Biden's strategy of vaccinating in the middle of a pandemic is a disaster and I can explain why.

[Juxtapose]

"The essence of this arms race is this: The more people you vaccinate, the greater the number of vaccine-resistant mutations you are likely to get, the less durable the vaccines will become, ever more powerful vaccines will have to be developed, and individuals will be exposed to more and more risk.

Science tells us here that today’s vaccines, which use novel gene therapy technologies, generate powerful antigens that direct the immune system to attack specific components of the virus. Thus, when the virus infects a person with a “leaky” vaccination, the viral progeny will be selected to escape or resist the effects of the vaccine.

If the entire population has been trained via a universal vaccination strategy to have the same basic immune response, then once a viral escape mutant is selected, it will rapidly spread through the entire population – whether vaccinated or not.

A far more optimal strategy is to vaccinate only the most vulnerable. This will limit the amount of vaccine-resistant mutations and thereby slow, if not halt, the current vaccine arms race."

"We are not “anti-vax.” One of us (Dr. Malone) invented the core mRNA technology being used by Pfizer and Moderna to produce their vaccines and has spent his entire professional career developing and advancing novel vaccine technologies, vaccines, and other medical countermeasures. The other (Mr. Navarro) played a key role at the Trump White House in jumpstarting Operation Warp Speed and ensuring timely delivery of the vaccines.

We are simply saying that just because you have a big vaccine hammer, it is not necessarily wise to use it for every nail. The American people deserve better than a universal vaccination strategy under the flag of bad science and enforced through authoritarian measures.

• Dr. Robert Malone is the discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and the inventor of mRNA vaccines while he was at the Salk Institute in 1988. Peter Navarro served in the Trump White House as the Defense Production Act Policy Coordinator.

For the article link, here:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/5/biden-teams-misguided-and-deadly-covid-19-vaccine-/
Dr.s Jill and Robert W. Malone"

https://www.rwmalonemd.com/blog/l8xzjkrqxfbm21xc5dbmpjgxp6r2jg

[NamerOfStars]

Sounds about right- but don't forget the massed push at a time when long-term effects are still unknown. It's true that this is the first time this type of mRNA technology has been used on HUMANS, but it's been tried with other animals, and killed a hell of a lot of them. Fortunately, that doesn't seem to be happening, but things like antibody-dependent enhancement can take years to show up, and both reverse transcriptase and horizontal gene transfer are very real phenomena; some random virus could easily pick up the mRNA for spike protein production and breed like wildfire- then spread to a viral cell of, say, bird flu.

Bird flu is twice as deadly as smallpox; it's never terrorized humanity only because it can only pass to humans from birds. But if it gets that spike protein, that ceases to be the case. That would be a civilization-destroying plague, even if it didn't wipe out humanity. And this could happen CENTURIES down the line, long after you've gotten your shot, lived your life, and gone to dust. The risk of it happening in an individual case isn't particularly high, but when you're pushing this tech on literally BILLIONS of people...

[joeldalton]

And they actively fight against proven theraputics. This crap could have been over if every American was sent a packet with vitamin D, C, Zinc, quercitin, and ivermectin pills. With the instructions to take them at the first sign of symptoms.

[Juxtapose]

B-but how would Big Daddy Pfizer and Mommy Moderna make all that money?

[joeldalton]

Exactly. Fauci also pushed AZT during the aids crisis.

[Massageman]

So much money would have been saved, not to mention businesses due to shutdown. Two little ma and pa shops had to close near us, and there are couple more that look shaky to me.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I think the politicians are slowly trying to kill off the population so there is why we have a pandemic going into the second year... Not one time will the President get together with the Governors, Senators, Congress have a meeting and try to figure out why in hell is the pandemic costing millions of dollars, there are small businesses want hire people at minimum wage, some people don't want work cause they are afraid of getting Covid and some are plain lazy, some are suffering from mental illnesses and won't seek
treatment so that should answer everyone's question and some small businesses
is going out of business, Khol's stores are shutting down, I believe that China was
paid good money to release the COVID-19 and the United States forked the money
over like Wall Street believe it or not, this shit makes me wonder but people fail
to believe this story

[goaded]

Lying to right-wingers is a very lucrative business, isn't it?

The article was published August 2021, just as the Delta wave started. Since then 260,000 Americans have died. By that point, most of the people vaccinated were "the most vulnerable", vaccines were rolled out by age, remember?

Variants come about from people becoming infected (the chance of which is reduced by vaccinations), and it reproducing and spreading (reduced by vaccinations and, for that matter, masks, self-isolation and quarantine). Unvaccinated people catching it and passing it on is what creates variants, because there are far more opportunities for the virus to mutate, and those mutations are likely to evade natural immunity as well as vaccine-based immunity.

At least they're not claiming that each new mutation will be less deadly than the last.

(Navarro is a Trump appointee who recently explained how they intended to steal the 2020 election on live TV. Totally trustworthy.)

[Juxtapose]

So you think you know better than Dr Robert Malone? Did you not see how he explained how you can't vaccinate your way out of a pandemic?

by the way the vaxxed still shed the virus and pass it on. Vaccination ONLY lowers the hospitalization and death rates.

[Juxtapose]

"Unvaccinated people catching it and passing it on is what creates variants, because there are far more opportunities for the virus to mutate, and those mutations are likely to evade natural immunity as well as vaccine-based immunity."

No man.

"Science tells us here that today’s vaccines, which use novel gene therapy technologies, generate powerful antigens that direct the immune system to attack specific components of the virus. Thus, when the virus infects a person with a “leaky” vaccination, the viral progeny will be selected to escape or resist the effects of the vaccine.

If the entire population has been trained via a universal vaccination strategy to have the same basic immune response, then once a viral escape mutant is selected, it will rapidly spread through the entire population – whether vaccinated or not.

A far more optimal strategy is to vaccinate only the most vulnerable. This will limit the amount of vaccine-resistant mutations and thereby slow, if not halt, the current vaccine arms race."

[goaded]

I think Dr Robert Malone, doctor, should know better than Dr Robert Malone on right-wing media.

"by the way the vaxxed still shed the virus and pass it on. Vaccination ONLY lowers the hospitalization and death rates. "
No, it also lowers the likelihood and duration of infection. (But, yes, it still makes sense to wear a mask in crowded places.)

Delta came from India, with under 10% vaccination, Omicron from South Africa, with 25%.

[noohair]

This vaccine might save lives but it does not prevent disease, If the government just admitted that, people would not be so polarized. The correct solution includes therapeutics which have been ignored. People think in binary and that does not solve problems. I creates tribes and sides.

[normalice]

Thats nice but the real explanation is because republicans want Biden to fail. Republicans all secretly know they are pointless and so have to contrive reasons to vote for them. And blasting stupid shit at stupid people to get them foaming mad at common sense policies, en mass, is a pretty reliable way to create failure that did not need to exist.

But the simple fact is if the unvaccinated were currently hospitalized at the same rate as the vaccinated, no one would be arguing that this pandemic wasn't over,

[Juxtapose]

So you're really going to argue against the guy who made the foundation for the stuff you injected yourself with?

This isn't about red or blue man, this is about how to properly handle a pandemic. I don't care if they are a republican, democrat or whatever. I just want someone who listens to the actual science and not the bogus big pharma narrative.

[Juxtapose]

Dr Robert Malone is not anti-vax, he is trying to help us and he knows what the hell he is talking about.

[Avicenna]

Jux, you can’t talk science it logic with a cultist, which Lice is

[Juxtapose]

@Avicenna yeah.. it just astounds me how he would think party lines are even relevant to the situation at all. What the heck do Republicans have to do with this? I am specifically talking about a specific tactic Biden is implementing, I'm not even criticizing Biden for his other politics right now.

[Avicenna]

I agree, but that’s the same nonsense he always parrots in response to anything unrelated to politics. You see what we‘re dealing with.

[normalice]

I understand. As an addict to the stupid shit, you had to post it here to get other people addicted to it, like a pyramid scheme.

[Avicenna]

Lice, every time you open your mouth, you further embarrass yourself. But you’re too dumb to realize it. Now do your mama’s laundry before she grounds you again.

[normalice]

In your far right infotainment bubble, maybe, but that's not real life so 🤷‍♂️

[Avicenna]

Every comment of yours shows how delusional you are. Just because you are incapable of any original thought and live on propaganda doesn’t mean others do. In fact, you’re so far gone you can recognize original thought when you see it.

[Avicenna]

* cannot recognize

[normalice]

Again, I suspect everything outside your far right infotainment bubble seems like delusion. It's not surprising you see it that way.

[Neko_Nya]

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them far right, all that shows us is you're so far left you've basically evolved into a mini Hitler. "If you don't agree with everything I say then you just be an enemy"

[Avicenna]

@Neko_Nya : Well said.

[normalice]

Why do people keep saying that I call people far right for "disagreeing." No, i call them far right for repeating far right talking points.

[Neko_Nya]

Except no ones "repeating far right talking points" they're just points you disagree with so you call them far right because you're far left

[Juxtapose]

@Neko_Nya nailed it!

[normalice]

No, they are far right talking points.

But it is good that we at least seem to be in agreement that the far right isn't a good thing. If only the Republican party got serious about severing their ties with it, eh?

[Neko_Nya]

They're not though, they're points you don't like so you call them far right because that's all people on the far left do when they disagree with something. We're in agreement on nothing, no one is on your delusion filled side here

[normalice]

Nah, they are far right talking points. And you're doing that thing where you make an accusation and then be that accusation, saying I just call things far right because I disagree, and then calling me far left because you disagree. If you even disagree. Honestly, I'm convinced you are all well aware of how fake you are but think its hilarious that no one can prove you know better.

[Avicenna]

Poor Lice- that’s some serious delusion he has there.

[normalice]

But you always say that. And as we discussed, if it was actually you who was deluded you have no way to check, whereas I do. So you're the deluded one 🙃

[Neko_Nya]

You really are the most delusional person I've ever met on the Internet

[Neko_Nya]

You've now resorted to "No you" because you have nothing intelligent or logical to add

[normalice]

You've been "no you"ing from the start. I just decided to stop pretending you might decide to join the conversation instead of ceaseless deflection and instead called you on your "I know you are but what am i" tactics.

[Neko_Nya]

I literally said "Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them far right"

You're either incredibly retarded or you really are delusional

[normalice]

I know you said that. Because you are far right and wanted to disagree with me but had no reason, so you called me far left. You did the "I know you are but what am i" thing except before I had a chance to call you on the thing you are.

Which is a far right troll. Obviously 🙃

[Neko_Nya]

Except I'm not, I'm actually slightly left on the political spectrum which just proves my point that if someone disagrees with you regardless of their political leaning you'll call them far right even if they're left leaning, because everyone that's in any way right of far left is far right to you.

Thank you and good night *mic drop*

[normalice]

Uh huh. You're not fooling anyone. I've dealt with countless far right trolls that claim do be left leaning when it serves them. Granted, for some reason this thread doesn't let me see any comments besides the last one, so it's possible I'm misremembering which comments were yours (or what the comments were), but that Goebbellian argument tactic is standard practice for far right trolls, and the memory of you doing that is at least fresh enough not to doubt.

[Avicenna]

Lice‘s funhouse „logic“ is trolling

[normalice]

Did you auto generate that sentence, comrade?

[Avicenna]

I guess your trolling has to be approved by the CCP, Lice

[normalice]

More gibberish, please 😅

[Avicenna]

No one wants to hear any more of the unimaginative garbage you post. Run along and ask your mom if she will let you out of her basement this year.

[normalice]

And yet someone invited me to share an opinion on this post. So, even though I don't generally care if my analysis is wanted, in this specific case it was specifically asked for, So 🤷‍♂️

[Avicenna]

We don’t censor idiots. The junk you posted wouldn’t be considered „analysis“- it was propaganda (as usual). But keep deluding yourself- it gives everyone else lots of laughs.

[normalice]

I mean.. are we pretending you've contributed anything to this discussion other than "whaaah"? Or are you one of the rare republicans willing to admit you were just trolling all along?

[Avicenna]

Lice, unlike you, most of us are on our way to work and don't have time for your childish behavior and flat-out propaganda.

[normalice]

To most people, not having time means includes not being able to post repetitive and meaningless deflections. And yet here you are doing it again 🤷‍♂️

[Avicenna]

Now, Lice, it’s time for you to stop projecting your insecurities and laziness onto others. Cutting and pasting the same text dictated to you by the Democrats is not work. Your mom will one day kick you out of her basement and you won’t get paid to propagandize, so it’s time for you to grow up and get a job. Of course, that will mean getting rid of the voices in your head (make sure to see a shrink who isn’t a rabid leftist for help with that).

[normalice]

Remember how we talked about you being a far right troll? However loud or repetitive you get, you're still shooting blanks 🤷‍♂️

[Neko_Nya]

And you're still calling anyone who disagrees with you far right, case and point

[normalice]

Obviously not everyone. Just the same handful of far right trolls who blurt out their narrative on a lot of my posts.

[Neko_Nya]

Every single post I've ever seen you have a disagreement with someone on you've called the far right or a far right troll. The common denominator in all these situations is you so clearly you're the problem here, not everyone else

[normalice]

And was it the same three or four people? Do you know what a common denominator is?

[Neko_Nya]

No, it's been a very large variety of people

And yes I do

[normalice]

No, it has been the same few people.

Not that that's really even a point. It's easy to create multiple accounts to project the illusion of a collaborative effort. And far right trolls are precisely the sort to have no qualms about doing so.

[Neko_Nya]

No it's been a lot of different people across many many questions.

I've actually experienced quite the opposite, I've encountered many left wing trolls who make countless duplicate accounts

One in particular who's known as "bi guy" in the community has been banned and frozen time and time again for the last two years, he's made well over 100 (maybe even 200) duplicate accounts just to continue to troll and spam the same questions over and over again, even at that they're not really questions, he just asserts his beliefs and calls you a fake account or a troll when you tell him he's wrong, which funny enough sounds exactly like what you do :3

[normalice]

No, it's been the same few people. Although I've been here for a while so my entourage of far right trolls has swapped a few members over the years.

[Neko_Nya]

Man, that echo chamber of 1 must be pretty lonely. Makes sense why you're this delusional

[normalice]

If you keep telling the same lies I'll keep making the same correction. If that sounds like an echo chamber to you I'll just point out how you don't seem to mind seeing yourself telling the same lie over and over 🤷‍♂️

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, it's like nobody is allowed to disagree with him without being part of some right-wing conspiracy.

[normalice]

Those are your words. To me the litmus test is "do you still think the Republican party is a serious party after they showed they are fine with the attempt to violently overthrow US democracy?" No conspiracy needed. You're cool with it so you're as far right as you need to be to bring an end to the country the instant you get the chance.

[Juxtapose]

I certainly would not want a revolution over dumbass Trump but overall the USA does need a revolution pretty badly.

[Juxtapose]

Wanting revolutions is a pretty left-wing position by the way. Right-wingers typically want stability and want things to stay the same while left-wingers want change.

[Neko_Nya]

And what "lie" is this? All you've been doing so far is saying far right this and far right that and everyone's a troll

Just because you disagree with other people doesn't make them liars or far right.

You don't get to decide whats truth or lie, you only get to decide what you believe in

[normalice]

Revolution is an extremist idea regardless of which side it is from. That you openly admit you want one is an admission that you are far right. So why spend all this time denying it?

[normalice]

I've also explained it's the same handful of far right accounts that troll my comments. You lied and said it was more than a handful.

[Neko_Nya]

He didn't say that though... oof the delusion coming out in full force

[Avicenna]

The voices in Lice's head are getting ever louder. Lice, for your own good please listen to what people are telling you.

[Neko_Nya]

"I've also explained it's the same handful of far right accounts that troll my comments. You lied and said it was more than a handful."

Because it has been far more than a handful... I could probably count more than 100 in the last few months if I was bothered to look through all your mind numbing responses on your profile.

Just because you disagree doesn't make you right, it just means you disagree, and it certainly doesn't make anyone far right for disagreeing with you either

[normalice]

Name them, then.

[Neko_Nya]

"I could probably count more than 100 in the last few months if I was bothered"

Keyphrase being if I'm bothered, which I'm not at midnight, on a school night, with better things to do than shift through your responses for however long it takes just for you to say "But they're all far right trolls"

[normalice]

So, no proof just claims. I understand.

[Juxtapose]

Dude I am more far left than anything else if you take away the identity politics lol.

[normalice]

Good idea except the right is entirely defined by identity politics, so 🤷‍♂️

[Neko_Nya]

"So, no proof just claims. I understand"

The proof is in your profile, go have a scroll yourself, you're an adult aren't you?

"Good idea except the right is entirely defined by identity politics, so 🤷‍♂️"

No, that's undeniably the left, are you sure you know the difference between left and right?

[Neko_Nya]

"Good idea except the right is entirely defined by identity politics, so 🤷‍♂️"

Also just to add you've been playing identity politics the whole time here so are you far right too?

[normalice]

I haven't been playing identity politics. The far right isn't an "identity," it's a real threat. And one of the guys you were defending just admitted he was far right but instead of giving you pause you powered through to the next projection. I'll give you credit for being the first to choose their words carefully enough that I'm not convinced days later - though the fact that I can't read past comments probably helps you disguise much. But your lack of reaction when the other guy admitted to wanting a revolution kind of makes it impossible to come up with anything in your defense.

[Neko_Nya]

"I haven't been playing identity politics."

You have, hence the "far right this, far right that" comment I made

"The far right isn't an "identity," it's a real threat."

Yet you say THEY play identity politics...

"And one of the guys you were defending just admitted he was far right but instead of giving you pause you powered through to the next projection."

I haven't been defending anyone? Are you okay my guy?

"I'll give you credit for being the first to choose their words carefully enough that I'm not convinced days later"

I'm just talking

"though the fact that I can't read past comments probably helps you disguise much."

Sounds like a you problem

"But your lack of reaction when the other guy admitted to wanting a revolution kind of makes it impossible to come up with anything in your defense."

When someone says that then I'll react to it

[normalice]

Right, you made the comment, but as you have done all you could to prove you are a far right troll, yourself, it isn't a comment I'd take too seriously🤷‍♂️

[Neko_Nya]

So you went from

"I'll give you credit for being the first to choose their words carefully enough that I'm not convinced days later"

To

"but as you have done all you could to prove you are a far right troll, yourself, it isn't a comment I'd take too seriously🤷‍♂️"

So which is it cuz you seem to be flip flopping all over the place dude, make up your mind and stick to what you say

If it is the latter though you've once again proven my original point

[normalice]

Right, because by pretending the guy you were defending didn't directly state he wanted a revolution, you proved you are a liar. And as you are lying to defend a far right troll, the obvious conclusion is that you are also a far right troll.

[Neko_Nya]

"Right, because by pretending the guy you were defending didn't directly state he wanted a revolution, you proved you are a liar."

I shall re-reply with the same response I gave the last time you claimed I was "defending someone" by saying

"I haven't been defending anyone? Are you okay my guy?"

I'm literally having a conversation with you, no one else, any other conversations you have with other people is between you and them, I have nothing to do with what other people say, dunno why you're trying to drag me into other conversations I'm not apart of, seems pretty disingenuous.

[normalice]

My memory of your involvement in this discussion is almost entirely you just saying my writhing off those who replied as far right wad unwarranted. So when of them comes out and admits they are far right, you dont course correct, you just lie and act like you were talking about anything else.

[Neko_Nya]

You clearly have a dreadful memory then jeez

[normalice]

Well, you're not wrong.

Still, though, I tend to trigger right wingers more so than anyone else, not entirely on accident. And typically the furthest right are the ones who feel like they have to blurt out their narrative. There's a sort of reverse osmosis at work here.

In any case, if you want to have a real conversation I'd suggest responding to any opinion other than this one. Not being able to look back on what was said thus far is a bigger inhibitor than I would have thought. Makes it hard to take anyhing seriously.

[Fuentes]

The whole world is trying to conform the people but Biden failed with his commie ways it's worse he wasted millions of tax dollars with the messy leave of Afghanistan and left Americans behind. Now he as wasting tax Dollars trying to fight the supreme court who ripped apart his mandate. This man is CRAZY! & failed pushing this narrative in the middle of the pandemic.

[spartan55]

I agree with this. The issue I see is where do you draw the line at 'most vulnerable'?

[Juxtapose]

I would imagine the old and those of multiple, severe comorbidities.

[spartan55]

But what's old. Many here claim I am as old as dirt. I have never been seriously ill in my life and have remained Covid free (or asymptomatic) so far. Let's face it, unless there was a controlled scientific way to administer the vaccine to certain subjects it's all a pipe dream.

[DaveToo]

This line of thinking is bullshit. Let. Me. Explain.
Let's look at two ways.

First is the influenza pandemic that killed millions until a vaccine was developed. But each year we must get a booster shot because the disease mutates and becomes more resistant to the original vaccine.

But with such diseases like chicken pox, measles, polio and such, one vaccine seems to keep it from reinfecting.

[Juxtapose]

Covid and the flu spread faster. EVERYONE WILL catch Covid eventually no matter what.

Not the same for polio.

[DaveToo]

But it WAS when it first invaded the world. Our scientists put their efforts into finding a cure.

[Juxtapose]

Well if China actually warned us this wouldn't have become the inevitable endemic it is gonna be.

[Juxtapose]

All China did was bury this and avoid responsibility.

[DaveToo]

Whether they did or didn't is beyond the question. Covid will eventually be like the flu. It will require a booster every year or so.

[Juxtapose]

I don't get flu shots though.

[Massageman]

The only time I got the flu as an adult was when I got the shi-, er, shot.

[OddBeMe]

Can you admit that you didn't know who the hell Malone was until last week? Fcking sheeple.

[Juxtapose]

I actually did long before this week haha but nice try!

[Juxtapose]

I'll dig up an older question I have of him.

[Juxtapose]

Here is a 5 month old one:

Thoughts On Inventor of mRNA Vaccines & His Words? ↗

[OddBeMe]

do you not see a pattern in this? Trump, Steve Bannon, Rogan?

[Juxtapose]

Well Glenn Greenwald went on Tucker Carlson because the mainstream media outside of Fox News didn't want him. I do not think Fox News is a good or benevolent organization but sometimes they can give Tucker some leeway because of his ratings and reputation. This coincidentally fosters a environment where previously silenced voices can be heard.

Dr Robert Malone has been shamefully canceled so I would not be surprised if you see right wingers jumping on this opportunity to give him a platform because the corpo left is censoring him and making him look really good. The right wingers will be darlings because they are championing freedom of speech.

I miss the old left where liberals were known for being for LIBERTY 🗽 and hearing all voices in the open marketplace of ideas.

[Juxtapose]

I should mention that Rogan and others can facilitate an environment of open discussion.

[Juxtapose]

I think Bill Maher would be a good host too.

[OddBeMe]

Did Rogan bring up the thoughts of his peers and former research partner?

[Juxtapose]

Well they were not on so I don't think so.

[OddBeMe]

Right so no push back whatsoever huh? If a scientist doesn’t have peer review…he ain’t a scientist.

[CrazyGirl2]

Wait, what’s the question?

[Juxtapose]

This is a mytake lol.

[CrazyGirl2]

Oh okay, GaG really needs to somehow start differentiating between Questions and My Takes, actually On that page. Excellent my take!

[Juxtapose]

Thank you!