Nuclear War With North Korea is a Possibility We Shouldn't Ignore

[GiggityGuy]

I had a Dream

I've never been a person that has a dream and says "this must mean something," but I had a dream last night that I've never had before. This dream was more real than any other I've had before and it simply felt prophetic, which has never happened to me before.

My family and I were outside when we heard five or six large booms. We looked up into the sky to see these massive clouds turn a burnt orange color and we could see the streaks shooting into the air.

In my dream, I knew exactly what they were (we live next to older nuclear silos) and a wave of extreme sadness hit us like a ton of bricks. We knew our lives would never be the same after launching those types of missiles.

Even though we knew exactly what they were - and assumed we knew their intended target - we took to social media to see if anyone was talking about it, and they were. We were launching preemptive nuclear strikes against North Korea.

We gathered our belongings and headed to our safe house out in the woods, far away from society, which ended up with us having to kill people trying to steal our stuff after some time

had past.

I woke up after this and immediately checked the news to see what was going on and what I saw saddened me even further: more military drills on the Korean peninsula as a response to the recent ICBM test from North Korea. More saber-rattling and more provocation on our part. And so it escalates.

Who is to blame?

This question is very hard to answer because it takes two to tango, but when one of the two has all the power, it's hard to fault the other, weaker person for a resulting military action.

And really, to understand this, we have to look to history and find out why North Korea has such animosity towards the US. The answer is pretty clear and pretty shameful, actually.

During the Korean War, the US killed nearly 30% of North Korea's entire population. In total, 3-4 million people lost their lives, most of those lives lost were civilians.

We - the US - dropped more bombs on North Korea in 3 years than we had dropped in the Pacific Theatre of WWII. We dropped more napalm. . . more everything.

In fact, we bombed so much of the country that we ran out of targets because, literally, everything had been destroyed.

This is something you aren't taught in school. Historically, the US history books don't reflect an accurate accounting of the devastating and heinous things that the US has done throughout history. When it does mention these things, it's glossed over quickly and much is omitted, leaving Americans to believe the US is always the "good guy."

The Korean War proves that the US is not even usually the good guy. This nation was founded on slaughter and we haven't deviated from that too much in the centuries since it was stolen.

But back to the original point: when we look at the relationship between N Korea and the US, we start to understand why N Koreans are so paranoid when it comes to the US. They hate us because of what we did to them, to others, and what they fear we will do to them again.

They are seeking nuclear capabilities out of necessity, not to destroy us. This has been their stance since the 50s and it hasn't changed. They fear the US and - from looking through history (and even modern times) - they have every reason to fear us.

So if someone were to ask me whose fault it is, I'd say - without hesitation - that it's the United States' fault.

The United States has the capability and ability to use restraint. We should also acknowledge the mistakes we made and work to build a relationship with them. If our leaders are unable or unwilling to do that then they shouldn't call themselves politicians, statesmen, or gentlemen.

Will it Happen?

No one but Trump or Kim Jong can answer this question, unfortunately. I do believe, however, that we are going to go to war with North Korea. Maybe it won't be nuclear, but given Trump's child-like temperament and that his whole world is driven by ego, I believe he'd want to try and make it as decisive a victory as possible.

Under Trump we have seen far more war games on the Korean peninsula than normal. We've seen more reckless missile launches than before and every time Kim Jong does anything, Trump feels the need to throw a tantrum like a child, call him names, and generally act like a fool.

I think if we had someone like Bernie Sanders in office, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now but Trump is turning this nation into the direction of war and militaristic authoritarianism.

Don't believe me? Add the removal of net neutrality, the removal of state's rights, the privatization fo the CIA & FBI (yes, they are looking into privatizing these two), state-sanctioned racism, a massive ego, and the willingness to detain 10s of thousands of "colored" folk and you have the recipe for authoritarian, corporate-controlled fascism.

What can I do?

It probably won't help much since neither the Democrats or Republicans ever listen to their constituents, but you should most certainly reach out to your representatives and tell them to vote against any resolution strengthening the ability for preemptive strikes against North Korea (or anyone else, for that matter).

You should also find a safe location where your family is to meet up should you become separated. You should stock up on the basic things you'll need like food, water, fuel, heat sources, and a means of obtaining food on your own. You should then have a plan in place so that you can avoid highly-populated areas in the event something were to happen. When people are in a panic, they will have no problem hurting or killing you to get what they need first -- don't believe me? Just look at how people act on Black Friday when there's a TV for 50% off. Imagine they're fighting over food or water and you know how they'll respond.

You should also arm yourself and have plenty of ammunition that will last you for a long while. Long-range walkies are a great idea as well.

You should speak with your extended family as well because there is safety in numbers and the more minds you have in a group, the more likely you will be to make it through whatever is to come.

I'm not saying it's going to happen for sure, but if you aren't ready for it when it does, you'll be the one on the losing end of interactions with those who are prepared to take everything that's yours.

And don't trust police and the military to take care of you because they won't. Most of them have been brainwashed to follow orders, even if that means killing Americans. They do it already.

Be safe out there, y'all. Call me a conspiracy nut if you want, but I'd rather be prepared and nothing happen than to have something happen and not be prepared.

Peace

[JustAnotherGirlie]

I mean I disagree with a few of your points but overall the US is very aggressive militarily and it is continuing to bite us on the butt. You aren’t a conspiracy theorist - you are correct.
This divide and conquer tactic is working VERY well in the US. We are our own worst enemy at this point. DPRK doesn’t need to launch ICBMs - we have domestic terrorists carrying AK47 who can get the job done.
And the militarized police force that these dumb #bluelivesmatter folks disregard is becoming a huge issue. These officers no longer serve in their own communities and there are 1000s of videos of corruption, taunting and blatant killings (execution style) of civilians. With few arrests or convictions.
We got random neo-Nazi assholes coming out of the woodworks like it’s the 1930s - shit is getting out of hand. And I’m honestly prepared for the worst - anyone with common sense can tell America is primed and ready for fascism. It’s already here

[jacquesvol]

Two rearded heads of state is a recipe for drama.
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[jacquesvol]

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[Js138]

You're definitely not alone. I too have always worried about the possibility of nuclear warfare. Its a terrifying thought. I've kept supplies in my basement for years just in case anything should ever happen. Better to be prepared than caught off guard.

[Js138]

Not sure why me keeping necessary supplies (like water, candles, blankets, etc) in my basement got a thumbs down. Being prepared for any kind of disaster, not just war, isn't a bad thing. You'll be the one knocking on my door should anything ever happen. Sorry, but you can't come in.

[GiggityGuy]

Yeah, I don't understand it either. Just another TrumpTroll trying to disagree with anything that may sound negative in any way to their Fuhrer.

[Js138]

Haha. I hear that

[Naydyonov]

North Korea is a shit hole while South Korea is a normal country.
War is war, and it wasn't America who started it.
As a person with a firm stance against phony wars (Iraq) I believe the war in Korea was just and think more troops should have been sent. 178 thousand died and Korea was split. I believe to achieve victory and take back the north would be viable and worth it despite the additional killed.

Now you have 20 million people living in shit.

[GiggityGuy]

You've been to North Korea? I'd love to hear about the time you spent in North Korea.

[GiggityGuy]

Oh, and btw: more than 178k people died in the Korean War, which is technically still ongoing, mind you.

There wasn't much else that could be done by us to the North Koreans. We killed 30% of their population and destroyed every city. I guess you believe we should've committed genocide against them?

Your hate for others is noted, by the way.

[Naydyonov]

My family lived under totalitarian regimes and it's not pretty.
178k were the allied KIA I'm aware.

You don't understand war do you? People die. 30% of the North Korean population is just that, but South Koreans aren't any less Korean than Northern ones. So the percentage of Koreans killed was much less. Also it's very easy to kill large percentages of small populations.

[GiggityGuy]

So you DID live in North Korea and are able to speak factually about life in North Korea. That's insane! I've never known a single person in my life that had ever visited, seen, knew of anyone from, or was born in, North Korea.

I'm very interested in hearing about your life growing up in North Korea, because all this time, the ONLY INFORMATION I ever had available to me was that which was perpetuated by people who had never in their lives visited North Korea or from people who visited North Korea for a week or two.

So since we have a North Korean here that can speak intelligently about North Korea, it's actually pretty great!

Please tell me more about your life in North Korea, because I really want to know exactly what kind of life you've lived since I've never believed 100% in the media propaganda that is presented to us in the US. Please, tell me more!!!

[Naydyonov]

Wtf?
No, but my family lived under a system similar to North Korea's, and it's terrible.
Totalitarianism is a quite horrible thing and it's what North Koreans under.
If you believe otherwise I invite you to emigrate to North Korea.

[GiggityGuy]

So you've never even been to North Korea?

Saying you've been to somewhere LIKE North Korea is actually quite BS since you've never been there in your entire life, so you don't have a clue what it's like being in North Korea.

Sorry, but you need to come back to a little place I like to call "reality," where you don't get to just make shit up as it fits your agenda.

[Naydyonov]

North Korea is a place where you are followed by government agents if you do something "skechy". The only rules of law are related to the government's power over the people, not vice versa.

I don't have to visit Africa to know that many people there are poor and starving.
Shit, I'll bet you haven't been to Korea either. Nor has the majority of the world's population, because they did a thing called "Fully closing the borders" in which the only way to get out is under bullets or if you're lucky somewhere in the wilderness.

[GiggityGuy]

There are millions of people who refuse to visit the US because they believe they will be shot by police.

Do you agree with that, being someone who lives here? Of course not, but they do. . . why? Because the news in their country tells them that it's true.

So everything you've stated about N Korea is based on propaganda and hearsay. You can't validate the information.

Comparing Africa to N Korea is actually quite ridiculous because Africa is pretty open about its current affairs - N Korea isn't.

Sorry, but that crap doesn't fly. You don't actually know anything about North Korea, aside from what someone else told you on the internet or TV.

And you know what they say about believing everything you hear in the news or on the internet, right?

Next.

[GiggityGuy]

And forgive me - it says you're from Canada. Maybe you've visited the US? Either way, the point is still the same.

[Naydyonov]

I love how North Korea was modeled in many ways the SU was under Stalin and somehow I don't know.
Let's see;
------------------------North Korea: Soviet Union:
Gulags: Check and Check
Totalitarian State: Check and Check
Secret Police: Check and Check
Freedom of Speech: Non existent and Non existent.
Lack of Products: Check and Check.
Famine: Check and Check.
In many ways it's like Stalinist ussr because Stalin helped create the country. Is it freer than media shows it -- I think so. Is it anywhere as free as America -- Heck no.

My teacher by the way visited North Korea, so he told us a bit about it. So my knowledge is not based purely off of the news.
The thing that allowed humans to progress in knowledge is books, which meant that not each person had to do a specific scientific experiment before continuing his quest for knowledge but instead can read about the experiment and how a few different people conducted it.
Your entire point seems to be; You haven't been to North Korea

[GiggityGuy]

Lol

You're the perfect Republican, Naydyonov. You should come join the Republican party, where facts don't matter and you can claim you aren't a racist by just saying "hey, I've got a black friend!"

[Naydyonov]

I don't support the Republican party.
I still haven't seen any counterpoints that state that what I'm saying isn't at least 50% true.
Have you or have your family members lived in a Communist totalitarian Regime?
China, Soviet Union, Cambodia, for example. Has anyone you know lived through the dictators or not?

[GiggityGuy]

I've countered all of what you've said with regard to the state of North Korea by simply explaining that you have no clue what it's like in North Korea because a) you never lived there and b) you have never even been there.

So, anything you 'state' about North Korea is opinion based on propaganda and nothing more. Anything I say about North Korea is opinion based on the understanding that propaganda is used on Americans in the US so things I read and hear within the mainstream are taken with a grain of salt.

I'm not saying North Korea is a great place to be, but I also don't believe it's as bad as the US govt wants us to believe. And to that end, I believe the US is solely responsible for the state of that nation given that we've sanctioned them since a truce was brokered between us and we have been relentless with making sure North Koreans are starving, broke, and sick.

[Naydyonov]

If you look at any state with a dictator they tend not to live too well.
Even China has Internet access, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela. Countries that are socialist or have authoritarian rule still let citizens use the internet, all but one country.
Not many people come from North Korea because they have this policy called "shoot whoever leaves North Korea".

A country with sanctions can still prosper to some extent, North Korea limits many freedoms and spends lots of money on it's military.
Truth is that many North Koreans know they live poorly and under a dictatorship and that's why they risk their lives to run away.

[GiggityGuy]

Those are some pretty broad brushes and strokes you're using there.

Sorry, but life doesn't work that way. You don't get to say "well these other countries like 'x' act like 'y' and since someone told me country 'z' acts like 'y', they must be the same."

Yeah, head back to college, broseph. Take a basic logic class, then come back and talk to me.

[GiggityGuy]

For the record, the US is turning authoritarian, spends more money than then next 8 countries combined, and it limits freedom.

And we're the ones forcing sanctions against them while trying to claim they are like 'x'? That just makes no sense.

The claim is that North Korea teaches their kids to hate the US, so they must be bad. Funny, because it was rammed down our throats in school that Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Socialism, Communism, and Russia is bad, bad, bad.

Then as an adult, you're inundated with claims about how horrible 'x, y, and z' are yet no proof is ever really shown.

Cuba is our enemy because they wouldn't capitulate to our corporate control. Fidel took over and the US lost its puppet - we've "hated" them ever since.

Same thing in Iran: the US & Britain started a coup, toppled a democratically elected leader, and installed a puppet regime who was then later toppled and now - all of a sudden - they're the bad man.

Pay attention, man. Wake up and smell the irony.

[Naydyonov]

If you don't think North Koreans live badly I don't see why you wouldn't like to go live there.
I have already said that I don't believe the media is accurately portraying the situation, however seeing the recent NK soldier's escape is just another event that highly resembles the Soviet Union. Especially considering that Stalin was the one who helped create the regime.
"For the record, the US is turning authoritarian, spends more money than then next 8 countries combined, and it limits freedom. "
I don't disagree, however America is still among the freest countries on earth.
"puppet regime who was then later toppled and now - all of a sudden - they're the bad man. " Of course, they did it themselves. I think Saudi Arabia is much worse, however the thing both these countries share is an ideology that restricts many freedoms and believes in this thing called Jihad.

[Naydyonov]

" Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Socialism, Communism, and Russia is bad, bad, bad. " Propaganda is propaganda, however the thing it got right is that Communism is bad, socialism is also often not very good.

In pretty much all Communist countries you had the following; Famine, Political repression, Camps, Firing squads, mass executions, secret police, unlawful arrests and seizure of property.
So no, I don't feel too confident in the communist system. I'm sure 2 of my family members felt the same way when one had to escape from a Gulag and the other was sent to one and was never heard of again.

[GiggityGuy]

No, sorry, but that's false. Communism isn't bad, the people who take charge are bad. Socialism isn't bad when the people who take charge aren't bad.

The same as guns not killing people, because people kill people.

[Naydyonov]

I agree, in a perfect world communism is quite good. But we're far from perfect, and Communism only brings out the worst out of people as seen numerous times already

[HamAndCheese]

It's simply not likely. There's no chance at all that the US would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on North Korea. And there's no chance at all that their missiles would make it through our missile shield. Our biggest concern would be them setting off a bomb when our forces are trying to storm Pyongyang, and of course that they'd likely flatten Seoul immediately with artillery.

[GiggityGuy]

Sorry but you're wrong about that. We preemptively attacked Vietnam after creating the false flag known as the Gulf of Tonkin.

And no, that's not a conspiracy - they have released documents proving that they knew nothing happened in the Gulf.

That's called a preemptive strike, H&C. We've done it before - we'll do it again.

[HamAndCheese]

We attacked Vietnam and Iraq with nuclear weapons? That's news to me.

[GiggityGuy]

Technically we did preemptively attack Iraq with nuclear weapons - just not the kind one associates with nukes, but produce radioactive fallout, nonetheless.

Besides - this is Trump we're talking about and these guys keep bringing up the nuclear option, which means they want to use them.

Not to mention, we didn't attack Vietnam over them trying to produce nuclear weapons, nor have we ever attacked another nuclear power. North Korea does have nuclear capabilities, which changes the whole dynamic of the situation.

[HamAndCheese]

"This is Trump so somehow that means he's going to start a nuclear holocaust because reasons." I think your dislike of him, which may or may not be valid, is so severe that it is negatively impacting your ability to think critically and reasonably on the matter. It's akin to people who thought that President Obama was going to open up death camps. And exactly, North Korea has nuclear weapons, which changes the whole dynamic.

[GiggityGuy]

Liking or disliking - in this regard - is irrelevant. Trump's temperament is what's at issue here and that has nothing to do with whether I like him or not, which I do not, but only because of how childish he is.

People with Trump's temperament do crazy things. They're prone to going to jail because of their outbursts and actions that occur in their manic state, which Trump is often in.

So like or dislike - doesn't matter. I didn't like Bush but I wouldn't have worried about him wanting to nuke anyone. I didn't like Obama and I wouldn't have worried about him nuking anyone.

Trump? Yeah, he's definitely someone that will be willing to nuke someone, just because he can.

[HamAndCheese]

Yeah, no. Your dislike is very clearly crippling your ability to think critically. Ergo it's relevant.

[GiggityGuy]

I voted for Trump. So why you assume I have some intense dislike for the guy 'just because' blows my mind.

In fact, that I am able to see the truth through my own mistake of voting for Trump, makes what I say even more relevant.

You're being a political hack and nothing more.

[HamAndCheese]

Because this tier of alarmist behavior can only be explained by some sort personal issue. Put simply, you are simply not thinking straight if you think that Donald Trump, based on some arbitrary metrics such as him being catty on Twitter, is going to spark a nuclear holocaust with the potential to kill billions. Again, it's literally up there with, "Obama is gonna put us all in FEMA camps" and, "Obama is a Muslim from Kenya." They're grossly exaggerated statements made by individuals who are not thinking rationally and at best engaging in colossal leaps of logic.

[GiggityGuy]

This has very little to do with his Twitter tantrums, although that certainly does speak volumes about his character. This has to do with Trump's actions and decisions since becoming President.

This guy is working to hire a mercenary company to run covert operations for him directly, in an effort to destroy the "deep state" (read: US govt).

Trump demands total loyalty without any criticism, although with some he is a bit more lenient. He's an authoritarian. He's an egoist. He's a racist. He's also very violent in thought.

If that isn't enough to believe he'll start this war then you really haven't had an objective view about his recent actions and decisions. Oh, and I almost forgot - the man is a pathological liar, so there's that. . .

[HamAndCheese]

Again, you're not thinking rationally. Your engaging in massive leaps of logic. "He is a meanie poopie head... therefore he will launch ICBMs at North Korea" makes no fucking sense. It simply doesn't. It's a non-sequitur. It's very clear that your personal issues with him are clouding your ability to think rationally. Frankly, I doubt you voted for him. That claim simply seems dubious and I'd like to see some proof of it. Not that it really changes the substance of the argument which is that you're trying to connect dots over vast distances without any of the in between needed to connect them. The fact is that even if he is an big, fat, dumb, ugly, stupid, meanie head, that still doesn't explain exactly how a nuclear war is going to come about. If I told you, "JFK's decision may start a nuclear war" I could provide a clear line of logical thought to explain it.

1. Soviet ships head for Cuba.
2. JFK doesn't back down AND doesn't come to the negotiating table with Premier Kruschev.
...

[HamAndCheese]

3. The US Navy collides with the Soviet Fleet.
4. The two engage each other and war breaks out.
5. Both sides launch pre-emptive nuclear strikes.

That's proper logical thinking applied to geopolitics. This, is not...

1. This person in my opinion has bad personality traits.
2. Therefore they will launch nuclear weapons.

Please don't reply until you've learned basic logical thinking.

[GiggityGuy]

You claim to understand logic while using a strawman to make your point. Not only is it a strawman but it's a hypothetical that is talked about in the very post you are commenting on.

As for you not believing that I voted for Trump and needing proof: https://imgur.com/a/6SwRo

Antiestablishmentarianism is my Disqus username and you can see that I say the same things about him a year ago, as well as denounce Hillary as the crook she is.

And it's quite telling how much of a political hack you are that you find it hard to believe that anyone of my ideology could possibly have voted for Trump. It's not surprising that you can't believe it since you likely just vote straight down the party line "R" when you vote, because you don't follow politics or understand the people you're voting for enough -- you just know you hate those "other people."

I'd laugh at you making a fool of yourself but you probably also don't realize how rude you were being when asking for proof. Ah well. There u go.

[HamAndCheese]

Wew, way to deflect.

[Cursewords]

No one is ignoring the very real possibility that this guy is a maniac, but at the end of the day the US, NATO, EU, etc. no one can do anything until/when/if he strikes first.

[Anonymous]

who was it that recently said if hillary was voted in, wed be in a war.. was it susan sarandon, or something?

[GiggityGuy]

I agree with that sentiment, which is why I didn't vote for Hillary, nor would I ever.

But that doesn't absolve anyone else from the blame because you want to push all responsibility onto someone who isn't even in power.

[Opinion Owner]

im just making a point that, both of them, are likely going to get us in to a war. He can't shut up, and susan apparently thinks she was "too much trouble"

[Opinion Owner]

i voted for her, not him. he's just a dumbass