Isn't it shameful that Queen Elizabeth's wears world's largest diamond Kohinoor on her crown which British actually stole from India?

[AkshiJanjua]

and also pls watch this video

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if any Indian visit Britain just to see that Kohinoor Diamond, they charge 60 Pounds😂

[TripleAce]

They are a waste of space, tax payers fund them... and they live a royal life on the backs of others...
This type of segregation should be abolished now... otherwise this family will continue to steal money from people for centuries until something changes

[Cammy137]

Almost everything about the Royal Family is shameful! The sooner its abolished, the better!!

[menina]

It is shameful and it doesn't surprise me. The UK and all the European countries that had "colonies" stole a lot of things and they're still stealing...

[AkshiJanjua]

thank you for acknowledging this fact

[menina]

You're welcome. I'm aware of these things, since I come from a country that was also stolen.

[AkshiJanjua]

yes world ignores wrongs done to Indians and Africans

[menina]

That's true. I guess they will never acknowledge what they did to us.

[menina]

Thanks for the MHO. :)

[Shuri]

Welcome to white European culture. They steal from others, claim it as theirs, and then get mad when you bring it up.

[AkshiJanjua]

so true 😂

[nightdrot]

Oh good grief. History is replete with such episodes and, in any case, it is not as if regaining the diamond would materially improve India nor redress its problems.

Still, there is that famous quote by Charles James Napier to the Hindu priests complaining to him about the prohibition of Sati religious funeral practice of burning widows alive on her husband’s funeral pyre.

To wit: “Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."

So perhaps India would do best to call it even. HM the Queen gets a diamond in the Crown, and countless Indian widows were spared the funeral pyre.

[AkshiJanjua]

lol what about 2000 people that were shot dead by General Dyer in Jallianwala Bagh

i thought old people had some brain

[nightdrot]

Yes, well, there has never been any Indian on Indian violence throughout the country.'s long history, now has there been? In fact, how did we get an India and a Pakistan, again? Still cheery good friends, too.

Seriously, you are stuck in infinite regress. The search for a pristine society or country born in sweet innocence and peace will get you nowhere. "You cannot make straight the crooked timber of humanity," as the poet said.

Imperfect human beings - and the society's they produce - don't work that way. They haven't. See also India's very bloody pre-British history - which after all is how the British were able to establish the Raj - and they don't - which helps explains India's current hideous spasm of rape and violence against women.

It is a pity, but such are the ways of human affairs and to seek redress for it is not apt to get you very far. For each crime the British perpetrated - it not being so seen at the time - you will find a litany of crimes by India's various princes before that - and so on.

Besides, India owes its status as the world's most populous democracy, with all its virtues and all its vices, to the legacy of the British parliamentary system. There are no unmixed blessings in human affairs - and all that will happen if you go looking for one is that the chip on your shoulder will get bigger, and any hope of stability and peace will recede from view.

The wisdom of history, someone once said, is knowing what to overlook.

[AkshiJanjua]

Dammm are you British you are so triggered 😂
Britain cannot atone for their sins but a sorry can go a long way old man

[nightdrot]

Were that I was British. As it is, I note that most of the emotion and vitriol is coming from your side. Long on ad hominems, short on reasoned arguments.

[AkshiJanjua]

go watch the video that i posted those are the facts that i am tired of stating and old white people like you ignoring and making assumptions with their little knowledge

[nightdrot]

Did indeed watch the videos - and so what? Nothing that they mention changes history nor the human condition.

By the way, you are now descending to bigotry. (Old white people?) You are hardly a sterling example of enlightened India. Physician, heal thyself.

[shimmeryns]

Hmm @JimRSmith what do you think?

[JimRSmith]

I think the Asker doesn't have any idea what he's talking about, and is simply trying to stir things up.

Queen Elizabeth II doesn't wear a crown with the Koh-i-Noor - that's factually wrong. It forms part of the crown jewels, but the Asker wouldn't know the difference.

Pakistan and Afghanistan also claim it belongs to them, too. It doesn't make any of these claims true. It's been deemed impossible to decide the jewel's original owner, as it's been passed back and forth for centuries as a spoil of war. The Indian 'claim' to it seems to derive from a theory that it was originally mined in what later became Indian territory, although even that isn't an established fact.

So yeah, I think he'll need to start saving that £60 he's talking about, if he wants to see it.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith pls watch the video sir that is the point of the question

[JimRSmith]

I've seen it before. Just because Shashi Tharoor claims things doesn't make them true.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith lol so you mean he is lying and facts are wrong.

search Jallianwala Bagh massacre on Google

[JimRSmith]

I don't need to, I know all about it.

It's not connected with the Koh-i-Noor (in any way, shape or form). Why are you bringing up unconnected events in this conversation? You must have a pretty weak argument.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith i just wanted to have some Western people's opinions about the video so i wrote it in a click bait type of question because no one was paying attention when I wrote it directly

And what Shashi Tharoor claims is absolutely true but because you only have been taught about the greatness of British i understand your opinion

And as Shashi Tharoor says in the video its not about money or diamonds but acknowledging the fact that reparations are owed and even a "sorry" is enough

[JimRSmith]

No, I've had plenty of exposure to both perspectives, including the Indian nationalist one.

You see, I could start talking about the Black Hole of Calcutta, the appalling custom of widow burning (sati), but I don't, because both are absolutely irrelevant to the discussion in question.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith u are a British Raj supporter i can see

[JimRSmith]

The British Raj ceased to exist in 1947. I don't see how it's possible to 'support' it, when it hasn't existed for more than seventy years.

You're unable to stick to the question, aren't you? You won't get very good grades if you do this, in your exams, you know.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith lol i already got an A after learning accurate history not distorted like you

i have stated all my facts and those are facts most of the Indian population will tell you
But you seem like you want to ignore all those facts and focus attention on Sati and all and you can state that freely because we Indians dont feel any shame in accepting all the wrongs in our society. And honestly you are saying that you dont believe in Shashi Tharoor's arguments but you have not stated the any fact that shows any of that is false.

And about the diamond, It is a well known fact that British took the diamond from India. So, even if they say they claimed it in the right way, returning it is a great sign to show that Britain has changed and admits the wrongs it has done.

Even if they want to return it to Pakistan its their choice or even not returning it but admitting it that its not theirs is the argument here

[JimRSmith]

If you were as good a historian as you seem to think, you'd be able to argue with logic and facts.

You haven't. I have absolutely no interest in focusing on sati - I simply mentioned it to demonstrate how your references to Jallianwala Bagh is also irrelevant to this discussion.

Stick to the facts, argue with logic, and don't attempt to win arguments with unrelated incidents, and people will take you seriously.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith i am not an historian of course i am an engineer🤔 and i am not trying to be an expert in history

What is your side of the story i want to know what logical facts can you state in this argument

[JimRSmith]

You started off with a statement which is factually incorrect. Queen Elizabeth doesn't wear the Koh-i-Noor in her crown. That's a fact.

It's also a fact that nobody knows where the Koh-i-Noor came from. It might be India, but it might equally be Timbuktu - nobody knows.

Another fact is that it's been deemed impossible to trace the jewel's original owner. This is because it was gifted, willed, surrendered, stolen by a host of people before it ever came into Queen Victoria's possession. Another fact.

I'd stick to Engineering if I were you. You're probably much better at that.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith lol so all these facts prove what , that it is honorable to have diamonds from other lands in your possession even if you starved and killed millions for 200 years

you stated your facts about diamond but you are not talking about reparations lol why?

[JimRSmith]

Your question never mentioned reparations at all, funnily enough. When are you going to pay reparations to Pakistan?

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith British need to pay Pakistan not India
Now what funny claims you are going to make for that

[JimRSmith]

None whatsoever. I don't believe in reparations. I simply said that to demonstrate that anybody can say anybody else owes reparations, and it doesn't necessarily make it so.

Having had this conversation with you, if I didn't have Indian friends from this site, I'd probably take Indians much less seriously. They talk about relevant, current things, and don't waste their time wallowing in perceived past injustices, that nobody who's alive today can remember.

[AkshiJanjua]

@JimRSmith well thats what i was asking but honestly i dont think any Indian would want to friend with your type of person

[AkshiJanjua]

all your claims are about white superiority

[JimRSmith]

You're the one who's brought up race. I guess that makes you the racist.

[shimmeryns]

@JimRSmith thank you for responding and good argument by the way 😊

[AkshiJanjua]

lol now you have her supporting you great
so all that story that i wrote you completely ignore and just trying to prove you are good at history
Whereas you yourself said Shashi Tharoor's facts were wrong but when i asked for telling me how they were wrong you didn't mention any
Well thats a pretty great argument

[AkshiJanjua]

whereas i already agreed at the start it was just a click bait and what i really think about the diamond and just asked you to prove how Shashi Tharoor is wrong

But then you started commenting on me being bad at history in school lol you were the one who took it on a personal level first

argument rests for now come back when you have any valid claims that prove those facts are wrong

[shimmeryns]

Brother Akshi, the way I see it... Let's focus on something more important, for example emulating Singapore success as suggested by the late Lee Kuan Yew. Getting reparation or sorry can't transform a country.

[OlderAndWiser]

And didn't India steal the diamond from Afghanistan?

[AkshiJanjua]

no stop making assumptions

[OlderAndWiser]

So you don't want to talk about Afghanistan's claim? I guess you don't want to talk about Pakistan's claim, either. But India's claim is not as solid as you think.

Didn't the UK conqueror India in the 1800's? Doesn't the victor usually get the spoils?

[AkshiJanjua]

A descendant of Abdali, Shah Shuja Durrani brought the Kohinoor back to India in 1813 and gave it to Ranjit Singh, the ruler of Lahore, in exchange for his help in winning back the throne of Afghanistan

[AkshiJanjua]

lol conquer, so all those millions of Indians your people killed were part of the conquers
seriously is that the mindset of a British citizen

[OlderAndWiser]

Shah Shuja Durrani's memoirs state that he surrendered the diamond to Ranjit Singh while Singh was having his son tortured in front of him.

[OlderAndWiser]

Why are you calling me a British citizen? If facts matter, I am an American.

[AkshiJanjua]

but we can't confirm Afghanistan claims do we
And everyone knows British took it from India

[OlderAndWiser]

So Britain conquered India and had the right to take it, as the commonly understood rules existed at that time.

[AkshiJanjua]

fair enough but a king does a king owns properties of their masses

[Britantic]

Yes they did. The diamond was actually willed to the East India company but some Indians deceided to keep which really means the Indians stole it from the British.

[Britantic]

India, Pakistan and Afghanistan have all claimed it but it belongs to her majesty.
Shujah formed an alliance with the United Kingdom to help defend against a possible invasion of Afghanistan by Russia. He was quickly overthrown, but fled with the diamond to Lahore, where Ranjit Singh, founder of the Sikh Empire, in return for his hospitality, insisted upon the gem being given to him, and he took possession of it in 1813.
Its new owner, Ranjit Singh, willed the diamond to the East India Company-administered Hindu Jagannath Temple in Puri, in modern-day Odisha, India. However, after his death in 1839, his will was not executed. On 29 March 1849, following the conclusion of the Second Anglo-Sikh War, the Kingdom of Punjab was formally annexed to Company rule, and the Last Treaty of Lahore was signed, officially ceding the Koh-i-Noor to Queen Victoria and the Maharaja's other assets to the company. Article III of the treaty read: "The gem called the Koh-i-Noor, which was taken from Shah Sooja-ool-moolk by Maharajah Ranjeet Singh, shall be surrendered by the Maharajah of Lahore to the Queen of England. Sorry India but you can't decide after 150 years you want the giant diamond you gave us back.
Dr Shadshi khoodor, that's that guy that killed his wife isn't it?

[AkshiJanjua]

all your story ( that i don't read) is going to disappear soon😆

[AkshiJanjua]

oh so did you watch the video?

[Britantic]

I watched but I'm afraid it's bullshit mostly. There was a reason that Indians choose to fight for the East Indian company and later the British empire rather than their own kings, princes and whatever. Always remember thousands of Indians choose the British rather than their own native rulers, it was the only way British rule was possible.
Also I'm sorry if the truth hurts you so bad tgat you must hide my comments in case others see.🥒

[AkshiJanjua]

lol you are funny little girl still cute 😂

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Britanics accounting of the historical context is accurate. You'd do well to listen instead of feigning superiority like a child Akshi.

[Shezadi]

Akshi, you find her "cute" and "funny"? You are very lenient with girls. I swear if she was a guy, you would have been angry.

[LukeLugh]

First of all, the term 'British' should be replaced by the conquest of the royal families. Secondly, the inter religious genocides which have taken place in India far outweigh colonial atrocity. Thirdly the British royal family are connected to other aristocratic families across the world, this notion of 'nationalism' is a stubbornly persistent illusion. The so called nation of India (which really doesn't exist, but for the sake of argument it will do) should focus the pervasive materialistic collectivism which is the predominant scourge of the land. Reparations are a distraction.

[AkshiJanjua]

hey you moron did you fail in history class

[LukeLugh]

Prove it by attempting to refute my argument.

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Where the Kohinoor diamond came from and where it was extracted is largely unknown. And its latest owner willed it to a temple whose province was later overtaken by the East India Trading Company Administration. It's a spoil of war. A symbol of victory and old British Imperial power. Suggesting it was, "stolen", is a very loose and philosophical claim simply because it was mined sometime somewhere in India. India which was under British governance. So it is quite unlikely that Indians themselves even unearthed it. Especially since mining only came with British presence in the land.

Petty grievances like these are pitiful. Spend your time on fixing the countless issues India faces now like overpopulation, pollution, poverty and hygiene instead of whining about other countries' supposed archaic wrongdoings. You people have such inferiority complexes it's just sad to see you rant and rave.

[AkshiJanjua]

did you watch the video watch it pls it's a request

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Youtube videos of doctors making emotional tangents are not arguments Akshi. You need to learn how to properly substantiate claims.

[AkshiJanjua]

watch the video or stop it because you sound like an idiot

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Tell you what. Read all my text and the text Britanic wrote, which you said you completely ignored, then we'll talk.

[AkshiJanjua]

ahhh... another idiot god pls help

[AkshiJanjua]

that video has answers to all your questions

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Pathetic Akshi. Just pathetic.

[AkshiJanjua]

Damm height of ignorance

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

That sentence doesn't even make sense. Learn English. You know, the language of the country which ruled you.

[AkshiJanjua]

fuck off you weird looking guy
i have read your opinions before always they are way dumber than this one though

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Aw, I made you upset didn't I.

I don't think you even comprehend the content of my opinions.

[AkshiJanjua]

U are just a racist scumbag

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

No, you're just an ass.

[AkshiJanjua]

So you didn't watch the video

[AkshiJanjua]

did you?

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Nobody cares about your video Akshi. Get that through your head. It isn't factual, it isn't accurate.

[AkshiJanjua]

lol you are true descendant of your bloody ancestors

[AkshiJanjua]

I am sure failed in history class
or probably all subjects thats why you became a "keybord warrior" writing hate comments in this site😂

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Now look who's being racist.
As if your ancestors weren't just as bloody.

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

I have A in history and a scholarship, and so far I'm the only one who's made historical arguments. You're mildly amusing Akshi, but mostly just a testimony to the low education reigning in your country.

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Hahaha, hate comments? People who disagree with you write hate comments? Ridiculous!

[Mädchen]

Well that's pretty mild compared to the other things they did to india. Or rather half the world

[AkshiJanjua]

true

[idiomatic]

And the Mughals?

[Mädchen]

They weren't that nice either. I didn't say england is the root of all evil. Basically every country did some fucked up shit at some point. I'm german. I'd know lol

[AkshiJanjua]

India was rich during Mughals

[Britantic]

Didn't the Mughals commit genocide on a massive scale against Hindus and Sikhs?

[Shezadi]

@Britantic Mughals contributed a lot to India. Taj Mahal was made by a Mughal Muslim King for his wife. The palaces Mughal made still attract tourism.

[Britantic]

@Shezadi Taj Mahal was built by the Greeks, modelled on the hagia Sofia in Constantinople.
The Mughals killed millions of Hindus.

[Klara-Hitler]

Iranians first looted Koohe Noor and Daryaye Noor from Mongol emperors. The latter is still in Iran.

I'm not defending British colonialists but they weren't the first ones to rule over you or loot you. You let a lot of people take advantage of you and when you do that, your possessions end up all over the world.

[AkshiJanjua]

Under previous rulers India was one of the richest countries in the world
And fact check miss

A descendant of Abdali, Shah Shuja Durrani brought the Kohinoor back to India in 1813 and gave it to Ranjit Singh, the ruler of Lahore, in exchange for his help in winning back the throne of Afghanistan

[Britantic]

It was willed to the East India company.

[Shezadi]

Akshi, you really do know history. You should have been a historian instead of an engineer.

[Massageman]

She doesn't wear it (wikipedia) Today, the Koh-i-Noor diamond is on public display in the Jewel House at the Tower of London, where it is seen by millions of visitors each year. The governments of India and Pakistan have both claimed ownership of the Koh-i-Noor and demanded its return since the two countries gained independence from the UK in 1947. The British government insists the gem was obtained legally under the terms of the Last Treaty of Lahore and has rejected the claims.

[Anonymous]

You make is sound like only England has gone to war in India, and taken something. Fact is, India has has wars long before the British came along, and many of these wars were for conquest of one type of another, and treasure was often taken. That doesn't make England worse than all the rest, just because they were the last to do so. I'm not justifying wars of conquest, just that they are noting new, and Indians were involved in them also.

[Anonymous]

Yes, it's very shameful, but western imperialism has no shame.

[AkshiJanjua]

no shame at all

[Dreagon]

1: It's on the crown of her mother, not on the crown of the Queen.
2: It was handed over to Britain as part of a peace treaty which doesn't make it theft. It would still be polite to return it though.

[Lliam]

Yes. All the colonial powers were/are butchers and thieves and should pay reparations.

[Phoenix98]

It is what it is.

And to fair there is no actual historical origin for the diamond meaning no one actually knows where and when it was originally found. Only where it's been and it switched many hands, being passed down, stolen multiple times and being taken as a spoil of war many times before.

India, the Mongols, Afghani's and now Britain all have been it's owners and Britain wasn't the first to rule over or loot your country just one of many on a long list, like many other nations.

[AkshiJanjua]

another ignorant India hater

[AkshiJanjua]

I am tired of explaining basic facts here but once again I am just asking is it shameful for British stealing that diamond

[MannMitAntworten]

No. It can be stolen back. There are far more Indians then there are English. Overwhelm them with numbers...

[andreasderjuengere]

The time when the royal house got it, India has been a colony of theirs. So it is rightfully hers. It has nothing to do with present-day's ''India''.
Don't dwell on the past, but build a future.
If you are able to.

[Anonymous]

Well too bad, you should not have been trading with the Ottomans for all those centuries who were exploiting and murdering us. They were the big market for your spices and cotton, your wealth was built on our blood. Even so the British forgave you and your population vastly increased under their rule because they were good administrators. The same cannot be said of Ottoman Europe.

[Poormanscomedian]

yep, should give it back. US , UK, and China practically steal gem stones from India, and South America , and Africa.

[Britantic]

Steal by paying with money.

[Poormanscomedian]

@Britantic very little money

[Britantic]

Poor salesmanship. Diamonds are only worth what someone is willing to pay.

[billyboombust]

Not really. The British were in charge at the time, can't steal from yourself. All jewels come from somewhere... not many engagement rings with "British diamonds".

[B1gdf]

No. Why is it shameful?
Has anyone put a claim on it? No!
Our ancestors are guilty of many atrocities across the world, just as the rest of the world are still doing today.