Yes, Feminism IS Still Necessary; Just Not in the Ways We Think (Page 2)
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A better definition for feminism is: "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes." But even this is deceitful. If anything, feminism strives to achieve a minimum superiority for women. Here's an example: More male executives-problem, males make more money-problem, more men in tech-problem, more homeless men-who cares, more male suicide-so what, more women graduating college-good! So, as you can see Feminism wants women to dominate anything good and to be left out of anything bad. If equality was was goal, they'd do more for boys and men, but they operate under the pretense that women are constantly being oppressed even though they aren't in the West. And honestly, nobody is arguing that women need more rights in the Middle East and Africa, where women are not allowed to be accompanied by a man and not allowed to drive.
So you are completely going to skip India and show a map labeled by an Indian that shows their arch-rival Pakistan as bad?
They recently released a movie called Padmavat. Look it up and look up what it glorifies. If you think the suicide in 12 reasons why was bad, you won't believe what this movie shows and exactly how it shows it.
India invented Honor Killing, another practice called Sati and the REAL practice in Padmavat called Juhar and the still ongoing and practice of bridal dowry. All are Hindu culture.
India is in the continent of Asia. "Let's look at the Middle East, or Africa, or Asia". I didn't skip over India.
India isn't in that list and the list was made by an Indian. India is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse for women than Pakistan (at least Karachi, Hyderabad, Islamabad and Lahore).
Asia isn't a country... It's a continent... As is Africa...
*Face palm*
Pointing to the DEFINITION of feminism when ALL the actions of the group PROVE the opposite is like having a club called Happiness and the definition of the group is to go around spreading happiness to everyone, but the group itself does nothing but beat people up, then when someone points it out the group simply ignores ALL the actions of the group and says "The definition say it spreads happiness".
Feminism is a hate group, it has always been a hate group, it's loudest and most famous voices have always been man-haters. Solanas, Dworkin, Greer, Steinem, etc. The actions of the biggest groups like NOW and the "UN women" have suppressed men's issues and rights constantly.
So NO "If you support equality- you're NOT feminist."
People who support equality do NOT do the evil shit that feminist commonly do, then shame and attack those who point it out.
Saudi Arabia just recently allow women to drive... think about that.
Women aren't allow out of the house if not accompanied by a man in some Middle East countries.
Nor are they allow to dress how they desire and beaten by their husbands if they disobey or piss him off.
And education is restricted for the female gender.
I think its a personal responsibility for both man and woman to speak up for the oppress around world via in person or through the web.
As I have said before, there is a major difference between a bitchy and unruly feminists and a woman that cares for the oppressed and tries to advocate freedom and equality.
I’m glad to see someone who knows the difference, and doesn’t let the crazy radicals generalize the many.
It's basic logic. The guys on GAG have some serious issues with women advocating for themselves for to be what's fair and right.
All feminism is toxic. Even with first wave feminism, many of the feminists wanted to destroy the family unit and encourage other women to leave their husbands, give up on motherhood, and become slaves to their employers. I do not believe that feminism is about equality. I'm surprised people still fall for that. Feminists claim they care about men's rights, yet do nothing to help men who are disadvantaged, such as fathers rights. Feminism is a cancer to relationships and a cancer in society. I will never support it.
Just thought I'd let you know when feminism was essentially created or should I say the first official meeting was held, 1/3 of the "feminists" walked out and refused to have anything to do with them because of some of the reasons you listed. So yeah 2/3 of them were toxic and the toxicity spread to the point where finding a virtuous feminist is almost like trying to find a virtuous Nazi these days.
I agree mostly. The only thing i disagree with is first wave feminism criticism. Women would not have a voice or a right to vote
I Agree, the term has lost most meaning and is just an excuse for sexist to lash out on men. People don’t take It seriously anymore because of that. Actual feminism isn’t needed much. Only for very tiny reasons. Most things people argue that needs to be changed is either incorrect or the information was from the 1950s
This Take was about how feminism is needed in the Middle East. It’s still very much needed in other regions.
I would have to disagree with your second claim. Furthermore although women in Middle East countries have very strict policies such as wearing a hijab, having to walk to areas with a man, having to use differnt churches and buildings specified by gender, or the issue with buying able to drive. Most of this was described by women of those countries as a way to help protect the women from men. And that most didn’t mind it. so unless the have a problem with it I don’t see why you’re bringing up an issue that’s won’t help.
I’ve seen thousand of women who don’t like it. It should be an option, not a choice.
Well you can’t change it so why bother? This isn’t your country (atleast I think it isn’t) so let them do them.
I disagree. You CAN change it if you're an American through voting. We're the most powerful country and world police so what we say goes, if we wanted it we would get it. We probably wouldn't do it but if we were to threaten sanctions and told our allies to do the same I bet we'd see radical change in some of these countries very quickly. I hate trading with countries that lack very basic freedom like this... but at the same time I've never protested trading with them or enlisted in the military while advocating a war.
@Gray-Wisp you really think that our country area for a mostly Muslim country where most of the 911 suicide pilots came from? Let along start a war just to change some of their laws?
You sound like a reasonable 1st/4th wave feminist and not like the insane 2nd/3rd wave ones. Most people would agree with your points but most people would also think of the crazy 2nd/3rd wave feminists when you call yourself a feminist, unless you first differentiate yourself from them that is.
Feminism means to treat the female kind as equals, it's focused to females because we are the weaker gender by nature and haven't been treated correctly in the past. If you don't like what I just described then I consider you to be a person whom has a problem with women for no reason.
Feminism is cancer
You state categorically that "we are the weaker gender by nature". Yet you demand that you be treated as equals to men in all regards. Isn't that kind of counter-intuitive? And isn't that the exact opposite of meritocracy?
@SinghSong she’s speaking of physical attributes.
Yes we need to address the gender gaps in certain sectors such as nursing, teaching, childcare, adminstration, social services, psychology, human resources etc and get women into more male dominate sectors such as refuse collection, mining, construction, sewer worker, pipe laying, electric cable laying, military infantry roles, farming etc
#equalitynow
This map is highly inaccurate. Philippine and Rwanda as the best? Syria, Morocco, Lebanon as worst? Someone doesn't know about these countries. Not too sure about Chad and Bosnia. I think I know some best countries for women like Japan which is not listed and worst country for women which is North Korea and Saudi Arabia which is not listed.
I once attempted to be a feminist but to be honest I could probably never be. Women disgust me and they're always so jealous, bitter, salty and competitive, I can't deal with it
That's the best definition for women I've ever heard
Feminism ruined relationships. Now women are expected to go dutch and pay half of all bills on top of do traditional roles. Feminism caused the legalization of baby killing. Feminism and its active pro hook up culture has ruined the stability of relationships and marriage and increase fatherless homes. WE DO NOT NEED FEMINISM ANYMIRE WE HAVE OUR RIGHTS TO VOTE AND WORK ANYWHERE.
Did you... read my Take? Like, at all?
Yes but new wave feminist hate men. And feminism is no longer needed. The word just needs to die off
Now feminism IS NEEDED in Asian countries, the middle east, and africa. But america doesn't need it anymore.
Thats exactly what I said.
Feminism is dead, in western countries at least, first because of the lack of real reason to exist, but also because it turned into a man hating movement, more busy at finding way to subdue men than doing anything for equality.
And it's the fault of "true" feminists who aren't speaking up to stop them. They're louder and therefore, more effective. They changed feminism, and now, they're the real feminists, the one politics and medias listen to. It's over, they won.
That’s the thing, feminism isn’t/shouldn’t be a movement. I regularly try and speak up against third wave feminism, because they give feminists such a bad rep. But I agree, it’s become such a man-hating thing in the media, people forget men deserve equality too.
Actually, feminism started as a movement so that is definitely what it IS and SHOULD be.
she says definitively.
Okay. There are feminist academics advocating for the sexual assault and abuse of males. Delegitimjzing male suffering as not counting because men experienxe it differently.
When that changes we will talk.
I am not on your side.
I never said men don’t suffer. I actually wrote a bit about it when typing this, but took it out because I wanted to focus on the ways countries outside the western world treat women.
What are you talking about, definitively? I never said men don’t suffer.
There's nothing feminism can do that human rights can't do better, faster, more fairly, more equally, and more thoroughly. Feminism is, and always was, obsolete. It is also cancer.
Feminism isn’t a movement like human rights is. It’s a belief that fuels movements like human rights.
You comparing it to something that kills people makes everything you said invalid however.
Feminism kills braincells, that's pretty close to killing people. And it is a movement. Always was. Was also always an obsolete movement. Just because you don't want to think of it that way doesn't make you right. Feminism is cancer.
Right, there isn't only one type of feminism but some men are extremists like nazi used to be and they're in denial of everything called feminism because they are afraid of losing their old male privileges, you will see how many are here by the down votes:)
Jibber jabber that doesn't even understand a word of what I'm saying and down vote my opinion out of ignorance lol
THERE ISN'T ONLY ONE TYPE OF FEMINISM AND IF YOU BELIEVE SO THEN YOU'RE A CLOSE MINDED NAZI PIG. YOU LOSE. GET LOST:)
So what makes you so high and mighty that you know how other cultures should organize their societies? This is the kind warped thinking that led us into the disastrous Iraq War and the rise of Isis! And how many bombs should we drop to achieve your righteous feminist aims? All I'm saying is that you'd better be damned careful about what you wish for! Think about it...
Absolutely necessary as long as some men cling to the idea of patriarchy
Feminism is HORRIBLE!!! It always has been and Feminism IS a dirty word.
Anyone who identifies as a Feminist has got something SERIOUSLY wrong with their mental state or their cognitive abilities.
NO ONE needs Feminism.. Ever. At. All.
So the women who aren’t allowed to leave their house without a man with them... they don’t need equality?
Of course they need better treatment, who said they didn't? Why the assumption that the only way to get equality is through Feminism?
I'm not name calling or trying to be nasty but.. Since you went straight to the assumption that being anti Feminism = anti equality, well.. that kind of opinion is a bit bigoted no?
I mean Feminism has never been about equality, just look at the fruits of it's work, it's history, it's leaders and icons, and the ideology taught in Women's studies and in Feminist books. Being about equality is the feel good propaganda they use to sell their hate to the well meaning but witless masses aka the useful idiots.
You don't get equality through ideological movements like Feminism, those movements ALWAYS!! end up tyrannical and often worse than what they replaced. You get it by fighting 1 issue at a time based on rational morality and argument, the same way Gay rights came about is a perfect example of what I mean, and there are plenty of others examples.
So I think these are the benefits of feminism that I see; and that is, I am fully aware of how women actually view me, I am fully aware of the legal landmines of a woman, I value freedom more than ever, and I think single is the new normal and trend.