Feel free to deny it. Alpha males do exist.

[HawkPerception]

Alpha Male

Feel Free to Deny It. Alpha Males Are Real

Hey there, skeptics! We've all heard the debates, read the articles, and maybe even engaged in a few heated discussions about the existence of alpha males. Some dismiss it as an outdated idea, while others swear by its authenticity. Well, guess what? Today, we're diving into the controversial topic with a simple message: Feel free to deny it, but alpha males are real.

Now, before you roll your eyes and dismiss this as some outdated, stereotypical nonsense, let's break it down a bit. The term "alpha male" has its roots in the animal kingdom, where the dominant, top dog (or wolf, in this case) leads the pack. So, is it really that far-fetched to think that similar dynamics might exist in human society?

First off, let's clarify – being an alpha male doesn't mean being a macho, chest-thumping, aggressive stereotype. Forget the Hollywood portrayal. It's not about asserting dominance through brute force. In fact, many alpha males are charismatic, confident, and possess strong leadership qualities. They're the individuals others look up to, the natural leaders of the pack.

Sure, we live in a world that values equality and shuns the idea of hierarchies, but let's not kid ourselves – leadership exists in various forms, and some people are just born with the innate ability to lead. It's not about putting others down; it's about uplifting the group and steering it in the right direction.

Think about it in terms of your workplace. There's always that one person who effortlessly takes charge during a project, inspires others, and seems to navigate the professional landscape with ease. That person? Well, they might just be exhibiting some classic alpha male traits.

In relationships, too, alpha males can be the partners who exude confidence, make decisions with ease, and provide a sense of security. It's not about being domineering; it's about being a rock when the storm hits.

Of course, everyone is an individual with unique qualities, and not everyone fits neatly into the alpha or beta categories. It's a spectrum, and we all possess a mix of traits. But denying the existence of alpha males altogether? That might be simplifying things a bit too much.

So, feel free to deny it, but open your mind to the idea that alpha males aren't just a relic of the past. They're real, and their qualities – confidence, leadership, and charisma – can be found in many successful individuals today.

[Sonorous]

Yeah I've always agreed with the soxiosexual hierarchy to some degree. I believe it can be a valuable piece of the puzzle of socialization. Pickup artists saying they're alpha always made me cringe so I knew it had to be more complex. And based on what I've observed through my life, there are more obvious ways you can socially rank people.

The best way in my opinion is for people to be intelligent about it & recognize that we humans have some extremely complex & dynamic social systems in place. And that we can exhibit traits of even all of the rankings in the same day in different scenarios if they call for them. But I do believe we have a general default place we tend to reside.

And this stuff is largly dependent on personality & especially looks in my opinion. For instance, in grade school, I could have never been the Chad due to my genetics being high tier normie at best. But I could have been a beta if I kept my weight under control. I was still a beta to some degree because I clinged to the alpha, could still attract girls, made the alpha look better, etc. But I was a mix of something else as well. Probably delta or something.

[thegreenyogi]

Of course Alpha males exist. The world would be in complete tatters if they didn't. The only problem is that they're getting lost in the crowd because suddenly its become so important to acknowledge the existence of other males that aren't alpha. Progress is needed and it has helped ones existence a great deal yet I believe that certain things that seem to belong to the old world made life much more fun.

[HawkPerception]

Agreed entirely

[thegreenyogi]

Thank you for the MHO!

[PetLover24]

@thegreenyogi ROFL. Except most who use the word "alpha male" in relation to humans think it means the most arrogant, ignorant, asshole attitudes - who demean others, have shallow personalities, self evaluate themselves as valueable because they attract the attention of other cheap, shallow nasty personality women - makes them "alpha". It's DOES NOT.

What you are WRONGFULLY calling "alpha men" are leaders. Alpha men are typically LOSERS.

[Chthou95]

@PetLover24 And yet those are the men women flock to

[DarkLegacy]

@PetLover24 Fantastic comment

[Whitewulf]

@PetLover24 but most do possess narcissistic behaviors and characteristics

[MzAsh]

Natural born leaders do exist. They can be male or female. Wouldn’t call this the same thing as an “alpha male.”

[MzAsh]

Heh sure thing kid

[AnusNdaPainus]

Name a successful female leader

[MzAsh]

Angela Merkel

[puurikke]

@AnusNdaPainus I've put the organisation they are leader of behind the name, seeing your question I'm afraid you might need that extra bit of information... This is just a small selection.

Christine Lagarde (IMF), Mary Barra (General Motors), Sheryl Sandberg (Facebook/Meta), Safra Catz (Oracle), Kathy Warden (Northrop Grumman), Jane Fraser (Citi Group), Tsai Ing-Wen (Taiwan), Angela Merkel (Germany) and Helle Thorning-Schmidt (Denmark).

It's such a simple question to answer that if you need to ask, I'm afraid it might say a whole lot about you...

[handsomelad70]

D**N SKIPPY !!!

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yes, I agree with you.

[bolverk]

Quoted from ; The Minds Journal

From Alpha To Omega: What Is Your Socio Sexual Hierarchy Rank?

In our society, discussions about personality types often revolve around the Alpha and Beta personalities, but there is much more to the Socio-Sexual Hierarchy than these two categories. This system categorizes men based on their social position among other men and their ability to attract women. It provides valuable insights into different roles men play in society and their interactions with others.

Want to know about sociosexual hierarchy? The Socio-Sexual Hierarchy is a complex and multifaceted system with a fractal nature. A man’s position within this hierarchy may vary depending on the social setting. For example, someone might be a Beta or a “Yes man” at work while displaying Alpha male characteristics in their personal relationships.

This categorization system, originally coined by Theodore Robert Beale (also known as Vox Day), aims to understand patterns of behaviour that lead to outcomes such as social success and success with women. It consists of six primary personality types, each unique in its own way, covering a wide spectrum of socio-sexuality.

Sigma: Sigma males share many characteristics with Alphas but tend to be lone wolves who do not seek social attention. They are confident, independent thinkers who do not conform to societal norms. Sigmas are often seen as mysterious and possess immense self-confidence. They pursue their own goals and can be manipulative to achieve them. While they may form close friendships, they prefer to go their own way and understand social hierarchies differently. They also have a tendency to stand aside and rarely get involved with the interplay of the other personality types.

Alpha: The Alpha male is often portrayed as the stereotypical “bad boy.” These individuals are natural leaders, exude confidence, and have a dominant and charismatic presence. They thrive on social dominance and acceptance, enjoying a high social status. Alpha males tend to be successful in their careers, taking risks without hesitation. However, they may place excessive importance on external appearances and can be shallow in their interactions.

Beta: Betas are followers of the Alpha male and often play it safe, avoiding confrontations and risks. They lack the physical attractiveness, confidence, and charm of Alphas and Sigmas. Betas are loyal and good at implementing orders, valuing their place in the hierarchy. They can thrive in hierarchical structures and have successful careers. Betas are known for their kindness, decency, and likeability, usually maintaining a calm and grounded demeanour.

Delta: Deltas are the majority of men, working hard to contribute to society. They may struggle with attracting women and often focus on pursuing partners who are considered better than themselves. If they enter relationships with such women, they may become insecure and pedestalizes their partners, leading to relationship difficulties. Deltas value hard work and competency but may perceive themselves as Beta males, lacking self-improvement focus.

Gamma: Gammas are often unattractive, bitter, and introspective individuals. They may exhibit obsessive and problematic behaviours, such as stalking or abusive tendencies. Gammas tend to reject the social hierarchy and exhibit overconfidence, believing they deserve a higher rank. However, they are generally invisible to women and struggle to attract them. Gammas can be manipulative, and it is advised to avoid them due to their dishonesty and conceit.

Omega: Omegas are the polar opposite of Alpha males. They are often seen as social outcasts, lacking social skills and desirable qualities. Omegas may cling to others due to fear of loneliness, and they tend to have limited success in attracting women. These individuals are often nerds or geeks, with minimal social or love life. Omegas may have poor hygiene, limited motivation, and consider themselves social losers.

[Siri137]

Yes, I will deny it, because it's based upon a LIE.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-the-alpha-wolf-idea-a-myth/

https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/alpha-wolf-myth/

https://www.sciencenorway.no/ulv/wolf-packs-dont-actually-have-alpha-males-and-alpha-females-the-idea-is-based-on-a-misunderstanding/1850514

https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/the-myth-of-the-alpha-wolf

[IslaTheWitch]

I've never seen one, so I have no problem with denying it...

Think about it in terms of your workplace. There's always that one person who effortlessly takes charge during a project, inspires others, and seems to navigate the professional landscape with ease. That person? Well, they might just be exhibiting some classic alpha male traits.

In relationships, too, alpha males can be the partners who exude confidence, make decisions with ease, and provide a sense of security. It's not about being domineering; it's about being a rock when the storm hits.

You just described me, how nice. But still, I'm not an alpha woman (or man)... To be clear, in my job, I'm the only woman among managers and the only person who voluntarily leads projects.

We are people. We use our logic, emotions, past experiences, and intuition also in leadership. We are empathic, and our decisions are not only for the good "of the pack" but also for the individuals. We are not like wolves; we don't sacrifice the weakest for the good of "the pack".

Most charismatic and responsible men focus consciously on responsibilities. Theirs and others. To make things work.

[PetLover24]

"The term "alpha male" has its roots in the animal kingdom, where the dominant, top dog (or wolf, in this case) leads the pack. "

ROFL. Except most who use the word "alpha male" in relation to humans think it means the most arrogant, ignorant, asshole attitudes - who demean others, have shallow personalities, self evaluate themselves as valueable because they attract the attention of other cheap, shallow nasty personality women - makes them "alpha". It's DOES NOT.

It's akin to the outdated idea that the "alpha" wolf was the meanest badest wolf - it's often the most intelligent, most contributing member not necessarily the meanest badest because well that's a wolf too stupid to think - and WHY make believe "dog trainers" who still use physical force to "train" dogs (Ceaser Millan being a prime example) are laughed at and EVEN rightfully charged with ANIMAL ABUSE.

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A real alpha LEADS without needing to do a damn thing. And they most certainly do NOT beat their chest like some hairbrained cave man thinking they're important - again because they get plenty of cheap, easy women with no depth or value themselves - when the rest of the world laughes at them.

[PetLover24]

Real "alphas" - or leaders as intelligent people call them - DO NOT self identify. They DO NOT call themselves "alpha" - in a pathetic attempt to seem important when reality is, they're not - because their behavior & actions MAKES them a leader.

Again "alphas" are predominantly men with shallow insecure personalities - who widely only appeal to cheap women - who think they're valuable while the rest of the world points & laughs.

[Whitewulf]

Oh they absolutely exists. They are the ones that I do not get along with and have immediate friction with. They seem to always find me.
see, I’m an omega male. Just as strong willed, determined and successful as the Alfa but I do not need the attention or to announce it hey look at me, I’m going to be loud and an idiot because I’m insecure. The mistake they make is taken my silence for weakness and they always pay a prideful price. But hey I usually help them up, pat them on the back and tell them it’s ok it was a good teachable moment before sending them on their way.

[blueonblack22]

An alpha male never feels the impetus to go around identifying as an “alpha” male. He doesn’t feel the need to bully and mistreat others either (that’s just masked insecurity). Anybody I met who goes around calling themselves an “alpha male” is nothing but one in my experience.

Whats more accurate to say is that “confident and successful men” exist. That I can agree on. Any day. But using labels I don’t agree on. At all. That’s a sign of low IQ and emotional intelligence.

People are NOT destined to be one way or another. They can however make better decisions. If guy is acting insecure and bitchy you should (tactfully) call him out on it.

[jennyPuss]

alpha males exist because women with low standards permit it. if ALL women demanded marriage before sex, then each woman would know her true place in the market very quickly, and there would be no "alphas" because each man would only have his own wife. but because 80% of women are all clamoring for the top 5% of men, and they are willing to be sluts to get the chance, it creates an environment where the top males get an exaggerated mating experience.

listen up ladies: your reward for sleeping your way to the top is that now women are 3x as likely as men to contract HIV... because you're all being passed around among the small circle of males who are infected. and many of you have been infected for years and don't know it, continuing to pass it on.

if i was a man in america i wouldn't touch a woman with a greasy spoon. gona get herpes, aids, or something else. but of course, lets blame those evil bastard alphas for spreading the joy!

[Whitewulf]

Well there is another part to this. Let’s use the 1-10 rating scale. Some of these guys you are talking about the girls are having sex with may very well be alpha but most are probably just successful, and attractive. They may also be very good at talking their way into a pretty pair of panties, yet that still doesn’t make them alpha.
I will agree that the 8 9 and 10’s are the majority of men sleeping with the majority of women from 3-10.
And yes if there are any alphas they will be in the 89or 10’s just because of their confidence alone.
The thing is, the male 9 taken home a female 3 is only about sex nothing more. Will never see her as potential girlfriend. Yet these girls dating up will skip over the males 4-8 thinking they have a chance.
Until the wake up at about 30 yo those are the girls on dating sites asking where are all the good men.

[RebelinSteel]

Load of bollox spread by clowns. An Alpha is a state of mind that a person moves into when moved out of their Beta mode. The entire oh he’s an Alpha male is wank, he he got a boss yes, does he have to work for someone, yes, I think it’s so hysterical that blokes can come out with something that will see them laughed at in the real world. But yeah social media clowns come out with it, usually with some hint that either they are one or it’s why they can’t get a girl (ignoring the fact they are normally clowns).
Now do you get people who are leaders and will dominate a room at times, yes, however not one will ever use the word Alpha etc. Try being in a room full of aircrew, or other similar types, then see them go to the wrong bloody aircraft lol, yeah. Fucking civilians and the shit they come out with

[RavVid]

Humans are good hunters and there is a reason we killed off the mega fauna.

The primary reason is that we developed directed hunts. To have directed hunts means there must be a hunt master - it won't work if every guy decides what role he is going to take in a hunt. There probably wouldn't be any beaters driving the game to a killing field.

So every tribe would have chosen a hunt master that would direct the hunt. In team sports we choose captains/coaches to direct play. Same same.

Thank you for discrediting the chest beating iconography. That can happen in corporate power structures but more often promotions happen due to respect fellow team members have for a specific team member.

Notably the same evolutionary selection doesn't apply to females because tribal women only hunt small game like lizards. The top women were those who could unite other women against another woman. Quite different to male leadership selection.

[puurikke]

Nope, they don't exists. There is a reason in science they call it the 'myth of the alpha male'.

The term alpha male comes from the animal kingdom in which some species (not even the majority) the male who dominates the group gets all the females. The males who don't dominate (the beta males), don't get to procreate.

In humans time after time it shows that domination is not the driver for women to choose a mate. Assertive is good, dominent is bad. Confident is good, quiet and shy is bad. Easygoing is good, demanding is bad. Kindness is good, agressive is bad.

So the best combination is assertive and kind. That's not an alpha male, that's just a guy who values his partner but isn't afraid to make decisions.

[laly520]

pure bs
there is no such thing as alpha male
the stupid old theory was debunked long long ago by scientists n writers n researchers
only kids n teen boys keep on talking about it online especially on tiktok
please read more about it before spreading misinformation about a debunked old theory

[HawkPerception]

Obviously I did do my reading online, but for everything there is 2 sides and you're only listening to one. I don't think you're in any place to give advice. Keep an open mind. It's not like I phrased my words to come across as offensive.

[laly520]

n u r in place to give advices?
I've read way a lot about it n its pure bs

[Chthou95]

When you go to a party, there's always the men women want to be around and other men want to be him. Those men are invisible and in the background. Social hierarchy is proof it exist

[laly520]

got nothing to do with alpha debunked theory

[Chthou95]

I know its hard to accept it and you think humans are unique. But we're just like any other animal that follow instincts

[Whitewulf]

I think you’re wrong. I’ll give you one name that everyone knows and he is the epitome of alpha male. Conner McGregor. Call him what you want but he’s alpha

[normalice]

Among animals, sure. But among humans the concept of a leader who prioritizes those he is responsible for and makes decisions in their best interests even knowing if all goes well they may never appreciate it too often gets tangled with someone who just wants the authority to tell others what to do so that he, himself, doesn't get told what to do.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I'm sorry you haven't had any better leaders than that.

[normalice]

Oh, I have.

[Tamera952]

WTF are you on? This is such a STUPID concept… of course they DON’T exist, only in your warped mind. People are complex & multilayered. This Alpha/Beta bullshit is SO LAST SEASON. So pointless & enervating. I can’t believe you even took the time to post such horseshit.

[HawkPerception]

So refreshing to have another female that gets butthurt from the alpha male concept 😂

[Glideess]

A lot of what you're saying is true, but you're not really describing what people think of when they hear the 'alpha male' trope. Also humans are more egalitarian than many other mammal species, so even a charismatic leader relies more on consensus than say an alpha wolf or chimp would.

[HawkPerception]

I'm not saying all leaders are alpha males or even that all alpha males are leaders, however there is a correlation. Elon Musk (based off of his demeanor on the media) comes across as quieter and introverted. No one would classify him as an alpha male, however he is one of the richest men in the world and is a leader.

[HawkPerception]

Or even that most leaders***

[IMPRESIVE]

do we value equality? i dont see anyone with a problem that elon musk travels around with 10 guards, or that michael jordan gets paid millions of dollars. are people really up in arms about kobe bryant having a huge funeral, while an ordinary janitor may get no funeral at all? i think people celebrate inequality more than anything else. and theyve made people like andrew tate to be larger than life. even when you look at tiktok, or other social media, who do they show you? influencers. you think that if you post a video on tiktok, it will show up on anyones feed? the nelk boys can post a video of them selves eating yogurt and that will get millions of views. you can do 10 backflips and get 0. still think there's equality?

[Kelley1]

Of course their are Alpha males. They are the men all women want. Alpha males f**k hundreds of women while more than half of the men are virgins because, since women can f**k the best, no woman will fuck them.

[Billlewis]

Of course they do; I don't understand what all the controversy is about, when this occurs throughout the animal world.

[HawkPerception]

People nowadays seem to ignore truth and observation in favor of not hurting peoples feelings.

[Billlewis]

I know, right?

[genericname85]

alpha male is a blank label. they do or don't exist depending on what meaning you fill that label with. since the label is a blank lable, by default, you can't claim they do exist. cause it is not possible to use the term without explaining what you mean.