All men are good for is their money and all women are good for is their looks!

[Ellie-V]

So...some guy by the name of Stefan Molyneux says that women should not waste their beauty on vanity and money , but instead get married and have children at young ages—specifically in the 20s. Early twenties, I am assuming based on context.

And to my lack of surprise, many agreed.

What confuses me is how backwards our minds are. As a group, as a society, we can never come to any agreement.

Many believe that women should use their looks to get ahead in ways such as making a “family” or to just settle down in general (babies possibly in the future). The message is that women should not have too many sexual partners and should stick to one man, early on in life. Her value rests in her alleged purity and ability to bear children.

Apparently there is power in a woman’s youth, innocence... and we know this. And then you have women looking for security and wealth because when a woman has those things, it means nothing. Her value is in her looks alone.

How come when women exercise this weird “hypergamy”, they are called out as gold diggers? Why are women called out for being vain when they go out of their way to please the male gaze (makeup, jewelry, eating less to stay thin, hair extensions, etc) when everyone else is telling them that all they have to offer is their appearance?

Yet there are so many men who will complain that women bring nothing to the table...WHEN THE BAR IS ALREADY SET SO LOW!

And then these ideas are further enforced when you have cases of husbands cheating on their wives because she “let herself go”.

As if beauty is supposed to last forever? Weight gain, loose skin, baggy eyes, disfigurement, etc...a lot of that is normal (for most). It’s apart of dying. It’s how life and death works. Metabolism slows and time moves faster.

Then there are women who do manage to work around the rules of life...they maintain a youthful appearance but then they STILL get cheated on or left for someone else.

There’s so much weight being put on women to look their best 24/7 when in the grand scheme of things...it means absolutely nothing.

Clearly there’s so much more to men and women than just money and sexual appeal...but as a society we don’t push that narrative.

Instead we push for toxic codependency and power struggle.

How can we fix this?

Men are constantly putting each other in a crazy competition of Cash Cow...which I do not believe is the fault of women (entirely).

There are so many women who spend their lives on men who have next to nothing in the bank. So it confuses me when men believe that all women are attracted to their wallet. They put so much pressure on themselves to be hyper masculine with a Fortune 500 company and 2 dozen cars sitting in the garage of their 4th mansion.

And us women aren’t fucking helping! The handful of parasites makes us all look bad.

All around the board, this is just a hot mess. And this take is more of a rant so I apologize for the disorganization of my thoughts.

I am only addressing a problem. I have no solutions...other than nuclear war 😋

This video (Beauty is a bad Investment) will better explain my point:

[Kaazsz]

If you ask me, this is all rooted in shaming female sexuality.

Women like to fuck too. And the things that attract women, and turn women on, apparently, are offensive to feminists and men.

This makes society HIDE what women are truly attracted to.

Since nobody knows what women are truly attracted to, especially us men, we have to experiment.

We are drawing the wrong conclusions.

That’s why so many men become workaholics trying to make tons of money. Because they think all women want is money.

It’s why women have to focus so hard on looks. Because since men have no idea how to be attractive to women, the pool of attractive men is shrinking. The competition for a quality man is fierce among women. And the quality of men will continue to get lower and lower until society allows women’s sexuality to be free and unshameful.

If we truly understand what makes women attracted to men, and it’s common knowledge, than men will quickly increase in attractiveness, and as a result, become better men ideally in the process. Although I’m not sure about that. It may be that women just like bad boys as a fundamental level and then all you will see is every man trying to become a bad boy and won’t become better men. Just the number of bad boys will grow and the number of real men will still dwindle.

Actually I think we are close to that reality already. Real men are far and few in between. Bad boys are the majority of men that women are attracted to these days. And the rest of the men are the clueless ones who think girls want money, and who also don’t get very much action and continue to go down into a hole.

[Djanhk]

Thots do want money tho

[Kaazsz]

But you’ll see thots, spending mad money on their bum ass boyfriend who doesn’t have a job.

You know this as well as I do.

What women are TRULY sexually motivated by, is a mystery. Well, I think it’s not quite. But that we are al so offended by women’s true sexuality, that we have been hiding it since the Bible was written at least and probably since before that.

[Kaazsz]

And because we hide it, because we shame women for their true sexuality, ya men are left in the dark and we suffer.

[Kaazsz]

Us men*

[Kaazsz]

OR, maybe true female sexuality does need to be hidden, because it is abusive and damaging to society.

[Optymistyk]

And what is it that attracts women? I honestly don't know. I have my theories. I'm like a 7 but I get signs from girls extremely rarely. I'm extremely confident but then I approach her directly but respectfully and get rejected 90% of the time. Then sometimes I sleep with a 19yo female model musician and I'm like "WTF just happened". Then other times the girls seems to be into me and she ghosts me. Women are strange

[Ellie-V]

Not every woman is into the same things

[Optymistyk]

Not into the same things, but into very similar things for sure. It's not just random, like I know you probably like men with symmetrical faces and at least some muscle definition. I have a symmetrical face and am quite muscular, much above average. I dress really well and walk straight and confident. And then I don't get signs. And then I approach and get blown off 9 times out of ten. My friend is 1.9m tall, very handsome thick black curly hair and stubble clear skin and well dressed, he is a virgin at late 21 and he says he never gets signs either. And then I ask girls what they think of him and they tell me "cute","very handsome". Who knows what women want, I don't think they know it themselves

[Ellie-V]

I don’t think I’ve gone out of my way to look for people with symmetrical faces 😂 most people have those...
And personally, I hate muscles.
Skinny and chubby guys are the best.
You can’t assume what most people like because this sets you up for the dilemma your are having now. Expecting everyone to flock to you just because you think you’ve checked every box on everyone’s list.

[Optymistyk]

Okay, I wanted to say symmetrical and manly faces.

And it is widely accepted that women like men with some muscle. You can't say this isn't true of most women

[Ellie-V]

I’m not saying it is not. I’m just saying you can’t expect anything just from generalizations.

[Optymistyk]

Well, you should be able to expect some results from generalizations. A girl that's 7 will get checked out all the time and approached at least some of the time. But a guy that's 7 or 8 and is confident and muscular gets nothing? How so?

In fact I don't think I've ever seen women giving signs to anyone else. I've seen them giving me signs once or twice with strong eye contact. But then some guys look less or similarly attractive and tell me they get signals all the time

[Ellie-V]

Boy, you sound so entitled... no wonder you haven’t received “signs” 😂
Anyway, I said what I said and I meant what I said. Generalizations give you no guarantees and it is ignorant to think so.

[Unit1]

This is exactly the damage done to society when both men and women cannot stand up for themselves. Both men and women suffer from it.

Males as in setting these toxic and shallow standards "submissive, at least 9/10 in looks, sexually experienced virgin, stay at home, giant ass, huge tits".

Females as in trying to impress those exact same males, who set those ridiculous standards... Then men complain about gold diggers (how else is a housewife supposed to be?) and the autonomous strong and independent career women.

This whole thing is just completely absurd and an epic fail. Just screw all of it and Light it all on fire 🔥
Do what you have to do. That goes for everyone.

[bamesjond0069]

No men want that. Wtf. Some men want a housewife, some men want an independent career women. Just as some men want a girl experienced and some want a virgin. Nobody is looking for half assed shit or both. That's impossible and I've never once heard of that.

[Unit1]

@bamesjond0069 I agree, *MEN* do not care for shallow standards (I'm not saying looks is unimportant). Weird males however do exist as do weird females.

[MzAsh]

As women, were damned if we do, damned if we don’t. If we’re financially independent then we’re called power hungry and masculine.

If you’re not financially independent and seeking a man to take care of your family then you’re a gold digger.

Part of the problem is that we’re letting low value males such as this Stephen person pretend as if his minuscule opinion holds any value as some kind of standard. It doesn’t. Or at least, it shouldn’t. Because he is certainly NOT the kind of guy I’d ever go for and I’d never refer any decent woman to associate with the the likes of him.

We have to stop letting sexist assholes set the standards for female lifestyle.

[MzAsh]

We women can help fix this by stop giving our attention to guys who pedestalize youth, beauty, and feminine submissiveness. Guys who cheat on a woman regardless are a type, and guys like Stefan are definitely in that type. He’s exactly the type of guy who says he likes a certain type of woman but he will NOT respect her. He’d cheat (by using his money because he’s certainly not using his looks to get attention) because his innate lack of respect for women knows no exceptions. It literally doesn’t matter. He could have exactly the type of woman he says he wants but no matter what you’ll still find him screwing some prostitute at some point or another.

Stop valuing men like this. I don’t care how much money he has, he’s still bottom of the barrel.

[ThisGuyDucks]

Yep, that's it.
Playing the victim and feeling the need to be oppressed, once again.

I can assure you no one , I repeat no one gives a single fuck if you're a strong independent women, no one will call you power hungry and masculine, if anything a little extra money is always good.

The thing is, once you start shoving down everyone's throat about how you're 'independent' that's when people make fun of women.
So you're an independent woman? oh wow, good for you, now shut the fuck up because no one cares.

And although I don't agree with his statement that women should have babies young, biologically his point is very valid, you loose the ability to get pregnant as you age, so it makes sense for a woman who wants kid to get pregnant early.

But then, it's a fucking opinion, people are allowed to have opinions, no one is telling you what to do, it's just a fucking opinion of a random guy.

Having the opinion that women should get pregnant early doesn't make anyone sexist, being sexist means you discriminate on the basis of sex.

How stupid do you have to be?

Go and be an independent woman, I can assure you not single man gives a fuck about you or your life.

Stop making shit up to make men look bad and stop being a victim.

[ThisGuyDucks]

and no one is forcing you to be with a man, to marry a man, to live your life with a man, or make babies with a man.

If you hate that stuff, then you don't have to do any of that.
You don't like being submissive, pretty , young? oh then don't date men. Because men like that stuff, and no one is forcing you to be with a man, stay fucking single.

Stop whining about it, you're almost 40 and you're whining on the internet, making shit up.

[MzAsh]

But plenty of men DO care. They are stalking my content and harassing me. Not that I care that much because these aren’t the type of men I’d ever want to suggest any other woman would want anyway. I do what I want. I get what I want. And if that drives some people crazy (and it does) then that’s their problem. Isn’t going to stop me.

[ThisGuyDucks]

Did you mean me? Am I harassing you?

[MzAsh]

No not you specifically. I’m mostly referring to various communities of men in several other places on the internet (but including GAG) who don’t like the way I live or encourage other women to live because requires them to put more genuine effort into their relationships with women. However, *good* men are more than willing to do just that. And I help make the distinction between good men and lesser men and a lot of average men don’t like it.

[ThisGuyDucks]

Well, you're on the internet, if you're too sensitive you should probably leave, and no good men are not what you want them to be, or men who flock and worship women like you.

Good men are men that do the best for themselves, men that work hard and bla bla.

Guys who are pussy whipped and worship women aren't good men, they're losers.

And once again, if you're worried about being called a gold digger or an independent masculine female, then simply don't date men or be with them.

Be with women instead, I'm sure they won't do any of that.

[MzAsh]

I never said anything about men who worship women. I already have a man and I know how I gained success with men and how to have a long lasting, happy relationship. I help women do the same.

[Unit1]

You totally got it, Ash! Bingo! Just exactly what i was thinking.

[Flamdring]

@MzAsh, agreed with you, but also agreed with @ThisGuyDucks. I think you both started off speaking about the same thing: women should not listen to the opinions of some men on the Internet or even in the real world - you focus on what you want in life and that is it. At least time women should not assume that because some imbecile says women must marry young and have children and a few guys support such opinion, then automatically all men are the same.

Tastes and wishes are different among men just as they are among women. Some of us men love women who can take care of themselves without relying on us while others want women to be more dependent on them as they think it shows true love and dedication. There are women who want their man to do everything for them while they just behave like a spoilt princess, but there are also women who feel that having a healthy relationship with a man can only happen if both can function as strong independent individuals who share attraction for each other and certain mutual interests. Generalising is silly as there is no golden rule.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

I'm wealthier than my husband. With that said, how could money be all that's important to me about him?

Borrowing a line from a movie, he occasionally tells me that "I complete him." He doesn't say that when we're having a nice romantic dinner or making love. He'd tell me that when were holding hands walking in the rain & drenched in water or while we're jogging as body soaks in my own sweat. Plus, he also insists that he loves looking at me in my "simplest form" when I don't have any makeup or fancy clothes on.

[Ellie-V]

I’m not talking about individual cases. I am only talking about the message that society tends to push and how it effects people’s everyday lives in general.

[DeeDeeDeVour]

I know. And, I'm giving myself as an example that contradicts the notion which that message is spreading. We can prove that message is false.

[Ellie-V]

We know that the message is spreading by the way we witness women having a pattern of obsessing over looks while men encourage a toxic workaholic mentality.
It doesn’t apply to EVERYONE. But on a larger scale, it is a noticeable trend, and it isn’t healthy.

[Lliam]

I found it difficult to find a solid point to agree or disagree with in your stream of consciousness, thinking out loud commentary, Ellie. It was the same with Kim's video. But I do find the topic interesting. So I'll share some thoughts. And my comments will probably be in a similar form to yours and Kim's because, yes, it's a complicated subject.

1) Since the dawn of time, women have liked pretty things. Women have worn jewelry or added embroidery or details to their clothes. They fixed up their hair or wore various forms of makeup. They added "feminine touches" to their living spaces. I'm not sure that they did/do all those things just for guy's benefit. But guys really like it. I know that I love that about women. I think those things are virtual definitions of femininity. Women who don't do those things don't fit into the definition of femininity. By that I mean, they are mere people. But they have no sex appeal and can't possibly expect to bond with a male partner. Not that there is any obligation for women to bond with men. Not in this day and age. I actually know women who have abandoned femininity and the desire for male partnership. Some of them are the unattractive sort of lesbians, but some are just asexual.

I treasure feminine women. Just seeing them walking down the street brings joy. And engaging with such women in intimate sexual activity is an honor. No gift in life is greater.

2) Ageism: When I was young, my feminine ideal was girls who looked like teen agers. I have a funny example. When I was 18 or 19, I went to a concourse d'elegance car show in Newport Beach, Ca. where a friend had entered his car. I was eager to see the Playboy bunnies who were supposed to be there. When I did see the bunnies, I didn't find them to my liking. They were too... fat. Yep, that was my impression. Looking back from a more mature perspective, they weren't fat at all. They were the ideal curvy form of Playboy models. They were what women become when they mature out of their teens and take on their optimal forms. I mean, those models were probably in their early 20s. One other thing that probably turned me off at the time was the fact that those models were wearing a lot of makeup and they looked really uncomfortable in those rigid bunny outfits.

When I was a few years older, my taste evolved past the teen age form to the lush, fully developed form.

As I aged further into my 30s, I continued to love women's soft curvy-ness. I became less critical of minor flaws - a bit more fat on the tummy, a couple of dimples on the ass, slightly saggier boobs compared to 20 year olds. Don't get me wrong, my girlfriends were beautiful and fit, but they were aging normally, as was I. The important thing about them was, they still fit the feminine idea. In other words, they didn't give up on looking pretty. They were clean and well groomed, fixed their hair, got mani-pedis, wore attractive make up and clothes, and they way the moved, spoke and acted was feminine

My point here is that emotionally healthy men's attitudes mature. Not that I wouldn't have fucked a perfect 20 year old when I was in my 30s, but at least I no longer fantasized about teen agers. And even if I was smitten by the appearance of the perfect female form at its optimal age, I thought it would have been weird to pursue women 10 or 15 years my junior. I was okay with women who were closer to my age even though I admit that I was attracted to those who stayed fit and took care of themselves. I left those who had aged badly to other guys.

[Lliam]

3) A major theme of this discussion centers around child bearing, which begs the question: does everyone want to have kids? If so, at what age? When I was young, I wanted to have sex and female companionship, but the last thing I wanted to do was settle down, get married and start a family. It wasn't until I was in my mid 30s that I started to give the idea serious thought. By that time, I was more mentally and emotionally mature and I was financially stable. And I had explored all the joys of female sexuality from teen agers to early middle age.

Once I was open to the idea of finding a life-long partner, I had a couple of false starts - relationships that, in the end, didn't work out. I finally found my lift partner when I was 40 and she was 38. My wife and I took the idea of marriage seriously and we worked at keeping our relationship healthy and strong. I can't believe that I did such a good job of finding such an amazing lift-partner.

We both agreed that there were pros and cons to the question of raising a family. The only reason I would want to have children would be to pass on my family name. Beyond that, they are a pain in the ass and a money pit. I don't even think kids are all that adorable. In the end, though, the question was moot because of our age. We are both totally fine with that. One thing we consider is the hell our society has become and what it would be like to be a kid now days.

4) Men who cheat are dishonest. Someone who can't be trusted is a worthless sociopath. You can't make a promise to someone and then break it. Stabbing your wife and mother of your children in the back in order to feed your appetite is despicable.

So I guess the point of all my comments is, grow the fuck up, guys. Take some responsibility. If you are selfish and self centered, don't make promises that you don't intend to keep. If you willfully destroy someone else's life because you lack self control, you deserve to suffer the full weight of karma.

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[bamesjond0069]

Its pretty normal for men to date someone much younger. Im 32 and my current girlfriend is 10 years younger. My ex was only 18 though so 14 years younger. It solves the kids problem for sure. Plus when im 50 she will be 40 which will be a very good thing then. Lol

[Stoner710]

You do bring up some good points men and women can do more however, we are looking at a pattern of behavior that dates back about 20,000 years when humans were in caves. Of course we are talking about Darwinism.

There are 2 forms of darwinism let’s start with the one that everybody knows and that’s physical Darwinism. Really until about 3000 years ago the dominant males would get the females the dominance of males being the males that brought in the most food and could defend their people from wild animals like sabertooth cats , short face bears and other tribes in the area that wished them harm. The women would go after the strongest man because he could protect her and keep her from getting killed. Women would take care of children and gather tubers berries and other greens and grains in order to eat, But they couldn’t defend themselves as well as men could mainly because they didn’t have spreads since women didn’t hunt. So they would go for the strongest warriors in the group to protect them. This of course ended when we see a mass migrations into cities.

Which leads us to today where men don’t have to take on a lion to protect there families we need money which bring up modern human Darwinism. Since we can no longer take down a deer without a permit to eat that leaves 1 option, (money!!). Money is man new way of protecting women, Now of course you don’t have to be financially powerful, you need enough to survive. However like having more meat 20,000 ago, money is the way men can provide for there families but we’re not going to do that for a women who is massively over weight or ugly or both. We want the beautiful attractive women like Salina Gomez or Camilo Cabello or Beyoncé or milky bunny (Japanese pop star she is really cute).

Women want security the modern days women by going after the men with the most money get the most security the more money a man has the more secure his girl/women feels. With less money the family is less secure and the women for are 9. And 10s get that security (rich class 1 million dollar + salary) wall the women for are 7-8 will get less security but have enough to survive (taking upper middle class) and it keeps going down from there, the prettier a women is the more a guy is going to be willing to spend on her (spending is now the equivalent of hunting 10,000 years ago)

This is know as social Darwinism the more money you have the more likely you are going to get an attractive women. So women can now star in property and make there way up in society by relying on their looks. Wall men our only option in money, it doesn’t matter if you could K. O a lion in 1 punch if you don’t have money you get women who are less attractive. . So the more money you make the more attractive women you can meet and the more attractive you are the more likely you are going to find a guy with money.

It ultimately breaks down to security and whether a man can take care of a woman or not if he doesn’t have enough money then the woman ultimately suffers because our society is driven by currency and really the only way to fix it is to completely abandon the idea of money and go back to the idea of the strongest human survivors which puts us back in the Stone Age. Which I don’t think anyone would want to do

[Routt5]

Women also want attractive guy's

[Stoner710]

@Routt5 this is true, however I doubt most women would turn down an opportunity to go out of someone who is ugly as hell making 5-10 million a year, yes they would only date the guy for his money but the pay check is really attractive to women, If the guy was ugly as hell making 50,000 a year he wouldn’t get the same attention.

If you say a guy full 6 pack making 50,000 a year I’m sure women would go after him, But put the ugly guy next to the hot guy and they both held a sigh saying what they make in a year the ugly guy making 5 million a year would beat the hot guy making 50,000

[Routt5]

Jessica alba net worth is 200 million dollar her husband net worth is 10 million dollar i know many women who earn way more than their husbands both celebrity and real life

[Routt5]

Only a gold digger would chose a men for his money i know women who left her parents everything all money for her boyfriend who dated guy's when they had nothing supported him. You judge women based on gold digger who are minority these are real example

[Stoner710]

@Routt5 celebrities are a completely different story.
A lot of women are gold diggers the ones who can’t get the guys making 6 figures a month normal are average looking women or young and haven’t met a rich guy yet. Women like security and today money is security.

And honestly I consider men who don’t make more then there wives failures as men, That doesn’t mean a women should try to make as much as she can if she can make 100 million dollars that’s great, her man should still me making more in order to not be a failure as a man.

[Routt5]

I know many women like that i give you celebrity exam but most women i know in real life are also not gold digger

[Stoner710]

@Routt5 let’s stay away from celebrities.

Normally people hang around like minded people I doubt you would know gold diggers. Clearly your don’t live in calls

[Stoner710]

Cally (not call)

[Routt5]

I don't so maybe your city is filled with gold digger not mine most women here have Jobs and work hard i know rich guy who are incel

[Meta1087]

Okay so a few things here. 1. Woman were mainly focused on looks in the early days rather than today. I don't know exact dates but I know it's not relevant today. 2. Cheating is not dependant on what the other party looks like, it's the sole reason of the first party not having commitment. Cheating isn't thought of as acceptable and shouldn't ever be. 3. The fact that both parties slowly looks their figure is totally natural and shouldn't be a deciding factor to cheat. This is not socially acceptable either but a small percentage says whatever and thinks nothing of it and THAT gets the attention. 4. Gold diggers are referred as such when they don't see any proof of Fortune and refuse any actions with the second party. However if they find out that they have Fortune and suddenly have attraction towards the other, that's what gold digging is, in it for the money. (This is not saying all women are gold diggers but they are out there and it gets a lot of the social spotlight) 5. The fact that men worry about how "big" their wallets are is because either A. We don't feel like we can fulfill our duty as a man if we don't have a lot of money B. That's the only way to look attractive to the second party. Neither of which is always true and people like me don't care about having a lot of fortune. It totally depends on the scenario where this is happening but in society today, only minor things are still here like gender specific jobs that society chooses. If SHOULDN'T be a thing but it is and there isn't but we can do to prevent it.

[Sensmind]

A good take or rant even - You are correct the narrative is set by said groups but I believe they are a a minority society makes these our stereotypes - There are many side issues going on that can be talked about another day - Lets say for sake of arguments sake that 30% make up this tier and say 60% are normal with another 10 % outside the circle for whatever reason.
So the majority are not being catered to - Why iis it economic they seem to have and spend more money, social a form of control that creates an ideal they want you to aspire to the way elites controlled the masses throughout history - The world is morphing into shapes that can be fitted into a simple jigsaw when the world should be full of individuals and be the most complex jigsaw in the world.
I do find that we are moving away from Stefan Molyneux ideals but what are we moving to a Kim Kardashian, Instagram influencer world what does that pan out to over the long term - What is success, a bank balance, happiness or beauty.
Like you I have no answers but hope both of us and others like us can stay out of the quicksand to stay individual and "Normal" in our own way.

[UncleJessieRabbit]

They are a minority, but they are still the ones who speak the loudest and people are only listening to their influence. It's the same thing with politics and government laws. Tyranny of the minority.

[bamesjond0069]

@UncleJessieRabbit "oppressive" culture will always be powerful more than the progressive culture. For better or worse, that group of people who maximize womens child production will always be reproducing at an advantageous level and population will grow. Anything deviating lowers the birth rate. Today the American monoculture has a declining birth rate. If it wasn't for mormons, and other groups like that having 8 kids in a family America would be already totally fucked. But it appears to be getting worse. Specifically mormons have normalized college for all the girls in the past 10 years and their birth rate decreased significantly. Any deviation to focus on child bearing decreases child bearing.

So what im saying is give American monoculture a few more generations. The most progressive people will have bred themselves out of existence while the most focused religious groups will be the only ones increasing their numbers.

[ThatDude29]

Sometimes i expect to come onto this site and just maybe my feed will be free of Men vs. Women, but i guess it never comes... sigh. Anyway, i see your points. I'm a guy who doesn't expect women to be this or that and i'd much prefer a girl who is herself. The only girl i ever loved was overweight, had PCOS issue, was an immigrant and barely could speak English at the time and was not by any measure a hot, beautiful, or pretty looking girl. I loved her because she stood by me on my darkest days and that is how we fell in love. She was my life and the only person that could take out a true smile from me. I worked hard so that one day i could marry her and i could build a family with her.

There was no equality, no "who should pay", no "you're not hot", no "cheating", no "trying to bash each other", no "trying to prove men or women were better" ... instead there was just a sense of deep love for each other. I wish men and women, guys and girls would stop with the hate but unfortunately this is the real world were awful things happen.

I used to wake up in the mornings with the thought of her smile driving me through all the daily challenges... it really was a dream to be with her. Then... the inevitable happened

She left me alone in this world :')

a car collided with her early 2016 and snapped her neck. she died instantly

I feel lost everyday without her and she was never a 10/10, or pretty, or slim or smart or beautiful or like other girls... SHE WAS MY EVERYTHING.

To all you young men and women out there... life is over in the blink of an eye. To you guys, don't hate women, to you girls, don't hate guys.

[ThatDude29]

sorry i ranted

[WeirdoTay]

This made me cry. Good rant

[winterfox10]

This post reminds me a lot of 2 thoughts I had a few months back. I had realized (much like you) that people basically judge women entirely on their looks, and there is almost nothing at all that a woman could do to make someone respect and want her more than to be sexually appealing. So these were the 2 thoughts:

My first thought was that women have had the importance of beauty shoved down their throats for so long that some, and maybe even many cases, that a compliment almost doesn't carry weight unless you also compliment their looks. Like I was once talking with my girlfriend, and I told her that she was a brilliant woman, and she kind of gave me this weak smile and said thank you. But then another time I was writing her a love note, and I told that she smart, and gorgeous, and wise, that I admired her, and she put her hand on her heart and giggled.

The second thought was that men really need to start going out of their way to really uplift women in casual ways. I really believe that the major issue here is that men need to learn how to humble themselves again, because it's clearly taking a tole on the female self-esteem.

[RipTide2021]

You frame this in a current societal definition. Go back a few hundred thousand years. Genetics are involved.

200,000 years ago, when life expectancy was either "killed by saber-tooth tiger" or "killed in battle by rocks and clubs" or "died in child birth" or "died from starvation", the base need was 1) procreation, and 2) security. Males were hunters and fighters, females were procreators and support (both physical and domestic).

Males selected females they could procreate with that had a high likelihood of live-births and multiple offspring (ergo, large breasts and stature), such as more sons to fight and hunt or daughters to support and eventually procreate. Females selected males (or preferred to be selected by) that could provide security and status (ergo tribe status and possessions). The physical versions of each varied over millennia, but the outcome sought was the same.

This continued until about 400 years ago when the prudes started to define females seeking male attention to be "sluts" or "gold diggers". You mention "cheating". There is no way that humans could go from a handful 100,000 years ago to 15 billion (counting those that died) by sentimental attachments or monogamy.

You ask the wrong question. You ask "why this is happening", instead of "what has changed". Cash is the current version of survival weapon (versus spears and clubs).

[MrOracle]

I think what is lost to most people - because I never hear anyone talking about it at all - is the idea of a relationship being a TEAM - where you both work together on common goals that neither of you can achieve (or as easily) on your own. Two people working together can achieve what takes 3 or 4 similar individuals to achieve. But we don't teach this concept AT ALL.

In fact, I have never been able to figure out why no one teaches kids about relationships or sex - some of the most important and profound issues in life - and just assumes that the right thing to do is to let people "figure it out" on their own with almost no guidance or hard-won lessons. If we taught math and science like that, we'd still be living in grass huts.

[SixFootSexy]

Man, you really need to write a book about relationships, MrOracle. I'm sure it would be a NYT bestseller in a month.

[hahahmm]

“Handful of parasites”... more like 75 to 80% of women are parasites but men are okay with that if she can at least be loyal. It’s, perhaps, not in her interest to be loyal when she has other options but karma is a bit*h and when men & women get older the tables turn. Dudes really understand their value & choices then which they don’t when they’re young.

Some women are better of in traditional roles & some are better off as feminists with 8 cats. Just how it is.

I think what many men wonder is why women think they can have their cake & eat it. In other words why do they think only their opinion and preferences matter. You see this when women make a point of rejecting guys for various reasons but get offended if a man questions her weight. Lol.

[Djanhk]

Men are thots too

[Svevotion]

Well my dad got married in his early 20's. He had a really good job, ended up having 2 kids with her n then divorced because she turned out to be a money devouring careless psycho who literally kicked her 15 year old daughter out for no reason and only took her back once she realised child support was a thing. People shouldn't marry so early as they don't get the proper time to actually find a partner who's sincere. Also, with society the way it is at the current time, unless you got an amazing job I'm sure the female partner is still going to have to work.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

He has a point about marrying younger rather than older. Single women in their 30s and 40s have a harder time in dating compared to a single 20-25 year old (their words, not mine). Feminism tells women they can have it all, but a high-powered career means being a full time workaholic, men know this instinctively, but women are only just starting to feel the ramifications. Being a mother is also a "full time job". So basically the feminist ideal is that women should work two full time jobs simultaneously and call it "empowerment". When anyone who actually works two full time jobs will tell you that's a quick route to getting burnt out and depressed. And feminists actually dump on men for having ambitious careers and want them to be stay-at-home father instead LOL

[mateynine]

I agree, although no one should get married.

[Shamalien]

The solution is women do their best to propagate their genetics and fetch what they can, men do the best to be able to produce and do the same, but the KEY is that once they get together, they STICK IT OUT and that's why marriage used to be so heavily enforced in society, we need stable families for a stable society. Men and women are good for a lot more than their money and looks, but when it comes to the sexual market, the man needs to be both attractive and have money, the woman just needs to be attractive, and her money isn't worth much to most men. Once again, both men and women are good for much more than those things, but these factors are undeniable. I forgot to mention youth, it's way more important for women than for men.

[Miristheiss]

Only with those with that type of character.

We get love from each other, companionship, belonging, intimacy, connection, bonding, comfort, excitement, adventure, we have fun, a connectedness in our souls, it makes life more enjoyable, we get to give love and get love.

Some do only give/get what you listed in the headline.

[Kiran_Yagami]

"All men are good for is their money and all women are good for is their looks!"

I agree. With gender relations at an all time low, men and women don't view one another as people anymore. We view one another as transactions and assets. A woman's assets are typically her looks and sexual availability. A man's assets are liquid and material wealth. You trade one for the other. Relating to one another on the personal level is not only becoming less common but also less desirable. Men and women don't want to get along. We want to blame one another for all of our problems, and when the blame game goes to far and violence ensues, we in turn blame one another for causing the violence to begin with. And round and round it goes. Where it stops, well, we all know, but no one is willing to admit it.

[Freiburger]

Ok, but it's Stefan Molyneux. You're talking about an ex-libertarian who sold out to become a MAGA idiot. His audience is a load of boys and manchildren that are hopeless with women...

And we can't make generalisations about women based on the handful of golddiggers. Why? Because then we'd have to do the same for men based on incels and MAGA douchebags..

How about we avoid broad sweeping generalisations?

[UncleJessieRabbit]

You are making a fucking accusation attack by taking any man's alleged status with in regards to women and using it to project a certain political opinion.

[Freiburger]

@UncleJessieRabbit Not any man - just Stefan Molyneux's incel boys.

[Dinoraptor101]

Also don't listen to Stephan Milneoux the dude is really stupid and he ran away like a mouse from a debate with me...

That said nature designed us a certain way and originally were supposed to have offspring between 18 and 24 NO LATER. as the genetic markers start to wear off and chance of healthy offspring deminishes after that. It is VITAL for the male to be healthy and fit, and the female to be fed and a little puffy. (Skinny females make for bad pregnancy)

[grega239]

Heard about that.

And to my understanding the logic is.
If women stop focusing on getting a career in their 20s and focus on having a family, it would lower competition for jobs, which would force companies to increase wages that would get men to focus on getting an education and attract them to those jobs.

It's a good idea, but I don't imagine it happening

[grega239]

Come to think of it. This is the idea of the nuclear family. Aren't women against that arrangement?

[bamesjond0069]

As a wealthy attractive man, a woman has nothing to offer me than to give me a family. The ideal girl to give me a family is young, healthy, caring, sweet and not a risk to cheat and ruin the family down the line. That means an 18 year old attractive virgin is my (on paper) ideal mate.

That is just fact. There is nothing a woman can do to be more attractive than that to me. She could be a fucking nobel winning scientist who makes $100,000 a year. Whats so beneficial to me about that? Maybe she's more interesting but i can talk to anyone in the world to get my fill of interesting. The exclusive benefit to a relationship is primarily having and raising children. That cannot be simply found outside of the relationship such that interesting and money can. So it is by far the #1 priority in choosing a woman. Everything else is secondary.

[Porcelaine]

How does her being a virgin help you in creating a family? And 18? A child does not only need a healthy uterus and breastmilk, they need someone who knows how to be a good mother, mentally, emotionally mature and stable, if she did not have a chance to live her own life yet what exactly is she going to teach the child? From what experience? You should not get married because marriage is a union between 2 people, if personality of her is not important to you that is something you should simply avoid.

[Djanhk]

Maybe ur retarded

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine you do know young women have personalities right? Tbh most women who have lived life dont have anything relevant to teach. How does sleeping around with lots of guys and having a job make someone a better mother? If anything it makes a woman a worse mother.

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine even if it helped in some way... which i dont believe it does 99% of the time. Its not nearly as important as all the benefits of youth. Sure i like a lock on my glovebox in my car but not at the expense of 20 miles per gallon on my gas mileage. Its not even close. Id not trade youth for job experience. Thats just dumb.

[Porcelaine]

Lmao did you even read what I said. Nowhere did I mention sleeping with a lot of guys, if a girl is not a virgin that does not mean she has a high body count. Job experience in a relationship? Wtf noone mentioned that either. A woman has TONS to teach from life experience if she is smart. You don't think so since its clear the way you see things is very sad and smallminded. You are 32 years of age but you have wisdom of a 6yr old. Clueless to what else a woman can offer. Comparing her to a car?… bye, your thinking is way too shallow and vain to even bother discussing. It's like trying to explain a rainbow to a blind person. You prob said 18 since its the youngest legal age. I bet you are also one of those that think if a girl is physically fit to bear children she is ready to be used by men at any age.

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine see you wrote all of that and it wasn't very mature or valuable. Im so impressed with what youve learned in 9 years. Youve learned to be disagreeable and selfish. You do not get to decide what men find attractive. Men do. Period.

[Porcelaine]

It was mature and it was valuable, you are simply finding excuses not to read into it so you can continue to dwell in your bubble or perhaps you are just too vain and shallow to coprehend when something of depth and meaning is thrown at you.

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine "its clear the way you see things is very sad and smallminded. You are 32 years of age but you have wisdom of a 6yr old. Clueless to what else a woman can offer. Comparing her to a car?… bye, your thinking is way too shallow and vain to even bother discussing. It's like trying to explain a rainbow to a blind person. You prob said 18 since its the youngest legal age. "

Sad you consider this mature and valuable conversation. The teens I've dated were much more interesting than you.

[Porcelaine]

The teens? I knew you were a pedo.

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine 18 and 19 you sicko. Its disgusting what your first thoughts are. Were you raped as a child? If so im sorry but normal people dont think that stuff.

[Porcelaine]

;DDDD omg you are really retarded. you are 32 so 18yrl barely legal or 19 is still extremely creepy.

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine where i live 16 is legal fyi so not barely legal... its clearly legal.

[Ellie-V]

Damn that’s hilarious... you’re pedo-adjacent 😂😂😂

[Porcelaine]

you are missing the point as usual

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine whats the point? Someone i dont know and who i dont care to know is upset at my dating practices? Do i seem like i care? What a good point youve made, my life is changed. Lol

[3rdSrike]

@Porcelaine i understand your point but i agree with the guy... If a man has money and good friends he will want a woman to start a family with , and a young, helathy and attractive female with no prior sexual experience is an ideal candidate for the job, women are primarly meant to have children and look for the best potential mother and wife they can find which usually means young enough and in a good shape physically... As for virginity it shows she has self control and the ability to filter out bad potential partners to end up with the best match... Its easy for women to have sex, men on the hand can't just ask and get its a completley different game and i suggest you dont compare yourself to men cause you will always lose that one... Having a job, a noble prize and a good salary are all good but for an independent man who is simply looking for a wife, a companion... These things are secondary at best and not that important.

As for him being 32 ... Well a 12 yeras difference is not ideal but its quite normal and plenty of couples are like that its nothing to be ashamed of or wrong as long as the girl is legal.

The site is called girls ask guys.. you wanted our point of view and you got it , now just use the info you learned ro improve your life, dont fight it simply use it for your own good... I never fought the fact that men are supposed to breadwinners insteadi went out and got myself a degree and a good job.

[Porcelaine]

@3rdSrike if he wants a virgin girl he should be a virgin himself otherwise it's hypocricy. It's bad enough he wants her to give up her life at 18 to marry him with no experiences at all, not even sexual ones? Come on, let the girl live a little and enjoy a full life before she enters marriage. It's 14 years difference, not 12. It does not matter if both partners are adults, it would be fine if she was 28 and him 42, but at 32 he is a full adult with experiences, knows what he wants, had a chance to live his life while she is still a kid, figuring herself out, people change and grow the most in their 20s, it's unfair for an older creep to take advantage of young girls like that and trap them into marriage before they are ready just because they want someone who will stay younger and tighter for them to fck. Don't tell me this has anything to do with procreation and her ability to bear children, since women are able to do that up to their forties, obviously it's best to do that at a younger age but unless you want 19 children there is no need for a girl that young. if you are 23 wanting an 18yr old is acceptable since they would be at a similar mental level and experience. While men in their 30s wanting a teenager is creepy af.

[bamesjond0069]

@Porcelaine 1. I hope you never liked a man who made more money than you. Hypocrite! LOL
2. Yes i do want a lot of kids like 8 or more. I'm well off and can afford that yes.

[Routt5]

Even a 30 year old women can have kid my mother had me when she was 40

[bamesjond0069]

@Routt5 yeah most women can but a significant amount of women cannot have kids in their 30s. And as i mentioned, its not about one kid, wheres the 30 year old who is going to push out 6 or more kids? Lmao. That is not typical, thats for young girls.

[Routt5]

Some women can't have kids in any age

[bamesjond0069]

@Routt5 and even more can't in their 30s. And the sky is blue. So there.

[Djanhk]

Usually, FASCISM wins

[RetroN]

You are. Troll lol

[RetroN]

@Porcelaine lol I’d ignore him. He’s an obvious troll. Probably a 15 years old kit sat in his mums basement.

[Djanhk]

@RetroN Hitler is a wealthy attractive man

[Porcelaine]

Yes I liked a man who had more money than me but I did not like him FOR his money. You want 8 kids? Still you don't need a 18 year old teen for that. Its ok to want younger, but if you want as young as legally possible that is sick. 8 kids you can easily have with a girl your own age or someone several years younger.

[3rdSrike]

@Porcelaine marrying a 18 year old isn't ideal and i wouldn't do it cause her mind is still too young but some men like to be able to discipline the woman they choose to marry from an early age and manipulate her to create the perfect wife, and judging by the quality of women nowadays i dont blame such men, quality women are rare so its better to just choose a younger one and teach her how to be a good wife.

as for virgnity, no he doesn't have to be a virgin, there is no rule that says if you want a virgin be a virgin thats just something people say to get back at the guy asking for a virgin, in reality though he doesn't owe her sh*t just like she doesn't owe him sh*t, and from experience i can assure you that even virgin women want an experienced man which is why we as men can get away with asking for a virgin, cause thats how things work in real life, an experienced man whos in a good financial state chooses a virgin wife whom he finds attractive and has the quality of a good wife/mother and takes care of and provides for her while she takes care of the house and his kids.

its a trade, you trade your money, experience and ability to take care of a woman with her ability to provide you with a stable, loyal and healthy family life, in america people dont care about virginity, but where i come from and despite it being a modern first world country with open sexuality, 90% of men will not marry you if you're not a virgin and no amount of complaining or shaming men has ever changed that and it will never change.

[bamesjond0069]

@3rdSrike i dont particularly care about the age too much but most women are unmarriagable already at age 18. Today it is completely normal to have slept with 10+ guys before even graduating high school. If they somehow wait they also tend to immediately after graduation sign on to debt in the form of college and rack it up with the misguided intention of getting a successful career which most (men and women) do not and then even though they are young cannot afford to have kids.

Typically in todays time and in america the only women worth anything are those you can snatch up between hs graduation and going off to college ( which if they didn't sleep around in hs they do at college).

If we just throw having kids off the table and you say well not everyone wants kids, no sane attractive man would ever bother to get married if it wasn't to benefit the formation of a family.

[Djanhk]

The only women worth anything are the ones who are not fat unlike op

[DWornock]

Because there are slightly more boys born than girls for male/female sex, the average number of sex partners is higher for women than for men. It is impossible to be otherwise. Counting all boys and girls born as men an women, I offer a $500 reward to the first person who can come up with any scenario or combination with at least one more male than females, other than zero male/female sex, where women do not average more sex partners. I will not hold my breath.

[DWornock]

And, just in case there are two men and 1 woman having sex, which is possible, that still counts as her having two partners and each of the two men having one sex partner for each time that occurs.

[Ellie-V]

What does that have to do with the take?

[Optymistyk]

Some men are gay. So you could just select most men to be gay.

Okay I hear you say that doesn't count because you mean random selection with a decent sample size and statistically speaking you should then select a similiar number of gays and lesbians. But one, you don't know that, maybe there really are more gay men than lesbians, I don't think anyone counted them. And second, female sexuality is more liquid. I have a friend who used to say she is a lesbian but now she is with a guy so even lesbians can want guys. Hence it is quite likely to randomly select a population of people that matches your criteria but favours heterosexual men.

Here's my bank account number PL 25 1020 3639 0000 8702 0149 8252 thank you very much

[dman2796]

Theirs more women than men, women just have more choices in their youth.

[DWornock]

@dman2796 Worldwide, there are 107 boy babies born for every 100 girl babies. However, I agree if you look at the total population there are more women than men, In the USA, until age 35, there are more men than woman. After age 35 there are more women than men. overflow.solutions/.../

[DWornock]

@LeraSosi Forget it; I wouldn't even fuck you. I would if you used your natural beauty to dress, pose, and appear to be the nice girl you could and should be.

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

Hey, I'm counting on my 11/10 looks, bank millions and financial empire and my 14 inches penis to attract women!
How can you say that's a bad thing?

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

Just kidding obviously, you made great points!