Reality Check: Police Kill African Americans at a Disproportionately Low Rate

[RationalMale]

As you all have heard, police kill African americans at a disproprotionately high rate, way more than the 13% of the population they are.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/05/28/police-shootings-black-americans-disproportionately-affected-infographic/?sh=4b01934159f7

And in some areas 6x as many black people compared to white people.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2246987-us-police-kill-up-to-6-times-more-black-people-than-white-people/

Reality check: African Americans commit the majority of murders in the USA even though they are roughly 1/5 the population that White Americans are.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Put another way, per FBI statistics of 2019 above, White Americans would have needed to commit roughly 32,125 homicides last year to commit homicides at the same rate as African Americans. Do the math, and you'll realize that African Americans compared to White Americans are shot at a disproportionately low rate by police when compared to homicide rates.

Commence crying and screams of "No! Statistics are racist!" Please note: you won't find any of the crying liberals using facts. They'll simply say it's racist to notice this reality. Or they'll say it's White People's fault and you can't hold African americans to the same standards as whites.

[AnhEsbRotj]

You are speaking some truth there friend!
and many people here have no response but "RACIST!!"



Even the attempts at arguing with you simply take a "population size vs police shooting rate" WHICH when taken at face value suggests clear prejudice

no one wants to speak about the extremely high crime rates in black neighborhoods
and that higher crime rates = higher rates of police encounters


This doesn't even speak to the extreme gang violence, anti-police sentiment, the fact that black communities rarely work openly with police.. etc
This creates an hostile situation where ultimately Police are immediately labelled as bad guys by the Black community (even though the majority of them are fairly good people just working a job)

INDEED there are cases of Police mishandling situations and outright abusing people (the same applies to the White neighborhood... where such stories are ignored because it doesn't fulfill a narrative)

Still...
the complete lies pushed by the media...
the statistics they clearly abuse to push a false narrative
it doesn't help anyone
it doesn't help the police
it doesn't help black people
it doesn't help black communities

all it does is create tension and chaos and prevent any real constructive elements from prevailing.

[josephinelcajon]

In direct proportion in blacks violence and resisting arrest!

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

Yet, your post is irrational, which contradicts your username RationalMale. In the title, you claim that police kill Black people at a disproportionately low rates, but in the post, proceed to compare the rates of Black people being killed by police to homicide rates. The problem with that is general homicide rates and police killing rates are two completely different things. The murder rate in general is higher than the police killing rate, oftentimes, no matter the race of the perpetrator. For example, police killed 1,127 people in 2020 and White people killed 4,728 people in 2019, the latest crime statistics available thus far. Thus, White people kill people at about 4-times the rate that police kill people. Because of this, general murder rates and police killing rates should never be compared for logical reasons. The Black homicide rate is completely irrelevant to Black victimization rate by police, or any other race for that matter.

If the issue is about comparing rates of Black people being killed by cops, the more rational thing would be to compare the rates of police killing Black people to police killing non-Blacks. With that, Black people were 28% of those killed by police in 2020 despite being only 13% of the population. In addition, according to other studies, the facts are that Black people are about 3-times more likely to be killed by police. Of which, 14% of those Black victims were unarmed, compared to 9% of White victims. In addition, about 22% of cases were mental health related; 18% were suspected "suicide by cop" incidents, with White victims more likely than Black or Hispanic victims to die in these circumstances. This proves that police killings are indeed disproportionately Black. More evidence for that could be found in the link below. It's not that facts or statistics are racist. It's way that people use them and make their arguments that can be racist. Why not simply acknowledge the reality of police killing Blacks at higher rates and try working together to solve that problem? Doing so wouldn't be considered racist and could help Black people and police relations in the long run.

https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/s/MPVDatasetDownload.xlsx
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0749379716303841

[AnhEsbRotj]

His point is very clearly
Higher Crime Rates = Higher Rates of Encounters with Police = Higher Rates of Police Shootings

[RationalMale]

See folks, point proven. Black people commit about 52% of homicides yet are only 28% of police killings.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@AnhEsbRotj: Why do you say "very clearly?" He didn't make that point at all. First, if you read the title, you'd see that his point is that police kill Black people at a "disproportionately low rate," which simply isn't true. The stats and studies that I posted showed that Black people are indeed more likely to be shot by police at higher rates. Secondly, he directly explains his point is supported by Black people having higher rates of murder. If you need any more proof of that, simply read his comment directly below us. Having a higher murder rates is not the same thing as a "police encounter rate" because not every police encounter is relevant to murder, nor did he post any evidence of (Black) murder suspects being more likely to be shot by police. Even if that were the case, it would still only prove that the murder rate would be the reason for HIGHER rates of Black police shootings, not lower rates.
@RationalMale: That doesn't prove your point. Again, you're comparing the murder rate to the police shooting rate. If you are claiming that Black people are killed by police at disproportionately low rates, then you have to compare the police killing rate to the Black population and to the rates of other races. With that, because Black people are shot by cops 28% of the time when they're 13% of the population, this shows that they are killed at disproportionately higher rates. When you have 6,425 Black-committed murders out of 16,245 total murders, the percentage is 39%, not 52%. The fact that Black people committed 39% of the murders doesn't negate the rate that police kill them. That alone proves the conclusion of your entire post wrong. The fact that you're still not acknowledging this and still choosing to downplay Black issues is likely why people would refer to you as racist, not because of your statistics alone.

[AnhEsbRotj]

I think you are missing the point (perhaps on purpose)

If we take your standard
"Blacks make up 26% of Police shootings, but only 13% of the population"
That by itself clearly shows some degree of prejudice

BUT it assumes, that the Black community, White community, Asian community.. ETC all commit the same rates of crime...
Therefore IF THEY DID.. it would clearly be seen as prejudice

The main poster here is clearly stating that the Black community, though only 13% of the population.. makes up a very disproportionate amount of the crime rate...
He highlights murders.. which blacks account for over 50% of USA murders each year... as an example of this being untrue
The same goes for rates or robberies, auto theft, burglary etc etc.. which according to the FBI unformed crime report... Blacks tend to make up over 30% of each those (up to 50%) each year.

In this case
the falsehood is being pushed by you
because it assumes all communities can be counted on the basis of their population, and not on the basis of their crime rates.
WHEN IN REALITY... the Black community does account for a very disproportionate amount of crime
therefore, it can be logically assumed a disproportionate amount of police encounters (be it for murder.. be it for theft.. be it for robbery.. ETC)
and therefore, it can be assumed that they would account for a disproportionate amount of police shootings... due to that disproportionate amount of police encounters

He highlights murder specifically, because its clearly one of the worst (if not the worst) crimes that can be committed... a portion of the population that only accounts for 13%... accounts for half of murders.
^ the same can be applied to gang violence issues in black communities
which doesn't even speak about cultural attitudes...
be it towards police themselves
or cultural attitudes towards success... be it through education.. or be it through child rearing.. ETC.. that would heavily influence these rates (and also influence poverty)

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@AnhEsbRotj: I understand your point completely. I understand that not every race commits crime at the same rate. I never said they did. The point that I'm making is no matter how high the murder rate is for Black people, it doesn't negate the fact that Blacks are still killed by police at higher rates, not lower ones. To make myself clear, I'm not debating WHY police officers kill Blacks at the rate they do. I'm debating his direct "reality check" conclusion (in his title) that Blacks are killed by police at lower rates, and his support of that conclusion being because Blacks have the highest murder rate. That makes no logical sense and the information in my post proves that. There is a huge difference between a racial group being MORE LIKELY TO KILL and that same group being MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLED by another group. His post basically concludes that first difference cancels out the other. That's not "reality." WHY cops kill Black people at higher rates is a completely different issue and isn't the point of this guy's post. Cops are only authorized to use deadly force when suspects threaten their lives or the lives of other people. We can't automatically assume that simply because a group has a higher murder rate that they automatically have a higher rate of threatening cops' lives or other people in the vicinity of cops. Proving that requires different sets of evidence. The evidence that I posted in my second link showed that Whites actually have a higher rate of responding to cops more violently than Black people despite differences of crime rates. Thus, I'm not pushing any falsehoods, nor have I ever assumed that all communities should be counted based on their population. I'm simply stating that higher murder rates don't automatically disprove the high rates that Blacks are killed by cops. If your point was actually true, it would explain why the rate for Blacks being killed by cops is HIGH, not LOW.

[AnhEsbRotj]

And this is precisely the problem
the falsehoods that are consistently pushed

The idea that somehow there is some extreme prejudice being push towards the black community
that somehow blacks are far more likely to be shot by police
etc

its all nonsense
the stats simply dont support it
nor do they support much of the BLM rhetoric

which you have clearly shown here in your agreement with me.

Cops simply DONT kill blacks at a higher rate
yet that is the narrative that is consistently pushed

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@AnhEsbRotj: I'm not pushing falsehoods. The problem is people refuse to accept the facts and admit cops do kill Blacks at higher rates. America does have a long history of extreme Black prejudice. Thus, it can play a role in police shootings. Statistics support it too. As the statistics in the study I posted shows, Blacks are 3-times more likely to be killed by cops, and even more when unarmed and non-threatening. No excuses should exist for killing unarmed non-threatening Blacks, no matter the crime rate. I don't agree with you. You're trying to explain the author's point for him, like he's explaining WHY cops kill Blacks at higher rates when clearly he's not. He believes Blacks aren't disproportionately killed by cops since the murder rate of 52% (actually 39%) is higher than 28%. Like I said before, that makes no sense since Black murder rates and cops-killing-Black people rates are two different things that don't cancel each other.

To prove that Blacks are killed by cops at a low rate, he needs to show non-Blacks are killed at higher rates than Blacks. He didn't do that because he can't, and my information shows him why he can't. This isn't "BLM rhetoric" either. I literally posted an entire database of every known police killing in 2020, which mentions race, news articles, and even if the suspects were armed. I also posted a study detailing the nature of deaths through police encounters, all with statistics from the National Violent Death Reporting System data. All the information proves me right. The true problem is people refuse to accept that Blacks are indeed killed at higher rates by cops even with the information directly in front of them, which doesn't help Blacks at all. Accepting these facts and working together to form a solution to these problems would be much more helpful than rejecting the truth simply because you don't like it.

[AnhEsbRotj]

Once again, no
Blacks are not killed by police at higher rates in accordance to the FBI Uniform Crime Report
Statistically, Blacks are victims at about equal to their rate of crimes committed overall.
But very heavily underrepresented by overall crime rate (according to FBI Uniform Crime Report)
Your report claims that White individuals are statistically more likely to be "Death by Cop" which could easily explain the Violence towards Cops issue
AND to be entirely honest
statistically, none of these is an extreme difference
Its well within a margin of error statistically.
None of this proves any prejudiced by Police officers against the Black community
and instead shows, that much of the BLM rhetoric is false
there is no disproportionate difference
because communities do NOT act the same
communities do not have the same crime rates

IF we applied such logic
the clearly this would be an Asian Supremacist nation
and Whites and Blacks and Hispanic etc would be the ones being oppressed.

Lets stick with facts

[AnhEsbRotj]

and to be honest
RIGHT NOW
its time for the Black community to start taking responsibility for its own
to put family first
to put education first
to create a positive culture that doesn't succumb to victimhood.. that doesn't push racist rhetoric constantly

Much of these struggles of the Black community
are self made

and the assumption that a black person is incapable of making a positive decision
I THINK is ultimately one of the greatest failings of todays society

instead of laying blame on others
how about lets accept some responsibility for our own choices?
instead of making martyrs of our criminals

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@AnhEsbRotj: The difference is disproportionate. If a group is only 13%, but are victims of 28% police killings, then this is true. This shows that shows that Blacks have higher rates of being killed by cops. It doesn't matter if communities don't have the same crime rates. You're missing a major point of my argument, or you're either ignoring it purposely. Having a higher crime rate and getting shot by the police at higher rates are two completely different things. Simply because a group commits more crime than another at a higher rate doesn't mean that police have to shoot individuals of that group at a higher rate. As I said before, for crime rates and the rate of police shootings to be relevant, you have to prove that Black suspects are more likely to respond violently to cops than suspects of other races. This is important because police are only authorized to shoot suspects when they are threatening in some way to people's lives. However, you have many police officers that have killed many people, especially Black people, when unarmed. You have no explanation for this occurrence. As I've shown time and time again, the info in my link shows that Black suspects are not more likely to be violent towards police despite having higher crime rates. This proves that police officers are more prone to shooting Blacks even when they aren't as threatening towards them or others. If this isn't the result of some sort of prejudice or bias, then what is it?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@AnhEsbRotj: To address your claim about more police encounters relating to more police shootings, I'm not convinced. When examining arrest rates between races, police encounter Whites very often, as you can't make an arrest without a police encounter. Of these 10,085,210 arrests in 2019, (some data is missing), 7,014,550 were White. Regarding Whites, despite being around 60% of the population, Whites were arrested for 61.7% of aggravated assaults, 68.2% of burglaries, 66.3% of larcenies, 67.5% of motor vehicle thefts, 70.7% of arson, 64.7% of simple assault, 67% of forgery, 65.8% of fraud, 60.5% of embezzlement, 61.4% of possession of stolen property, 68.4% of vandalism, 71.1% of drug abuse offenses, 65.8% of domestic offenses, 81.4% of DUIs, 77.6% of liquor offenses, 75.5% for public drunkenness, and 63.5% for disorderly conduct. This proves that, in terms of total numbers, police encounter Whites more often than Blacks when making arrests. In addition, police also encounter people not just through crimes and making arrests, but also routine traffic stops, mental health checks, and welfare checks, which are not crimes, but could still also potentially lead to shootings. Despite this, and despite the data from the study from the National Violent Death Reporting System showing that Whites are more likely to be armed, violent, mentally ill, and attempt suicide by cop in police encounters compared to Blacks, Blacks still have higher rates of being shot by police, especially when unarmed. This should raise a lot of red flags and questions should definitely be asked. How do you explain this?
www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/ucr.asp?table_in=2

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@AnhEsbRotj: I agree with responsibility, but you also should understand that Blacks aren't to blame for everything. I believe others also need to take responsibility for their actions towards the Black community too. The problem is people don't want to admit guilt when they wrong the Black community, but expect the Black community to take responsibility for everything to absolve themselves of blame. For instance, Black people aren't to blame for being discriminated against in the employment and business sector for having "Black sounding names" regardless of education level, causing many Black people to struggle landing higher paying jobs. Black people aren't to blame for police killing them at such high rates when they're unarmed. They're also not to blame for having much higher rates of being discriminated against in the housing sector when homeowners refuse to sell or rent to them in certain neighborhoods. Blacks are not to blame for them being the biggest target of hate crimes since they were statistically recorded. Black people are also not to blame for having much higher rates of being accepted to live in low-income housing and welfare because of the discrimination, which often has policies that break up families to maintain. Of course, all this usually results in poverty and higher crime rates. The point is, everything that happens within the Black community isn't our fault and mentioning this stuff isn't creating a "culture of victimhood." It's simply calling out mistreatment. The problem is people don't want to admit it and much rather finger-point rather than acknowledge these problems, solve them, and help others do better. Unfortunately, you have too many people that benefit from others being held down.

[bamesjond0069]

Damn why y'all type so much? Police kill a disproportionate amount of criminals and people of interest. Blacks are disproportionally criminals and people of interest. The disproportion is 100% explained by blacks being more likely to be criminals.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@bamesjond0069: I'm not convinced that's true. As I explained to the other guy that didn't explain himself yet, police are only authorized to shoot suspects that threaten lives. Evidence proves that not only are White people arrested 69% of the time, but studies and statistics show that White people are more likely to be violent and threatening to lives during police encounters, whereas Blacks are more likely to be unarmed and non-threatening during police encounters. Despite these facts, Black people are still more likely to be shot by police at higher rates. Therefore, the crime rate is actually irrelevant to the police killing rate. This proves that police killings are not always relevant to crime.

[bamesjond0069]

I don't see data supporting any of what you said. Nor does it seem to make sense to me what you said.

Police can't shoot people they dont interact with. You have to physically be near a police to get shot or beat by one? So obviously thats the top of the funnel to what steps need to be taken to be shot by police. Step 1 be near a police. If you never are near a police you will never be shot by one. Black people disproportionately interact with police. See links provided above.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@bamesjond0069: I'm not surprised that you don't understand. You're that same guy that had trouble understanding the difference between a political party and a political ideology. My point is very simple really. I understand that police interact with people that they shoot. My point wasn't challenging that. My point is not every police interaction warrants a shooting. Police are only authorized to shoot people when they threaten lives and no other action could be taken to stop them. Evidence shows that Whites are more likely to be threatening, armed, and attempting suicide by cop during police interactions compared to Black people, which could be found in the second link of my original post. Blacks, on the other hand, are less likely to be armed and posing a threat when interacting with police. Thus, this proves that police are actually more likely to shoot Blacks when they didn't have to compared to Whites. Because of that, the high rate of Blacks being shot by cops is ultimately irrelevant to the police encounter rate.

[bamesjond0069]

Where is the evidence that blacks are hardly armed or violent? All the past few media promoted killings were all armed blacks.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@bamesjond0069: The evidence is found in the second link of my original post. I'll bring it here and highlight some of the information in the study to save you some time. As for the media promoting Black suspects being armed, well, I never said that Black armed suspects didn't exist. Most people that are killed by police are indeed generally armed regardless of race. I'm not disputing that. My point is that police are simply more likely to kill Black suspects when they're unarmed. Also, I recommend getting your facts from reliable raw studies rather than the media because certain media outlets can be heavily biased.

www.sciencedirect.com/.../S0749379716303841
www.ajpmonline.org/.../fulltext

"Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims"

"Four case subtypes were examined based on themes that emerged in incident narratives: about 22% of cases were mental health related; 18% were suspected “suicide by cop” incidents, with white victims more likely than black or Hispanic victims to die in these circumstances;"

"Black victims were significantly more likely to be unarmed than white or Hispanic victims. Black victims were also significantly less likely than whites to have posed an immediate threat to LE. White victims were significantly more likely than black victims to be killed in incidents related to mental health or substance-induced disruptive behaviors and more likely than black or Hispanic victims to be involved in potential “suicide by cop” incidents."

[Anonymous]

How Americans act (nothing to see here) just fighting for American democracy which really means send American troops to the Middle East to colonize and kill as many people as possible. Then Americans say OHHH LOOK AT THOSE DIRTY ARABS CHANTING DOWN WITH USA. Meanwhile the Wahabbi regime of Saudi Arabia and Zionist regime of Israel suck the teet of the USA.

One day another world war will happen or another civil war will happen in the US which will be down fall of the American empire, just like how other empires have collapsed throughout history. Nothing lasts forever. Ohh and to the poster: white cops have killed tons of black people stop lying to yourself to make yourself feel better. I could state way more things but the truth will come where people can no longer hide from.

Dudes like the one who post questions like these seems to have this insane view of right and left (both are evil). See how I’m not taking sides? I am not a capitalist, I am not a socialist, I am not a communist, I am not that ism or this ism-based ideology. For those who hate my guts after my post well the dislike 👎 button is down there 👇 click it I really don’t give two shits.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/85Pk0ljmR04https://www.youtube.com/embed/3fGQ8pF3wYUhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/nSioCETYCZ0

[hahahmm]

What the numbers say is that almost all of the murders by black people were black on black & black males were the victim. Wheras whites kill lots of men and women. Presumably if you are in a gang war situation it's more likely you kill/get killed than if you're not. Still, the overall numbers are pretty low. We're talking about a few thousand murders out of millions and millions of people.

As far as the police... it's similar to how you're not losing sleep over a random white person killing another white person but you'd be up in arms if ISIS killed the white guy down the street from you.

[RationalMale]

Interesting imaginary numbers you have there.

[hahahmm]

No, I just bothered to read the FBI stats you linked to. Often times people don't bother to read the data they claim supports their preconceived notion. Reading and research is a lost art these days. Next.

[RationalMale]

You missed out the population difference, actually. White American homicide rate against women is less than 1/3 what the black homicide rate against women is.

[Celtero]

I believe the right way to represent the facts are by saying...

Blacks are killed at a disproportionally low rate when compared to the amount of violent crime they commit leading to police response. For the amount of violent crime white men commit, they're killed by the police more than black men are.

... BUT, since black men commit more crime, they're also disproportionately more likely to be victims of police violence.

And all this is a waste of words, because the BLM types are far too ignorant and ideologically motivated to hear any of it.

[R3DthatDude]

I wanted to just pass this post by, but ignorance is like gnat constantly flying in my face.
Here bro: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/


And to get a visual I am also inserting the link of the list of names of every single black human being killed by police from January 1st 2000 up to the killing event of Michael Brown. Note this doesn’t even include a lot mor killings that accused in the 90s as well. Here you go bro. If you actually care and not trying to be jerk.


https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/project-gathers-stories-of-those-killed-in-police-violence/

[R3DthatDude]

My issue with this post is, why do you feel the need to try to prove what you are trying to say, you must feel guilty or something, what are you trying to accomplish? What? It seems people who specifically choose to degrade the plight of black people seems to feel guilty about something because I honestly don’t understand why you would want to berate the pain of a group of people and try to belittle it. I can only think you either are just trying to get a rise out of someone or something else

[AnhEsbRotj]

Honestly, I think that WP post quite literally proves his point

Because its quite dishonest to take such a statistic, and compare it to a groups equivalent population size
It makes the assumption that every community acts the same way, holds the same cultural attitudes.. Etc
Which we both know isn't true

Same is applied to Asians and educational success.
Should we then assume these is some form of prejudice against Whites, because they do not attain the same success (or make the same $$ per capita)
Obviously not? Asian cultural attitudes are more influenced by rigid family structures and emphasis on education and success.

The Black community commits a higher rate of crime (according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report) and thus it would be suggested suffer higher rates of police encounters (which inevitably lead to higher police shooting rates)
Would there be cases of police perpetrated violence? Sure.. no one on either side of the political aisle denies this
But as a leftist myself and a Bernie supporter
I can tell you much of the rhetoric from the left comes from a dishonest position.
that holds little to no logical standard.

[AnhEsbRotj]

And to be further detailed
IF the Black community only accounted for their equivalent population size in police shootings (Which is basically the entire argument for their being clear prejudice)
then it would be a clear sign of favoritism for the black community by the police.
Simply put if Blacks made up only 13% of police victims (yet still committed the very disproportionate amount of crime) it would show they were being favored by police departments, while other races were being targeted unfairly
BUT the rate of police victims that are black.. compared to crime rates.. isn't particularly showing any sign of overarching police prejudice (you can fight on an individual case.. no one doubts that) but overall.. no?
YET
this seems to be the basis of the argument? that somehow population equates to something? without recognizing the complexities of each community

Its like looking the global economy
and assuming that every countries economy.. . should be their equivalent of the population
as opposed to their real output?
OR that every hockey team should win the same amount of games... and its clearly unfair if one team wins more? Even if there are many factors that play a role in the success of a hockey program?

[masonova1]

Oh my god, this is just 13/50.

Okay. Every single socioeconomic phenomenon is a result of one or both of two different things: environmental factors, or genetic factors. Sorry, right-wingers, sure don't look like black people are genetically predisposed to violence, so it *must* be environmental, then. But if you don't have an alternative or a solution and you're not ;particularly concerned with doing anything about it, then why are you saying this other than to dogwhistle about black people?

[WhiteSteve]

What’s it like living in irrational fear everyday? Oh wait... I bet you don’t fear anyone, because you carry a big gun on you. I actually grew up almost exclusively around black folks... funny, none of them ever tried to rob me, shoot me, any of that. And any normal human conflict we settled with our hands like men.

Just lmfao. I hope you find peace in your life one day, though, sincerely🙏

[Tamera952]

Seems like a position in search of justifiable statistics... come on dude, what are you trying to get at here? (I mean really?) ... Whatever cherry-picked BS you've assembled isn't convincing anyone of the opposite of what we all know to be a reality, mainly the (general) treatment of African Americans by the police.

[AnhEsbRotj]

To be honest with you
comparing such a statistic to a communities equivalent population size... isn't a good comparison.
Simply because one community makes up 13% of the population.. doesn't mean they will make up 13% of the crimes.. 13% of the doctors... 13% of the police... 13% of the business owners.. Etc

Cultural attitudes are unique in each group
Asians for example, tend to perform better than Whites in many categories.. simply due to cultural differences (Asians for one, have an extreme emphasis on Family/Success/Education.. that Whites have slowly lost over the decades) and this would clearly influence the education rate of Asian people

By the logic of Police shootings (assuming that 26% of shooting victims are Black.. and they only make 13% .. therefore its racism)

We could also assume that because an disproportionate amount of Asians graduate college..
that its a clear sign that White people are being oppressed
but we both know thats BS.. and that many factors play a role

in the case of Black shooting victims
because because the Black community accounts for a very disproportionate amount of the crime
that 13% of the population.. according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report. . accounts for over 50% of murders.. over 50% of robberies.. over 30% of violent crimes... each and every year
Which would thus lead to more police encounters... and eventually more shootings (though most people shot by police are White.. obviously)

None the less
the Population comparison is a ridiculous one
and seems to only be applied when convenient
be it for womens issues when its applicable (without accepting the clear differences between men and women)
or race issues... whenever people want to create some form of chaos
^ but once you apply the same standard to Asian success
its immediately ignored

its silly

[dawsonnata]

I think if you don't do nothing wrong and don't upset people and don't fight police and generally behave in a orderly way you usually don't end up shot no matter what your pigmentation is

[RationalMale]

Yeah. People need to realize if you think a cop is wrong, a lawyer or tv news station is the bet, not a fight.

[AnhEsbRotj]

This is truth :)

[Anonymous]

We should be focusing on how many unarmed blacks are killed by police. I dont care if they kill 100 million blacks who are armed and non compliant when dealing with police. It is about the unarmed blacks who should not have been killed. They number is a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a fraction

[SlightlyEccentric]

Don't let the lefties here you say that. They might call you racist.

[RationalMale]

[rjroy3]

32% of the US population claims to own firearms, yet this population accounts for 100% of the gun crime in the US

[purplepoppy]

This is why we need police quotas so they get the balance right

[Snakeyes7]

That will only lead to more unnecessary encounters with the police to keep up with said quota, false accusations and convictions and will ultimately be a waste of taxpayer money. Is that what you want?

[Pete671]

perfectly said purplepoppy!

[Gravit1]

Yes, but the data would suggest the riots were unjustified. However, The TV, Government, and Class Room tells me they were justified and did not exist. I don't know who to believe.

[Gedaria]

True , but why do they fight the police, when being arrested
The you fight the more force they use. It's better to be wrongfully arrested than killed from it..

[007kingifrit]

its true, per the amount of crime they do they are vastly underrepresented

[The_Sal]

there's no point in arguing with a sheep 🐑
the news was made for them. perfect brainwash detergent

[joeldalton]

Or they’ll just tell you to “shut up”. A clear sign they have nothing to debate your facts.

[QuietRunner]

I guess you can't argue with Statistics.

Also in 2016 accroding to FBI statistics 4.3% of all homicides were caused by personal weapons such as hands, fists, feet, etc.

I need laws banning those weapons.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Lack of strong positive father figures negatively impacts people's lives.