Yes I love this!!
Exactly how would it ever motivate them to get to a healthy weight? Rather they see models like her and think: oh, so I'm beautiful and should accept myself as is and never change. No, I am not against bigger models and representation but this is just normalising obesity.
@morimeme1 Not at all. It actually gives more of an insight into what obesity normally looks like to others. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the attitude she uses or negative body image/lifestyle should be celebrated but I do think if people feel they're not 'hated by society' or that others want them around they start to reflect that in their own lives and take more care of themselves. A great way to start doing that is by getting yourself clothes that you feel comfortable and confident in, places where you would see models like these & be motivated towards greater change.
That was very well said. It's a sensitive topic and I thought you articulated it beautifully.
@AmandaYVR Thanks Amanda. I know there's a big difference in mindsets between countries but I hate seeing people throw people who model all into one boat because they're not picture perfect, cookie-cutter versions of the same person. There's some great changes being made. Someone over size 14 couldn't have found a job in this industry & now there's even the chance for people like Trisha to be supermodels. Fashion should be tailored to people not the other way around.
This is what we should be aiming for as long as we can as long as we have our health...https://youtu.be/WZYDVks1wA0
yeah it makes you laugh when they say they are big boned... no such thing
When I see this photo, I just wonder how the fuck she can even walk. With all her joints carrying so much extra weight.
Actually bones grow to carry the extra weight. People who do hard physical work also have thincker bones than those who don't.
Thanks for the MHO.
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in that first picture I guess she has what could be considered an attractive face. But her face definitely "fattened up" in the second pic. Double chin is never a good sign. Also I feel like she looks quite smug and stuck up in the second pic, although I guess runway models have a long history of looking all "serious" on the runway, so maybe she's just leaning into that a bit much.
The "classic model" is generally unhealthily skinny, and causes people to starve themselves in a much more direct and dramatic way than this model will cause people to "use her as an excuse". Don't be such a hypocrite, and maybe try to realize that if people like you didn't attack any fat person in the public eye, the conversation about weight could actually focus on health rather than struggling to get people to not abuse people based on their weight (which is obviously detrimental to mental health, not that you care)
@cipher42 pointing out hypocrisy doesn't make him a hypocrite. The fashion industry will parade around whatever gets attention, and right now morbidly obese women are apparently "in". They're exploiting obesity now the same way they've exploited anorexia before. Swapping poles from one delusion to another doesn't bring balance to the world; two wrong do not make a right.
@SomeGuyCalledTom He's not pointing out hypocrisy as far as I can tell. Nowhere does he criticize the way that the "classic model" ideal causes people to develop eating disorders (far more directly than this model might cause people to gain weight- actively causing a new change rather than simply discouraging a potential one).And sure, jumping from one not great standard to a new one isn't great. But I don't really think that using body type as a standard for health is any kind of intelligent standard at all, especially given that shaming people for their bodies detracts from mental health, which is just as important as physical (more so, imo). As such, I think it is useful to normalize overweight models, to give overweight people the representation (and thus mental health boost) they probably need. The fact is, the scales do need tipping, and the way to do that the fastest is to first put a lot of stuff on the opposite end, and then worry about the more moderate things that will actually bring balance
@cipher42 well I respect your opinion but I just don't agree, this woman is clearly on the very obese end and we should not "normalise" obesity, that's like saying we should normalise smoking ten packs of cigarettes a day because it makes chain smokers "feel more included". Mental health is of course a big part of the obesity epidemic, but the solution isn't just to tell unhealthy people "hey what you're doing is A-Okay!". It would be nice is obese people weren't bullied and scorned by mean people so much, don't get me wrong. But this whole thing of "normalisation" seems like a huge over-correction and not based in what's best for long-term health outcomes.
And obesity (ie: "body type") is the second biggest predictor of long-term health outcomes, right after smoking I believe. It's not arbitrary, the science is absolute on this. But of course when the science doesn't match the social progressive narrative, it must be downplayed so that "inclusivity" and what have you can take to the forefront. I'd rather take health advice straight from the science itself, not from what some feminists think is "representing" obesity in a positive light.
@SomeGuyCalledTom I don't think smoking is a good comparison. First off, smoking isn't an appearance, it's an action. We should discourage an unhealthy diet/lifestyle, not the appearance we associate with people who have an unhealthy diet/lifestyle. Second, there's no risk to not smoking. If smokers are shamed, it's not a bad thing if people decide to stop smoking entirely (as opposed to people deciding to stop eating).I'm not suggesting that the solution here is to tell people that being unhealthy is 100% okay. But that's not really what people are doing here, what people are doing here is pointing out that acting like skinny=healthy is bullshit, and that if we focused on how people *actually* behave rather than how they look like they behave that'd be a much more effective way of encouraging people to be healthy.
I dont want this to pass on to the next generation. Childhood obesity was a problem obama tried to deal with, now liberals just want to say that it isn't a problem even though it has negative impacts on the childs health
@devilman666 not all obesity is down to over eating though this is what so many cannot understand... most of it is down to health issues and medication... medication being a case of certain meds contain substances which bloat, while others improve metabolism and others you could eat tiny amounts and yet still the weight piles on... I have known first hand and seen how meds can mess with people's weight... Thyroid too can go either way... Epilepsy... diabetes... mobility and depression are just a few of the medical conditions which can effect weight gain/loss, and the medications for those can either help or make worse the weight/metabolism of who is taking them while doing its' job in controlling the actual illness they are taken to treat
Is she taking these medications or have these conditions? No, she said that she does not. she is just obese.
Medical conditions make up the minority of all obesity. What I was talking about was the people without medical conditions who simply dont put in effort to change their weight because of body positivity nonsense. If we dont make societal change then obesity could become the next societal norm.
@June871 doesn't matter whether she said it or not, the point i was making was too many people jump on things like this without knowing the person or their lives... but fair play to her for doing what she did @devilman666 yeah i got that but my point i stated was referring to people who hate on others cos they do not conform to how they choose to live... childhood obesity is a serious issue regardless, as is adult obesity... however those whose obesity is caused by unhealthy eating and where no mental health or physical health issues preexist then this can be reduced by not giving them an excuse to eat healthily you seen the cost of healthy foods? Junk food costs a fraction of what healthy food costs, and most normal non junk foods are full of additives and preservatives which can effect weight too... certain foods and how they are treated can effect health in certain capacities the point really is if corporations/governments and authorities wanted to stop obesity in general then they would reevaluate the cost of healthy foods while reducing the additives and manufactured preservatives added to the foods... but in order to do this the following must be donEducation on the effects of obesity, and Government/authorities/corporations and the people need to work together to make this work... cos just one or 2 party's working toward a better system isn't going to help, all must be willing
Things are already being done Plenty of resources to educate oneself on obesity and healthy eating (ie internet, michelle obama's program etc) and many cheap grocery stores. People just dont want to. period.
well that depends on where you live... for most places those are not available
1. i live in north america, same place that Tess Holliday lives. 2. Tess Holliday certainly can afford good groceries, given her fame and modelling contracts. 3. There has been numerous studies that while it is more expensive to eat a healthy diet, its only about $1.50 per day.
I was referring to the people as a whole... and tbh think my point is being missed
again, most countries dont have an obesity problem. Asia, such as China, Korea Japan, Singapore, Malaysia etc doesn't have an obesity problem, despite wealth. They prioritize a good diet and exercise. So does most of Europe, minus the UK. South America doesn't have an obesity problem. Africa does not eitherAnd as someone who has a doctor as a father, even he says weight gain due to medication can be controlled and that obesity can be avoided.
depends where you are in the UK though tbh same goes for other countries, though most obesity in many countries that are an issue isn't reported as much, not that they dont have an issue it's just cos they dont ridicule those who have a larger build or bigger weight than the rest...
No we actually do t have obesity in Asia. I lived there. 99% are a healthy weight unlike fat ass Americans
tone policing at its finest.
Healthy weight range? Based on her appearance alone, it's not hard to see she isn't. She is easily over 45% bodyfat based on her appearance and definitely obese, likely morbidly obese.
There was a woman that looked like her and considered NOT obese by her doctors. There are numerous factors that play in. She was just overweight. So no, just looking doesn’t work.
being self-aware sometimes helps instead of ignoring all standards. i mean i don't demant to be treated like a millionaire even though i'm not one.
I agree 100%. Nothing else needs to be said here
And premoting anorexia is not wrong?
@Smiley_face101 who is promoting anorexia?Anorexics cost less. They need less food, less clothes, medical treatment is less and you don't need to hire a crane to bury them.
I find this and underweight models exactly the same, they are unhealthy, being underweight (bmi 18.5 and less) is worse then being obese (bmi 30.- 34.9)People need to understand that no extreme is healthy
@Smiley_face101 bmi is a poor guide but yeah if you look like your coming out of a concentration camp them your too thin.
Yeah, it just feels like some people worship skinny women only because they are not fat and its stupid, like I lift weights so I will never be skinny 😂
Tess will be dead within 10 years, due to multiple organ failure caused by type-two diabetes.
@cth96190 Maybe, maybe not. We are not her doctor
@cth96190 nah she will make her money then lose weight with surgery and then make more money on how she lost weight and of course a book
We already celebrate gender dysphoria and narcissity so might as well add obesity to it, right? 😂 (Sarcasm)
@Plumizz lol at the American explaining sarcasm to the brit...(more sarcasm). in answer to your statement i think piling shit on shit just produces a bigger pile of shit
@wankiam and if you pile on enough shit, then the end result is Tess Holliday xD
@SomeGuyCalledTom yeah another great example of marketting strategy
Im not American haha Im actually in the UK
@Plumizz then you didn't need to explain it was sarcasm... pretty much taken as read
Wasn't explaining it specifically to you its pretty straightforward but Im pretty some lost people out here would have trouble with it lol
@Plumizz furry muff
The thing is compared to "normal weight" you can't possibly be as underweight as she is overweight or you'd be dead.
I don't think Tess Holliday is all that interested in "encouraging healthy eating" though, if anything she's gotten more obese since she first became known as a "plus size" model. I've leveled the same criticism against anorexic "standards" for runway models many times before. There's no double standard. Most red-blooded males do NOT encourage anorexically skinny women to remain anorexic. The fashion industry does that all by itself. And who finances the fashion industry? WOMEN. I can count on one hand the times I've seen a man pick up a fashion magazine off a newsstand, yet women consume that industry's output in the millions, every day. Maybe look at women's consumer habits that enable this toxic industry, rather than putting the blame at the feet of men who HONESTLY COULD CARE LESS about whether some runway model shows her ribcage or not.
Body positivity was never about fat blobs being accepted. It was about people with physical abnormality, such as missing limbs, skin problems, scars, etc... accepting something they couldn't change and live with it.Being a huge fat shit isn't part of body positivity, she's just a lazy whale pretending it's body positivity because she refuses to do what it takes to lose weight.
Thankfully neither obesity nor size zero is promoted where I am.
People don't shame underweight women to nearly the degree they shame overweight women. And like, NEWSFLASH, eating habits aren't correlated to weight to nearly the degree some of y'all indicate they are, and they're certainly not correlated to health to that extent. All that calling fat people "gross" or "lazy" does is a. harm their mental health, and b. force us to create campaigns that focus on countering that kind of hate, rather than ones that actually talk about how to eat healthy (without equating weight with health).Also, I REALLY don't care who's consuming what. I don't give a shit about responsibility, I give a shit about people being happy and healthy. I don't care if a group if somehow causing themselves to suffer, or suffering out of free choice, I only care that they don't suffer. Free will is fake, the only thing that actually matters in the end is that suffering should be reduced in whatever ways possible.
Both underweight and overweight women are shamed. Even underweight guys who lack muscles are shamed in certain other parts of the world.
I guess the underweight women aren't shamed in the USA.
@Babygirl_S Severely underweight is sometimes shamed/recognized as bad. But there's still a lot of focus on having a flat stomach, and women who are even slightly overweight (or just not skinny enough to conform to the supposed ideal) are targeted with a lot more shame than women who are slightly on the skinny side.
That's interesting because here both overweight and underweight people are criticized equally.
Anyways I haven't actually seen a woman of that size in India.
@Babygirl_S Where are you from? And while I'm not sure that's ideal really, it's at least not hypocritical. I think my ideal would be not criticizing people for their bodies (harming mental health to maybe improve physical health) but just focusing on healthy habits and nicely encouraging people to be healthy if they seem like they're living an unhealthy lifestyle
Yes, that is the correct thing to do.
This isn't about what we and society feel is "sexc or acceptable". It's about what is healthy and she is clearly not. Being proud to be morbidly obese is not something that should be accepted or promoted.
And when underweight models were premoted it was okay?
Since when did overweight become beautiful?
@Babygirl_S Both overweight and underweight should not be premoted
To be skin and bones is not ok. But I take it from your reaction that you are a big girl.
Then what's the problem? Of you agree skin and bones and fat as hell is equally bad then there is nothing to debate now is there?
tyra yes. AG no.
Ashley Graham is gorgeous and classy. why not?
Because she isn't gorgeous or aspirational.
AG unphotoshopped. No thank you. www.exposecheaters.online/.../www.google.com/search
She's posted those on her instagram already and said," this is me unphotoshopped ". Its not like she "ask" to be photoshopped. Tyra is photoshopped to.. to each it's own but I love Ashley's confidence. I really liked her when I seen her on steve Harvey show. she's so down to earth
I don't care about her confidence and I just don't like her vibe. I've met her in person and she is just average. Not aspirational or stunning like Romee Strijd or Candace Swanepoel or Adriana Lima. Even Chiara Ferragni and negin mirsalehi are better. AG is only popular in us due to obesity rates it's a joke.
I think we also need to speak up though.
@UncleJessieRabbit To a point. Remember the more you say something is bad, the more women do it and the more they enjoy it. Let them parade around their fat asses, develop diabetes and realize no one is wathcing and no one cares - it will hit them like a ton of bricks.
You have a point.
Medical literature definitely shows that either extreme is unhealthy.
And when underweight models were premoted its okay?
@Smiley_face101 I never said I agreed with that either did I?But we're not talking about underweight models, we're talking about obese ones.
Would you prefer seeing her on the beach in a bikini then?
On a weight loss camp.