Why are so many women on here anti-feminist? (Page 2)

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This is really surprising and slightly concerning to me as a woman. Feminism is a movement that is supposed to create equality in society between genders and intersections with race, to create a society where we can all take advantage of the same rights and strive at the same pace.  Do you guys not think that is necessary anymore and that we're there already, or do you think that that's not what the movement is about anymore? I feel like there are still so many issues in our society that affect women disproportionately, like wage inequality, lack of employment opportunities within many sectors, objectification, harassment at the workplace, things like childcare fall on women despite them being full-time workers, we still don't have equal political and media representation, it's now coming out that women have been giving up opportunities in the entertainment industry for decades after being harassed and assaulted by men, and so on. Do you feel like all of these are not actually issues or that feminism isn't covering them sufficiently? Could you also state if you actually had experience in the professional workforce and where you guys are from? Because I feel like that might also play into it.

juanignacio92 · Answer

Girl you came from a decade ago. Go back. Women are getting treated and are getting their shots.. don't make this about inequality or unfaurness for women when they don't get their shots not for being women. But for the quality of work and service they provide, you think men get the longer end of the stick? Nah, chill.

Second, a lot of women make such claims, but are first to bring out bad reactions, and send hands flying, but break at the hand being raised at you expecting to get away easy, but press charges for domestic abuse. You act according to your instinct as women and always fall back into place and we men are always the first to blame. So I'm sorry but i don't know where you getting at. But you definitely come off as that type of 'feminist' to me.

aamina_m · Answer

I'm anti-feminist because every feminist I know is not really a feminist. I know a girl who always claims to be a feminist but couldn't survive if it were not for her husband. You should have seen her when she was trying to convince him to marry her. She relies on him in every which way. How can you be a feminist when you rely on a man so much? Zero independence. Then she bashes men. Feminism should be about equality and should be about female independence. Standing on your own two feet. Knowing how to survive on your own and not depending on someone else.. but also and most importantly EQUALITY.

Every single feminist I know really hates men.. bashes them all the time. They seem to forget they have fathers, brothers, relatives, friends, colleagues, etc., who are men...

yougurt · Answer

Because there are too many ignorant women out there that don't even know what feminism is and criticize it, not realising that they wouldn't have most of the rights they have today, if it wasn't for feminism is the past century.

Also bad, is seeing so many men against feminism, thinking that a man who says he's feminist is not manly and thinking feminist women hate men. Most women and especially most men don't realise that feminism empowers both genders by trying to eliminate ridiculous barriers and by doing so the whole society benefits.

Carley99 · Answer

I'm a liberal feminist and I can understand why there are so many people against this movement because there are a lot of psychos who've join movements or claim to be apart a certain religious groups just to give them and bad name then half of society will be against them.

itsaniaks · Answer

It's like apparent and actual depth of water. The actual depth of water is equality of men and women in all course. The apparent one is blaming men about everything which goes wrong in a woman's life and making numerous laws which hardly get to be practiced in real life. According to this phase of feminism, each man is a potential criminal. Here in India, it has become really hard for a guy to approach any girl. Even if it's for help, we have to be really attentive so that we don't get dragged into jail just by accidently touching a girl when a bus is turning. (this really happened) feminism is for equality, not for punishing men. Though this is not true for everyone, but as a guy, I've seen and gone through these things lately and felt that, a wrong idea of feminism is being spread across the country.

ClinesFan · Answer

Modern day feminism has absolutely strayed from its original cause. Most American women don’t agree with today’s feminism ideology simply because it is not about equality anymore. It’s more of an excuse for young college female women to treat men like absolute s**t and promote their own political views while doing so. Studies show that 1 and 5 women in America describe themselves as a feminist, however 80% believe there is equality between today, there is clearly a discrepancy. In my personal opinion, women actually have far more opportunity than men these days. The fact of the matter is that most of us millennials already believe in equality. I have no problem at all answering to a woman as my boss. In my opinion, I believe that most younger millennial guys feel the same way.

pierrot11 · Answer

Kinda surprised by the question. i definitely view myself as a feminist and I respect all those who fight for women's rights.. even some of the extreme ones. From my own personal view, some may look radical like the 'free the nipple' movement where girls walk in the streets naked. But for me, it's kinda beautiful that a girl can say she wants to walk naked and there'll be other girls agreeing to join her. Then the next day, they can go to work like normal. In my country, there's no way a girl can do that. So when I look at these incidences, I find it so empowering that it does exist, a country that allows women that much freedom. So I don't care what kind of hate or criticisms all feminists get, because there's always another woman, maybe halfway across the world, who finds what you do empowering.

Hidden_P · Answer

Feminist representivies aren’t looking for equality. They are looking for superiority.

I’ve said here time and time again - we shouldn’t be looking to be equal. We aren’t equal. Male and female aren’t the same. We should be seeking fairness.

When it comes to your list I frankly cba to answer because if you believe a male and a female can perform the same role to the same degree you are in a dream world.

nickyBBB · Answer

Because it's not needed anymore and feminists in the westren world are making fools out of themselevs.

Nivinxus · Answer

To sum it in one word, Disillusionment.

Would explain a lot why many would stave away from feminism.

Whether these issues exist or not to me is only part of it. I think some women are quite disappointed with the means 'feminists' employed for their goal.

Well it's interesting, the history of feminism as we know it is in a very crucial point. Will it break or will it not? Will it persevere or will it be twisted? Will it remain true or will it be corrupted?

I'm very excited to see where it will go because feminism seems to be the major social issue in the Western world.

Kitre · Answer

Let's make it short, most of our western society is equal, the inequality is minor and exists for both men and women in different parts (Mothers are preffered as caretakers for their children, Women are more expected to be stay at homes with children) those are inequalites but not really big ones, the real inequality happens in the middle east for example, there you have rape culture, inequality for women and the patriarchy, but instead of fighting that, feminists protect it and hate on the west for being against the real inequality.

Anonymous · Answer

Feminism in America is wrong and it's not femisims to be equal as man; by wearing treasures a black costume with a tie and look like Hillary Clinton No... being a feminist is being proud as A Women not reacting as a men you can be as you are sensitive maybe delicate maybe strong maybe weak well anything but not by growing mustaches and look like a men
That's not equality that's coping Men
Feminism movement doesn't make sense because they are doing something wrong they are not asking for equality but to basically be Men.

Ok let's solve it
I'm a women I identify myself creative sensitive I cry over cute cats I love dresses with Polka dots and I love heels. To feminist eyes this is low and so catty they want strong women and be independent but My Nigga this is who the fuck I am why would I be identical as a man grow mustaches and clone balls down my vagina when I am not! START A NEW MOVEMENT BY BEING WHO YOU ARE AND NOT COPING M E N

KDawgTheOG · Answer

Anti-feminists see the ugly truth in society and speak up. Most third-wave feminists are afraid of facts and put their feelings over it so that they can get what they want. In the end, no one is happy since it doesn’t change anything. Most feminists should instead do their research and look at all the facts before waving signs up into the air.

Anpu23 · Answer

I would direct you to Karen Straughan  a well known anti-feminist and Men's Rights activist for the answer to your question. Some people when they see injustices in the world, feel the need to correct them.

Anonymous · Answer

Yeah feminism movement need to rise. i have seen guys harassing their female colleagues in every possible way. i feel like one shouldn't expect the overnight change. it takes lots of time and it also depends on where the woman lives in. In India decade ago there were very less employment opportunities for woman but now as of survey reports 45 percent of employees are woman while it was 20 percent 10 years ago. so there is a clear indication of change. i don't think child care is a serious problem for woman. again here it depends upon the place where you live and your culture. In india if the woman is employees and has kids.. Then these kids are raised by their grandparents. all in all, one need a right guy to understand them and helps in every moment.

arshlx · Answer

There sure are more important issues related to inequality which need to be fixed... but problem is, feminism now is just about hypocricy and male bashing these days, nothing else
The rights which are earned by women are being misused to an intolerable extreme
Example, 52% of the rape cases registered at courts all over India are fake, and we're proven to be modes of money extortion and blackmail
So... that's the case
I feel feminists and feminism as a concept should be banned and thrown into the garbage can
Equalism makes more sense...
Where I can slap back a woman equally hard for slapping and embarrassing me in public, just coz she 'thought' that she got touched wrongly

Ottis · Answer

Third wave femanisim or modern day feminism has shown in their actions that they do not care for making women equal to men. They seem more interested in making men less then women. What they say they are for contradicts the actions the movement enacts. More than 50% of the women in unites States do not call themselves feminist because the movement has be come more; for lack of a better term, about man hating then it is about making both sexes equal. I am egalitarian I want equality for everyone and if you live in the United States than you have that.

DamnMan · Answer

" Feminism is a movement that is supposed to create equality in society between genders and intersections with race, "

No it wasn't. It was to give women more choices in life and equal opportunities. It started after WWII, when all the men went to war, only women were left to do the jobs men once did, and they liked it.
Afterwards, the men came back and women lost their jobs, but wanted to have the chance to work again.
And it worked, Feminism has given women the choice between career and family.

Today feminism seems to be more man hating than women liberating.
Those feminist sometimes attack other women, which is counter intuitive and nonsensical.

1960's feminism did its job and should be disbanded before assholes use its name to be assholes.

NoVo1245 · Answer

The wage gap is bullshit and was debunked already. it all comes up to men working riskier jobs (construction workers etc) more than women and that men are more willing to work overtime... and those just were two reasons why it is not existing...

but still there indeed are some problems there overall...

LoserGuy555 · Answer

... Sometimes I think this feminism thing stems from an irrational fear men. Particularly, stranger danger.

"Watch out for the rogue in the woods who will kidnap and steal your innocence."

On the other hand, there is the domineering type of woman who is just full of hatred and seeks power who may be attracted to such views.

... and then you have your promiscuous type who is no longer happy with who she married and feels "trapped" but wants his money, and to be a promiscuous because she thinks there is something more to be found..."The grass is greener" type.

This is what I have found to be feminism...

Naturally, I'd prefer to not think about such views :(

GothAncap · Answer

Even the name implies they're promoting superiority, not equality

Ariel1990 · Answer

because feminsist are killing beauty.. they say to be fat... and its ok for them.. we girls love being nce looking

TheFlak38 · Answer

Feminism is a sick, twisted movement to hate on men and destroy the concept of family. From the beginning that was the purpose of the movement and every feminist manifesto admits it. It is communism reincarnated. Instead of proletarians you have women. And instead of bourgeois you have evil white men. Yes I said WHITE men because feminists have a problem only with white men. Non-White men can be as oppressive as they want and feminists will love them. Like the muslims in Cologne who raped them and the next day feminists gave them flowers to show them their love. Only the dumbest of the dumb believe that feminism is for equality which is another marxist fairy tale.

BraveHeart97 · Answer

Feminism has done nothing but divided the genders over the course of the years since it's existence. Wage gap is a myth and lol "lack of employment opportunities"? Women are usually the ones who get hired because workplaces are too afraid to be seen as "sexist". Feminism taught women that they were superior to men and that they were oppressed. Therefore, it was justified to exploit us and treat us as worker drones. Sounds more like nazis to me instead of a group that is supposing to be striving for equality. Feminism created a generation of narcisstic women who abused the system that were given to them. Who were the victims? the men who were far from misogynistic or rapists. Feminism also broke up the family unit and drove men from the home. The women who refuse to take part of a group, I applaud for they realized what true equality means. It is them and us who'll unite the genders. Not feminists.

macix670 · Answer

Because I am a traditional conservative woman and feminists are usually against me because I don't support LGBT, promiscuity, single parenthood and lack of morals. I can't identify with such a movement.

sheri-lynn69 · Answer

Because most feminists are nasty, they want equal rights but cry about men not holding doors open anymore. They want equal pay but anything labourous and they can't do it. Being equal=treat men the way you want to be treated.

Belgie · Answer

Because they KNOW what feminism actually stands for, and they aren't naive teenagers clinging to their dictionaries.

Maybe some of them have actual experience with feminists.

Maybe some of them have male friends or family who have been crushed and trodden on by feminists.

In any case, do not mistake them for oppression loving servile women who do not want equality. I'm sure they do want equality.

That's why they are not feminists. That's why they despise feminism.

Kayla45 · Answer

I'm not anti feminist, I'm just against the feminist extremists who are pushing for more than equality..

Cosytoasty · Answer

I'm going to say that the extremists have over-milked it. My fiance has an amazing job she's in charge of a team of roughly 50 people and reports directly to the top... she has been afforded (and taken) every opportunity her work ethic and skills have merited. She's a firm believer that life is what you make of it.

Anonymous · Answer

No woman in my country is a feminist... Thank fucking GOD.

Guess what. Here men and women get along really good and women hold power positions, own business, out perform men in school and they are heavily represented in STEM. So you don't have to be a feminist to actually succeed in life. Oh and guess what WE celebrated International Mens day and not one threw a fit... you know why? Because feminism is very anti-male and here men and women love and respect each other.

My sisters laugh at you feminist for being annoying and playing the victim card all the time. lol

Phoenix98 · Answer

Because western feminism is a joke and a unmitigated disaster it's a supremacy group, full of toxic individuals who want to impose their views on everyone else.

It's sad that you even need to ask that question because it shows a great amount ignorance on the subject itself.

Edanurus · Answer

Feminism is based on the idea that men have oppressed women throughout history, that shows either malice, complacency or ignorance all which are pretty anti men in my opinion, I don't see how you can be anything other if you believe feminist theory.

The problem with feminism you displayed in the question when you mentioned child care. Up until the 19th century the children stayed with the father because they were responsible for them. The idea that women are better care givers comes from tender years doctrine, not patriarchy. With that it gave women the privilege of living with their kids while leaving the responsibility of paying for them with men, that's advocating for women's rights but it's not equality.

Cxysae · Answer

It's not. The concepts are great but it's deviated to far from that. A lot of the time it has become picking the pros of being male, but not taking the cons if you will. Gender equality means taking the nitty gritty stuff too. Most feminists have never thought of taking the nitty gritty. It's those people who make feminism seem really self centered and stupid.

grega239 · Answer

Bcs feminism is a supremacy movement... tje wage gap doeant exist u make as much as u EARN, lack of unemployemnt is the reault of feminists graduating in genders studies which is useless, objectification goes both ways since many women seem to like stuff like magic mike type of stuff, childcare is seen as a womans jib bcs it has been that way since forever in most abimal species on the world ever... political representation? The UK has a WOMENS and equality committee which make no sense. men are more often victims of violence bcs guess what, men fight each other more than they fight women. men die at their workplace more often, they commit suicide more often women get less prison time for the same crime. and guess what else if a woman gives birth the father is expected to take care of her and the child even if the mother denies him access to said child by legal means and as all feminists u can't point out a right that men have and women dont

chan310 · Answer

Initial Feminism was for equal rights... Feminism now is to destroy men... man haters=Feminist, over concern on women made many harsh and stupid laws accross the world the literally kill men legally. In present day, any women who doesn't deserve a promotion or job uses Feminism and Portrays it as Inequality but it was infact an individual eligibility.. If u think women are strong, then protect ur self and growpup.. if u think u r weak... then admit it.. if u think u r equal, then why u need special treatment? A women with potential in her cannot be stopped, she will reach the top and the stupid women thinks of feminism.

ihsanhalit2222 · Answer

Women are already equal to men maybe even better then men after all my peoples laws do not restrict women women have more laws then men in my country cause we respect women and we put women at a high level cause after all they took care of us our mothers and mothers are what makes a family.

None999am · Answer

People don’t hate feminism. I think people don’t like rabid feminists who get all the attention in the media so feminism becomes associated with extremism. Also, on a different note, the gender wage gap is something of a myth. A recent study in the Economist shows that women and men working at the same company in the same job get paid the same amount. However, when women have children, they spend less time at work and more time at home, so they’re paid less for working less hours. So women and men are treated equally when it comes to wages (but harassment and the other stuff you mentioned are still issues).

Anonymous · Answer

What makes me think that feminism is anti-men, rather than just pro-women? Seriously? Do you live on a different planet?

I am dumbfounded at how many women seem totally oblivious to the experiences men have on a daily basis with feminism that have turned us against the movement. It truly baffles me how you can be so blind to what the other half of the population experiences.

But I suppose I should not be surprised by that blindness coming from someone who believes women in the western world face disproportionate challenges and disadvantages as compared to men. I think one must have to experience the world through very gynocentric lenses to actually believe that.

azzntittiz · Answer

Leave them alone, we don't want those women faking their concern for women's rights anyway, they are a burden. Just a bunch of women who really have no vision and lack substance, they need men for validation and are traitors for a reason, they envy valuable women, leave them to kiss men's ass.

Anonymous · Answer

"a movement that is supposed to create equality in society between genders and intersections with race, to create a society where we can all take advantage of the same rights and strive at the same pace. "

This sounds startling close to the "White Man's Burden" mentality (if you don't know what that is it's a super racist mentality during imperialism era in the U. S. and England). That's why so many people even those that are liberal hate feminism. You don't get to proclaim yourself as the destroyers of racism (feminism in many cases actually just perpetuates racism) nor do you get to declare yourselves as the bastions of defeating sexism. This pretentious self-righteous attitude feminists have is why the movement isn't gaining traction.

SlavicAmericanGuy · Answer

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you".

This quote from Friedrich Nietzsche explains why people take feminism with a grain of salt. Most feminists, the hypocritical or radical ones, ended up becoming as much hateful as the mysogynists. Man-bashing puts the entire movement in a bad light.

dionnexxx · Answer

I believe that feminism gets confused and mistaken for putting women up neglecting men pushing them down compared to the true definistion of equality where both are the same.. My view on equality is that it should be based not on a generalisation of gender but the individuals.

Names93 · Answer

I'm all for equal rights but I think a lot of 'feminists' have lost sight of why they should be a feminist.

Talk to me about how horrible actual rapists are, about how bad the pay gap is, but blaming men for literally everything is not what being a feminist should be about, however is the case.

MayBlythe · Answer

Feminism is not about gender equality its about female supremacy and trying to turn a non-existent patriarchy into a matriarchy, I'm anti-feminist because if you want true gender equality then you wouldn't be a feminist you would be an equalist

Maxemeister · Answer

Feminism needs a better PR team. I've said this before and I'll say it again. It was founded with amazing intentions and was corrupted the second that mainstream feminists failed to condemn radical feminazis, who alienated men and dissenting women, they accepted these feminazis who shut down conversations. Feminists need a centralized structure. People hate radicals and until feminists can separate themselves from these radicals I cannot support them

Browneye57 · Answer

The FI has made it clear that men are unneeded in society, that they are all neanderthal rapists, and that not even children need a dad.

No, there's nothing 'equality' about third wave feminism - it's a load of you know what. They want to push men out of the picture.

What is funny is they're all "I can do it all without a man" 'till their plumbing breaks or their roof leaks or their car quits. Then they need a man to fix it. [shrug]

Justacatlady · Answer

I think like most things that get popular, the false facts start to become true and also there are those people who get fanatical about it. When that happens many people start to shy away from it. They don't want to get wrapped up in all the "drama".
I consider myself a feminist. I try to empower the women in my life. I have had people make fun of me for saying I am a feminist. Which kinda blows my mind since it was a woman who was putting me down.

chris1984 · Answer

depends on who you talk to. there are feminists who villify "all men" into some kind of powerful, cruel and domineering force. it simply can't be generalised like that. THOSE feminists appear anti-men to men.

in regards to the rest of the question, feminism has become a very popular and volatile conversation piece. since this place asks male and female opinions, its expected that feminists would find it a good place to vocalise their opinions/concerns.

Intraluminal · Answer

Forgive me, but even the name "Feminism" argues against the movement's *recent* claim that it seems equality for everyone. It's kind of like if the KKK changed it's mission statement, but not it's name. It wouldn't be very convincing even if it were true.

ronaldo75 · Answer

Most women I've met who are anti-feminists are tough successful women who think women should push and truck along just like men do instead of crying and playing into all this trite goofy "girl power " "all women have been raped" "give me a job because in a girl" nonsense of the past 5 years

Anonymous · Answer

Personally, I can’t stand the way feminism has been commercialized by people like Lena Dunham in the past years. That’s not feminism it’s just a trend and a lot of girls I know who are calling themselves feminists are following this trend, not being real feminists. Or have been rejected by their crush and are in a period of man hate.

NoSoyInMyBloodstream · Answer

I feel like as time's gone on feminism is being needed less and less in the western world so to drum up more interest they start making outrageous claims etc. Feminism is needed in countries under Sharia law and the like. More women noticing that new wave feminism is dumb and unneeded is a good thing in my opinion. Also I don't know about you guys but the anti feminist girls tend to be the best looking. *hot take*

yum1i · Answer

Limor Fried, Marissa Mayer, the kind of feminism i accept. Those who do not complain about men, but work for what they deserve.
Not your extreme feminist who is complaining about the lack of women choice in Battlefield 1... (Not kidding you can go look for it)(and yeah they are stupid, the compain mode has an entire chapter about a woman)

lovelyhoneybones · Answer

Feminism is dumb and backed by false information, that's why.

Anonymous · Answer

''Feminism is a movement that is supposed to create equality in society between genders ''

CandacePerry · Answer

There more then just man and woman who needs equal rights. Learning disabilities have a right as well it not fair for people with learning disabilities. They should start to fosed on more important things then just man and woman.

Kuraj · Answer

A movement that only focuses on one side of the coin and only on issues that would be beneficial to the members of the movement itself is inherently hypocritical, misguided and anti-egalitarian.

Assuming any of the movements claims are in any way objective and demonstrably truthful in the first place. (since a lot them aren't)

HamAndCheese · Answer

What something is intended to do is not always what it ends up becoming. Marxist-Leninism was supposed to save the lower classes from enslavement, instead it killed 80-100 million people. Feminism, while not that extreme seems less about actual equality than it does, "equality." Feminists fight long and hard for equality where women would benefit, but they never seem to show much concern for facets of life where women have a leg up over men.

cinderelli · Answer

I believe in equal rights and opportunity but feminism in USA is predominantly associated with feminazism now.. so I don't want any part of that bullshit

DesiBeautyLover · Answer

Because Femmanism is not what it used to be. It's no longer about equal rights, it's about hating men and villainizing men for being gentlemen. Today's femmanists would rather be treated as a man than as a lady

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