Controversy. A short animated video gone viral about two young boys being gay is being promoted to influence children? What are your thoughts?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I think sooner or later a animated movie about LGBT community will hit theaters nation wide to influence and condition young childrens minds to be more accepting of the LGBT community.

As far as I'm concerned I think targeting innocent childrens minds about LGBT is pushing the boundary.

I can care less what a tranny or two gay or lesbians do with their genitals as long is not in My house or making advances towards me sexually.

I don't care nor support the LGBT community. As long they stay out of My way, I will stay out of theirs, but targeting the most innocent among us to further a agenda is kinda sick.

Give your thoughts gaggers. 🙄

[MermaidMotel]

Honestly, most things like this will go right over children's heads. I doubt they would even get the true meaning and point of this video. It's hard for them to understand grasp things and to read between the lines when you're really young... ESPECIALLY when there's no dialogue involved that explains what's going on. Just think of all those kids shows you used to watch that hinted at serious topics like suicide, depression, divorce, etc... and you didn't even realize it at that age.

Young teens, middle schoolers, and young adults may relate to this more so than elementary school children like everyone is talking about in the comment section.

I will admit, it's well animated, but that's as far as it goes for me to be honest. I don't really care for the LGBT community and don't buy into the propoganda, to be honest.

[Anonymous]

Well, you cannot stop other people for saying stupid idea,

What i hate about lgbt is when, the person you know yesterday is not that person you meet from today

They kill that person, and they wondee they want to be accepted
Theyve thought they giving good influence to other people , but they are not

One thing i hate about lgbt is to disregard sexuality

Promoting something that u are born to have tits

And people will say, you born with that and u dont need it, the real person is in your heart

Dufuq

How is that ever a nice influence at all if you influence people to trash something that u have

Anyway, sexuality should never be promoted with children or even adults

Theyve got their rights but they should stay silent not making noise

Such desperate peoples

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I can almost be certain pedophiles will one day push they can't help it that they are attracted to little children and promote it to get their way like homos push hard to be accepted. One door leads to an other type of thing.

[MlleCake]

They already are. Go fight them.

LGBT is not abnormal, nor is it hurtful to other people.

[Opinion Owner]

@MlleCake

[Opinion Owner]

Yes they aren't, but they promote self destruction method to cure depression

[MlleCake]

Actually, it's the psychiatric community that determined that was a more reasonable treatment than institutionalization, electro-convulsive therapy and lobotomy, which were recommendations they USED to make for people who believe they are trans. It took decades of research for them to reach the conclusions they have reached about transgenderism. These tend to be people already caught in a world of self-destruction. The therapies recommended for trans patients tend to focus on self-reconstruction.

You're just caught up on bottom surgery, which only a tiny percentage of trans people will ever undergo. I appreciate how you can see it as self-destructive - it certainly would be if you or I mutilated our genitals at home. But in terms of a transgender person, like I said, it's an act of self-reconstruction.

[Anonymous]

You can't make someone Gay. It doesn't work that way. LGBT people are born every day. It's natural, and it's part of God's plan. Children who see cartoons like this will either feel more accepted for who they are, or more accepting of other people. THAT IS WHAT JESUS TAUGHT.

Never anywhere did he condone people like you persecuting others, especially for something that doesn't effect you in the least.

You are way too old to be acting like you do.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Lol smh. Who am I persecuting? Whatever.🖒

[Opinion Owner]

YOU advocate the persecution of LGBT people. Basically in this post.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You advocate to support and promote sexualized homo themes and concept to young childrens mind. You will be a horror to raise children.

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah, you're not using hyperbolic persecutory language at all.

The LGBT agenda: Grow-up without bullying, have a decent life with all your civil rights intact. The end.

You and your religious propaganda filled noggin have no clue about who LGBT people are or what we want. And you reject us like Samaritans. But who did God love? The Samaritans. Use your Bible to teach you how to love as Jesus loves.

Your anger, lies and hatred are nothing that Jesus ever asked of you.

Remember, bearing false witness is in the top ten list. So every time you repeat your lies...

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You win. 🖒👍

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, I do. Because I side with what Jesus taught, not what King James' translators taught.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Stay deceived. 🖒

[Zk15224]

ahahahhahaha religious people and their arguing over their interpretation of a magic book written over 1000 years ago.

[Opinion Owner]

@Zk15224 Actually, a lot of it was written less than 1000 years ago. ;) It may not be a meaningful text to you, and that's fine. It is a meaningful text to many - many who vote, many who brandish weapons, many who deny or grant basic human rights based on what they think it says, so for some of us, it's worthwhile to discuss.

Personally, I don't think it matters to God if YOU believe or follow certain texts. I think God wants you to be a decent and loving human in your time on this Earth. But whether God wants that or not, I think you probably know yourself - being better to people makes it a better world. Finding context to harass, ostracize, demonize people over something they had no choice in, is bad for the world.

[jacquesvol]

There's always https://i.imgur.com/DFSuAoV.jpg

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol Ah-yup. It's clear he and I differ in our feelings about the message of the Bible. I love him and wish him well just the same. Half of the reason I even engage in discussions with him is so that he can see his one way of looking at things is not the only Christian way of looking at things.

Personally, I have studied directly with Biblical scholars, mostly through the Claremont School of Theology, but some from Harvard and Trinity in Ireland (OMG do they have a beautiful copy of the Book of Kells.) I've also spent a great deal of time in the Hebrew Union College library, and in a salon with several young Rabbis.

I don't know what his background is. Clearly different.

[jacquesvol]

en.wikipedia.org/.../Hermeneutics

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol I always have to remind myself that gymnobibilism is not a disease condition of the sigmoid colon..

[jacquesvol]

Your search - gymnobibilism - did not match any documents.
You got me !

[Opinion Owner]

@jacquesvol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnobiblism

I added an extra i due to not having my glasses on.

[jacquesvol]

Close to the "Sola scriptura" theology idea thus.

[JJCarreon]

so then God should have made adam and steve or eve and eva... if he did then non of us would be here today... so thats why he made adam and eve so that they can procreate and have children

[AzureGirl]

I think it's a cute short that's meant to be a step into a direction that allows same sex relationships to be seen as normal by more than just mature television. There's nothing wrong in showing kids that liking the same gender is normal and it's okay to feel that way if that happens in the future.

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

That's the thing; it's not normal. The LGBTQ movement normalizes sexual proclivities of 2% of the world's population. LGBTQ people are a statistical anomaly, not a normal, everyday thing.

[AzureGirl]

How is it not exactly?

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

Because they're 2% of the world's population

[AzureGirl]

Just because they're in the minority doesn't make it any less normal.

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

That goes against the very definition of the word "normal"

[Zk15224]

Sorry but being the minority is actually what makes something not normal

[salyy]

thank you !!!

[MlleCake]

@Zk15224 Actually, that isn't.

Blue eyes are normal.
Green eyes are normal.
Brown eyes are normal.
Bi-colored eyes are normal. (And exceedingly rare.)

You're confusing normal with "common".

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

"Normal" and "common" mean the same thing in different words

[MlleCake]

@TheDamnYankeeLad No, they don't actually. Normal implies appropriateness, especially as you are using the word. You are saying that something is not "normal" because it is not common. Many normal things are not common.

Red hair - normal but not common.
Being 6'9" or taller - normal but not common

Speech impediments - common but not normal (and we think it's wrong to be shitty to kids with speech impediments.)

[Zk15224]

Being gay is actually a mutation of a segment of DNA known as XQ28, mutations are not normal.

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

Normal; "conforming to a standard; usual, typical, or expected."
Common; "occurring, found, or done often; prevalent."

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

And homosexuality is mot genetic. If that were the case, it would be impossible for a person to have two identical twins with different sexualities.

[MlleCake]

@Zk15224 Mutations are the way evolution progresses, so in that sense, they are "normal". Some mutations do bad things - like the mutation in the genes of the cancer my mother had that made them feed off of Estrogen. That was very bad. Then there's mutations that are neutral like my mutated genes that gave me a gap between my front teeth. It's neither here nor there - I still chew just fine, it's only a cosmetic mutation. And there are the bozillionty-million mutations that caused humans to evolve from ancient great apes and most of us think those things are pretty awesome like less hair, true bi-pedalism, cognitive advances that allowed us to create sophisticated forms of communication, using fire to make our food more digestible and the nutrients easier to absorb, you name it... we L O V E an infinitesimal number of genetic mutations in ourselves. We like them in our pets too, and plants - we really adore the genetic mutation that made the first sweet apple.

[MlleCake]

@TheDamnYankeeLad Let's talk about your claims of normal and common meaning the same thing. I gave you examples that proved your assumptions about both words to be somewhat incorrect - several of each.

But let's talk a bit more about that. Start by reading this article www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-do-we-mean-normal

"The matter of what is normal can't be and must not be a mere statistical nicety. It can't be and must not be "normal" to be a Christian just because 95% of your community is Christian. It can't be and must not be "normal" to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex just because 90% of the general population is heterosexual. It can't be and must not be "normal" to own slaves just because all the landowners in your state own slaves. "Normal" can't mean and must not mean "what we see all the time" or "what we see the most of." It must have a different meaning from that for it to mean anything of value to right-thinking people."

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

You have provided no examples. None. And the dictionary agrees with me, so damn your psychologists to hell for all they're worth. Be smart and pull your forces back while you still can.

[MlleCake]

@TheDamnYankeeLad You really have to do better than quoting Webster's. It really doesn't make the case you think it does.

[TheDamnYankeeLad]

The English language doesn't change because a psychologist disagrees with it.

[Bananaman177]

I'm very, very, very, very leery of letting these Hollywood pedophiles push their subliminal sexualization program onto CHILDREN, when we know there's such a huge problem with pedophilia in Hollywood. Hmm, why are they telling our boys to go gay again? Oh, because they care about "gay acceptance?"

Yeah, fuckin' SURE they do, oh, I BET!

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www.gossipcop.com/.../Justin-Bieber-Pedophiles.jpg

Yeah, Hollywood executives, boy, they sure really do care!

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Smh.

[ThisDudeHere]

Parents who complain that their children are being "exposed" to wrongthink could instead just take the time to not let their kids watch it, instead of demanding that it be taken off the air altogether.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I guess, but that means parents will literally have probably cut off all cartoons for their kid.

[MlleCake]

There are parents that do that, sure.

[ADFSDF1996]

I know this might not sound politically correct but I think it's inappropriate to show it to elementary school children. If they feel they must show this film then it should be restricted to teenagers and older.

[xoxxkylie]

but if it's about a straight pairing it's okay? i don't see your logic.

[ADFSDF1996]

@xoxxkylie When I was younger, not even heterosexual romance was allowed to be shown to minors, why should homosexual romance get a free pass?

[MlleCake]

There have been all sorts of heterosexual couplings in children's cartoons and programming as long as there ever has been such a thing. You live in the US @ADSF1996. I know what cartoons were on the air in your childhood. There were plenty of hetero-romantic themes. Don't be obtuse.

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake In case you didn't know, Dragon tales is actually a brother and sister relationship.

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake Why not name a few?

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake Correct me if I'm wrong but are you assuming that just because you are older than me, you know more than me?

[MlleCake]

Nope, and said nothing of the sort. I was alive when you were watching children's media, and I have a pretty good idea of common themes in many of them, because some of them were cartoons that have been around since my parents were kids. I'll post some clips.

Now, of course, YOU may not have watched such things, but they were regularly shown to children of your age group.

Stay tuned for clips.

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake Please don't say beauty and the beast is one of them.😆

[MlleCake]

Ok, let's start with the sex harassing skunk... first one to leap to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1mK9En8NvE

[MlleCake]

Here's a scantily clad cabaret singer doing a sultry love song to a male wolf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1mK9En8NvE

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake That's between animals though, so it seems more "innocent".

[MlleCake]

Woops, wrong clip posted. BRB

Here's this from Aladdin. That came out when you were an infant I think, but my students your age watched it: 4.bp.blogspot.com/.../...712122525_320004125_n.jpg

[MlleCake]

Beauty and The Beast? Also showed heterosexual romance:

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[MlleCake]

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[MlleCake]

3.bp.blogspot.com/.../Pocahontas_Disney.JPG

[MlleCake]

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[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake At my school they would skip all of the kidding scenes.

[ADFSDF1996]

*kissing

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake I'm not sure if Simpsons is actually a kid friendly show.

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake At least none of them showed sexual scenes. Unlike this "talent show" www.google.com/.../

[MlleCake]

There were hetero-romantic themes in later sequels of Toy Story, on the Muppet Show, in Charlie Brown (remember that little redheaded girl he mooned over?)

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and

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and

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Alvin and his brothers had love interests.

Here's Chuckie's big romance...
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And parents kissing, ewwwwwww.
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[MlleCake]

My point is, the same, or more graphic stuff than the video HCG posted, was portrayed to kids "in your day".

It just was always hetero.

The original clip posted was not even graphic. All it showed was a guy who had feelings for another guy and was embarrassed about it. That's it. It wasn't a graphic porn.

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake Yes I know they kept it PG but most of those you showed were humans that looked unnatural with a few exceptions. What I'm also saying is that if they start to go non PG then it shouldn't be shown to children, just look at that link I showed you. That's not acceptable.

[MlleCake]

Is the clip that HCG posted intended to be shown in public schools? Is it more graphic than other things that would be shown? Is school the only way YOU ever saw children's TV? (Because most children watch it at home.)

I get that you think if it's animals it's more innocent. So what? You were trying to say none of this ever appeared to children your age. I was a teacher when you were born. TONS of this stuff appeared in children's media. I can't even tell you how many copies of some of these Disney movies people wore out on their VHS players for their kids your age.

You, and your parents, never thought a thing of it, because it was all hetero.

Well, LGBT people exist too, and we have as much right to see our stories told in all the same ways as hetero stories are told. Sure, there's grown-up stuff for grown-ups, and kid stuff for kids - but just because something has gay characters or even a gay love theme doesn't make it obscene, or wrong.

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake I don't have a problem with LGBT but once they start to forcing it onto us straight folks by slowly replacing Heterosexual romance in films that's when it goes too far. I don't mind if every once in a while they release a LGBT film to the public, just don't force it onto everyone.

[MlleCake]

But it's OK for hetero people to force their one way of doing things on all the rest of us who aren't hetero?

This isn't forcing. It's just a damned cartoon. Some kids may see it. It's not graphic, or more than PG by any stretch. It just happens to not be hetero themed.

What it really comes down to is that you can't set aside your anti-LGBT values to see something like this for what it really is - just one thing among the millions and millions of messages children will get about grown-up sexuality whether they are ready or not - and you only think it's worse because it's not hetero.

If you had just admitted that in your first post, we could have had a very different discussion.

[ADFSDF1996]

@MlleCake I've already said I don't have a problem with LGBT people, I just don't want heterosexuals to be pushed aside. Nowadays that might sound "anti LGBT" because of political correctness but I can guarantee you that I'm not "anti LGBT" I just don't want heterosexuals to be neglected.

[cipher42]

Wtf heterosexuals aren't being neglected. The vast majority of romances in the media are still heterosexual, possibly even a disproportionate amount (haven't checked the stats, but that's just based on what it seems like from what I watch). Like, come on, at least come up with a better excuse than that.

[MlleCake]

Having cartoons and children's media depict some homosexual characters doesn't push aside heterosexuals.

[ADFSDF1996]

@cipher42 The point here is that is that straight people shouldn't be neglected just because LGBT has been neglected before. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[cipher42]

But they're not being neglected, and no one (at least no one reasonable) is suggesting they should be. So what's your point?

[ADFSDF1996]

@cipher42 Obviously, I'm just saying that it shouldn't come to the point where straight people get neglected.

[cipher42]

What does that have to do with the original topic though? Like do you have an issue with LGBT media being shown or not? Because the mere existence of LGBT media does not in any way put heterosexual media at risk any more than having animal characters puts the existence of human characters at risk.

[ADFSDF1996]

@cipher42 I've already said this many times on here, I do not have anything against LGBT as long as they don't try to force their way of life into other people. I've met many friendly Lesbians who I'm still friends with.

[cipher42]

So then this film is just as fine as any disney movie with a heterosexual romance? In any case, my issue is essentially that I don't think that there is any kind of risk of LGBT people "forcing" their lifestyle on other people, and I think that to suggest that there is such a risk is a misrepresentation of the facts and unnecessary fearmongering, particularly considering that there's a far greater risk (and historical precedent) of heterosexuality and cisgenderedness actually legitimately being forced onto people, something that I don't see acknowledged much by those talking about the same issue with LGBT people.

[ADFSDF1996]

@cipher42 People rarely talk about this because it's too controversial.

[MlleCake]

@cipher42 img04.deviantart.net/.../...y_wormchow-d7kefj1.png

[salyy]

y’all are fucking weird. making TV show characters better represent real life isn’t an agenda.

there is no such thing as gay propaganda. homosexuality is an orientation, not an ideology. nothing to force.

i’m not gonna try reasoning with y’all. just please think about the words you type, make sure they’re not stupid.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Go learn something how social conditioning works through media. 😊

[ObscuredBeyond]

Anything being pushed that violates biology, in which anyone who dares object is automatically vilified, is clearly an agenda, and very one-sided. Since Michael Swift's manifesto, and "After the Ball," the agenda has been very out and open.

[TheOtakuMaid]

actually, while I have no issue with this case there is a agenda. the fucking YouTubers who make videos on transgenderism direct it towards 5 year olds when they have no need of such knowledge or need to fucking worry about pronouns

[MlleCake]

@TheOtakuMaid But bigots have no problem teaching their kids to hate. Just look at this original poster. He's coming on a forum of young people to promote a message of hate and condemnation. So if yay-hoos like this are going to shout their lies to their children nd anyone withing earshot, they have earned the counterpoints they are confronted with.

People do not choose to be LGBT. We have every right to shout that from the high hills too - that it's normal, natural and not a detriment to society.

[TheOtakuMaid]

@MlleCake no but nor they can't know they are transgender at 6 nor does anyone really know what the fuck they are by 13. so children don't need to know anything about it other than some dudes like dudes chicks like chicks and some feel they're the opposite sex that's it end of discussion nothing more

nor am I defending homophobes but the homophobes are not promoting children being able to decide if they want to cut their dick off or halt puberty. fuck you executive decision is no

[TheOtakuMaid]

@MlleCake there very much is a propaganda agenda by the left. not all of it but a good portion is

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@MlleCake: "He's coming on a forum of young people to promote a message of hate and condemnation."

No where did I spread hate or condemn anyone. I'm just speaking out against what a YouTuber or who ever did created the short film as to push a gay agenda which clearly the video promoted.

And people on this site aren't little children. 99% of people on this site are adults already.

[MlleCake]

Yeah, you did, and you do, almost on the daily. You're not sharing the message of Jesus. You're bearing false witness.

[jacquesvol]

I looked at that clip. nothing shocking in it.
Gays DO exist. They always existed.
You can not undo that. No, I don't see a problem if children learn see them as another kind of normal people.

Compared with all the violence and horror movies kids are confronted with, I don't see where your aversion comes from.

How many people were KILLED in the most television series or movie you permitted your children to watch?
Do you approve manslaughter or murder?

[OfDeath]

Lol exactly.

[MlleCake]

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[jacquesvol]

A whole truckload? :-o

[MlleCake]

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[fauchelevent]

Nah, I think it's super cute. Nothing wrong with a kids film about two gay dudes, it's not like they're forcing every single child to watch it and even if they were, a video isn't gonna turn a kid gay and hey, even if videos could turn kids gay, being gay isn't a bad thing anyway. So yeah, adorable film.

[Rissyanne]

Because of shit like this... I am glad my kids are grown.

[RolandCuthbert]

Weird. So now you are concerned that young boys might catch. . ."the gay"? Haha!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPkMik0EBII&list=PLwRdxmMWeuYAk3AXSilRaji7S0gBV9AjJ&index=14

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I have little nephews and nieces that watch cartoons so of course I'm somewhat concerned they might be watching some unnatural faggot crap on TV.

I know you however don't care about anything nor children, since you're a wicked man. I can tell you support and like evil.

[JhonnyMA]

Own... cute video... thanks for showing it to me...
but... what about it that a child couldn't see it? I the past all we had was people and everything saying that it was wrong being LGBT, and eve with all their force we still became it... so a little video like this will never influence a child in nothing... It was never the influences we had, It's biological, a child will not change just by saying it's wrong, and will not change if you say things like that are okay...

[cinnaminion]

I don't really see a problem with it. I don't care if someone is gay, it's not my business but i think making people aware at an early age that this is a thing they're probably going to encounter in their life and there's nothing wrong with it is gonna be beneficial for society as a whole in the long run.

[Izumiblu]

There's a fine line between lets not be mean to each other and teaching that choosing a gay lifestyle is an appropriate choice for a child. This sounds like propaganda to me. But I haven't seen it.

[djvtech]

How is it teaching that they're choosing a gay lifestyle?

[Chriyn]

@djvtech
It's teaching them acceptance of others and self. Not influencing them to be gay.

[Izumiblu]

In general there seems to be confusion about what acceptance means. To some people acceptance means that we should all get along, accept a person for being gay and that we shouldn't disagree with it and that I shouldn't do anything that may cause offense or go against that social acceptance of lifestyle. To me, that is not what acceptance means. Acceptance to me means that they are free to make their own choices, that I shouldn't seek to cause harm and in turn acceptance of the person doesn't mean I need to accept that they are gay as an acceptable life choice. Now if a gay person finds offense in that then that's ok, I am perfectly fine with them being offended. Acceptance in these films is not actually acceptance in freedom of choice, its sets an expectation that being gay is a socially acceptable life choice in the same way that a hetero couple is acceptable. It simply isn't and it shouldn't be taught that way.

[MlleCake]

You can't teach someone to choose a "gay lifestyle".

[Izumiblu]

@MlleCake as a here to woman I can choose not to act on it if I please. I am not a victim of circumstance.

[MlleCake]

You may choose never to do "gay stuff", but what you are is still what you are. Just like celibate people who know they are heterosexual. But none of this is promoting a "gay lifestyle" as you call it, which I am not even sure what that means. This particular cartoon shows a male person (age indeterminate) who has feelings for another male person of similar age. There's no sex. They don't show them buggering each other in the restrooms near the men's shoe departments at Nordstroms. They're just existing, having this one experience - of mutual "like" for each other.

Being LGBT is natural, normal, and perfectly acceptable in society. We don't all get to have society be just the one way we like - we live in a culture where we will encounter many people doing many things. Why we spend time freaking out about people loving each other when we have crazy warlords trying to find an excuse to nuke millions of people I will never understand.

Go after something that matters.

[Izumiblu]

@MlleCake like really take a minute to read my post... they can choose however they want.. doesn't make it a correct choice. Just like they can make that choice they have no right to force me to accept it as a social norm. I'm perfectly fine if they find that offensive... tough shit. I'm perfectly fine if they wanna make their own choice too. Where it crosses the line is when you presume that society cannot be one way and then force me to accept this is an acceptable choice for everyone in society. You talk out of both sides of your mouth.

[MlleCake]

It's a normal, natural, perfectly acceptable thing to be. Everyone can make bad sexual choices. But simply the state of being LGBT is not something people choose.

[Izumiblu]

@MlleCake No, its not natural or normal. I know, the argument goes, it occurs in other species, its occurred across time and is not unique to this day and age. But you know what, all kinds of things not beneficial have occurred over time and across species. It might be natural in that sense, but that doesn't mean its right or beneficial for society.

I'm fine with people making their own choices. In fact I'm so fine with that I voted to legalize gay marriage in my state, not because I think its right and beneficial, but its because I believe the government should have no say and that people should be left to make their own choices. In return for that, my choice is to not be forced into some LGBT propaganda that tells me I have to think the same way they do. Let us all be free to pursue our own values and lives. And sometimes, that means we are going to disagree with one another, and I'm fine with that.

[MlleCake]

LGBT is not detrimental to society or the human species. It's just a natural variance in human sexual preference.

In the end though, what it really comes down to is this: In the US we have freedom of speech, and the right to the pursuit of happiness. What you believe is your right to believe and talk to other people about - use all the media available to you. But what we believe we also have a right to believe and disseminate to others as we see fit.

Ultimately what you and the OP are asking is to have your right to spread whatever lies and hatred you wish but to have that right denied to us. It just doesn't work that way under the US Constitution. We have to put up with all the rhetoric your type of person feeds into society, so, guess what... you have to live with what we have to say also. (Assuming you're U. S. as the OP is.)

[Izumiblu]

@MlleCake listen to you talk... as though you stand for right and in turn seek to impose your views on others... in 50 years you will look back at this time and see the travesty you are causing to the trans community. Instead of seeking science based assistance for these people you seek barbaric mutilation and therapies based on a wish... snake oil. Of the two of us, I enable freedom for choice even for those I disagree with, you seek only to spread your propaganda and silence anyone that dissents. Of the two, I'd suggest you are far and away more dangerous to society even if I were wrong... and I'm not. This is what I find entertaining with your kind, a simple discussion turns into an emotional rant that runs counter to the very values you claim. You can't even see the hypocrisy in your statements you are so deep in.

[MlleCake]

I do stand for right. But if you have a right to impose your ideas on other people through your right to free speech, so do I. Take away my rights and you'll see your own disappear.

[MlleCake]

I haven't silenced you, nor attempted to. I mean, sure, I wish you'd stop repeating nonsense, but I am not the one in this thread supporting the censorship of a cartoon.

You, however, think we, LGBT people, shouldn't spread "our propaganda". Yours is fine with you. Ours isn't. Too bad for you. We live in the US. It's our right to disseminate what we believe.

And do not dare to presume what I believe about transgenderism.

[Izumiblu]

@MlleCake Wow, again, the seething emotion coming through.

[MlleCake]

As if you have spoken with NO emotion?

[Izumiblu]

@MlleCake I'm not emotional with this, though I'm sure that you feel completely assailed, not just by me in particular but by a larger community of people that are against you and the fact that I have not been even in the slightest, sensitive to your position and feelings on the issue. That may seem harsh to you, but you are talking to a person that regularly votes and supports gay rights so I don't feel like I owe any more to you than that. However, I do feel like I am beginning to depart from agreement with the LGBT community on many issues and my support is less likely in the future. I could cite a number of different examples why, but not really enough room to cover in a thousand characters and not directly related to this specific topic. As far as this video, its free speech, I have no issue with it in particular in that sense so long as I have the ability to control how and on what my children are taught in this respect.

[MlleCake]

Oh aren't you just adorable. Tink tink tink.

[Izumiblu]

@MlleCake if you say so...

[SwoopingHawk]

As far as I'm concerned, non-heterosexuality is like having genitals. I don't care much if you got it, I don't care if you like it. I just don't want it in all my movies or being rammed down childrens' throats. At this point in the development of Western society that's all I ask, and I guess even that's too much for some.

[Anonymous]

Before hormones hit in children do not know they are gay or not, I was 5-6 years old when girls and boys were same to me but I saw on TV girl and boy kissing and I tried to do the same thing with a girl. TV really influences children, they do not know what is wrong or right till they hit a certain age and this footage may lead them do things they will regret in their later life. In my opinion it is not right, as porn watching can lead others to being not able to have sex or lower their potency in life the same goes for this things too. Children are not smart enough to differentiate right from wrong and this kind of thing should be censored in my opinion.

[RedThread]

I just watched this for the first time last week and I thought it was a cute story.

If a gay person watches a heterosexual romance it doesn't make them crave the opposite sex. I've watched plenty of independent gay romance films and I certainly don't crave the same sex.

I just think it's nice to see love. Love brings us all together if we open ourselves up to it.

[TheOtakuMaid]

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That reminds me of the one channel that I saw on YouTube talking about how there are more than two genders.

Just propaganda that's going to cause even more kids to grow up confused.

[DarkBlack9]

I don't support gays and I will never support gays. I don't know why the heck people think gay love is so cute, it's total crap!

[macix670]

Indoctrinating children with their gay agenda is pushing it. I'm totally against this.

[cipher42]

How is that any different than a childrens film with a heterosexual romance?

[macix670]

@cipher42 Because that's normal, homosexuality isn't.

[cipher42]

So we shouldn't show people with red hair in films since that's not normal either?

[TadCurious]

They should leave the children alone. You're right that they're targeting them.

[jakawf]

Forcing something as normal is not the same thing as taking a natural progression towards normalizing. Gay marriage is still in its infancy. Trying to force its normalization is what is causing all the outburst. If we just left it alone and allowed it to happen then one day it would be normal. When cell phones first came out it was only for the rich and obscure people, guess what its been 20 years and everyone has one now a days.

[MlleCake]

Gay marriage is already normal. LGBT people have been forming marriages without legal recognition for the entirety of human history. How long were we supposed to wait for the power structure to grant us civil rights? We left it alone for plenty long enough.

I appreciate what you're saying. I understand where you're coming from.

But when demanding rights that have long been denied, it's never going to be pretty.

I agree, the dinosaurs will eventually die off though, and part of that does take time.

[Anonymous]

you're annoying as fuck. let people live. if a kid's gay, they're gay; if they aren't they aren't. nothing influences that and that is an actual fact. i'm pretty sure no one is gonna make sexual advances towards you in anyway so you can erase that egoistical mindset of yours.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Actually people like you that are proponents or part of the LGBT community are the ones that are annoying. Homosexuality is already accepted in all of Europe and gay marriage in all the states in the USA, yet you want more even to go and defend their clear agenda to target childrens mind with the filth that homosexuality is.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

In 10 to 15 years you will probably defend pedophile then after that beastility. Smh

[MlleCake]

Children and animals cannot consent to sexual activity. But it is people on my side of things that are promoting the value of consent. How you think we'll suddenly turn tail on that is, well, you're cray cray.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@MlleCake: Believe me the day will come will pedophile will push for their agenda to be with children in America. Child marriages already happens in some sick countries.

The pedos will argue that they can't help but be attracted to children and shouldn't be punish and from their it will be a slippery slope for it to be legal. It's going to be through media they will push their disgusting agenda. You gonna see.

[MlleCake]

Pedos already are pushing their agenda - ever heard of NAMBLA? And they are alternately jailed and laughed at, by ALL of us.

How much work have you done in the area of sexual assault to help children effected by pedophilia? Put your money where your mouth is. Show me you actually care.

[DarkBlack9]

What if your son was gay? Would you say let him be whatever he wants? Damn it!

[Giacomanzo]

This video just says "being gay is okay" it doesn't say "being heterosexual is bad". As long as it teaches tollerance and not hate (towards heterosexual people in this case) I don't give jackshit.

[MlleCake]

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