I actually like patriarchy, I don't know why, it just feels secure to me...
What do you think of patriarchy?
I actually like patriarchy, I don't know why, it just feels secure to me...
Patriarchy means fatherhood. Ask yourself this, have you ever felt "oppressed" or "victimized" when your father took care of you and your mother as a parent and husband? Is it wrong for a father to take care of his family? Absolutely not. Hence patriarchy is the same. It means that men are supposed to be in charge akin to the way a father is in charge of his household. It is not about dominance but care and selfless sacrifice, doing what is best for those you love as a leader and provider. It entails responsibility and duty. Granted, this has been abused and misunderstood by patriarchal societies at times, akin to the way real fathers have abused their role as parent, including my own. But that still does not change the ideal, and the true purpose. I wholeheartedly believe that the patriarchy is THE definitive way to run a society, that it is God ordained, and more than that, that it is inevitable as a part of nature and no amount of nurture or egalitarian liberal rhetoric will ever change that. Nature always reigns supreme. Long live the patriarchy!
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Women used to raise gardens, pick fruit, collect eggs, kill chickens, milk cows, can food, haul water, chop wood, hand wash clothes, sew and mend and so on. Women's roles changed when we stopped being agricultural in nature. Even then, many women toiled in mills or laundries or were in service.
Women not tangibly contributing to the family through work only took place for a very short time among a very small group of people (upper middle class and rich urbanites, usually of white, non Irish/Italian/Polish stock).
Prior to relatively recent history, men, women and children all work, work, work, work, worked.
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Lol... My momma and my poppa both protect, provide and manage us. It's called good parenting.
"Patriarchy" is just the way it was. These days there are more female leaders as more females become educated and ambitious.
I prefer being treated like a person rather than a daisy who can't even handle standing up on the bus or crossing the street without help. In my culture (somali), it's an insult to act like someone is a child who isn't capable of things like that alone.
@Jeeevan There are many more female leaders now than there were 100 years ago.
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Meh, don't get me wrong I'm about as sub as it gets, but all men being a caste above me just because they're men isn't fair. I'm glad it's not the fifties because that sexism was real and hurtful, and today is a lot better, but I know what you mean. It's very comforting to have a male around you can trust even if their just a friend or your brother.
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I don't like patriarchy, I prefer matriarchy ;)
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Dominant girls rule :D
Anonymous (36-45, while I might fap to these pictures, I've never seen anyone in real life like this.
@YourName123 I know, me neither, unfortunately (except in my dreams)...
Of course it feels secure. Patriarchy essentially consists of men taking care of women, which has also lead to women becoming ever more dependant and submissive (you can't have a lot of freedom and safety, just accept it). A lot of it derives from evolution itself. Men are not the original gender (as in, only cells, some other creatures, and women can give birth), we were made to be disposable for battle, hunting and to help select better genes for the next generation. Like it or not, women are the high-value assets of any species. They define if there is a next generation or not. "Save the cheerleader, save the world". The very fact that a woman can only get pregnant of a very limited number of babies means they are the HAVs of the species, since they are the limitant factor.
before feminism came along it was a woman general train of thought. the man/husband was the head of the household. the kong of the castle. and he worked. provided for his wife protected her. in the caveman days the man goes out and hints down andckills an animal. the woman stays in the cave and waits for her MSN to return with the dead animal. she cooks it up and they eat. i am not alphamale. i am betamale. i stay home and keep the apartment clean cook. i wait for my wife. the matriarch of the family to come home and provide for me. well? we do live in the year 2016? why not?
I like it to it's the natural order of things, the way they were meant to be the nuclear family unit.
And it's a fact that families that adhere to it are the strongest, happiest and most stable.
Togetherness of the family is important. In a balanced family the man and the woman do not compete against one another. The man is the head of the family and the woman is the heart of it - both are important for the well being of the family.
And no without it, successful young men are deciding maybe marriage is not for them, especially when there's free milk everywhere
@YourName123 The decline in marriage is partly due to women, feminists and all this other bullshit that make it almost impossible to find a decent traditional woman because they hound and denounce the few that still like the old ways.
There is a whole movement dedicated to just tossing aside women altogether because they're making it to much of a pain in the ass and complicated to find a partner.
But I ain't gonna give up still gonna keep trying.
Because only traditional women are worth marrying? Yet all these men freak out paying for dates lol Like hello, traditional women define men's interest by how much you court them.
Independent women like me, will pretty much know you're interested if you say yes when I ask you out. And I have paid for dates many times, never really cared
@BuchitaBuchys Of course not there are tons of none traditional women for other guys but they're not for me. And I can tell you from experience that's not true.
And that interest you speak of is only surface deep, intrigue really, the date is only to get to know you and see what and who you are, and then depending on that I decide whether I want to actually start something with you or not, and I've been with the whole empowering, independent woman type, it ain't for me, and I've been burned to many times by those kinds of women for stupid reasons.
I prefer what I was raised to be, traditional, classic and the natural order of things, man and woman, old fashioned. That's just the way I am, I prefer an old fashioned woman to my old fashioned self, and good for you, but I don't really care how many dates you've paid for it's irrelevant information.
If it works for you, fine. But you make it seem like traditional is the only way to go.
@BuchitaBuchys Because for me it is, and for a lot of other guys to, maybe not on here the land of insecurity but in real life.
Again, you make it seem like people are insecure or wrong for not wanting to be traditional. there's nothing wrong with 50/50 relationships, patriarchal, or matriarchal relationships, as long as everyone involved is ok and for it.
@BuchitaBuchys I'm just speaking from experience and actual real stable people, not the people on here because lets be honest GaG is not a healthy representation of humanity or what men or women want.
I've known many healthy happy relationships where both work, both cook and clean, both take part in household decisions.
@BuchitaBuchys I'm sure you have, so have I, again I'm just speaking from my part of the country we do things traditional around here. And I'm sure things are done more modern were your from, different area's different people.
Yes, and neither are wrong. Neither are about insecurity like you claim. Sure, some people do prefer subservient women because they are intimidated by a woman who makes more than them. Sure, there are some men who prefer a working woman because they are insecure about if they're actually able to provide or to tackle responsibilty over others, but they are not the only reason.
@BuchitaBuchys Actually the insecurity thing is correct in relation to people on here, which is what I was referring to.
And on the contrary I have no issues with a working woman who makes more then me I could less actually, all I care about is that she's old fashion, morals and values, I actually love strong women who are my equal but I like em old fashioned. Which may not make sense to you, but to me perfectly.
@BuchitaBuchys
As I said above
Togetherness of the family is important. In a balanced family the man and the woman do not compete against one another. The man is the head of the family and the woman is the heart of it - both are important for the well being of the family.
That sounds more like a 50/50 family than patri or matriarchy tbh. But if you can find a way to work it out like that with a man or woman of the house, kudos to you.
@BuchitaBuchys Lol it's not what it refers to is both the man and woman know there place in the house so there is no disputing that, no arguing about roles. The man is always rules the house, he provides, he protects, the woman is the heart of it, she takes care of and nurtures.
It's a very traditional and old quote from my people the gypsies.
It sounds moer like 50/50
@BuchitaBuchys
trust me it's not I think I'd know it is my culture after-all.
Yes but this dynamic can happen with matriarch, 50/50, patriarch etc
@BuchitaBuchys Fine I'll give you that in your culture yes in mine no.
MRAs hate it because they think women who stay at home with the children are lazy leeches. Feminists hate it because it "holds women back". Personally, I'm totally all right with a man working and providing for the family and his wife staying at home with the kids. I feel that family life would be a lot healthier if that were the norm.
Well, I like guys to be strong and be leaders. But if he's a bad leader, I want nothing to do with him.
That's the problem with patriarchy. In a real patriarchy, women don't get any choice, even if the men aren't worthy of being leaders. Just look at the Middle East.
So I think I'd rather live in a place that doesn't have a patriarchy, but where I have the choice as an individual to follow a man's lead or not.
A patriarchy does not have to be that bad women can have some choice in a patriarchy. like America was a patriarchy until 1963 before that women had the right to vote but they do not have the right to be paid equally
I like the idea of providing for my future wife and children, but it doesn't have to be this way. Its definitely the more traditional style, but some women are going to want to be right there with the man providing through a career of their own, and that would be fine with me too if that's what she wanted to do.
Not a fan of it. It puts too much pressure on the man and degrades the woman to subservient status. I'd prefer equality.
Women can and should work, while men can and should help with cooking and/or cleaning.
We agree! Yey :)
Exactly
@BuchitaBuchys Personal experience has shaped my view. It's a shame so many women are too subservient.
It seems to be what men prefer
@BuchitaBuchys I honestly have no idea how to get women to be more confident and be on a level playing field with me when they themselves don't want to.
It's not for me, but if it works for you, then kudos.
what if justin timberlake tried to get u into a patriarchal marriage and was really dominant too (not only in bed), took patriarchy to whole new levels and even forced u to wear a burqa while moving around in beaches in USA. Would u accept it only because its justin timberlake?
@rogerthat123 who are you?
just a normal guy in search of impt answers
@rogerthat123 why do you keep asking me though lol
i ask a lot of people a lot of things
@rogerthat123 ok
as a feminist i hate it wooaaaaah 3liya :p :p
patriarchy is starting to die maybe not everywhere but society changed now if a guy tells his wife wore more respecting clothes he is considered a sexist and retard women in my country thinks that freedom means removing their clothes
Enti feminist? Ya choumiii 😝😂
i know i know :p :p
srsl in tn feminism tries to appear as a major force but it can't do that u can't fight tradtition
I hope tradition will stay lol
It's the main reason why I want to go back to Tunisia and live there.
by the time uget back women will ask men hands in marriage :>
Matkhawefnich 😭😭😭🔫
Ya rabbi oltof bina
srsl i think every gender has his roles its simple as that
u want your husband respect and love than respect and love him first but sadly marraige her are for mere kids the girl is 18-22 even less than 18 and the guys is much older 25-35
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N7eb n3ares b 3arbi pour cette raison, mazelou traditionnels chwaya 3al 2a9al...
La7adht houni barcha bnet twensa yokhrjou m3a des europeens, deja zouz kenou m3aya fel lycee wa7da m3a un swiss w lokhra m3a un francais, ama ena je veux un mec traditionnels, itha 7atta rjel tounes ma3adech traditionnels, chkoun bech nekhedh? 😭
Loooool malla msiba😂
اللي حج حج و الي عوق عوق
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srsl it depends some places hold tradition more than other
at least in my family marriage tradition will never change
Haw behi 😛 Mela enti traditionnel 😝?
actually yes
Yaaa mazeltou man9aredhtouch 🎉🎉🎊🎈
are u going to dance for this news hhhhh :p
let me tell u most guys say they are open minded just to please others
but in reality no tn guy will allow his wife to go out in revealing clothes some of them will say why not but its not just my thinking
7atta jme3et "papa w mama" w esprit, w celtia etc?
i can't talk about them since im not one of them hhh :p
men in western world become afraid of women bc of feminisim
but in most arab world they can marry 4 hhh
Not in Tunisia 😜
well in reality u can if u go to a country like egypt and get their citizenship
they allow 4 wives
It worked for LONG time. Quite well I would say, we built the most successful society in history.
It results in well adjusted successful children
It didn't happen accidentally.
Every measure of family success has declined since we started demonizing it.
Divorce rate, child suicide rate, drug use, High school drop out rate, incarceration rate, etc.
if i would live in a country where the economy was actually decent and i was able to have financial security i could maybe be more flexible about it. but this is not the case, in my country if not both men and women work its difficult to pay for everything.
my mom is a stay-at-home mom, but she actually manages 2 businesses. and my dad has a job too.
You need to rethink this as patriarchy highly degrades women.. I lived all of my life in a patriarchal society and it's not as secure as it seems especially to women. It can be easily abused just like any other form of absolute rule (monarchy.. etc).
I also grew up in patriarchy and I liked it :p
Abuse can exist and exists in all societies, even the most liberal ones!
You're Lebanese?
Ah okey haha you looked Lebanese to me 😝
If it suits you best ok. I would like to be in an even relationship where both of us can be leaders.
Thanks but no thanks.
I think it doesn't exist in mainstream America, but you'd find a lot of forty year old men that would marry you right now if you said that last sentence.
I think lots of people love it because of security so I srsly love that you mentioned that. You hit the nail on the head I think. I personally don't like it but... security wise, I like some parts.
There isn't anything wrong with it in my opinion, the pictures you provided is the old patriarchy in my opinion, these days both partners provide for their family. I don't understand why some females and males have a problem with it.
You have a problem with matriarchy but not patriarchy?
@BuchitaBuchys We are in a patriarchy now and i said there isn't anything wrong with it, i didn't say i supported it for the final time.
Is there anything wrong with matriarchy then?
@BuchitaBuchys Yeah.
Like what?
@BuchitaBuchys Many people who believe in matriarchy have delusional expectations, many females who want matriarchy see it as a push towards female supremacy too.
And patriarchy isn't for male supremacy?
@BuchitaBuchys No, like i said so many times, it used to be about male supremacy, nowadays it is about equality.
How is it about equality? Lol really, so being subservient and letting a man make your decisions is equal? You're delusional
@BuchitaBuchys Okay, you seriously cannot read for shit. Listen to me, I'm not going to argue with you. If you read about the matriarchy it's all about supremacy for women, in patriarchy NOWADAYS we are pushing for equality. If you still don't get it, god help you.
You have not said a damn thing about how patriarchy is for equality. Shut up about matriarchy and just explain about how patriarchy is for equality, im listening.
@BuchitaBuchys Do you live under a fucking rock? We are equal in the west, people in the middle east are slowly getting equality. That is how patriarchy is for equality. (Nowadays patriarchy)
How exactly is that? And the reason why we're getting equality is thanks to first and second wave feminism which was against patriarchy lol
@BuchitaBuchys Please just stop. I'm trying to do my work and talk to you at the same time. I''ll reply when im done
Reply in the other thread and stop blowing ElisaDido's notifications
You'd be used to it, from Tunisia. I suppose. But it's from the era of slavery and for women, well.. enough said.
neither patriarchal societies nor matriarchal will ever do well. Balance is the key.
Also, ur not much lighter skinned than me if thats your skin colour in this pic but u look really good, hot than cute this time :)
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