New Abortion Law Essentially Okays Crimes Against Women (Page 2)

[RolandCuthbert]

Why are you anonymous? If you really think you are right, come out and debate.

I think until there is some way to stop forcing people to the extremes in this debate, abortion rights supporters will continue to lose.

You don't like the new abortion law, yet every time I talk to a supporter the just seem to be unreasonable about the whole thing.

Everyone should want to see less abortions. I don' t know why your folks won't concede that.

[Kitty46]

I don’t like killing of unborn children, but it’s the woman’s body to choose, she should have rights. Are we living back in time? Why men want to control women? I guess 2019 is REALLY the 1930s - the 60s. What if the women have mental illness, mental illness is a serious disease, what if she wants to kill her child, people hear stories about young mothers killing their babies. What if there disabled women that not mental & emotional can take care of a child, I cannot, cuz of my disability & I have Aspergers, I wanted a child when I was much younger, but I wanted a child for the wrong reasons too. If women get pregnant & men don’t want their children, they have to pay child support. When men & women have sex, they should both be responsible for having sex, teenagers thinks sex is fun & games, they shouldn’t have sex if they can’t handle it.

[winterfox10]

Okaying crimes against women and outlawing Abortion entirely, are two totally separate things. This take presupposes that the only value a woman has is in her ability to reproduce, but we know now that that simply isn't the case; women contribute a lot more to society than the fruit of their loins.

Now, if we assume that a woman is a lot more than a wet, fleshy test tube with some eggs in it; we see that Alabama's laws are NOT in fact okaying crimes against women, only a heavy-handed attempt to quell the statistically uncommon post-rape abortions.

[Factshurt90]

I’m celibate and I have a 10 year IUD that is 99.9% effective. I’m stopping this entire shit show...
I can’t get pregnant if I’m not fucking, hell if I get raped It’s still a rare chance I’ll get preggo there because of my IUD. This entire situation is a shit show...
It really shows the character of the people. Lots of people pretending to love kids but don’t do SHIT for the under priveledged.

[CaptainSmartass]

Well, from what I understand, it doesn't justify or allow those crimes. They're already offences under separate laws. This just restricts abortions, which is a related, but ultimately separate (in the eyes of the law) matter. I'm not condoning this law by any stretch of the imagination, let me make that clear, but rather stating the facts.

However, I have no opinion on this law, as it doesn't affect me at all, but yeah, it is controversial. No denying that. It also makes Alabama look pretty bad...

Simples...

[bamesjond0069]

I agree with abortion from rape. Yes its still murder but its the rapist causing the situation and ultimately responsible. The woman just happens to be in a position to be a good samaritan if she so chooses. Its just like if someone robs your house and you pull out a gun and shoot them but your bullet goes through the intruder and hits someone down the street. Its really the intruders fault not yours and some states reflect this in law.

I don't think incest warrants abortion. If the girl is very young she can't consent and its already statutory rape boom. If she is older and doesn't consent its rape boom. If she is older and consents its not rape and the child should be born she is just as at fault as the man.

[IdentetarianimSucks]

Okay, first off. How would you feel about having the brains litteraly sucked out of your head followed by the rest of your limbs in a Freddy Kreuger-esqe fasion merely because of who your parents were or because your dad got meetoo'd because that is the proposition you are making to pro-lifers.

Now I get it, you believe the government is in a place you don't like. If you break it down the pro-gun movement has a lot in common with you.

When I can build a full auto capable AKM as a hobbiest without the police giving too much of a crap as long as I've got the correct papers. Then I can support abortion.

[mycatsanoyingaf]

I'm pro life and think they should separate the rape and incest and make those abortions legal. But tbh I don't think that's what most people are fighting for. They're not saying " make rape/incest abortion ilegal" they're saying "legalize abortion, my body my choice". in my opinion for people having consensual sex the choice made was clear. You have have all these people fighting for different things and from different perspectives there's no focus on what most people can agree on that rape/incest abortions should be well within reason to have and be free and readily available. Some pro lifers disagree with that and yes its horrible a life has to be destroyed because of it, but a rapist shouldn't be allowed to freely spread their genes and the victim should be the one with the decision.

[morimeme1]

It is because people understand that if abortion was legal only in the cases of rape and incest, many would lie about it, rapes are often not provable, people often choose not to go to the police after rape but they would once they find out they are pregnant, there would be a bunch of new problems without considering that if you are really pro-life then you should not make such exceptions as that is in no way the bebies fault, why would a rape baby deserve to be aborted any more than a regular one? That is why people are not just fighting for the exception but legal abortions as whole.

[mycatsanoyingaf]

in my opinion not reporting rape is a big problem that should be fought also. I can't imagine people living with themselves without reporting it. But if someone did lie about rape wouldn't it just be disproved from a DNA test of the baby? Or the opposite and use it as evidence (as bad as that sounds) ?

[morimeme1]

DNA tests are pretty costly and well, getting the baby's dna is pretty risky at such an early stage as well.

[Number39]

No it's not a crime against women it's a crime against women if anything it keeps them in check from spreading their legs everywhere in the case of rape then it should be fine and justified to have an abortion because it was unwanted in the first place as for regular sex/ incest well thats your fault and you should live with it. Idc if this post offends women.

[Moonchild714]

Do you have a Brain snd Know what Incest is? It's a family member Raping Another Family member, rarely is it consensual. Nobodies talking about Kissing Cousins you Moron!!! Children can't give Consent!!! A Brother, Father, Uncle has sex with a 13 year old girl you really think she said Yeah Daddy, Uncle, Bro Fuck Me? If you think this way you are a Sicker than the Perpetrators!!! Or is that what you tell yourself so you can sleep at night?

[Number39]

@Moonchild714 First off incest is simply having sex with another family remember it doesn't have to be rape so knowing this the rest of that you wrote is pure nonsense.

[Number39]

@Moonchild714 Fail lol

[Number39]

Member*

[Moonchild714]

Number39, are ypu saying a child can give consent to have sex? Family members are usually the people raping children under the age of 16 the most!!! Usually a Father, Uncle, Brother, Cousin and usually older in the case of brother and cousin!!! So it's Rape!!! Girls don't want sex with their family members they are groomed into it!!!

[Number39]

@Moonchild714 No because I never brought up children and sex, We are talking about incest not rape, And what about those older sisters that want sex with their little brother? Yes that exist and there are plenty of stories behind that. Stop using straw men arguments in order to prove your point although you are only proving how much of an idiot liberal you are.

[Number39]

The way you think is completely toxic and not even funny anymore if you think this way go to your local feminist site and complain about it otherwise if you aren't going to bring a decent argument to the table don't even bother replying because i'm not going to entertain a 47 cat lady with a child's point of view.

[Moonchild714]

You're the child who hasn't lived yet!!! And the older sisters who want to have sex with their younger brothers are Raping them. This about the girl getting pregnant. The older sister, cousin, Aunt, or Mother gets pregnant they can prove the Rape and Charge and Convict them, but the victim shouldn't be violated by the System!!!

[Number39]

@Moonchild714 You are correct as i'm still young it's almost sad that i'm more knowledgeable then you you if you believe this is a crime against women. Also using exclamation points only make you come off as a rage generator.

[Moonchild714]

I never said it was a crime against women. I said the system is violating victim again. I use to think I knew it All when I was your age, then I grew... Keep coming back Sweetheart...

[Number39]

@Moonchild714 You realize you already made irrational and nonsense statements so to be honest the one who keeps coming back with more stuff (Although the same material) is you I never proclaimed to know everything but I know whats a crime and what isn't. The first reply I got was about rape something that wasn't even bought up by me.

[_Tou24che_l]

So in that case, you're OK with resenting women and men beating and killing their children, leaving them in dumpsters/on the side of the road, selling them into sex slavery, etc. Good job. I bet you feel SO in controlled of women now huh. This is so helping women lol. Good job man

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l Again another straw man argument I never mentioned that I was ok nor did I even bring any of those points up for that matter the more that you try to justify your answer with such garbage. Is this how you defend your point of view with complete unrelated nonsense?

[_Tou24che_l]

Unrelated? Lol dude, resenting parents do not love their children. Parents who never wanted their child do not love their child. Of course, some may learn to but most will not. Why do you think so many children are killed by thier parents, they never wanted them. But believe what you want dude. The children will suffer as you people pretend you care so much about to leave them with parents who didn't want them

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l So killing them is a better alternative?

[_Tou24che_l]

Of course not. There need to be a long conversation between the people and law makers and new laws in place to help the children and parents. New laws all around from genuine people who are not men and women who are obsessed with controlling women. That is their agenda, not the child because there are no laws in place to help these children after they are born. Too many things are happening to these children and all cannot be helped. That's what i care about. I am pro-choice because I understand that most parents who plan thier children will love and care for them. These new laws are helping bad parents be parents and the children are the ones who will suffer and it's sad because no one thinks about this part, all they care about is the fetus being born not the aftermath and what would happen to the child

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l Although you make a good point the whole idea i get from this is people need to stop using sex as a mere feel good experience and actually take caution just like when these guys and women take off or don't use condoms at all.

[_Tou24che_l]

Again, that is a fairytale because it will NEVER happen. People will have sex no matter what you, me, lawmakers, thier parents, etc say. The children should not suffer through because they will after they are born. people think making the woman have the child will cure her of bad parents syndrome? No, She will hate that child. Of course not in every case but most. There are too many instances of this its hard. I can go on and on about this for real because this is real and it impacts unloved children

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l If thats all then we can get back to the topic that outlawing abortion is not a crime against women nor does it make it "okay crimes against women" you still have not justified how this is true.

[_Tou24che_l]

Well it should be a crime to force a woman to push a baby out of her vagina if she doesn't want to. And rapists being allowed to have children is disgusting. Will they also share the child with the mother? I'm sure men would love that

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l It's not about rapist stop bringing them up and no one is forcing her to open her legs so why should it be illegal to force her to have that child she had sex for? No matter how you put it the law that they are trying to put in place is for the better it will teach women to take responsibility for their actions thats all I have to say.

[_Tou24che_l]

Take responsibility? Lol you're delusional. The child has to be healthy to live right? The mother cannot do drugs while pregnant right? She has to take vitamins for healthy baby growth right? She has to eat properly right? Who says she'll give a crap? See you don't think. The mother is still in control. I see this all the time. The mother most likely has to want the child to care about the child.

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l Responsibility is delusional? Sounds about right because the idea of women taking responsibility for once is a crime against them all you are doing is proving this point by trying to justify murder if this is the case then women don't need to vote anymore tbh you are far to irrational to make decisions. If you believe abortion is fine then you go ahead and believe it thats all I will say.

[_Tou24che_l]

I did not say abortion is fine. I am making arguments to show you that forcing women to have children will not fix your problem with women

[_Tou24che_l]

but it will instead create bigger problems

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l No you completely tried to justify it reread your own post it only causes problems because women don't like responsibility and only want to reap the benefits of equal rights.

[_Tou24che_l]

Omg get some common sense dude. Yes I am pro-choice but only because you people think forcing a woman to have a child is ok

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l What? You just sat here and tried to justify why abortion should not be illegal how are you pro life exactly?

[_Tou24che_l]

Dude I am not pro life lol

[Number39]

@_Tou24che_l Well i'm pro-life obviously.

[_Tou24che_l]

I'm aware. I inferred that based on what you been saying

[SpiderManFan2002]

So basically, a doctor who has worked hard throughout their life, who has most likely saved a number of lives throughout their career, has a higher chance of going to prison if they stop a cell from developing than a rapist, who has left a woman emotionally scarred, maybe physically damaged and who is potentially going to hurt more women?

What a world.

[lacaras]

The punishment for acts of violence such as rape are still severe, but I'm open to increasing the punishment for rape in particular as it's one of the worst acts someone can do to someone else. But in my view if we are considering an unborn baby a life, it's wrong to kill it. Just because the baby was made through a horrible crime doesn't make it less valuable of a person, it's not the baby's fault. I understand the emotions here, but two wrongs don't make a right.

[voxleo]

"... if we are considering an unborn baby a life..."
That is a pretty big "IF" right there. I, for one, do not, so we have the crux of the problem because I believe it is terribly wrong to force pregnancy on anyone even at the cost of the potential life that would probably result. It isn't even a certainty that it would be a successful birth. The life that already exists takes precedence.
"Just because the baby was made through a horrible crime "
The baby would be made through the body machinations of the pregnant woman if she would allow it. The horrible crime is what initiated the unwanted process of parasitic growth which will deplete her energy and derail her life direction.

It's not the woman's fault the process was begun. It's not a wrong to correct a body hijacking.

[lacaras]

The 'if' was kinda the point of my comment, obviously by that I meant only if you consider the unborn baby a life, that is after all the crux of the abortion debate. My comment was about whether it's okay to abort a baby made through rape, not about abortion in general, I'm really just pointing out that you would be logically inconsistent if you think abortion is okay if the woman was raped, but not okay just for the convenience factor.

[JDavid25]

The word play and extremes used here and through the media are hyperbole at best.. LOL.. It's play to emotional impact, and deception really to say that them makin abortion illegal is okayin crimes against women.. Especially since most women who get abortions wasn't from rape.. And also women who were strong enough to have a baby from rape, probably don''t regret it.. I know my sister is one.. And so was my grandmother on my father's side..

[voxleo]

Forced pregnancy is classified on the United Nations website section about genocide prevention and the responsibility to protect in Article 7, Number 1, Item G in the definition of a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. un. org/en/genocideprevention/about-responsibility-to-protect

[JDavid25]

@voxleo Yeah but they never said force pregnancy wasn't a crime, just that they prohibit the crime of murderin a little human bein because of said force pregnancy... After you are pregnant.. It's more than just about you..

[Anonymous]

It doesn't decrease punishment for rape and other crimes. I oppose the bill based on its real content, but if you set up the question like this you're making me side with Alabama.
Just like I opposed Brett Kavanaughs nomination based on his judicial record, but the left yelling that he's guilty until proven innocent, because his accuser has a vagina, made me side with republicans.
And that is a repeating issue. I generally agree with the left on the majority of issues, but this social justice propaganda and identify politics is the dealbreaker.

[VaIiant]

Someone tag @OlderAndWiser to this.
You said “a rape victim can take Plan B, she can make decisions”. And this entire thread was about rape victims- your COMMENT was. Aren’t we only speaking to rape?
You’re disgusting for trying to force a woman who was violated to be reminded of that rape daily.

[Riggers]

''Its myyy bodyyyy my rightsssss im a human beingggg i deserve respecttttttt''
''I dont care about the living body of my baby its not a human being and it deserves noooo respectttt''
- Retarded Pro Choice people.

[Shutupman]

It’s not living if it can’t live outside of the womb. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[Riggers]

@Shutupman But its still living INSIDE of the womb. If you abort a baby, You are ending an existence. there is no 2 ways around that. Abortion is ending life.

The moment some whore decides to put a dick inside of her and let him fill her with jizz, And her eggs get impregnated she, She has obligated herself to either murder her unborn child or to have the child. Personally i don't agree with People murdering other human beings because its inconvenient for them and theyre too fucking stupid and lazy to cover the consequences of their degeneracy.

[Shutupman]

It’s not considered alive. You consider it alive but that is your personal opinion. If it is alive why can’t it live outside of the womb. I do not agree with late term abortions for that reason.

Also why are you only blaming women? Men are just as accountable for unsafe sex. Not to mention birth control fails. A fetus has human DNA, that’s about it. Just like sperm and egg cells contain human DNA. Abortion should not be a way of birth control and I do not condone unsafe sex, however abortion should remain legal. Abortion has been around for a very long time and will always continue to happen regardless of the laws.

[Celtero]

@Shutupman You might not consider it alive but biology would classify it as alive.

Hell, look at the definition of "alive."
"(of a person, animal, or plant) living, not dead."

You even proved it living yourself, if it is outside of the womb, what does it do? It dies. You have to be alive in the first place to be able to die.

[Shutupman]

@Celtero the definition of being alive according to biology is actually marked by 7 specific conditions that need to be met.

Would you consider a person that is brain dead alive?
Yet turning of the machines would mean that person dying too. I do not consider someone brain dead alive. It’s just a shell.

[Riggers]

@Shutupman The sickening morales of whores knows no limits. Lmao. Abortion should be banned. Dont want to be in a situation where you need an abortion? Dont be a slag.

[Shutupman]

Nice try at a burn. I’m married to my first partner. If for some bad luck I turned out pregnant I’d get an abortion as I wouldn’t want that kid to grow up in foster care knowing it wasn’t loved and wanted.

[Celtero]

@Shutupman The difference is there's no coming back from brain death. Eventually the fetus will be a human and have a life of it's own.

Instead it's like if someone is in a coma. Yes, they're just a shell, but there's a good possibility that they'll wake up and continue their life one day and that's why we shouldn't kill them.

And what conditions does a fetus not meet?

responsiveness to the environment;
growth and change;
ability to reproduce;
have a metabolism and breathe;
maintain homeostasis;
being made of cells; and.
passing traits onto offspring.

[Shutupman]

@Celtero depending on what stage; an embryo is not responsive to the environment. It is not able to reproduce, it does not breathe etc.

Essentially you are stopping a progress of growth. That’s what abortion is.

[Celtero]

@Shutupman It can reproduce eventually. The same genes it has will be able to be passed down through reproduction.

And think about it... can most old people reproduce? No, they're infertile at that point. Does that mean they're not alive? What about animals who have been spayed or neutered. They can't reproduce so does that mean they're not alive?

And are you willing to bet that it doesn't respond? You think if you changed the temperature or pH of the womb that it wouldn't react to adjust in some way? And it manages somehow to get from the fallopian tube where fertilization occurs to rest on the uterine wall. Isn't that reacting to its environment?

It might not use it's lungs, but it does have a metabolism and use oxygen. Fish don't have lungs, does that mean they're not alive?

[Shutupman]

@Celtero according to what you just wrote sperm and egg cells should be considered alive too. It’s just a matter of conception and time to grow then right? It’s not the fetus that moves it’s the woman’s body that makes that’s happen. How does it use its lungs? As far as I’m concerned they are filled with fluid and only start working after birth. Fish use their lungs, but in a different way, they filter out the oxygen out of the water.

[Celtero]

@Shutupman Whatever. We could go on forever but it seems you're determined to be pro abortion.

Anyway, here's a picture of a newborn kangaroo.

[Shutupman]

@Celtero pro choice. And I’m fine with people being pro life as long as they don’t force it upon others. And that kangaroo pic is creepy 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Celtero]

@Shutupman It's not really about choice though, is it? You're advocating for the freedom of abortion, hence pro abortion.

[Shutupman]

@Celtero why would it not be a choice? The choice to continue the pregnancy or terminate it.

[_Tou24che_l]

So in that case, you're OK with resenting women and men beating and killing their children, leaving them in dumpsters/on the side of the road, selling them into sex slavery, etc. Good job. I bet you feel SO in controlled of women now huh. This is so helping women lol. Good job man

[DianaWest]

@Shutupman i don't understand. a fetus that is 8 and a half months old, 3 weeks away from being born, is not a "human?" is that correct.

[Shutupman]

@DianaWest no it is human. I mentioned that before.

[Shutupman]

@DianaWest the big difference is that at 8 months it can live outside of the womb and at 14 weeks for example cannot.

[Riggers]

@_Tou24che_l Where in the absolutely fucking fuck did I ever fucking say I’m okay with any of those things you fucking spastic?
How the fuck did you go from me saying abortion is wrong to apparently me agreeing with murdering kids and dumping their bodies in dumpsters? Are you a retard? Did you take drugs before you came on here? Are you hallucinating things I never even remotely mentioned?
Idiot

[_Tou24che_l]

I'm pretty it's INDIRECTLY! Are you donating to orphanages and adopting kids who are put in those situations AFTER they are born? No because all you people care about is the fetus being born after that, you don't care what happens to them. THAT is why you support those things besides it was a fucking question, can you not read dimwit. It's so clear you people ONLY care about the baby being born not after. Gosh I swear you anti-choice people do not think logically at all. All you people care about is obsessing over controlling women than caring about the wellbeing babies AFTER they are born. You're so stuck in your own idiotic opinions that you can't even think objectively what i am saying

[betaTester]

This law actually makes it possible for men with undesirable traits (deranged, insane, schizo, low IQ, various physical deformities etc.) to spread their genes to the next generation: just be strong enough to overpower a woman and impregnate her!
Alabama upheld its tradition to support devolution of humans. It's basically interfering with natural selection.

[Anonymous]

No, rape is still illegal. But abortion rights make crimes against defenceless and innocent children legal, as long as they are young enough. And a significant proportion of babies murdered by abortion are girls (sometimes only because the parents don't want a girl), so abortion rights make crimes against girls legal. I don't understand how can we live in a world where a significant proportion of people supports legalisation of premeditated child murder. Many of those children that are aborted already have cognitive functions and feel pain and fear. In many countries abortion is even legal up to the birth - and there is virtually no difference between a child one day before birth and one day after, but if you kill a child one day after birth you get the death penalty, but if you do it one day before birth it's perfectly legal. We are truly living in a horrible world.

[MackToday]

The "pro life" crowd are about like a lot of the far left types, fanatical and not rational. I've never been able to figure out their conflating a fetus with a baby or worse a fertilized egg with a baby, it's not rational or sane. It's as nuts as calling a man dressed up like a woman a woman or insisting on "pronouns" such as zir, zee , potato etc. Fucking nuts.

[patrickjvv]

You forgot the state legislation in Alabama made it a felony, so in addition to getting punished for abortion, you lose your voting rights.

But anyway, the federal courts will strike it down in the coming month, and even a conservative majority of the supreme court won't dare touch Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey.

[blythely]

This is Grade A level cow excrement as trolling.

Make shit up. Whine about it. Demand other people pay for your other shit. Noice.

Let's extend choice from the start of a person at conception all the way into the first century of that person.

Death to the inconvenient (actually Hitler)

Death to the useless (also Hitler)

Isn't narcissistic utilitarianism awesome?