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Do you agree with Greta Thunberg or do you think she's a political tool (or somewhere in between)? (Page 2)
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So... the problem with your question is that you're comparing two completely different questions in the same question and I don't know why you did that. You should have simply asked "do you agree with Greta or not." I have no idea why you included this "political tool" nonsense since it not only is not true, but has nothing to do with the first question you asked-- which was whether I agree with her message.
What makes you say the questions are unrelated? Greta being used as a political tool is the single most common criticism used against her, so OF COURSE the two are related. To think anything else is asinine. There are dozens upon dozens of responses to this very question stating outright that they believe she is a political tool. Your problem is that you personally find the accusation of her being a political tool offensive, therefor including it in my question somehow harms you, which is obviously untrue.
Oh! That's great! Dozens and dozens of people think she's a "political tool!" Wow! I love that standard for measuring whether something is objectively true or not!
Hey, let's try it out: I think that JFK was assassinated by aliens. Can we find "dozens upon dozens" of people who would somehow insanely agree with me? Great! That must make it true!
I think that car engines work because there are little gremlins inside that make the pistons turn. Can we find "dozens upon dozens" of people who would somehow insanely agree with me? Great! That must make it true!
I think that Snickers candy bars cause brain cancer. Can we find "dozens upon dozens" of people who would somehow insanely agree with me? Great! That must make it true!
No one here finds anything "offensive," dude. Don't stoop to that level of ignorance-- you asked a bad, irrational question and I told you why it was bad and irrational. "Offense" has nothing to do with it one way or the other.
Now you're the one conflating two different things. No said that just because a lot of people think it's true that it IS true. Dozens of people stating that she is a political tool is just that, dozens of people stating she is a political tool. Why you find that offensive is beyond me. It's just people's opinions. They're allowed to think that. This is a poll. Not a truth serum. Stop being so silly.
"No said that just because a lot of people think it's true that it IS true."
"There are dozens upon dozens of responses to this very question stating outright that they believe she is a political tool."
... Did you not read what you wrote? And... bud. Champ. Here, let me help you: There's this word called "implication," or its root, "imply," whereby a person does not need to specifically state something in order to actually say it. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/imply?s=t
That should help you.
Again, no one here is "offended." And it doesn't matter whether people think something-- what matters is what's actually true, dude.
Well said
@Badballie Thanks.
She is a mentality ill 16yr-old who walked out of school. With the means to travel the world (on jet-fueled planes) has the influence and connections to garner support from the UN. Her parents are members of Antifa with links to Geroge Soros organizations, who have clearly filled her with such anger, self-righteous and an apocalyptic view of the world and the future.
Now if she isn't a political tool, there isn't such a thing.
That's a well reasoned argument. What about climate change? What is your stance on that?
The Earth's climate has changed throughout history. We see the effects across the world, the climate is on a cycle. The Earth's axis is tilted 23.5 degrees from the plane of its orbit around the sun. But this tilt changes. During a cycle that averages about 40,000 years, the tilt of the axis varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees. Because this tilt changes, the seasons as we know them can become exaggerated.
The debate should be on the extent humans are effecting this, not if climate change is happening.
I don't think there's much room for doubt on our impact on climate change. I don't think we're as catastrophic as alarmists like Greta would have us believe, but we already know what pollution does. How would you fix it?
We should preserve the earth to the best of our abilities, that is common sense.
The earth has survived a collision with the moon, countless meteor strikes, ice ages, nuclear bombs set off in an attempt to destroy the atmosphere (The US actually did this). The earth and human life are more resilience than they would have you believe.
I live in the Uk, we equal to 1% of the world's population levels. If you want to make a real difference, you need to get China, America, India and Russia together who are producing a large number of the population and CO2 in the atmosphere, have them agree to lower their emissions. The rest of the world is largely irrelevant in this conversation if we are debating a coming "mass extinction".
Antifa and Soros - you're going all in on this girl. lol
@tara987 Look it up.
How can you not agree with her? Little over 50% of the oxigen comes from the ocean and the rest is from forest's and what no. And we are killing off life on land and in the sea that creates an imbalance so great that the planet is heating up more then it should, melting off polar caps and gleaurs that acts like a coolent. Its only going to become hotter. The pH lvl in the sea is higher then ever before and that is killing off several types of life in the sea. Yes all of it is old news, we have known this for over 60 year's. But she is more vocal about it then most before her. It's time we listen
100% she's a tool. I feel bad for her because she seems distressed by what her handlers are having her do. I think she believes the world is coming to an end and it's making her miserable. But I think she's missing the bigger picture. She has no idea how complex the modern world is and what the cost in human lives would be if we went down the path of economy wrecking policies some of the climate activists are calling for. Not that I expect her to know that--she's just a 16 year old kid. But the d-bags exploiting her should know better or really are less concerned about the climate than they are with getting their hands on other people's money.
She is technically correct, the best kind of correct. Politicians are being very irresponsible and her generation will be one of the first to truly pay for it. She is acting like a rational human being should considering the urgency of the looming catastrophe they are about to experience.
The left is using her age and gender to shame anyone who disagrees with her. They want to take advantage by responding with "How dare you disagree with a child? How dare you talk back to a child? How dare you this, how dare you that, etc.". She is nothing but a political tool. She is not a scientist. I'm not taking anything she says seriously.
The argument for climate change has to come from respected scientists with proven experience and qualifications. She simply lacks any real credentials to be taken seriously by either side.
I agree with your point but on the other hand... she is just stating how she feels and asking people to help make a change... The argument for climate change still stands and is supported by scientists but no one is listening to them...
@OneRandom1 Exactly. She may not hold credentials but plenty of people who do are saying pretty much the same thing as her, and very few people are listening. That’s why people like her feel the need to speak out because no one is listening to the people who are qualified and have been warning us about this for decades.
I agree, it's important that ordinary people show that they believe the science. But people who don't believe the science seem to disbelieve it because of political leanings more than anything else. There's a risk she'll just conform their delusions that it's just a leftist conspiracy through her actions.
I agree with her on climate change. Our world's leaders can only talk, while she wants positive action.
Shame so many GAGers are not sufficently knowledgeable to understant what is happening.
I don't agree that she wants positive action. Her message is entirely negative. It's just blame, name, and shame tactics. There's no data behind her arguments and no science behind her solutions. Just, "RADICALLY CHANGE BECAUSE I SAID SO OR YOU'RE RUINING MY CHILDHOOD!" She's extremely unlikable.
So what is your response to global warming? What is your solution? Maybe you don't think it is happening. All she is trying to do is show that our leaders can talk a lot, but up to now, appear to be doing very little practically to resolve the issue.
@Kiran_Yagami I disagree, I think she was speaking from the heart and passionate about what she said. People in charge are not doing their jobs and she is mad about it. What is being done is not enough. She is Batman, not the hero you want but the hero we deserve. I for one am glad someone is telling people they suck at keeping the planet alive...
@JakeMist86 So what if she's speaking from the heart? If she was, then her heart is full of poison and bile. Anger seldom changes anything for the better, so if she is mad and she's speaking like she's mad THEN SHE'S DOING IT WRONG. The more excuses you make for her, the worse she looks.
You still have not come up with an anwer. How would you convince our leaders to take action? If you have an answer, why have you not done it? If you have done it, what is the result? Have you achieved more than this girl?
Greta Thunberg is completely disingenuous. I have a low tolerance for bullshit and my bullshit detector was off the charts during her speech. The cringe factor was unreal. There is no way she wrote that speech herself. Just the other day she was asked "what was her message for world leaders" in an interview and she couldn't even answer it because she didn't have a speech she could read off. Ridiculous.
She is being funded and supported by entities that are using her for their own political agendas. It's unfortunate that environmental scientists who have been going on about climate change for decades now have been ignored and suddenly some 16 year old who's reading off the script that mommy and daddy wrote for her whilst going around wearing antifa shirts is the one everyone's talking about.
I don't see #climatechange trending, no, I see Greta Thunberg trending. It's all about her.
Funny how Greta has never mentioned the gigantic amount of military spending and needless wars. How much carbon emissions does that cause let alone the mass killing and destruction. But no let's not mention foreign policy because that would not go down well. She made her demon face at Trump because he's evil apparently, but shook hands with Obama. Yep, the same Obama who dropped 20,000 bombs on Iraq and Syria and boosted pointless American military spending.
It's all fake and people like Greta are designed to suck the masses into a certain cause in order to take their attention away from the real nasty stuff.
@Tru-陳 Another one in denial. So predictable!
really i wouldn't bet on it
being hysterical about changes nothing. things are being done just not as fast as she wants.
What on earth am I in denial about? I've just written a big piece about the whole topic coming from an informed background and all you can do is accuse me of being in denial? I challenge you to actually point out what I've said that's actually wrong.
Well considering that she is wrong about climate change and cannot use data but instead just insults I think its safe to say she is being used by the left to push their agenda (as they often hide behind children (David Hogg comes to mind) so that if you destroy them in a debate you look like a bully or your forced to kowtow to their emotional argument because they are a "child").
Her arguments are wildly incorrect and she suffers from a multitude of disorders including obsession. Her rich and influential parents have basically programmed her into an enormous political stunt and the NPCs are eating her bullshit 4 times a day. Kek what a fucking grift
What normies downvoted this when they short circuited
I completely agree what she says. Those who don't are just plain ignorant. I even hear people saying they are annoyed by her... for that kind of people seems all help lost, selfish and no interest in our future at all
Huh? She IS annoying. She's a little girl who throws little girl tantrums, and that's annoying. Finding her unlikable doesn't make people ignorant. It just makes her ineffective. She's the messenger, and if people don't like her message then it's either her message or her delivery of the message that is flawed, not the people themselves.
I'm not talking of that side but of people who are annoyed of her fighting for the climate.
Always these haters... incredible
She is a political tool, young girl with difficulties. It looks good on the news, makes the UN look good and pushes an agenda.
Now I do believe that humans are having an affect on the climate, however I feel the over the top rhetoric is just driving people to assume that its all drivel.
She reflects the concerns of many regarding climate change and government/business failure to address this, but I can't help feeling it's form over content.
She says what is wrong but offers no detail or considered alternatives of her own - she recently stated the means of solution "is nothing to do with me". So what is she offering? She criticises older generations for not having acted sooner but seems to be exonerating her own generation of responsibility to act, happier to stand on the sidelines and come out with "blah blah blah" and "you can stick your climate crisis up your arse".
She has been great in putting the issue centre stage in the media but she needs to start offering solutions as well as slogans. Same goes for her supporters in the streets. Holding a banner saying "save the world" is not going to save the world.
Do you want my honest opinion of her? It's that she is a living example to illustrate my point that even a retarded person can see that climate change is real and accelerated by human activity.
But can a retarded person effectively deliver a message and instigate change to help cut down on climate change? That's the real question. Much of the reaction to her has been negative, so I would say the answer is a resounding "no", at least in Greta's case.
She obviously knows the subject matter, and I believe that she deserves better than being barraged and continually ridiculed. That's about enough I have my own issues with PTSD and have had my head caved in a few times so for 1 I don't mind getting my head caved in and 2 after a few time I learned how not to get my head caved it!
Does anybody seriously think that this whole multi-billion dollar PR campaign just sprouted up organically around a random Swedish girl?
Look up the previous owner of the yacht she used to sail to New York.
Then look up her mom and dad.
I agree with her that more needs to be done to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and promote environmental sustainability.
That said, I get the feeling that she is doing this more for the attention than for the environment. After all, she talked about how before this she was a loner and an oddity with no friends and now she is popular.
I think she is apolitical tool I agree with completely.
I actually want to correct myself. I agree with her and think she is a tool being used by climate change activists. Climate change is not a political issue, it is a global issue that will affect all political parties.
kind of sad really she should be enjoying her life not moaning about something that is more complex and totally beyond her control her parents should take her home now. before she really loses it completely my God what were thinking?
She’s completely right on climate change. I admire her efforts.
she's a political pawn, used for the purpose of pushing a futile agenda that lacks any real value!
I don't think the underlying agenda lacks value, but the person, the way she is presented, and her arguments certainly do. Humanity has had an impact on climate change. I think that is obvious at this point, but how she expects us to alter our lifestyles in ways that only rich people can afford and how she shames people in an attempt to get them to do what she wants betrays an underlying malice towards us. Also how she neglects any real scientific data or ignores technology that already exists that could cut emissions tenfold. No, she just wants us to make radical changes to our lives without any evidence to back it up.
well I dont give a f*** about climate change frankly... but I understand your points and I agree that she neglects evidence and data to back up her claims!
thanks for the logical reply!