I've heard in recent years by women that men are only good for our money , babies , child support and jail. This seems to be a growing belief among women. Why? This is sad. Where has love , relationships and family importance gone? I would like to to find a good woman but I've heard these statements from many women and in the news with the pro feminine movements and anti man movements. This is why I'm single and it's very sad and terrifying 😢
It makes perfect sense for a woman to have kids young if she can. Why wouldn't you want to spend as much time with your children as possible? If you have them at 40 instead of 20, ignoring pregnancy complications and other issues, you lost 20 years of time with your children.
Yep, also when her kids move out you she isn't super old, still able to hike a mountain... Maybe kill some sort of wild animal and cook it over an open fire
What they want is to be attracted to the partner, but the ways they find the man attractive are plentiful and varied, different to how men see women. Men are VERY visual while women can be attracted in many different ways
I'm not ugly, I'm YOOOOOOGLY. Nevertheless, I'm attractive to women. Male attractiveness isn't based on looks except for the most shallow, vapid, worthless of women.
@Porcelaine men are attracted to womens morals and personality. Pleasant, caring, good mom abilities, doesn't believe in casual sex. A girl like that with normal cute looks would beat out a hot girl who is none of that. For sure.
@bamesjond0069, WOTWOTWOTWOTWOT? Are you saying that if a woman starts her personal ad with "A man who finds a wife finds a good thing." men might be INTERESTED in her?
Well, that does sort of explain how I first became interested in my wife.
You think its either money or looks for attraction? Sad. I did not mean money when I said there are many ways to attract a woman. I did mean physically, it's just a woman is turned on by so much more than just looks, a man needs a good visual to be turned on, a woman does not there are many other ways. Personality is the most important
@Porcelaine here is the confusion. Feminine men pick masculine men and vice versa. Its everyone else its not clear cut. Now most men are not very masculine these days but for some reason they still find feminine women attractive. Ultra feminine women love clear cut traditional gender roles. And so men get aggravated at them because yes they do prefer financially stable men. But these are the same ones that if they land these women they bitch about them being gold diggers.
On the other hand you have the modern woman with a career and such who wants a man more successful than her and a leader of men making more change in the world than she does but that is going to be more masculine men and masculine men typically go for feminine women. Now when these women sometimes land these men they get upset wondering why he cheats and looks at other women and its because he is attracted to femininity of which they aren't overly feminine.
It would be 1 million times easier if those who believe and fit strict gender roles stuck to each other and those who didn't stuck to each other. But it seems no matter what happens a successful strong leader of a man masculine guy will always be most attractive to most women and a sweet innocent young very feminine woman will always be most attractive to most men.
@bamesjond0069 wrong. Stop looking at attraction like it's math. Typical male mindset, so logical. In this case you need to analyze it from psychological point of view, not like its a statistics graph lol. I don't know where you got this idea that the more feminine the woman the more masculine man she wants and vice versa, that is not true. Opposites not always attract. And everyone has different ideas on what is masculine and feminine anyways. You are so fixated on those two words that you are missing out on the rest of qualities that attract people to eachother.
@Porcelaine its common sense. If a man is strong and works hard to be a provider her is doing that so he can protect and care for a woman. If a woman is weak and not trying to be a provider it makes sense she would want a man to do it. From my experience this is true. Im very masculine and very feminine women are all about me. Its the "normal" typical ones who tend to have problems with me. Sorry im paying for a date, im carrying anything heavy, im carrying a gun because its my responsibility to protect you, im going to lead the interactions. Period. So women who like that like me. Women who dont like that will disagree and its not fun to hang with them for me or them.
@UncleJessieRabbit no specific examples most famous people are terrible examples. Id say the number one thing is to be responsible and be a leader. This can manifest itself in physical health and wealth. It can be in learning how to shoot and be able to defend oneself and family. But a man shouldn't be paralyzed by fear. This can show itself as standing up for beliefs even when people come at you. It can also be not letting a little danger keep you from something such as riding a motorcycle. But maybe its something else. I just listed some common ways masculinity shows itself in certain behaviors but each man will show it in many different ways but the same concepts of responsibility leadership and a bit of fearlessness are some core aspects for sure.
@Porcelaine i can say the same thing : a woman can be attractive with her personality, men dont need visual simulation. Just because we say it doesn't mean its true
Women and men are equally attracted to physical appearance
@Routt5 yes, look around in town, so many gorgeous girls with less than average guys, and they're ain't rich either, they just know how to seduce a woman and treat her like a lady.
@Porcelaine you shouldn't listen to what people say but rather how they act
Most people react very differently to a very good looking person vs an ugly person. Just look at any Youtube video with a good looking celebrity like Henry Cavill, all the women just says how beautiful he is etc
I dont listen to what people say but watch how they are acting. Wtf does people reacting to beauty and youtubers or celebrities have anything to do with this. Yes people will look at them and pay compliments but they will pay attention and compliments to any other good trait you have. Only very vain people want people for their looks or treat them differently for their looks also. You are fixated on teenagers mindset. Grown ups want so much more than that. Yes they will look at a beautiful person if they pass by them, but believe me, no matter how good looking they are once you get close to them and get to know them well that beauty no longer has an effect, only their character keeps someone around.
Girls cannot say yes to everyone. Guys with Good personalities and good looks get rejected often. Guys who you think are studs get rejected often also. Because everyone has their own preference. People need to have chemistry to want eachother. And no matter how good looking a person is, chemistry ONLY comes from character. That's why so called ugly guys get the good looking girls. They know how to attract a woman, how to talk to them, tease them, push their buttons, yet respect them at the same time. They just know a way around a womans mind and thats why they are so attractive. People use whatever gifts they have to attract someone. Stop looking at what everyone else has that you might not and start improving yourself where you feel good in your own skin and confident. Confidence is the sexiest trait a man can have. A pretty face won't make up for that
@Routt5, I get it, you have extremely LIMITED experience and no actual knowledge of the wider world, and you're such a stupid loser, total waste of DNA, that you think that your LIMITED experience is the total sum of all possible reality. Game is game, and if a man has game, he gets hot women. It's not my fault you are surrounded by superficial little girls and not grown women.
@Routt5, you're an inbred moron, that's plain. I don't blame women for anything. I do say that women who are superficial shits (you) are superficial shits. I never said that all women are superficial shits. Indeed, I stated that an actual grown woman, not some pathetic little superficial shit of a girl (you) looks beyond a little boy being merely "hot" and wants something SUBSTANTIAL from a real man. But a childish, inbred, inane, stupid, superficial little shit (you) can't handle that fundamental truth.
I get it, you're losers, LOSERS! I am ugly. I have game. I get hot women. But a loser non-man and a superficial little bitch are too stupid and out-of-touch to admit that I can exist.
I get it, you're a pathetic little non-man who can't handle the idea that you're such a total 100% LOSER in all aspects of life. Poor little non-man. So, what next, incel? You going to go MGTOW?
@Routt5, sorry, the fact that I'm honest and call out worthless little shits says nothing about my personality. You're shallow. You're just a shallow little girl who will whine and pule about how "there aren't any good men" in a few years. You'll die as a cat lady.
The fuck? No this is a lie, god dammit, if all women only wanted men becouse of money they would all be hoes, I do not like hoes, all their good for is farming, as for women, yeh I guess that's true, but there's more to it you know?
My opinion is that each sex is really only out to impress members of their own sex and that’s how they get their self worth. But they blame the opposite sex for their own problems.
I personally just like to be with somebody that isn't acting, and is truly who they say they are. I dont care if they're more rich than Steve Jobs was, I prefer personality.
He's right but you have to look beyond society and human squabbling to nature and evolution. Women are only fertile for a short period. Marrying and having children young makes perfect sense. As to human opinions they come and they go.
I see it as a individual plans and dreams. If women want to work they can. If women want to stay home and rasie kids they can. If women want to do both they can.
Yes, you will find advocates and shaming for and against most types of sexuality since. 1. it is a primal urge thusly garners a lot of emotion 2. we are enough diverse as species to have differing opinions
I believed all of those equality stuffs , but in reality I have seen girls mostly go for old guys and money. I didn’t care about beauty and loved someone she went for a guy 10 years older with nothing in common . I guess I don’t care anymore.
Great philosophy for them but one big problem while most girls want to have kids young no man is in a financial position to do so and support both children or the wife.
@UncleJessieRabbit It is unfortunately but because of social standards being a man has economic responsibilities its at the point where economics is basically part of the definition of a man.
@UncleJessieRabbit Unfortunately yh but they dont realise is because theyre not us they dont understand that we can't afford dating and a mortgage and a a wedding like all of these things we can't do I honestly dont know what will happen at this rate.
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Too long didn't read but fuck babies i ain't getting fat for a baby that has my genetics shared with some idiot that I sleep with... ill adopt maybe
I've heard in recent years by women that men are only good for our money , babies , child support and jail. This seems to be a growing belief among women. Why? This is sad.
Where has love , relationships and family importance gone?
I would like to to find a good woman but I've heard these statements from many women and in the news with the pro feminine movements and anti man movements.
This is why I'm single and it's very sad and terrifying 😢
It makes perfect sense for a woman to have kids young if she can. Why wouldn't you want to spend as much time with your children as possible? If you have them at 40 instead of 20, ignoring pregnancy complications and other issues, you lost 20 years of time with your children.
Yep, also when her kids move out you she isn't super old, still able to hike a mountain... Maybe kill some sort of wild animal and cook it over an open fire
Well its wrong for starters
Both men and women want an attractive partner. To think that women somehow cares less about looks then men is the biggest lie ever told
What they want is to be attracted to the partner, but the ways they find the man attractive are plentiful and varied, different to how men see women. Men are VERY visual while women can be attracted in many different ways
I'm not ugly, I'm YOOOOOOGLY. Nevertheless, I'm attractive to women. Male attractiveness isn't based on looks except for the most shallow, vapid, worthless of women.
@Porcelaine men are attracted to womens morals and personality. Pleasant, caring, good mom abilities, doesn't believe in casual sex. A girl like that with normal cute looks would beat out a hot girl who is none of that. For sure.
@bamesjond0069, WOTWOTWOTWOTWOT? Are you saying that if a woman starts her personal ad with "A man who finds a wife finds a good thing." men might be INTERESTED in her?
Well, that does sort of explain how I first became interested in my wife.
@Porcelaine everyone wants to be attracted to their partner
Sure a man with money or status can be used by a woman but only physical mutual attraction is real attraction (as well as personality)
Having a woman attracted to you for your money must be the worst feeling in the world and id rather be alone
You think its either money or looks for attraction? Sad. I did not mean money when I said there are many ways to attract a woman. I did mean physically, it's just a woman is turned on by so much more than just looks, a man needs a good visual to be turned on, a woman does not there are many other ways. Personality is the most important
@Porcelaine here is the confusion. Feminine men pick masculine men and vice versa. Its everyone else its not clear cut. Now most men are not very masculine these days but for some reason they still find feminine women attractive. Ultra feminine women love clear cut traditional gender roles. And so men get aggravated at them because yes they do prefer financially stable men. But these are the same ones that if they land these women they bitch about them being gold diggers.
On the other hand you have the modern woman with a career and such who wants a man more successful than her and a leader of men making more change in the world than she does but that is going to be more masculine men and masculine men typically go for feminine women. Now when these women sometimes land these men they get upset wondering why he cheats and looks at other women and its because he is attracted to femininity of which they aren't overly feminine.
It would be 1 million times easier if those who believe and fit strict gender roles stuck to each other and those who didn't stuck to each other. But it seems no matter what happens a successful strong leader of a man masculine guy will always be most attractive to most women and a sweet innocent young very feminine woman will always be most attractive to most men.
@bamesjond0069 wrong. Stop looking at attraction like it's math. Typical male mindset, so logical. In this case you need to analyze it from psychological point of view, not like its a statistics graph lol. I don't know where you got this idea that the more feminine the woman the more masculine man she wants and vice versa, that is not true. Opposites not always attract. And everyone has different ideas on what is masculine and feminine anyways. You are so fixated on those two words that you are missing out on the rest of qualities that attract people to eachother.
@Porcelaine "Many different ways" applies to visual attraction too.
@bamesjond0069 You said that there are few masculine men nowadays? Do you have a examples of the few who are masculine today according to you?
@UncleJessieRabbit yes it applies to physical attraction, but for men that is so much less important than women.
@Porcelaine its common sense. If a man is strong and works hard to be a provider her is doing that so he can protect and care for a woman. If a woman is weak and not trying to be a provider it makes sense she would want a man to do it. From my experience this is true. Im very masculine and very feminine women are all about me. Its the "normal" typical ones who tend to have problems with me. Sorry im paying for a date, im carrying anything heavy, im carrying a gun because its my responsibility to protect you, im going to lead the interactions. Period. So women who like that like me. Women who dont like that will disagree and its not fun to hang with them for me or them.
@UncleJessieRabbit no specific examples most famous people are terrible examples. Id say the number one thing is to be responsible and be a leader. This can manifest itself in physical health and wealth. It can be in learning how to shoot and be able to defend oneself and family. But a man shouldn't be paralyzed by fear. This can show itself as standing up for beliefs even when people come at you. It can also be not letting a little danger keep you from something such as riding a motorcycle. But maybe its something else. I just listed some common ways masculinity shows itself in certain behaviors but each man will show it in many different ways but the same concepts of responsibility leadership and a bit of fearlessness are some core aspects for sure.
@Porcelaine i can say the same thing : a woman can be attractive with her personality, men dont need visual simulation. Just because we say it doesn't mean its true
Women and men are equally attracted to physical appearance
well perhaps this is true of you, but if you ask the majority of men they will say it's necessary for a woman to be visually attractive.
@Porcelaine this is why most incel are men
in most couple women look better
No in most couple men look better
@HereIbe so men are shallow as fuck
@Routt5 yes, look around in town, so many gorgeous girls with less than average guys, and they're ain't rich either, they just know how to seduce a woman and treat her like a lady.
@HereIbe this is why all men women find attractive looks hot
@Porcelaine most couple i see women look better i see so many fat women in relationship
@Porcelaine you shouldn't listen to what people say but rather how they act
Most people react very differently to a very good looking person vs an ugly person. Just look at any Youtube video with a good looking celebrity like Henry Cavill, all the women just says how beautiful he is etc
I dont listen to what people say but watch how they are acting. Wtf does people reacting to beauty and youtubers or celebrities have anything to do with this. Yes people will look at them and pay compliments but they will pay attention and compliments to any other good trait you have. Only very vain people want people for their looks or treat them differently for their looks also. You are fixated on teenagers mindset. Grown ups want so much more than that. Yes they will look at a beautiful person if they pass by them, but believe me, no matter how good looking they are once you get close to them and get to know them well that beauty no longer has an effect, only their character keeps someone around.
@Porcelaine you have to be attractive enough so that people want to get to know you
It might sound harsh but its the truth
Unless you wanna make friends, then looks doesn't matter but if we are talking about romantic relationships then it matters a lot for both genders
I know women who has turned down guys who they thought had great personality but they were not physically attractive to them
Girls cannot say yes to everyone. Guys with Good personalities and good looks get rejected often. Guys who you think are studs get rejected often also. Because everyone has their own preference. People need to have chemistry to want eachother. And no matter how good looking a person is, chemistry ONLY comes from character. That's why so called ugly guys get the good looking girls. They know how to attract a woman, how to talk to them, tease them, push their buttons, yet respect them at the same time. They just know a way around a womans mind and thats why they are so attractive. People use whatever gifts they have to attract someone. Stop looking at what everyone else has that you might not and start improving yourself where you feel good in your own skin and confident. Confidence is the sexiest trait a man can have. A pretty face won't make up for that
@Porcelaine they usually dont though, yes sometimes an ugly man will get an attractive woman but thats the exception and not the norm
@Porcelaine i mostly see hot womens with other hot guy's.
Ugly guys like me need bring serious GAME, that's all.
@HereIbe maybe with ugly and average girls because i see hot girls with hot guy's
@Routt5, I get it, you have extremely LIMITED experience and no actual knowledge of the wider world, and you're such a stupid loser, total waste of DNA, that you think that your LIMITED experience is the total sum of all possible reality. Game is game, and if a man has game, he gets hot women. It's not my fault you are surrounded by superficial little girls and not grown women.
@HereIbe you are shallow yourself lol you said that you want hot girl's and blame girls for wanting hot men
@Routt5, you're an inbred moron, that's plain. I don't blame women for anything. I do say that women who are superficial shits (you) are superficial shits. I never said that all women are superficial shits. Indeed, I stated that an actual grown woman, not some pathetic little superficial shit of a girl (you) looks beyond a little boy being merely "hot" and wants something SUBSTANTIAL from a real man. But a childish, inbred, inane, stupid, superficial little shit (you) can't handle that fundamental truth.
@HereIbe why do you want a hot girl even though you are ugly?
@HereIbe you are so dillusional its hilarious
Game means nothing and its a lie that pickup artists tell stupid guys to make money off of them
You calling other people dumb is fucking funny when you believe in game. Do you believe in santa claus too? Lol
He is also calling me inbred because i want a cute boyfriend
I get it, you're losers, LOSERS! I am ugly. I have game. I get hot women. But a loser non-man and a superficial little bitch are too stupid and out-of-touch to admit that I can exist.
@HereIbe no you dont lol
I get it, you're a pathetic little non-man who can't handle the idea that you're such a total 100% LOSER in all aspects of life. Poor little non-man. So, what next, incel? You going to go MGTOW?
@HereIbe lol you have terrible personality and you call me shalllow because i want a cute boyfriend and you are very rude
@Routt5, sorry, the fact that I'm honest and call out worthless little shits says nothing about my personality. You're shallow. You're just a shallow little girl who will whine and pule about how "there aren't any good men" in a few years. You'll die as a cat lady.
@HereIbe lol i have a cute boyfriend
@HereIbe you're also shallow
@HereIbe you also want a hot girl so how are you better than me?
@HereIbe i have no problem getting women though so your insults are retarded 😂
Hot women with average men is quite normal.
@Porcelaine then hot men with average women is quite normal too
I see it all the time really cute guy's with average looking girls
The fuck? No this is a lie, god dammit, if all women only wanted men becouse of money they would all be hoes, I do not like hoes, all their good for is farming, as for women, yeh I guess that's true, but there's more to it you know?
Most are
My opinion is that each sex is really only out to impress members of their own sex and that’s how they get their self worth. But they blame the opposite sex for their own problems.
I personally just like to be with somebody that isn't acting, and is truly who they say they are. I dont care if they're more rich than Steve Jobs was, I prefer personality.
He's right but you have to look beyond society and human squabbling to nature and evolution. Women are only fertile for a short period. Marrying and having children young makes perfect sense. As to human opinions they come and they go.
I see it as a individual plans and dreams. If women want to work they can. If women want to stay home and rasie kids they can. If women want to do both they can.
These kinds of tips are good for humans who actually hate others, but want some kind of benefit from the opposite sex.
Not a good explanation, but I'll watch the video after I get off work.
Yes, you will find advocates and shaming for and against most types of sexuality since.
1. it is a primal urge thusly garners a lot of emotion
2. we are enough diverse as species to have differing opinions
I believed all of those equality stuffs , but in reality I have seen girls mostly go for old guys and money. I didn’t care about beauty and loved someone she went for a guy 10 years older with nothing in common . I guess I don’t care anymore.
It is not like that bro not all the man and woman think like that
Well stop value us for our money and you will get better equality. It's not like you want us to date you because of your money right?
This is where woman and men put labels on each other once we get past that part we will finally be able to have a normal relationship
Nuke my wallet before the gokd diggers get to it I agree lol jk
Great philosophy for them but one big problem while most girls want to have kids young no man is in a financial position to do so and support both children or the wife.
This part of it sounds like it's more economics related than social/gender-related.
@UncleJessieRabbit It is unfortunately but because of social standards being a man has economic responsibilities its at the point where economics is basically part of the definition of a man.
Then social standards need to learn how to adapt to the present economic conditions.
@UncleJessieRabbit Unfortunately yh but they dont realise is because theyre not us they dont understand that we can't afford dating and a mortgage and a a wedding like all of these things we can't do I honestly dont know what will happen at this rate.
That's pretty accurate..
Sadly, the world is a sad place and some of the answers even sadder..
I'm drowning in conformists
Someone that has a view as the title have a lot to grow.