Nightclubs are more fun for women, in general. Op-ed.

[Robertcw]

If you look around a night club and you're like me, 20's average height, not really interested in hip-hop, or edm, left-libertarian political and moral compass a nightclub is essentially a big 'what the fuck.'

Here's why. It's a bunch of ordinary girls of all types dressed in thin and sparse clothing, often without bras, and a bunch of cocky arrogant looking guys.

I wouldn't be so bothered like this if the guys in nightclubs were essentially spread the same as the girls -- bunch of ordinary guys with sparse clothing and perhaps no underwear, but no.

Instead it's a buncha guys that look like this:

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And this:

And this:

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To which my reaction is:

WHERE ARE THE ORDINARY GUYS AT?

So yeah the whole thing seems like bogus to me. Bunch of regular girls just want to put on a skimpy outfit and party with these exclusive guys only. It's, frankly, kinda fucked up.

Including the bouncers screening the door. Letting girls in free, charging guys. Blocking ugly dudes from being allowed in and all that. It's not even fun for the men who make the cut and are in there. Why?

Because 1) they aren't allowed to walk around half naked and dance on people in the same way the girls get to. And 2) they all need to maintain the 'clubbing guy persona' to make sure all the girls have fun. 🤷🏻‍♂️

So there are two problems. The first is lookism. Discrimination of men being allowed in. The second is cultural. The macho machismo of the nightclub expectation prevents guys from being able to cut loose and dress as free-spirited as the girls inside.

So that's all this take is about. What's with the ability for girls to just go out and have tons if venues cater just for them, mostly free, and guys not? What's up with that?

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[broken_heart_at_48]

I'm from Southern California and there's enough of a variety of clubs that we all ways had a blast. I don't know if this is still the same because I haven't been out there for about 15 years, but in Carlsbad California there was about 6 or 7 bars/clubs that were a blast, and all on the same street within about 3 blocks. Everybody called it the carslbad crawl because by the time you were done you crawled home or usually to Denny's down the street. I can't remember even 1time that it wasn't fun and always left with a great story. Of course I was going trying to get laid every time, but the one time we went and my wife wanted me to get a 3some hooked up. Actually she was a little apprehensive so I told her to pick who she wanted me to get their number. Of course she picked the smokin hot bartender. The hardest chick in the club to pull. Anyways I pulled her. As a matter of fact she gave me her home, cell, and both of her work numbers. Maybe the fact that I wasn't like the club guys. Or it was the type of clubs I mean they weren't full of up tight people. I figure it's because we would be focused on each other not worrying about everyone else plus this white boy can dance. If I get a female on the dance floor and something like brick House is on or any good dance music and I got them. I dance a little sexual not pearvy but definitely up in there. On several occasions I've wound up with several women all over me on the dance floor. I could of pulled so much pussy out of those clubs. Either find clubs with a different vibe or stop trying so hard and just have fun. Chicks go there to have fun so be fun and talk to whichever female you're into.

[broken_heart_at_48]

Also I've never been the kind of guy to throw stupid lines at chicks. I just would talk to them and was pretty straight forward not rude or pushy and was usually successful

[Robertcw]

Our experiences are completely opposite man. For some reason I've always been avoided in bars or clubs or any nightlife, but during the day it's the complete opposite. I honestly don't understand it.

I always thought maybe it was because guys in bars tend to be taller than me but I don't know. Maybe because I don't take steroids?

Or maybe I'm too short for nightlife? I'm 5'8" but in bars I'm usually the shortest guy in the room. Out in public I'm not shorter than most guys. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Doesn't even make sense. It's like all the 10% of the population that's over 6' decides to go to bars.

[Robertcw]

But there is one exception. College bars. For whatever reason reception at college bars is always good for me.

Maybe I just don't look like I belong in the adult bar scene. I get along better with college students also, the high ranked the better.

Best bars I ever went to were the tavern by UCLA and a bar in Palo Alto near Stanford during the Cal Vs. Stanford big game. Honest to god.

[Robertcw]

And also, again, for whatever reason -- sororities. I don't know why, but there's always a delta gamma girl somewhere checking me out if I'm taking a class or out at a college bar or party. I don't know why that happens but it's consistent.

[Robertcw]

But anyway, point is night life isn't my thing. Shopping for groceries or doing door dash deliveries gives me more luck than going to a bar. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[broken_heart_at_48]

Not sure if this makes a difference but I'm 6ft 2inch and about 230 pounds

[Robertcw]

Yeah. That's what I thought. I don't think nightlife has any point for shorter guys.

[ZackBan]

Man it's a culture made by guys for guys. The main purpose: getting laid.
No one is forcing you to keep a "clubbing" persona going it's just what seems to work when trying to attract drunk strangers.
As for the good looking part. Well it's not that hard to be good looking even if you're born ugly, just fix your haircut and shave, dress sharp, put on some cologne, and you've good to go.

[Robertcw]

Even the dressing and haircut are cultural. You need to own the 'right clothes,' and like them. And be willing to wear a haircut for months too, cause' cuts are semi-permanent.

But I hear your point.

[ZackBan]

I actually struggled with the haircut thing, but now I've grown out my hair, haven't seen a barber in a year. It's easier than it sounds

[Mädchen]

I'm honestly starting to believe america is located on another planet far far away cause what americans descripe as normal to them is completly different where I'm from.
1. It's either both genders have to pay or neither.
2. I've Seen dudes from all ages, Looks, nationalities and Not Just one Type.
3. People usually dance withing their own circle of Friends. Yes often Guys and Girls dance with people they Just Met. But Most of the people present dance with their Friends which are usually a group consisting only males or only females. And theystill have a good time. I feel Like americans Put much more value on Hook ups or Meeting someone of the opposide gender in general when they Go clubbing.

[Robertcw]

Sounds better than Ametica.

[DonCachondo]

The difference might have something to do with the fact that, unlike Germany, the US outright prohibits prostitution (with very little exception). Consequently, the masses of horny men in the US have no reliable outlet--certainly not on a same-day basis--and the most expedient sexual encounter they can hope for is haphazardly seducing an inebriated stranger in public. Even the strip clubs in the US are run like adult daycare centers. You can't even grab a bare titty when it's swinging right in front of your face! What gives?

[Moonchild714]

Where I'm from here in USA women have to pay to get in the Nightclubs. There are more women at Nightclubs than men that's because modt guys that do go were dragged there by Women or they are dudes looking to Hook-up with drunk girls. In general, everyone usually stays and dances with those who they came with. It sounds like you have gone to the High-Profile Nightclubs where you have to be on a List, Sexy as Fuck, Know Someone, or be an A-Lister... Those Clubs Ordinarywho are Nit Smoking Hot don't get in!!!

[Robertcw]

This is true. One of the many 'perks' of California. 'sigh.'

These photos are from a place in Korea Town, Los Angeles. 🙄

[Robertcw]

It can be more fun with a coed friend group though. Definitely. I fact, that's the only time I've ever enjoyed bar hopping.

[cphipps48]

I’m in a bigger city in the Midwest USA and there are always commercials on the radio that girls get into this nightclub and that nightclub and the other nightclub for free, it’s biased and it’s scientifically proven why they do it, social media is especially part of that nowadays so when they get “attractive girls” to get more social attention and business it looks better on the nightclub even tho guys always have to pay and sometimes don’t get allowed in and they’re always jocks or whatnot, life is tough based on how you used your personal life but some stuff is messed up like that, it is what it is

[Moonchild714]

Those who are using Social Media and trying to go for a certain image are only allowing the Hottest Girls and Guys in, Average of either Gender is Not getting into those Clubs. It's no different that Ladies Nights that use to be a thing women got in bars for cheap or drinks were cheaper whole the gyys full price, because more women more guys. Same theory in grocery stores Beverages will be really cheap because they know you'll spend the money on tbe snacks to go with the beverages... So the women are the beverages and you guys are the more expensive snacks...

[Moonchild714]

Thank you for MHO.

[razelove]

Ahh, I had these same thoughts in Miami, and realized by not going to the club it would be cheaper to fix up a boat and make runs to key biscayne through the canals and other places to go fishing. I let my ex-wife go with my cousin, they seemed to have a lot of fun, again, I just went fishing and making money.

Nightclubs are fun for men and you can dress normal if you don't have any morals and do have a sack of e or coke. Then it is a profitable experience. Besides that I'm with you, expensive drinks, one night stand, empty wallet.

Also you have to realize they are a business. The real money they make comes from bottle sales and VIP booths to get out of those crowd presses you have pictured. If you're a guy and you drop 500 dollars on a bottle of liqour around a crowd of women with half the ability to talk decently, they are following you like the pied piper to your table. If you drop more money on a private room, booth, whatever the club offers, you've now pied pipered them to two locations and can probably peel off women for your group to do whatever with, to, etc.

The one club experience I can get behind is the pool party idea.

Again though, you have to realize it is a business. How do you get men to pay 50 dollars in cover and 15 dollars a drink, typically 2 at a time? By having a surplus of women. How do you sell a 30 dollar bottle of liquor for 500? By attaching status and more women to it. How do you sell 50-100 square feet for 1000? Same.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

"Pied pipered"

Top tier verb game 😂

[Anonymous]

Sounds crazy but give it a try it works!! Agreed girls have all the fun so when going GUYS try dressing up as one of the girls! Sounds nuts but just try it! Ask any girl to. help with make up and clothing choice. With the right combinations and a little luck. A dark night club with drunks everywhere too busy looking to. notice a difference. My boyfriend got way more with the ladies as one of the ladies.. and when they found out his secret it was more like a bonus to them

[Robertcw]

You are a genius.

[sagevalentineee]

I just realised I have never... not once... paid to go partying... It hasn't even crossed my mind that I need to bring money...

[Robertcw]

Appreciate you writing that non-anon! Like or not, that is real privilege. And that's not even considering the other perks.

[sagevalentineee]

Yeah, I suppose I recognise the unfairness of it. Even though I really appreciate the attention, and I like being the one who doesn't have to do any chasing... I do recognise how unfair it is for guys who buy me drinks and things like that because 60% of the time, I will accept it, even if I'm not interested at all. I should probably be more honest.

[Robertcw]

Yeah, idrk. I have actually never even bought anyone a drink. It seems odd to me to even do that. But then again I don't really like drinking in the first place.

I enjoy flirting out in public in the middle of the day totally sober. Places like shopping malls, grocery stores, movie theaters, take out food places and beaches.

I only do sober stuff, and part of the reason why is because of what I wrote here I think. If I could wear a revealing toga and just dance on whoever I wanted with free everything then maybe I'd do it more (srs).

Anyway! Merry Christmas and thanks for your response!

[Cyrus03]

Girls are less likely to go to clubs than guys, so extra guys are not needed.
So only the best guys who the girls prefer will be given special privileges while any women willing to throw it around is given it, simply because there's less of them.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Obviously.

1. Women like that shit.
2. Men will go where the women
3. Men will spend their money on women where they find them.

The whole design of the place is mean to rake in primarily women, who will in turn rake in men, who will being with them that sweet moolah and spend it on extremely overpriced good and services.

Bouncers are often told to try to keep the gender ratio at about 1/2 to 2/3 female.
This makes it a more appealing environment to *both women and men.*
They have a fire code of course, so you aren't allowed to pack too many people into a club but that is a perfect excuse to throttle people at the door -- if they even bother with an excuse at all.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Clubs ate designed to exploit male ego and desire for female approval. The men like to think they're in control coz they the ones approaching and paying for drinks. But its actually a female led environment, and as such is tilted against men's interests and rewards women for simply turning up. Men must learn to overcome the nightclub, women can afford to just let go and BE overcome by it.

[Robertcw]

Agree. It's kinda dumb. I want to try clubbing like a woman, that would be so much more fun.

[GOOSEBOY78]

stop being a jaded person. if you dont like rap/EDM/techno
find a rock/metal club instead. the hypocracy as you see it is because women bring the men.
and men bring in the money.

[Robertcw]

I am pretty jaded in general. I can't easily relate to most people anymore.

[GOOSEBOY78]

well: there's ya problem. you need to do some soul searching to find out why. at your age life hasn't begun to f**k with you yet. and there is worse things in life than crappy music and overpriced drinks at a bar.

[Robertcw]

Maybe so.

[Anonymous]

How badly unattractive men are treated is something nobody talks about and that women savor.

Women look at us as sub-human creatures that they can abuse with impunity flocking to the men who can get women just like them with no problem and see them as cum dumpsters who they will treat like crap and easily replace

I have no more sympathy for the consequences of the choices they make. He drugs her and rapes her in the bathroom? oh well... she chose him. She says no and he beats her ass? Oh well...(this may be a future Mytake)

[hellacray]

I don't go to night clubs. For me I see it as a big waste of time.

I don't like the music they play, it's too loud, crowded, etc...

[Truthatanycost]

Night clubs are a scam, ego driven, and of low vibration. Smart men should avoid them at all cost.

Any guy that wastes his hard earned cash buying random girls drinks, is being a fool. When was the last time a girl paid for your drink?

[cheapshotbob]

i think the main reason guys dress like that do is because of movies that d this
in dance clubs lol

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CTJlmlZWWHA

[taleets]

It’s definitely more fun for girls but guys only go if they have cash to spare and want to get laid. That is what I have noticed!

[Avicenna]

Your criticisms are valid, but guys also don't HAVE to try to play a losing hand there and can go have fun elsewhere. College campuses are a good alternative, even if you aren't a student there.

[MackToday]

The Vegas strip is only fun during the day, window shopping, restaurants. It dies about 9 pm when the night club trash take over. After that it's all rudeness drunkenness and stupidity, no one is any fun after 9 in Vegas, all scum.

[blackrose_]

Not for me
I hate nightclubs
I prefer to go on a restaurant or in a quiet place

[Anonymous]

All true, plus the ratio of men to women in a club is usually 4:1 or 5:1 if you’re lucky. Total sausage party... no thanks. I can’t think of a worse place to meet quality women than a bar or club.

[englisc]

Why not just become one of the guys who can do well in clubs? Then you wouldn't give a shit.

[Robertcw]

I think I could do okay as I am. But I can't fake the persona that I don't have. Moreover I'm 5'8" and so don't stand out in a crowd.

College campuses, beaches, shopping malls and gyms are much better for me. I'm a day game guy if I were to try to play at all. No question about it.

Night life is not my element, and the only exception to this are pop-punk Venus because that's what I grew up on. Things like warped tour. That tour has been discontinued now though, regrettably.

The second best option for me are underground rock venues with dance floors. But even then, nightlife just isn't enjoyable to me. It would be like a job.

[englisc]

I always did fine in clubs, and I don't have a hugely extroverted persona either. I don't really dance, I'm not super loud. Still, I did ok. And I'm shorter than you.

If you do ok in those areas, why would you care at all about nightclubs?

[Robertcw]

Because they have lore. And so people get excited to try them. But unfortunately they're mostly trash.

Take me to a beach. Okay. Movies, okay. Nightclub? No not interested.

[rjroy3]

Your sense of reality is skewed and you don't go out enough if you feel like there aren't average looking guys all around

[rjroy3]

Unless you're in Brazil, male model central and what not.

[Miristheiss]

A club isn't where you will find a real woman.
The fact that is where she likes to go is already a blight on her character.

[CubsterShura]

I'd never go to a nightclub even if they paid me for entering.