I recently read articles about people saying she's overrated. Want to hear your opinions on it. Just asked a very random question because I'm bored and needed a discussion. Please explain WHY. Elaborated answers appreciated! #Malala#NobelPrize#Activist
PS! I'm disagree with they who says so. I do understand it exist activists who are underrated, but that don't mean they who aren't have to be overrated.
My opinion: I'm disagree with they who says she's overrated. I do understand it exist activists who are underrated, but that don't mean they who aren't have to be overrated.
Of course she isn't overrated. She was speaking out against the Taliban and other extremist Muslims groups while most teenagers were worrying about their instagram pages. She is just incredible. And if the human race is going to survive, we are going to need to produce more young folks like her.
I would like to hear exactly what the argument against her advocacy is.
How many of us, would speak out in support of freedom and justice, knowing full well that many different groups would try to kill us? Then on top of that having to live our life in exile from our nation of birth, still having to be on guard against assassination attempts?
10.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
i think she is quite admirable. not overrated at all. she comes from a place where speaking her mind literally can cost you your life. most of us live in places where we can say what we want and we sit and bitch on computers. she risked life and limb and not only risked but has achieved a great deal as well
She is not overrated.. have you read what she went through and how she survived (she was shit in the head for god sake) and wrote her book. Most of GAG here saying yes she is overrated or there are many girls like her in the world oh dear please read a book or something read HER book if you can. At such a young age she published a book and achieved so much even though she suffered a Lot.. and what did you do? You are living a peaceful life watching how people suffer from the TV and say there are many like her out there. Shame on you disgrace of our humanity. Because of her many girls can take courage and say YES I CAN BE FREE but what do you say? YES I CAN EAT THAT DONUTS.. I feel sad for us
She stood up to the taliban... got shot... then continued to fight for women's rights... no one is perfect but that definitely sounds like someone who did something incredible. Who tf is the idiot who called her "overrated". I wonder if they have stood up to the taliban too.
Of course she's overrated, she is purposely ushered in front of the cameras by the liberal media due to her being Muslim. She's a child who has been in the UK for five minutes and is everywhere you turn, opening new buildings and events, given free education that indigenous kids are paying tens of thousands for. I can name you people in my local community who have done a hell of a lot more than she will ever archive yet will never get a mention. They will say this average girl is a champion for freedom and women's rights but will never go as far as to say what supressed those freedoms and women rights, instead liberals will jump into bed with them. The media will never go as far as to say why she is homeless and who's tax money boned the shit out of her homeland. It's all liberal hypocrisy and topsy turvy cultural Marxism. She's no one, says nothing that the avege Joe doesn't think anyway, it's bullshit idol worship. There are women in appalling conditions sitting in prisons all over the Muslim world yet we can't help ourselves do arms deals with them. Yet champion this child for speaking out. It's grotesque hypocrisy.
But but but muh islam is peace... God i hate people who don't see the truth when its right in front of them. I have nothing against opposing views, but if they are proven to be wrong yet people choose to ignore it, I can't help but think they are stubborn idiots
Again, no one with above a double-digit IQ is going to take you seriously if you toss stuff like that in there. If you want people to actually listen to you, rewrite.
Cultural Marxism is rife. It's everywhere to see and it's grotesquely obvious but for your fragile mind it can't be addressed, further just skipped over and if your unwilling to skip over it then your iq is single digit and your a dumb ass. You my child sound extremely narrow minded and juvenile. The original post asked for an in depth response with a mature critique. This is what I gave. You on the other hand have offered mud slinging. I wish you well.
Yet you've still not offered any counter argument to show how I'm an idiot or brick wall. You haven't even engaged me come to think of it. I've heard nothing with any substance, just some how attempted to take some form of moral high ground with butt hurt name calling. Your embarrassing.
First and foremost, she promotes hatred of Pakistan in the west. That is the easiest way for any Pakistani to get recognition in the west. Secondly, I believe that the above is the ONLY reason anyone in the west knows her but you can dare to jail Abdul Sattar Edhi. The real Santa Claus of the poor in Pakistan. Our Mullahs may throw many absurd allegations against the US but this one I believe to be true. No matter how liberal you are, you at some level, WANT to hate on all non-Western countries. You can even see this in how you treat Russia and China. Democrats are literally Communist-lite and they seem to have more hate for Putin AND Ping than even Republicans. You love the fantasy of the backwards non-Western country and you love to point and laugh. Malala gave you that while Edhi and every Pakistani who donated to him did the opposite. Edhi Foundation is THE largest private charity organization IN THE WORLD. It is the only one WITHOUT A POLITICAL AGENDA. It doesn't even seek to promote Islam or even Pakistan. Education is available to anyone rich enough in Pakistan to the point that there is a huge lack of male doctors in Pakistan. The gender ratio in a medical college in Pakistan is like that in a home economics or gender studies class in the US. But again, this is all for those who can afford it. Rich vs Poor is the issue not gender. Edhi Sahib tackled that problem. by the way, he even had battered women's shelters, old folks homes, a place to put abandoned babies, even places for animals. All that and he never received any award and most of you Americans don't even know his name. www.google.com/.../abdul-sattar-edhis-89th-birthday
Where tf does your article come from? What kinda bs is that?
Coming from a similar background, as an Afghan, I grew up listening to stories of what the talibans did to our communities and lives.
The fear and oppression, the killing and the bombings, you have no clue what it is to actually even SPEAK to talibans.
If a woman even raised her voice to a taliban, she'd be dead.
The media made her a sort of heroic celebrity, made her the cover of so many magazines and journals and now they are wondering if Malala is overrated?
That is plain bullshit.
Malala is a fucking hero for simply persevering in what she believes in, and it isn't BECAUSE she got shot, but IN SPITE of getting shot, she kept on going.
My daughters best friends mother is from Afghanistan and she once told me that she wished she was born in Australia where she now. I've never asked her what it was like living there.
I honestly hadn't heard of her before this question so I wouldn't say she's overrated at all. After a brief Google search, she seems like a very amazing and inspirational person. Standing up against the Taliban and speaking up for your rights as well as the rights of others takes an immense amount of courage. We need more leaders and role models like that.
Omg. I dont know how anyone can say she is overrated! What she has overcome at her age? Maybe they need to be shot and see if they could live to talk about it! (Just saying that as perspective-I wish no harm on anyone) I think she is fierce and a strong leader of today and tomorrow.
She is overrated because you only know about her due to how she helps you westerners build a bad narrative about Pakistan, something you seek to do for EVERY non-western country. Look at my opinion for details. Also, she wasn't the only student shot by Taliban, look up the Army Public School attack and how, right after this, the Pakistani army and politicians kicked into high gear and cleared out vast Taliban strongholds. Lastly, here is something Western TV will never cover but both Al Jezera and Ruptly covered it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CBOUpqTNWk
1. Not all of us are against every western country. You don't want to be lumped together with the bad shit than don't do it to us. I just have a problem with any organization that kills to get what it wants, and yeah that includes my own fucking country. But to downplay what this girl went through just because it happens to other people over there, to me, is quite evil and despicable. Do not, for one second, presume to think you know me or that you are capable of swaying my opinion on this. This one thing I stand firmly on, and if you disagree, great. Don't really care.
Why is it so hard to grasp a complex opinion? I am using a collective "you" as in a westerner like the ones running CNN, MSNBC and FOX, separate from "me" a patriotic Pakistani whose beloved country is affected by the views they spread to "you" as a western citizen. Even the two liberal western channels I mentioned would never show Master Ayub, Abdul Sattar Edhi or talk about the victims and heroes of the Army Public School attack by the Taliban. Unlike Malala, none of the surviving children got a Nobel Prize and none of them got to study in the UK for free.
I think she has been infused with a Nobel prize at quite a young age... though she doesn't understand the importance of it... though she did a brave job standing for right s of school girl... But where it happened and the way it was highlighted... She became famous... there are a lot of other women like her in the se region who fight for their rights... And all around the world , women stand up to abuses and overcome their situation... also... she was picked up and resettled , but the other women still remain there... also she has used the opportunity to mix in the western world and live a cosy life... that she won't have dreamt before... My thoughts
Um, she's only overrated if fighting and devoting her entire life to the causes of peace and education are somehow overrated. In other words, no, she is not overrated-- quite the opposite. She represents some of humanity's best ideals. That's not to say she's infallible or above any sort of criticism, but she is amazing from what I've seen. The girl got fucking SHOT IN THE HEAD by a Taliban coward, and rather than wishing her attacker was killed himself, she wished him peace.
Yes. Because anyone who will willingingly face death on behalf of her beliefs must be very brave. She showed maturity and certainty in what she believed and stood up for, in a way that many people never encounter in their entire life. What she did cannot be underestimated.
She is a true hero, survived an assassination attempt, for doing what women in her country are not allowed to do, stand up for her beliefs and for her desire to be an educated person. She is my role model. She is the only person I have ever called a Role Model.
She got shot point blank in her head trying to get the right of education for women and survived. She spoke up for women against the Taliban. More people should want to be like her. More people should know her story. She’s definitely underrated.
is she tho, would she be less rated if she didn't get shot? should the fact that she spesifically got shot be the reason to her greatness, if so, think of the thousands of Americans who speak up for various rights and get shot by other Americans, or police... or the people in Africa who live in equally poor conditions who speak up, and nothing gets done about them, so no one hears their voice...
u can say what if she wasnt? but she was shot and that makes it even more heroic. naturally people r more inclined to survive and remove themselves from danger she faced it and still continued at such a young age and continues to do great things. she deserves every bit of attention for her selfless work
@vannanas No but the shot to her head should’ve killed her. But it didn’t. And most people after a near death experience would be scared and stop speaking out. She didn’t. She is still using her voice. She is so much braver than I am or will ever be. & I am not trying to discredit others who have stood up, but the difference is that she has become known for standing up and being brave. And her platform has made it easier for her to speak out against the Taliban, but also more difficult because all eyes are on her and everyone is judging her for what she does or doesn’t do.
and just because others dont have a voice doesn't mean she can't have one. if u care so much about other americands and Africans do something sbout it instead of using it to shut others down. have u something that would give them a platform? please tell me all the work youve done?
@Ahsthen I'm not saying that I'm a saint, I'm just saying she gets a whole lot of credit that other people who have done close to the same thing (apart from getting shot), have not been heard, and I just think that circumstances outside of a persons hands, should not be the sole reason for their fame... I clearly stepped on some toes here, for that I'm sorry
what I'm trying to say, is that I don't see her as underrated. she has been given prizes and meetings for what she did, and is working with a whole lot of people to solve the problems, stuff may be having a slow pregress, but that is the world for you
Not really. In fact, I had to read the question and the answers to remember who she is. Now, I do remember, she's the girl that survived being shot at for standing up for her beliefs. I say she's got balls for doing that.
I don't normally go in for female chauvinism, but I respect this girl for standing up for what she thinks is right, especially when the odds are stacked against her. And for standing off against her rivals and coming out of it smelling of roses, so to speak.
In short, no, I don't think she's over-rated. I think people tend to forget about her because the news isn't focused on her individual story. Malala isn't flavour of the month any more. That's all the media really give two hoots about.
No, she is more gangster than most if not all rappers today combined. She took a bullet in the head from terrorists for supporting girls' right to an education and after recovering became "the leader" raising awareness for girls along with women worldwide.
No one hears me out, i survived war, terrorists and blood baths.. It's just luck that people noticed her. There is literally millions of kids that has worse live that Malala and people just ignoring it. Try to be a christian in a muslim country, i know how it feels, i do have scars because of it, does anyone care? does anyone wants to hear my story? The answer is no, no one wants to hear that shit.
This is exactly why I think she is overrated. People have it worse than her, does that mean they are suddenly heard? Nope. Take those children in the US too, they survived a school schooting and now they're acting as though they're gun experts. I get why they want them banned, but experiencing something doesn't make you an expert on the situation.
She masquerades as some enlightened figure when in reality she's just an apologist for the violent nature of Islam:
"The more you speak about Islam and against all Muslims, the more terrorists we create"
So, in other words, don't criticise Islam or we'll kill you. Islam is not above criticism and if criticising Islam creates terrorists, she's proving the critics point. Fuck her.
By placating a religion that enforces the execution of degenerates and the subjugation of half of the population of our species? Damn right I will fight against that kind of peace. If being controlled by a totalitarian ideology means peace, I'll fight
Control has always existed, and some of it comes in the form of Islam; here in the States it comes in the form of materialism and money. Is Malala being "controlled?" She spends her time and life arguing *against* the very control you're speaking of, and she does it as a female, while wearing a hijab. How is she being oppressed by Islam? Have you read the Quran? I sure haven't, but The Bible says a lot of jazz about subjugation as well, and supposedly "Christian" nations don't have policies that enforce female domination.
I think you're arguing more of a cultural problem, one of ignorance, rather than a religious problem.
Can you seriously say that some crazies here in the States don't try to use violence or intimidation if someone questions Christianity? It's far less pervasive, but that's only NOW. In times past, it could be legitimately dangerous for a person to speak out against the Church. Where's the peace in that? It seems you're laying blame solely on Islam, and the problems are much, much deeper and wider than that in scope.
She took the bullet to fight for her right to education. She straight away told Obama on the face to stop drone strikes in Pakistan. Her foundation Malala Funds works to educate girl child across the world. She is not only the strong advocate of right to education and woman's rights but also changing the lives of many girls child for REAL. Overrated my ass!
I’m not really familiar with her as an advocate for women’s rights overall. However, when we pin the label “brave” onto a bunch of kids who took a 17 minute break from class to protest against or for any number of gun control or socIan justice issues. I think it’s shameful to say this lady is overrated.
You wanna know a little bit about courage? This gal is a fair example.
Brave would be the kids who are continuing to fight against an organization that has no compassion to the fact that children are dying in schools. These same kids getting death threats, dealing with the loss of 17 oc their classmates, and still showing up for school for exams. I cannot believe you make light of that, but hey, to each his own.
@Tiffers2154 Your first sentence is a flat out lie. Everything after that you conflate my words to say that I claimed the 17 kids and their immediate classmates were never t brave. That is also a lie.
But hey, if you are so emotional that you can’t strain fact from fiction, be my guest to shoot your mouth off.
You just contradicted yourself. Maybe you should re-read what you wrote. Personally, I couldnt care less. Ignorance is usually bliss to those who continue to live by it.
@Izumiblu actually, you might want to read it again. @Tiffers2154 is right. There is actually something wrong in that sentence. It sounds like your mocking those children. And it's confusing because it ends abruptly. So you might want to check that out.
Since you are saying it with some respect and questioning it. The words are very specific. I did not say, “kids that were victims of the shooting or their classmAtes who are choosing to use this moment as a stage in front of the world to send their message are not brave” , I said specifically that kids that are taking 17 minutes from the classroom to parrot any number of issues from gun control to racism to gay rights are not brave. Those two groups of kids are very different groups. I personally think it’s completely disrespectful the way these different groups have latched into this moment to advance their own cause as though they speak on behalf of those 17 kids that were killed. Further the notion that someone doing something good automatically makes them brave is a falsehood. Maybe they are dedicated hardworking thoughtful, all good things. But not by necessity brave.
Further, the notion that someone supports the 2nd amendment is without compassion or is complicit in child murder is simply a lie from people that will sell their emotions and principles to the quickest most emotionally satisfying end.
When it comes right down to it my comparison was very simple, take a look at what Malala has been through and continued her journey and compare it to what a random kid who may be rightfully concerned about her future in America and took 17 minutes to be one of 100s of thousands. Not that the kid is wrong, just compare the two and you will see what brave is.
@Izumiblu you have an extremely valid point there. It hurts so happens to be that I thought that you were referring to those very same children at the shooting. I'm not sure about @Tiffers2154 but that's what I assumed that you were talking about. Although I wouldn't exactly call the rest of the students brave per se ( the other ones) they definitely are trying to get their causes ahead and that is admirable.
Her comments started with, these kids are facing an organization with no compassion. This belies her motivation for the post. It’s a blatant lie that is an indefensible hypocritical statement. I can answer to and discuss my wording to anyone that wants to actually talk.
"Perhaps no other lobbying organization has seen such a striking political turnaround as the National Rifle Association. First granted a charter in 1871[... required] permits, adding time to gun-crime sentences, waiting periods, and outlawing non-citizen ownership.[...] in May 1977 [Harlon B. Carter] and a small group of likeminded employees who had also been let go hijacked the annual meeting and reconfigured the agenda.
"Carter became the NRA’s Executive Director, changing the culture and direction of the organization drastically and cementing its dedication to “protecting the Second Amendment.” This telling article shows the deep divide within the Association, describing Carter and his group, which came to be known as “the Federation,” as “the most extreme of the extremists” who left no room for argument, discussion or disagreement”
@goaded and yet you have made no case showing that as a whole the people of the nra which make up the organization lack compassion for children.
It’s a lie. There are so many ways that standard can be turned against nearly every single adult in America. It only depends on the politically opportune moment.
No, the members of the NRA do care about children, it's the leadership that doesn't.
"Polling showed that even nearly 74 percent of NRA members support requiring background checks for all gun sales." www.politifact.com/.../
"Polls have consistently showed broad support for a universal background check. National polls in 2016 and 2017 found between 84 and 94 percent of respondents supported background checks. But what about NRA members? [...]"
"For the 196 who said they were NRA members, the poll showed that 72 percent supported background checks.
The margin of error for the NRA sample is 7 percentage points, said Jim Williams, an analyst for Public Policy Polling.
"Given that the support for background checks among the NRA subsample is so overwhelming, it’s still far outside the margin of error for that subset," he said."
1) supporters of the 2nd amendment don’t care about children 2). This is true because if they did they would support (gun bans/insert policy of choice here) because if there were no guns (or if we had x policy) no children would die 3). No life of any single child is worth your desire to keep guns 4). If you were compassionate and caring you would accept these obvious truths and fix the problems we already know to be true (see 1-3 above) 5). Since you don’t agree the only possible alternative is that you are morally compromised and thus you are the problem
It’s a straw man argument that can be applied to most any activity of political interest
1) supporters of the consumption of alcoholic beverages don’t care about children 2). This is true because if they did they would support (alcohol prohibition/insert policy of choice here) because if there were no alcohol (or if we had x policy) no children would die from alcohol related incidents 3). No life of any single child is worth your desire to consume alcohol 4). If you were compassionate and caring you would accept these obvious truths and fix the problems we already know to be true (see 1-3 above) 5). Since you don’t agree the only possible alternative is that you are morally compromised and thus you are the problem
I can even apply this logic to recreational swimming.
It’s a convenient fallacy for a politically opportune moment.
The entire purpose of the argument is to undermine the opposing argument on the supposed moral integrity of the opposite side. It isn’t actually about policy at all. Any time I can connect the loss of a life or even the risk of a loss of life even indirectly to the other side I can shoot for moral high ground and avoid difficult policy decisions and discussions.
"Here’s your argument: 1) supporters of the 2nd amendment don’t care about children "
Nope. My argument is that even a majority of second amendment supporters support requiring background checks for all gun sales (as shown by polls), and a vast majority of non-NRA members do, too.
@goaded well, just like I said, because you don’t agree with the perception you have of nra’s policy you have ascribed it to purposeful maliciousness. See step 2 ( insert policy choice here). . Now if you wanted you could go look up theNRA’s General policy approach and the reasoning and statistics behind it, and it all makes quite a bit of sense. Now, you may still choose to disagree with their position, but the fact you immediately jump to say it’s because they don’t care about children being murderers says a lot about your motivations. (See straw man argument above).
Further the NRA isn’t a democracy it’s a political action committee so polling a bunch of people as a means of policy development is pretty ineffective. This is why they have legal, demographic and communications people working full time to develop and enhance their policies. There is actually good reasoning behind it. You disagreeing with them doesn’t make them child murderers.
I won't repeat it here but look at my opinion and other comment. There are ulterior reasons you know her by name but can't name a single survivor of the Army Public School attack and don't know the name Abdul Sattar Edhi and will probably never hear of Master Ayub. No one said she didn't do a great thing but the word "overrated" is apt because you don't know those other people and even liberal CNN and MSNBC won't tell you about them.
This is true, but it does claim on a regular basis to represent their members, when they clearly don't, at least on that issue.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1300512 "A majority of members of the National Rifle Association (NRA) supported many [gun control] policies as well. For instance, 84% of gun-owners and 74% of NRA members (vs. 90% of non–gun-owners) supported requiring a universal background-check system for all gun sales; 76% of gun-owners and 62% of NRA members (vs. 83% of non–gun-owners) supported prohibiting gun ownership for 10 years after a person has been convicted of violating a domestic-violence restraining order; and 71% of gun-owners and 70% of NRA members (vs. 78% of non–gun-owners) supported requiring a mandatory minimum sentence of 2 years in prison for a person convicted of selling a gun to someone who cannot legally have a gun."
@goaded representation of members does not mean they do everything it’s members say.
And of course they represent their members, this is why they have a growing membership that pay membership fees and contribute To the nra efforts. This is inherently obvious to even the most casual observer. If members felt they weren’t being represented they wouldn’t give them their money.
It’s also inherently obvious that not all members of the nra will agree on every topic.
None of these things have anything to do with a feeling of compassion.
Your entire argument is pretty much like I’ve said. I don’t like their policy, it doesn’t agree with my world view, therefore it must be about not caring for children. So now they are evil people, bogeymen in suits and since all of their members follow them and give them money , well there’s only two ways to explain that. They are either lacking compassion or they’re just stupid sheeple that are being victimized by the evil bogeymen in suits.
I don't think she's overrated, she took a bullet to the head (as a child) for not stepping down from what she believed in. That's pretty awesome. Also, I 100% support her promotion of women's education. Knowledge is power and refusing women the opportunity to learn is all about removing their power. o
I don't think she's overrated. What she was doing was brave and she's clearly a very intelligent girl who tries to use whatever influence she has to improve the quality of life for others. I also know some people who go to university with her and she seems like a lovely person, no one has had a bad word to say about her.
Calling her "overated" is not about her but about how she is being used by the west to defame Pakistan and the fact that you don't hear the achievements of other Pakistanis who did more against the Taliban AND for education. Look up my opinion on this thread for details.
I get the impression there are two extremes... the people who know about her and believe she's just the greatest social justice warrior for women who has ever lived... and the people like me who have heard the name maybe twice and have forgotten about her each time.
Most Helpful Opinions