Excellent distinction between what I now define as an extreme feminist and a gender equalist.
This makes a lot of sense to me. :/
What are the “extreme ones” doing that you don’t like?
I know you didn't ask me at all, @OddBeMe but to me this 4th wave of feminism as LittleBird says, contributes to inequality, oppression and hatred from both sides. Of course I'm not implying that all men hate women and vice versa, but that it slowly builds up to an intolerance (from some) towards each other instead of trying to complement one another. I'm sorry if I don't make any sense 😅
@rivjanel How is intolerance building up in your opinion? To me it seems men are getting pissed that their superiority is depleting.
In my case I can speak from my experience with my brother and my boyfriend. My brother is a highschool senior and honestly I've seen how girls and female teachers go all feminazi (making sexist jokes or saying men are only good for manual labor) over him and other male students, making them slowly turn away from any interaction with women and some negative feelings started to arise. My boyfriend had a girlfriend a few years back that turned out to be really oppressive and identified herself as a feminist, which takes from the actual movement and made him step away from women for a while.
As a man who deals with many different people and corporations in the world- have never experienced anything like that. If a high school teacher is treating a student like that she needs to be fired. And some girls can be verbally abusive to husbands. But stats primarily correspond to females being victims of this type of abuse. “Feminazis” is a buzzword for anti-feminists who want to take America back when it was great. Like 1950. Would you want to live in the fifties as a woman?
actions like emma watson doesn't help.
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the definitions of rights have changed though. Rights used to be about not being treated badlyNow it's about getting a bunch of free shit stolen from taxpayers
It's always been about money and power. And it still is.
All waves of feminism were bad for civilization. No one reads. Its frustrating.
Wave 1 wasn't bad was it?
Bit of clarification since i noticed i didn't argue the 40 hour thing properly. I am in favor of the freedom to devide a 40 hour work week however the couple chooses. But you should never have to both work on the same day to get by. Someone needs to look after the household.
Well said, I actually met a good feminist after a long time.I have seen women calling them as feminists either asking for superiarity or special status for women.
I second the opinion by @ragingumbreon. Excellent point.
Agreed, it has turned into a shit show with gender equalists like me feeling shame that I ever associated myself with them.
I am ashamed to call myself a feminist now, I've gone for gender equalist. It's always the action of a few that ruin it for the many. And I want to shake that stigma.
For them, the male is either the escape goat or the enemy and the source of their suffrage in western civilisation where men like me only want to see women happy, in good health, wealthy and successful. Now tell me this, what happens when extreme feminists shit on guys like me? How will I view the female gender thereafter?What they don't understand is that it is the same as a female being constantly verbally abused by men grows up hating and resenting men. Like I said, extreme feminists are ruining men like use for equalist women like you. We're lucky if we are gay and skip this shit show all together tbf.
When meninism also exists which feminists bash on and call them sexists.
Me too lad, which is why I am thinking of using the phrase "gender equalist" instead of male feminist as it no longer represents my intentions. Guys&Girls think I stand on podiums and shit on other men. Yeah, I think I'll be calling myself a gender equalist from now on.
Nice to know that, continue ur good work.
Thank you good sir, I will 👍🏻
It is women like that, that makes me wish I was gay and didn't have to deal with extreme feminists anymore. I go there as a gender equalist and get kicked out for being a man, what the actual fuck? I'd very happily be gay if it was a choice and say "you go fuck your gender and I'll go fuck people in mine" at least that will sort out the human population.
Its not generalizing if its what the group itself believes in. That would be like saying "Hey not all nazis hate jews! Only the extreme ones do!"
That’s part of being a nazi. You wouldn’t say “all men are rapists”
But its not generalizing to say feminism hates men when people are using feminist theory to showcase how feminism hates men.
So blaming all men and saying masculinity is toxic is a good thing? Feminist are so quick to say that men have all the power, while they continuously ostracizing men and making them your enemy. And yet feminists wonder why men don't like them, and that progress has slown down.🤪
@nathanp97 Noone is really blaming ALL men they just feel personally attacked if someone says just men, but noone ever said ALL men. Masculinity CAN be toxic, there is a difference. Of course not all things done with feminism or any radical movment will be right in every way but as i said there are no radical changes without some sacrifices and in this case real end goal justifies the means.
Being a man=masculinity, so when you attack masculinity you attack all men. They say men without specifying individuals which makes it all men. What gives women the right to define what is and isn't masculine? They aren't men. Are men allowed to define what is and isn't femine for women? If no radical change can occur without sacrifice, why does it seem like only men are be sacrificed? I don't see women's careers being ruined over false accusations of rape. I don't see women being expected to uphold the same traditional values in dating and relationships, while they still expect men to pay. I don't see men's problems being addressed. I don't see women being called sexist for bring up issues their gender faces. Men get 60% longer prison sentence , and there are more missing and murdered aboriginal men than women, yet no one seems to care; they only care about women, and that is to name a few. Instead feminists focus on things like the wage gap. They say it is discriminatory and part of the patriarchy when the ownly known factor for it comes down to choices women make. Younger women before 30 actually make more too. You do realize femininity can and is just as toxic as masculinity right? Why is that never addressed. What radical change do women still need to fight for in the developed world? If I want women to be held responsible for when they assault men, based on your logic, should I beat the crap out of them when they hit me once? If think less physical violence as a result would justify it. 🤪
@nathanp97 This is what we disagree on, masculinity isn't = men nor is femininity equal women. Those are social constructs in my opinion. If masculinity is shaming men for crying or shaming women for being assertive - that isn't natural and therefore its toxic. Natural is for everyone to cry and act in accordance with their personality. As of mens issues as you said it, you contradict ysf. First you say what women know about being a men to speak of it than you bash women for not talking about mens issues. Noone prevents men to talk about their issues. Everyone is concerned about their own issues, and it doesn't make sense to force and demand anyone to get involved in your own issues and be like your issue fixer. Men do this, they demand it from women and they put more effort into talking about how women talk about their issues and not mens. They try to talk about men issues on account of women talking about theirs. The real goal is to prevent women to talk about their issues, not to resolve mens issues. No men saw any problem for himself until women said their problems. You should rather talk about mens issues for the sake of men and not as a response to women talking about their issues.
"Not in my opinion. It’s foolish to judge the whole because of a few. " - you mean how feminists now do to men? At my job I hear at least 10 anti-male comments a day and we have to deal with sexist stabs and bullshit comments at every meeting. I'm supposed to just swallow that because if I say something I"m a "woman hater who hates strong women speaking up and expressing themselves". Feminism has become a joke and I"m glad more and more women are starting to speak against it. SJWism needs to end ASAP. I'm fucking nauseated by it.
You are a nut. I just explained why it's stupid to judge everyone based off what some do. Not all Feminists do that. Go be a fool somewhere else.
So all feminists don't believe in the wage gap being discriminatory?
@nathanp97 Making fun of someone because of their sex has nothing to do with feminism, in most cases it's just a joke, the same way men make fun fun of women (like for example saying that women's place is in the kitchen, in a joking way). We make gender jokes at work all the time, it's just like any other joke, no one takes it personally.
That didn't even remotely answer my question
I"m a nut? Hahaha what?
True. Very true, excellent point love.
MRA's, incels and MGTOW's are all completely different groups. In fact, these 3 groups actually hate each other and tend not to associate with one another. The only thing they have in common with eachother is that they're all a part of the manosphere.
I did not say they were one and the same. However, when men’s rights come up, a lot of people think of folks who have the “incel” or “mgtow” ideology. They are just stereotypes.
you know how many muslims are the first to condemn the actions of isis but populism promotes the view all muslims are terrorists
from what i've seen and been told by feminists-neither do they.
i saw something truly pathetic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYIZjv-l8BQ&t=18s any moron knows damn well what's going on here.
''equality'' my ass!
heh. both are stone-walling the very reason for their movement, but i feel like the women in the video did so so in a more obvious... pathetically so-way. what about us? we deal with the very same thing... what? never heard of trans men? well, you have now. even the very name is sexist and exclusive.
@Sabretooth I can't deal with people like that. They want you to acknowledge them, help them, respect them but will not reciprocate and will even walk all over you if you let them.
and that is coming from a female. hell, you would think they'd shout for joy about the boy scout and girl scout merger-EH!!! EH!!! WRONG!!! www.dailywire.com/.../feminists-are-worried-boy-scouts-are-stealing-emily-zanotti
@Sabretooth I was a girl scout. Its bullshit because these feminists are saying the girl scouts as an organisation is lesser than boy scouts.
i never was a boy scout-i was cool with the news.
@Sabretooth funny thing about that story is that before it was feminists pushing to get girls into boys scouts and celebrated when the boy scouts were forced into taking girls like it was a massive victory now they've u-turned once they remembered that girls have their own scouting organisations and that boy scouts taking girls means they are in direct competition with girl scouts for members. I mean you couldn't make it up. I doubt many of these feminists were ever girl scouts.
you: Feminism: the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.me: Santa Claus: also known as Saint Nicholas, Kris Kringle, Father Christmas, or simply Santa, is a legendary figure originating in Western Christian culture who is said to bring gifts to the homes of well-behaved children on the night of Christmas Eve (24 December) and the early morning hours of Christmas Day
meh, feminists have proven to have no foresight-you heard about emma watson's topless pic, right?
@Sabretooth yeah i heard of that, Chloe Grace mortez too giving kim Kardashian shit for posing semin naked yet does something similar
so, you want to men to stop sexualizing females by sexualizing yourself? ooooookay. all she did was give millions of guys jerk-off material.
@Sabretooth Well thats it. It was super hypocritical of them.
agreed-or, just short-sightedness. hey, wanna see a hilarious vid of a republican dogging trump? it's funny as hell.
i'm locked in a debate with feminist now... for about a week.
I'll believe that when feminists quit pushing for legislation that hurts men (ie the Duluth Model) as well as stop invading events organized by men and trying to shut them down or harass men attending these events.
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We need gender equalists to take back Control, and they can't be men, otherwise they just won't listen and say "we are being oppressed by men" it needs to be emotionally strong and confident female equalists. Otherwise, if this goes unchecked, extreme feminists will ruin men for female gender equalists to the extent that we'll be afraid to ask them on an innocent date.
Gender equalists lad, we need more of them. Muuuch more.
Feminism is all about hating men.Here is what some of the leading lights of Feminism said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzF-Q_ZEDg
I don’t care what they are saying, as the concept of man hating being feminist ideology is wrong, both factually and morally. Reported for spamming and blocked. Have a good day
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What rock music do you listen to?
Did you just say Nickelback is "classic"? lol
Are you sure you're not confusing them with a different band?
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