didn't do anything and *that's the real problem!* That's why the article mentioned the quote saying men are afraid to interact with female co-workers alone.
The problem is that there *isn't* a sexual harassment problem, but there *is* still loads of sexual harassment cases.
What if the roles are reversed a female co-worker flirts and teases frequently. Say you can tell she likes you. I know finding love at the office is so taboo and it not recommended, but people are people.
How do you separate the harassment from the genuine interest? I suppose you could just ask for a friendly date after work without the sexual part and see where it goes? (I think I just answered my own question).
I've already solved the issue for me. I know I'm not very attractive so I ignore and refuse to deal with women in the workplace at all. That way, they don't freak out and turn me in to HR for talking about projects we're working on. They could easily misinterpret that to mean I'm suggesting we meet at her place and have sex. :D Nah, me and the boys hang out and get shit done while the women troll around looking for something to trigger their victim complex.
https://youtu.be/MpizkWEmg1g1. Be handsome
2. Be attractive
3. Don't be unattractive.
What I don't get is how women get a sexual harrassment pass. I see it all the time at work.
Good points. There is sometimes a double standard. SMART women won't have it. Dumb women will. Observe and filter. That's the method. For real, if at any time at an office a group of women are just staring at a guy like little puppies, I may have a bit of fun with it. Maybe go up beside and stare with them. Say something like "BACK OFF GIRLS! HE'S MINE!" Then proceed to go meet the guy they were staring at, have casual conversation and just hang out with him later so none of them have him. Just to f with them. That's what the get for judging by looks. If the vice versa happened, I'd still laugh my ass off.
This article sounds more like an ironic joke about how stupid men in the workplace can be. And I think if guys haven't learned to respect women in the workplace by the time they are old enough to be in the workplace, then they are not gonna try to envision her as The Rock.
Talk about missing the point... Jesus. You literally have to guide women by the nose these days in order for them to see your pov. Respecting women has NOTHING to do with our 'grievances' on this issue its women flipping their shit over every little thing or their interpretation of something to the point where we can't even talk around you.
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The photo in the post itself, lady losing her shit because dude touched her shoulder. Apparently i'm a light stepper and women are always jumping when I enter a room or walk past them. Apparently touching this bitch on the shoulder is harassment now. Men should start writing anonymous letters to HR about women discussing their cycles, their dates last night, their tight clothing, their flirtatious hair flips, the height of their heels, their salad crunching, their shampoo etc are making them uncomfortable. Maybe then you'll understand.
@demonics
That was an extremely disrespectful and misogynistic response. And I wasn't discussing men's "grievances" on this issue, because frankly I don't give a shit. I was responding to the OP and her post. Apparently you are too stupid to realize that when someone posts a response to someone else's post, they are responding to that poster only. Save your triggered bullshit for someone who gives a fuck.
lol I'm the triggered one? Not even women will co-sign this garbage.
*Also, we know you don't give a shit about men, it'll come full circle in a few years for you though!
That's stupid. Why would a man who genuinely doesn't respect women take these steps to intentionally respect them? And why would someone equate admiration and sexual interest for a person of the other gender with disrespect? It's just unprofessional to flirt with a coworker, not harassment. I dont think that who ever wrote this article knows a lot of men or has empathy for their psyche.
I dont think any woman want's to be seen as The Rock by their collegues.
That makes me want to touch her in a more rough and tough sort of way. A way that today's society would be seen as horrifying and offensive but back 20 years would have been seen as happy greeting among men.
The next concern is, why would I ask Karen out to coffee in the first place? She ain't all that.
I'm pretty sure this article must have been meant as satire.
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This is what happens when shit gets out of hands. You can't even smile to a female coworker (or a stranger) or you're gonna get called out for sexual harassment.
Just because a man is nice to you doesn't mean he's flirting and wants something out of you. So many women think they're the center of the universe and that every man wants to shag them. Get off your high horses because this is just hurting men and the relationship between men and women.
I work with a guy who is a bit touchy with people. Like touching your arm or your shoulder whenever he talked to you. Most people don't mind it, but I don't really like it. So when we were alone together I just asked him not to do it.
He hasn't done it since and we still get along fine.
I know there are some scumbags out there. But I think most people probably don't even realise they are making you feel uncomfortable and would stop if you just mentioned it to them in private.
I don't think it's necessarily an issue of men not knowing how to treat women, but more so men being afraid of being falsely accused of doing something, or having his intentions terribly misconstrued.
You girl just won the I understand the other sex award ! Keep the good work and spread your knowledge to nearby person if you can.
@BlueAndred Haha, thank you. :) I humbly accept this reward and will be sure to spread my knowledge.
I think it's kinda shit to think that a guy would have to pretend women are men in order to be decent to them. It's pretty sad, but I'm sure that not a ton of guys would really have to do that, I mean I'd love to think they don't anyway
Men don't. The problem is women look at men as evil sexist rapist etc. so everything a man does is viewed as a negative. If anything women need to start looking at men like they do women in order to try and empathize with them becaues in most cases men do not sexually harass women, and women do in fact sexually harass men (I would say in equal numbers but frankly women can get away with it. I've seen it and know men who have had it happen to them).
@hellionthesagereborn I agree wholeheartedly. Women do get away with a lotta things that men couldn't do and it's not fair. Painting people with suck broad brushes isn't fair either though. Like I know that not all men are awful, nasty people, some are though. But some women are nasty, awful people too.
That's the problem in our society though. We paint men as evil and bad in general (as this post does by suggesting that men as a whole disrespect and harass women instead of a small minority of men) and then paint women as perfect and innocent victims as a whole (when in fact they are, as so many of these same women would say, "equal" and thus just as likely to do these things as men). The problem is we are biologically wired to care more about women then we are about men. From a biological perspective women dictate the speed of reproduction so if we have ten women and ten men and nine men die we can still produce ten offspring, but if nine women die instead we can only produce one and that's ignoring the long periods of dependency children have on mothers. So men are the disposable sex and its hard to send a man into a dangerous job or use him as a soldier/warrior and see him in the same way as you see a woman whom you need to protect in order to preserve the species.
That's also why when the titanic sank only 100 women died as opposed to the 1348 men who died. Women and men prioritize women and the expense of men and from a survival perspective this is perfectly reasonable. The problem is we don't acknowledge this bias in our society which means that women who are either full of themselves or intentionally malicious for what ever reason can exploit this biological bias for their own gain and since we don't talk about it no one questions her and simply assumes the worse in him (and men in general). That's why everything is focused on how bad men are and why women are always the victim even though women are just as capable of wrong doing as men are.
That's what I was reffering to when I stated that women need to start looking at men like they do women, in order to have the same level of empathy for them. We can't get rid of biases but if we know they are their we can mitigate the damage they cause, unfortunately in our society people have ignored this and allowed bad people to exploit this bias to their own advantage (or vindictiveness) which ends up hurting other women as now top executives do not wish to mentor women, they do everything in their power to avoid being alone with women and are very carefully what they say because they are just terrified that these women, if they so choose, can destroy them with just an accusation. This means that women are losing out because these kinds of connections are necessary to move ahead and learn.
@hellionthesagereborn hey man, we have to remember we live in the age where these two narratives clash.
A) . Women have the right to be sexy and work as strippers and sex work. BUT...
B) Men who fund the actual money making venture women embrace as their freedom of expression are sexist and objectify women.
As usually it's a system that says the man is wrong no matter what and the woman is always right, and STILL a victim even if she's working as a porn star.
Look at the Hugh Heffner drama, women claiming it was wrong that he created careers for these women. We still live in the age where women are saying men must make all their decisions or else the man is wrong for letting them make their own decisions.
And if The Rock asked you to reach something off a high shelf, or carry a box of papers, or open a pickle jar for him, how would you react? Laugh at a female co-worker the same way when she asks for your physical labor.
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I studied and worked with dozens of women, some of them working for me, some reporting to me and some who were my pupils. I wasn't accused once. Why? I just respected them.
Of course, I was better friends with some than with others, I had problems with their work sometimes I had to reprimand some but I respected all of them, all the time. And I listened when they wanted to tell me their problems.
One tip: Don't (try to) dip your pen in company ink!
What if the way you would talk to The Rock was like, "Hey, bro! How much do you bench? I want your biceps!" I doubt that will go over well with female co-workers.
Thank god I dont work in the corporate world, if i imagined all my colleagues as Dwayne Johnson Id be asking everyone CAN YOU SMEELLLLL WHAT THE ROCK, IS COOKIN? And probably get arrested for giving Carol in HR the people's elbow
More mind games.
Just be professional.
Women don't mind being 'harassed' if he's good looking and rich. :)
πππ Bro be going hard with the truth.
Hint: harassment, by definition, is UNWANTED attention. If she is attracted to him and she enjoys his flirting, then it's not harassment now is it? But if she's a professional who's just trying to do her job and is having to fight off inappropriate remarks all the time, then yes it's annoying.
You mean "show interest". Not "harrased". I'm sure no man wants to be "harassed" by a good looking woman either.
How about women not construe everything through a filter of wondering if every interaction may be harassment.
I am pretty sure if you are actually being harassed, you will know it.
But then you can't stop whining and victimising yourself anymore.
@FakeName123 Oh, I am sure we can find something else to whine about it. Never doubt our ability to find things to bitch and complain about. ;)