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In Europe it will be harder if a guy is born of African (black or North African) or Turkish origin.
So are Gypsies, even European.
Chinese, Japanese are well accepted, Indians, Afghans, Arabs, Farsi (=Iranian) guys much less
(Girls may have it easier, as usual)
And that's not only for dating, even to get admitted in a private school or to get an interview for a job:
A first selection is done on name: a not Western/not Christian name and first name will get many answers of the kind "No job available, the job you read about is already taken, don't call back, we will call you."
A CV has to contain a photo of the applicant.
Public services are more adamant.
In a few countries there were propositions for laws permitting anonymous CV's, they were even voted but blocked after the Parliamentary vote and never made it to Law. (that's possible here)
As for dating, I really don't know but most fathers will react like the employers do.
An ugly continent for blacks and Muslims.
btw, I'm not black, not Muslim, just plain European.
No offense but I don't see a lotta asian boys that have swag. well some south asians like filipinos (and I'm sure others but I haven't been exposed to many) do but that's about it. a lotta northwest asians and indians seem to be more reserved, shy, and into school. I rarely ever see like a chinese boy who is very social, outgoing and can dress. it seems like mostly they stick to their crew of asians and don't try to be known. so its not that they are inherently unattractive, its just that their actions don't make for a guy who would be a ladies man, or attractive to a lotta girls. sorry if I offended anyone, I admit I stereotyped and I haven't been exposed to many races I'm just giving my observations. russell wong is pretty cute tho!
to address the other points you made, I think a lot of asian women have been indoctrinated by the media/society to go for white men because they are supposed to be more masculine and a status symbol. you can override that with confidence and how you portray yourself tho. good luck. I'm a black girl and its supposed to be hard out here for us too but I still do well with the opposite sex so you can over come the stereotypes
Indians are considered more physically attractive than East Asians as they look like darker-complected white men. And black girls LOVE them, by the way .
well, anyone with eyes can walk through a public area and see that most white men are not that great looking and are a dime a dozen; Asian women are more attractive to attractive Asian men than anyone else. keep in mind that most Asian women aren't that attractive themselves and would be unwanted by most Asian men
As an mature (over 30 years old) international student studying in SA, Australia. I'm here to share my insight on western females (Caucasian). I got approached on 3 occasions here, while on campus. Just saying, these girls (probably under 25) does not appeal to me. Not because they are ugly, reason is because they are too young. Also, having to deal with all the fucking racist undertones is enough for me.
Another reason is western females thinking are way too independent for me. Though, am not seeking marriage right now. I don't wanna deal with the over assertive thinking of the western culture. PS: I do speak acceptable English as I'm a Singaporean of Chinese descent. In addition, the 2nd second approach I had, was the most insulting EVER. This twat is a gold digger, from all the questions she asked. I would date a Western woman (aged least 24 years and above. But these Uni girls are way too young for me) The closest match I ever had, was a Polish aged 29. Unfortunately, she got married weeks ago. Anyway, just sharing my 2 cents worth.
I tell you, the American media is racist against asian men. Think of all the movie that have ridicule for asian male. What did asian male ever do to the American media? I tell you America is a very evil nation.
And if white American women hate asian men, then ditch them for better women, European women that is. Geez.. I wonder what europes doing differently. Ahh, you mean other than just be a fairer more egaliatarian society.
The only non-asian women for asian men seems to be leftover white/black reject that nobody else wants, what a joke? A Good looking asian men is offered leftovers, that is such an insult. In Europe, good looking asian men get beautiful European white women, not ugly leftover that nobody else wants.
America cannot match europe’s fairness for asian men. And as for asian American women that side with white America against their own men and be sexist and racist, they deserve to be ditched.
And finally, wimping out is not attractive in any culture. You can either put on a brave front and be defiant against adversity or wimp out. Traits like bravery and confident are attractive traits to women universally.
Hi, I'm an Asian American man, living in Los Angeles for over 25 years. First, I want to thank all the women that is showing love to not only Asian men, but showing love to all races.
But there is a HUGE epidemic currently occuring today (2013) in America. Yes, it's the White American at it again. The White Man is very good at writing tricky, deceitful, deceptive propaganda.
For example, Asians have small d***s? Fact: White men have smaller d***s. Just kidding, but notice what I just did? I Just made some BS up right from the top of my head, and wrote it as FACT. That is the white man's power: Deception.
In today's modern (2013) times, the white man is still trying to lie to Asian Americans that they are unconfident and (giggle), have small d*** sizes, to further hurt their confidence. It's a way to indirectly control the Asian men, and brainwash the Asian women away from the Asian men.
In today's modern (2013) times, as an Asian American, I genuinely feel the White American owes an excruciatingly amount of payback to a very LONG list of other races, the Africans, the Mexicans, the Japanese, the Afghani, most Euros, add Asians to that, for PUNKING Asian men in America for decades, while simultaneously brainwashing our women into thinking White Americans are "great".
Wait a minute.. actually, does EVERY F'n race in the WHOLE WORLD dislike White Americans?
Asian American, I repeat, been here over 25 years, I have some black friends, Mexican friends. I'm out.
I don't know , then explain why all the most attractive Asian women always end up with Asian men? because it's the individual that matters, not a bunch of useless generalizations. the whole world knows that white americans are some of the dumbest and uncultured people on earth; you think anyone cares about what they say or think? keep in mind that white American men are a dime a dozen these days; being an Asian minority is increasingly seen as a good thing. a good looking Asian male can get any Asian girl he wants, and will have an easier time getting hot white girls than most white men even, so give yourself more credit
Dude, white men paybacking? You missed the most obvious one there.
Native Americans! Millions outright died, cheated and are forced out of their own turf.
Today Native Americans are statistically screwed economically, and have lower lifespans than other races (you can look it up I'm lazy).
Hey man, yes you are right, things are clearly stacked against the asian male in America, there is no denying this FACT. The media does not portray the Asian Man in a positive or romantic light when it comes to dating/romance/love. And worse, they portray the Asian woman as not interested in the asian man, or any other woman, which is a double slap in the face. Sure, you cannot overcome these stereotypes and culture of America so easily. It is embedded for women not to be attracted to asian men at first glance, this is athe culture of the america we are in. Okay, so that is the Fact. Now, what are you going to do about it? You can cry, run into a hole and never come out. That's fine. Or you can stare this injustice in the eye, smile, laugh at the sh*ttiness of laugh, and just live your life the best you can. Example, a man born with no legs. He can either lament his unfairness in life, kill himself, etc, or he can sit back, acknowledge the FACT he has no legs and can't do anything about that aspect, and go from there. Move on, keep trucking, change your attitude, accept what is that you cannot change and only change what you can- YOUR MINDSET! Good luck my friend, coming from a fellow Asian guy in America who empathizes with your thoughts more than you know!.
agree, but to be more accurate:
east-asians (=non-caucasians: especially Chinese (born) American males) have it harder than their south Asian (white/fair, brown, black caucasian) counterparts or middle-eastern/eurasian semitic (white/fair, brown, black caucasian). most caucasians of light or dark tan complexions can pass for each other as untanned or just very tanned in the visual media or visual arts.
the east-asian born North Americans, have it worse in direct proportion to their positive VISUAL exclusion/invisibility in the arts/media (print/web/tv/movies/ads) ... or their negative visibility/inclusion only as negative/emasculatining-sexual impotents/demonizing-villain/comedic-victim stereotypes.
how many North American girls (and guys) get 24/7 media bombardment that east-asain males are appealing sexually, economically, socially? Zero. totally nonexistent. exceptions may be foreign born or foreigners, but they outnumber a handful to zero local born.
how many mixed-east-asian Americans can say they have an American born Chinese father (Chinese surnames at birth) who had full Chinese parents? Even Bruce Lee's children can't make that claim, they have a mixed grandma (half-German). how many in all Americas North and South? none. that's hard enough proof of male American Chinese exclusion. Japanese/Korean/Taiwanese born Americans may fair better, but they are so few, so rare, I can't recall them.
far more mixed-east-asian Americans are more likely to have a white caucasian fathers (white anglo/european surname) and an east Asian mother (who is included by default; and had full east Asian parents). hard proof east-asian girls have it easier, even if they are fetishized by their white male partners or not. vast majority of more visible 'asians' fully accepted are never 'full east Asian males born here' but only the mixed ones, or immigrant-born ones, or both mixed immigrants.
by the way
if all girls ever see 24/7 east-asian born American males as being socially excluded (unfriendable, unsexy, unmasculine, thugs, clowns, effeminate, bad, victims, servants, awkward (geek/nerds), anti-social, or ugly/unattractive) in the visual media/arts, they will mimic what they see (men already exclude east-asians in the visual media/arts, so why wouldn't all girls do it in life as the men do?)
I doubt girls 'hate east Asian men', but rather they are very aware by the 'consensus' of what everyone gets 24/7 bombarded with that invisibility/exclusion = unacceptance/rejection in sociery as a couple. this isn't lost on east-asian born American girls any more than it is for all other girls.
this exclusionary racism lies squarely in the visual media/arts world: they rule
guess who they are? the privileged male Caucasian (more white than not)
east-asian girls don't hate their male peer/brethrens, but instead, know that white guys (Caucasians of any color: light or darkly complexioned/tanned) have the most visible social/economic inclusion (social/economic access, opportunity, network acceptance) in the visual media/arts for both ugly/unattractive and attractive white males and have the most power or default privilege.
by dating those men with such clearcut visible widespread default 24/7 "privilege", these girls acquire inclusion, acceptance, access, opportunity in life, ntoo. why hold their desire for inclusion against them. it's the white men in power who truly hold the vusual reigns of east-asian American exclusion by "othering" them as disadvantaged in every possible way. including the workplace.
right, so you're assuming that north American girls have no life of their own and watch tv/movies all day. there are desirable, attractive Asian men that exist in real life, and they came across one in real life, they would find them desirable. oh and as a whole, east Asian men definitely have it better than south Asian as south Asians are inhrently less attractive. and for the record, the Asian mothers of mixed-race children tend to be unattractive since attractive Asian women go for Asian men
also, anyone with eyes can see that most white males they encounter in real life are ugly/average looking at best, so that kind of nullifies any effect the media could have; in fact, a lot of the ones you see in the media also aren't that attractive. and Asian women prefer to be friends with primarily Asian people rather than white people, so marrying a white male isn't going to help their "inclusion" into anything
Where I come from, only white or Latino men are considered by the white women.
Black, East Asian, Middle Eastern, or South Asian men are strongly discriminated against.
Pray to God and leave everything to him. F***humans, just forget about the world and only think about the world inside you, f*** the world. Humans also let me down everyday. Relieve your anxieties anyway you can every day, this should be your primary obejective*no substance abuse or acohol is prefered int he long run. Then in the short meantime ruin your sister's life, reveal her relationship to your parents right away, destroy any value of her "face" in Chinese society.(ofc deny this always when faced with suspsion, gotta love western society) explicit cell phone images used for blackmail, exagerate her negative image, exagerate her racism toward Chinese in front of your parents. Next shut yourself off from any sort of negative stress, aka parents, remember to lock room etc, or move out of your home. Remeber I am here for you, so are some spirits, angels,jin, god and even daemons. Just think of humans as sub-human animals, from what I sense from the people in your life, they don't deserve any better.
Wtf, okay in trying to explain the problem, I understand most girls are trying to predictably give a predictable answer. But such is the nature of explanation, to find common ground. All these pseudo-existentialist answers aren't going to really help the situation. It really takes two to tango, and the statistics are really strong, a strong way of trying to gauge the average human behavior in uncontrolled experiments to get predictable results.
The problem with science seeping into pop culture, is that now, humans want interracial relationships or behaviors to be predictable. But you have to remember, that predictability doesn't entail or follow with equality. You girls have to admit to your biases, and not try to blame everything on the Asian guy, alright? Sure, you guys want to stray from religion(even though racial and gender roles have been divinely ordained and predictable by god), and have your own morals, but at the end of the day, as a majority group you guys still have discernable predictable patterns. Whatever happen to what you've guys said, not judging others? Yet scientific determinism causes you guys to have prejudices, but science says we can always predict what's going to happen, determinism going slightly further I guess(though most scientists stick with this doctrine), saying that we can't change our human nature.
Life is what you make of it. Everyone is dealt random cards in life, some people have it easier and others don't. You may hate yourself, because you have this idea that being an Asian man is such a bad thing.
If you put yourself into that notion that because of what race you are, that's what you get in life. Then you'll get just that. I'm going to be blunt and I don't really care what you think about yourself, but stop bitching and moaning about your problems and go fix it. If you don't like what you have then go and do something about it.
And you want to know one thing. I'm a chubby stupid asian and I'm in college getting refund checks of over $5,000 a semester (because my scholarships go over), have been in multiple relationships, and is damn well proud of my race.
And you really want to know why I have all that? Its because I was sick and tired of complaining and decided to change myself and go for what I want. So suck it and do it. I know its hard, but life won't ever be easy.
Inspirational
You da f***in man
I'm sorry but you do NOT want to be a black man. Being black sucks bad for males and females. Both genders have their perks, but overall it's nothing any of us would ever sign up for again, given the choice lol.
I can understand though about wanting to be an Asian female. They get the best of both worlds but they've earned it. It's not like it's just given to them without a reason. Asian men really do not market themselves the way Asian women do, which is a large part of the problem. However, some things are just unchangeable such as the height factor. American women are brutal with men and height requirements. This goes for all races or women, even those less popular with men.
I think Asian men would look great with central and south American women. The native looking kind. I could see that match working very well culturally too. Perhaps white just isn't for you. That's just like I think the best alternative match for a black women would be middle eastern men. Physically they are very attractive together, from the instances I've seen them paired. Plus middle eastern males are the most dominant and patriarchal males in the world, which is exactly what black women need and would value culturally. I'm sure most of the women are like "what?", but I have dated middle eastern and have always found connecting natural and easy.
Hello Anonymous, my name is Stephanie. I am 31, and I am african- American / black, whatever. I am writing you , not in pity, or to preach at you. I just have the experience of hurt over and over by women of his own race. I understand you stretched patience to it's breaking point. In regards to finding & possessing loving, been the good son, friend, etc. Still thinking am I so bad really. God forget the big stuff, can I just for once have someone who gives rather than takes. Prefer me before herself, rather then me doing and getting stomped on. See me, me, my worth as a man. I swear if you let me have a woman like that, I can trust; I will lover like no man has loved a woman in generations. Then , after you finally screamed out your agony, feel mocked, yet again the other man has found The 1 not you.
Now before you finish" the please... How would you know ". Hear me out there we times I prayed that my brother was alone rather then in relationships. Did not want watch him as he was betrayed again.
I myself had only two boyfrnds, & 10 dates n the last 20 years. Each day u wake is chance for what is impossible to happen. You will bump into her, when really say that it God I Am Done! Just because the women of race have denyed u till now doesn't mean : your ugly, or anything else u said about yourself. Nothing worth having comes easy. Don't throw n the towel, there will b a girl that see's you& loves u for u. All women are stupid, immature, vain driven ingrates! :) there's hope yet friend.
Stephanie
I completely disagree.
First off, addressing the college thing, the UC system has more Asians than any other ethnic group. I don't know where you are from, but in California, getting into college as an Asian is not hindered in any way if you're grades are good. Besides, where did you get that information? I think its wrong, dude.
And about Asian men dating? I think it goes on a basis-by-basis situation. Not to mention that for a lot of people, its personality that counts, not race or looks. So if you're only interested in the people who wouldn't date you because you're Asian, then I don't see why you'd want to date them in the first place. And if you have a problem with Asians not being with Asians because theyre interested in someone else, I think YOU are the one with the problem, not them. Love often is colorblind. For instance, I'm a white girl who's got it bad for a Vietnamese kid - he's smart, funny, very silly- and he makes my life exponentially better, without knowing it, just by being my friend.
So I gotta say, you're wrong, and that if you feel that people are only getting together for superficial reasons, then instead of getting angry you should just feel pity for them.
There are disproportionately more asians at top schools because academia is objective. You can't deny asians who have achieved top test scores and grades. Unlike other minorities, asians don't benefit from affirmative actions because there are proportionally too many asians already. In order to preserve diversity, it is more likely that someone from a non-asian race will be accepted instead of an asian with equal merit. This is what he is talking about.
that's all stereotype. I like Asians, Hispanics, & White guys. everyone will have their preferences and that's just the way it is. I'm not a racist, I just have preferences.
I don't believe Asian men have it rough. I think they should start asking girls out more. I mostly get asked out by White guys, then Asian guys and then Hispanics. If more Asian guys asked me out, I'd more likelier go out with an Asian guy.
just be confident, have a good style/ look. It shouldn't matter if you're Korean, Jap , Chinese, Vietnamese or whatever-if you're someone that appeals to girls, that's great-work on your weaknesses. if you're shy, then work on being more outgoing. etc.
many girls don't judge based on ethnicity. anyways, good luck. Don't hate yourself.
I am an Asian men, 28 years old and living in The Netherlands, Amsterdam.
Here isthe same history, the people (specially womans/girls) hate you because you are an Asian.
The Black guys, Arab/Turksih, Half black/white and Italians are hot here. Most of Dutch girls are crazy about black guys.
I've tried everything! I even did an experiment with one of my non-Asian friends. We were in a club, with the same shirt, same style. All the girls have rejected me. They were only interested in my friend.
And i know all thing about flirt, body language etc. European girls are simply not interested in Asian guys.
I’ve heard all this things in my life: ( Sorry, I don’t like Asian mens, I like only European/Black guys). (F**ck off Chinese, go away ugly... ching chang, Mr. Ching Loo)
Asian mens=The worst and ugliest race in the world. Some people are acting on this site.
Why god has made this race? So unattractive and disgusting! Why are white people so racist against Asian? Why they call me always Ching Chung Chinese? I am not even a stereotype Asian. I am being a self hater... I hate to be an Asian! I am not Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Philipino etc...
I stumpled upon this randomly and honestly I've never done something like this, giving feedback to something online, but reading what youve had to say i feel that I've gone through similar thoughts at one point in my life, and hope that you find some help in what i have to say. i really hope this is a real post and im not just wasting my time.
The main thing is handling ur depression. If ur depressed ur not gunna attract anyone. Talk to a doctor or counselor if u already haven't done so they can give u the best advise. Somethings that helped me were positive thinking kinda seeing the bigger picture and the world as a whole, understanding that i probably have it better than most people in the world and that my problems were small in comparison. Negative thoughts only aid depression so stop thinking that way. Also i started working out, getting more muscular and putting on some weight. When u look good u feel good plus working out releases good endorphins that put u in a better mood. Plastic surgery costs a lot, going to the gym and gettin ur body right is a lot cheaper, u just have to put in the work, but its worth it. Plus if ur bodys lookin good ur gunna attract more woman.
there's a lot of people out there, and a lot of girls out there, dont let ur few experiences or encounters turn into false generalizations. odds say there's at least a million single woman that are attracted to Asian men. jus because you haven't found one yet doesn't mean there not out there. and try not to blame ur race or outside influences fer ur shortcomings, it doesn't help anything, instead find ways to improve or fix them.
The grass is not greener on the other side and life is always better than death. anyways man i hope what i said helped.
-asian brotha
also a little background, growing up until about 16 ihad only kissed one girl and was overlooked by pretty much every girl i knew. i slowly learned how to find my edge, clean up my look, find my style and i guess become more attractive. since then I've hooked up with, dated and had a couple serious relationships with girls of all races that all (minus a couple girls I've hooked up with) looks wise were way outta my league. this just goes to show that while being an Asian male mite put u at somewhat of a disadvantage, its nothing to get down about as u can still attract woman, and with the right angle good looking woman to.
I strongly disagree. It may be harder to be an Asian in the United States but in no way is it a negative thing to be an Asian in the United States. Even with all of the prejudice, from being a minority, attempting to bring us down we still make the most money on average as a group. Not only are we the most successful minority group we are, dare I say, the most successful group in the United States even though we only make up about 6% of the population. As for the whole Asian girls going for white guys thing, it's really not that simple. You have to know the culture to understand why that makes sense but that's another story. I grew up in the US and have only dated white girls anyways so I encourage Asian girls and white guys to get together. Both of my brother-in-laws are white. By the way I doubt your an Asian man and that is just sad, I can't even imagine how low someone would need to be to go online and pretend to be another race dissing that race. That's just straight up weird no matter what race you are haha.
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I think you're approaching this "problem" the wrong way.
First a bit of background. I'm an Asian American male (yes, there is a difference between Asian American and Asian, we live on opposite ends of the planet). I'm not Chinese, so maybe I can't completely relate to your situation. I've mostly dated Caucasian women without noticing any of the issues you bring up, but now that you mention it, I think I understand what you mean. I'm not sure if it's because I'm physically an exception or not: about 6'2, 190 lbs and I exercise regularly, so I'm a bit muscular and bulky. But then again, a guy can always exercise and eat more to pump up.
I've met a few guys like yourself who have made the same grievance, but the underlying issue is that you can only change yourself. If you can't break down the wall, just find a way to walk around it. Just exercise a lot, eat a lot, and do the best you can to be successful. Over time, if a lot of people take the same path, the attitude will eventually change on its own.
I am not Oriental (obviously) but I agree that there is much truth to what you say about the discrimination especially Chinese men face. Unless you've got the strength and charm of a Bruce Lee, it seems being a Chinese male is not going to get you much respect.
However, more important than that, from my perspective, are your suicidal thoughts and clinical depression. Look, a very close friend committed suicide just 2 mths. ago...I don't ever want that to happen to you or anybody else. Please go see a doctor, if you haven't already, and try different anti-depressant meds until you find the right one that works for you...do that first, think about the discrimination and other stuff later...I implore you, do that first. You need to suppress this depression at all costs.
Bruce Lee is 1/4 German, so he's not 100% Chinese.
Regardless, I think you need to get some help man...this kind of thinking is not good.
What is it about your culture and race that makes you proud?
Perhaps you are feeling a little disconnected from your roots and heritage as you live in America.
You need to accept your identity, because you are nothing without it.
You need to stop comparing yourself to other people. Just stop it. You are you. And everyone has potential. You need to discover and develop yours. Trust me once you get over yourself you will get dates.
If you feel stereotyped then break that stereotype for yourself. How? By working on your personality and your mental thinking patterns. Don't be a racist against yourself, because if you don't have respect for yourself and confidence in yourself, nothing and nobody else will.
Good Luck. You are born healthy and whole, count your blessings and don't drown yourself in self pity. Trust me there are plenty of worse things and places to be born than a healthy asian male.