Is taxation theft?

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Taxation is theft

Taxation is not theft

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[SirRexington]

Oh boy, high school libertarian utopianism. Taxes are not theft. They are part of a social contract that binds us through cooperation, cohesion and community values. Are you a patriot? A nationalist? Congrats. You should support taxes. Love the police? The military? The fire department? Social security? Medicare? You support taxes.

In a capitalist society taxes are needed to provide for public services. Unless you're against public services. In which case you can take your primitive, woodman self into the wild away from civilization and never return.

Taxes are not inherently bad. The amount of taxation isn't either believe it or not. What matters is what they go towards. If we can actually get a government that works for US and not the big companies (who need to be taxed more) then we will actually see services being provided to us. Other countries have higher taxes than us but do better than us on almost all measures including entrepreneurship.

Let's not believe in the near anarcho-capitalist nonsense many are spewing. I used to. I was there. I've said everything that everyone else has said in the comments. Problem is, I'm not in highschool anymore. Im in the real world. I understand society better and how civilizations function. And also, don't like taxes? Become a socialist. Socialism doesn't need taxes. Why? Because in socialism everything is socially owned. And if that's the case then the need for taxes ceases to exist.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Taxation is not theft, its the payment of goods and services rendered for living in the society. Unreasonable taxation however is absolutely and always will be theft. So if you use a road you should pay for it, you use utilities you should pay for it, if you use police to protect your home and community, you should pay for it. Claiming that these services rendered do not deserve payment is no different then socialism i. e. you are taking some one elses work without justifiable compensation. Now if your living out in the woods and do not use any of these resources then you have every right to not pay taxes, but if your living in the society and using these resources then you have to pay for peoples labor.

That said, if those tax dollars are going to things you are not using, like welfare, then that is absolutely theft. If its being used for something you do not agree with and don't want to pay for (like private organizations getting bail outs or businesses like planned parenthood getting money even though you disagree with what they do) but they take your money and use it for that anyway, then that is also theft.

[ChgzDaniel]

Taxes go towards paying a fat government that doesn't care about the country, the destruction of buildings to replace them with ugly glass structures, police officers to sit on their ass all day long and fix roads that only ever seem to get worse. Basically, I can't do anything without paying for things I don't want or need. Hell yes it's theft, and life would be much better without it!

[Twalli]

You like anarchy. I will be sure to tell the fire department that you would prefer they don't put out the fire I set in your house.

[ChgzDaniel]

@Twalli Don't assume things about me. I am quite the opposite. I just don't like my money being stolen by Jews, I believe there is a more efficient substitute to paying Taxes and Nazi Germany was a great example of that. However, saying that out loud in public makes people feel ill of you because they have been taught that Jews are amazing and where slaughtered by the millions. It's all lies. Nobody is willing to see them.

[Twalli]

Actually the Holacoust was real. It happened. It wasn't exactly slaughter t huh ough. It was more like explorative murder.

[jeemm]

I personally feel like it's not theft.

Why? Taxation is an important source of revenue to keep most governments running. Without it they'd have to rely on other means which depending on the country might not be achievable.

[Gsm24diecast]

You realize the government takes your money through taxes to fund top secret CIA operations that kill innocent people day to day in other countries, or to create a war over inside jobs for Petro dollar... taxation is death 💀 and theft.

[jeemm]

@Gsm24diecast Didn't know my country had a CIA, there more you know I guess. USA however uses most of its tax income for military funding, not the same for Finland.

[Gsm24diecast]

Oh trust me, you have a cia type organization in your government, every country does

[jeemm]

@Gsm24diecast Even if that's the case most of our tax money goes to government funded facilities like hospitals and schools.

[Gsm24diecast]

Us military is one of the most advanced in the world, especially with our aircraft, we are 75-100 years ahead in defense technologies making us the most advanced than any other country, we had a top secret project known as A-12 oxcart program in the 60s... the Sr71 was finally declassified in the 90s after flying around for decades... we definitely have something else flying around, you don’t retire the best plane ✈️ without a replacement... they say most of the ufos spotted are most likely Us aircraft that are in classified development programs.

[Gsm24diecast]

All that is funded by tax payer money, hundreds maybe even thousands of top secret programs

[jeemm]

@Gsm24diecast Interesting for sure.

[Gsm24diecast]

I mean what do you think funded that’s cruise missile that hit the pentagon on 9/11,

there is one 3fps video of a thing hitting the building.

out of 6,500 experienced fighter pilots, small plane pilots, commercial pilots... not one of them could hit the pentagon on simulation like the way “the plane hit “, the supposed hijacker only had 6 months of training as a Cessna pilot... but can fly a 757 10 feet off of the ground into a building?

You would think that the pentagon would have hundreds of cameras, but only released the crappy footage... after all these years, we only have that one footage.

Donald Rumsfeld had a speech at the pentagon speaking about 2.3 trillion US dollars in defense transactions and transcripts missing from the pentagon on 9/10/2001 a day before it was hit.

That’s what tax payers money funds, evil and greed.

[jeemm]

What you claim to be the truth has little value from any point of view since I would have to first see some solid evidence to believe anything. Also I'm not really all that interested in whatever happens there.

[Gsm24diecast]

https://youtu.be/xU4GdHLUHwU

https://youtu.be/0SL2PzzOiF8

Decide your self

[Gsm24diecast]

Whoops

https://youtu.be/0SL2PzzOiF8

[Gsm24diecast]

https://youtu.be/xU4GdHLUHwU

[Gsm24diecast]

Not to mention this US patent affects every country that has a screen 📺... go ahead get your proof search this code on google US6506148B2

[jeemm]

Even if that patent does what it is said to do, how is US connected to other countries with it?

[Gsm24diecast]

Um it’s a national wide patent first off, secondly TV PROGRAMMING that’s what it’s called... come on it’s in the name...

[jeemm]

Are there chairs in the US? If so does that mean we built them or had any influence with the construction of them considering we build furniture here too?

[Gsm24diecast]

That patent has been around since 1967... and any TVs that are built anywhere have them... Television is television, doesn’t matter where it was made, every tv is mandatory equipped with it.

[Gsm24diecast]

Clearly you didn’t read the patent info geez

[Gsm24diecast]

Subliminal messaging happens everywhere , not just the United States

[jeemm]

But television was invented in 1927.

[Gsm24diecast]

And brainwashing began in 67... proggraming is world wide, wake up.

[Gsm24diecast]

Ever heard of MK ultra? If things like that exists, and this exists, why are you still fighting the thought that it doesn’t exist? When it clearly is happening every single day?

[jeemm]

I'm not fighting anything, if I'm brainwashed then okay. I don't really care but can you tell me how and what is the purpose of this brainwashing? When you say clearly, what do you mean? I haven't seen anything so clear that everyone should immediately see it.

[Gsm24diecast]

Um population control... keeping the reality of what’s going on behind closed doors... while everyone else is suppressed, why do they put fluoride in our water? Why do we get fed poison in our foods “genetically engineered bullshit” why do we get sprayed by NASA patented Geoenginerring nano aluminum particulates for weather control? Greed my friend, all these massive corporations sending subliminal messages in order to make money, look up subliminal messaging in commercials... they sell, sell, sell.

[jeemm]

Population control meaning what? Make everyone obedient and follow set rules etc?

[Gsm24diecast]

While we suffer, it will never change. Look how glued people are on their phones... people die over texts they would rather look down at a worded text, than keep focused on the road, endangering people’s lives, and their selves, that’s the reality of technology.

News/media is in on mind control/programming as well.

If people’s internet go out or data don’t work they get outrageously out of control/angry.

People are glued to devices, that’s what they want.

[Gsm24diecast]

Yes that would be part of it, keeping people suppressed from what’s actually going on, keeping our minds locked 🔒 rather than its full potential. Fluoride destroys your Third eye known as the pineal gland (which is used in dreaming) if we weren’t dosed daily, what could we unlock? Why are they dosing us with fluoride and other chemicals in our water?

[jeemm]

Daily? What about people who live in the wilderness and use natural water from the soil etc but are stupid as chunks of wood because they don't get proper education? How about before even electricity was invented?

[Gsm24diecast]

Look at the Egyptians and what they unlocked, they were advanced very advanced for their time, every country to this day uses methods from ancient Egypt in medical uses especially.

Why were the Egyptians so advanced? Look at the Egyptian hieroglyphs... they used their third eye 👁...

[jeemm]

How were the Egyptians advanced?

[Gsm24diecast]

Doesn’t matter chemical trails are in the air, which then drops to water, plants etc. This whole planet is dosed. You can thank Paris climate control

[Gsm24diecast]

I’m how were they advanced? Look at everything they did? Preserving methods used to this very day... they knew a lot. More than probably what we know.

[Gsm24diecast]

Paris climate agreement is the cause of the Geo engineering world wide.

[Gsm24diecast]

Ok well I’m off to stream have a good day! Peace ✌️

[jeemm]

The amount of facilities it would take to mass produce some substance and the machinery to make it blast it & scatter into the air we breathe would surely transcend the capabilities we have as humans and the amount of material this planet can hold. Then comes the other issues like the substance getting stuck in objects like leaves and buildings. I'd have to send some leaves to be studied somewhere to check if that theory holds true.

[Gsm24diecast]

They use airplanes ✈️

[Gsm24diecast]

Same concept as Project popeye or the operation known as agent orange.

[Gsm24diecast]

www.google.com/.../amp

They just use less lethal doses and other chemicals in modern day.

[jeemm]

Send some leaves to get studied and then show me the proof.

[jeemm]

Or better if you take samples from an animal lung.

[Gsm24diecast]

Read the article lol, it’s essentially Weather seeding to a maximum, with contracted airlines. It’s been proven in California as well, with high amounts of aluminum nano particulates.

Look at the California wild fires... they were so hot they melted cars to the ground...

Mother Nature has been poisoned.

[Gsm24diecast]

When Aluminum is mixed with water it’s a insane chemical reaction. Essentially explosive reaction. When they were trying to put those fires out, it got worse, and worse.

[Gsm24diecast]

You don’t need proof, look at the sky, look at the trails, test your own water. I guarantee you have fluoride in your tap water as well.

[jeemm]

I don't think you know how heat works. The burning causes heat and the heat melted the cars. Not some magic drug. You read something and it makes it real just because it matches with your theories? That's some next level paranoia.

[Gsm24diecast]

Research it yourself, don’t make others prove it for you. Do it your self, seek knowledge about it.

[Gsm24diecast]

NIST claimed that as well with the Word trade center collapses, I’m glad you can read. Sound like bs right?

[jeemm]

When you make claims you should be ready to back it up with factual evidence. If I had to research every single claim I've seen I'd die still reading about them.

[Gsm24diecast]

Lol I’ve given you proof, you haven’t read it.

[Gsm24diecast]

Anyway take care...

[jeemm]

You as well.

[Bananaman177]

It would be different if the taxation came with some representation, but just like in the Revolutionary days, they takes our money and spend it on shit we would NEVER agree to spend it on if we had any say. They claim it's for roads, but all the roads have potholes and all of our infrastructure is crumbling. So where's the money really going? Weapons for our enemies, and foreign aid for countries that hate our fucking guts. We give 38 billion a year to Israel and they literally hate us more than they hate Nazi Germany.

[Thatsamazing]

Well, if you're stupid, the answer is yes, and if you're not stupid, the answer is no. Apparently anyone answering "yes" has never graduated from the fourth grade, where your teacher talked about the Boston Tea Party and hammered the refrain of "no taxation without representation" into you. As in, yes, taxation *without representation* (you know, those things called Representatives and Senators that you vote for in Congress, and in your particular state) is theft. But since we do vote for our representatives, it's not. The reason this idiotic message exists now is simply because Americans are *lazy and stupid,* and don't feel like getting involved in "politics," whatever that means, and would rather complain about their representation than fix it or get involved in it.

[LordOfTheFries]

Sure, if you held me at gunpoint, demanded $20, then went out to buy me my favorite icecream, you still robbed me.

And it's too bad we can't choose where our contributions go. I don't like having to fund a global military when the U. S. should be a hermit country.

[SirRexington]

We do choose... That's why we elect politicians. That's why we need to limit big money influence so the people choose where are tax dollars go instead of large corporations.

[Rabbit_Hole]

Taxation is theft. Period. Some people don't have the intellect to scale down the concept and see it for what it is. The only focus on what they THINK it is primarily used for... Muh rOAds. When it's mostly used for (BLACK BUDGET PROGRAMS, BILLION DOLLAR SLUSH FUNDS (Red Cross,) INDOCTRINATION OF CHILDREN TO PREVENT THEM FROM THINKING FOR THEMSELVES, and of course... WAR!!!)

[FakeName123]

No, it isn't per se. Essentially the government is a business that has governing outsources by the population. Thus the population pays the government in return of getting something in return (governing, building infrastructure, etc).

The problem arises when the taxes are increased to a point that it's not worth the payoff anymore.

[SomeGUYonGAG]

No it goes towards keeping the society I live in functioning, like funding police, firefighters, medical care, infrastructure, military, etc. Sure there's a lot of things that tax dollars go to that I don't agree with, but I'd rather pay taxes than to drive over a crumbling bridge and hope it doesn't collapse because the road work wasn't funded or have to take the law into my own hands because we can't pay for police to do it.

[egarcia1360]

Wouldn't you rather just directly (and voluntarily) crowdfund the payments for contractors to build the roads? It's essentially the same process, but you only pay for what you want/need rather than for people to rule over and control you.

[SomeGUYonGAG]

@egarcia1360 Nobody's else is going to want to do that. Most people would rather let the world go to shit if it means keeping more money. You actually just explained how taxes were originally made in the first place.

[Anonymous]

It is when you have a system of democracy where everyone can vote even the people Paying no taxes at all other than taxes on money they were given.

Why should someone on welfare get to vote for more welfare for themselves and higher taxes on me when I'm the one paying the bills. That is that if you have only the people paying the bills voting then it's not but currently with our system of democracy taxation is theft

[ZeussLightningBolt]

Kind of.
Honestly, I think people who don't want to pay taxes, shouldn't have to.
Just put them on record, and provide any services for them that are funded through tax payer money.
I've only had to call an ambulance once in my life and STILL got charged for it. And I've never needed to call the fire department. Why should I pay for services I don't use?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

No. Taxation itself is not a thief. You are all living in a society with public services like the roads you use, streets you walk on to, public restrooms and etc. You aren't so free to go anywhere if everything is private. However corruption is theft. Not taxation itself.

[egarcia1360]

It is the forceful taking of property from non-consenting individuals, isn't it? Wrapping it up with a pretty bow and letting us "choose" which tyrant gets to spend our money for us every few years doesn't stop it being theft.

[BrexitAteMyLobster]

It is not theft, no. The money is not taken by deception and/or without our knowledge. If you could liken it to a crime it would be extortion, not theft.

[Jjpayne]

It's a necessary means for our society to function... It may not always used for our best interests but it's an important part of budgeting for cities and states...

[Jamie05rhs]

But they don't budget. They just tax more.

[Texaskid1]

Some of the comments below are interesting. Most seem to believe that taxation is theft and should be eliminated. But I bet they all use public services and infrastructure not to mention the tremendous number of services provided by the government.

[egarcia1360]

All services which could be provided by various competing entities if the state hadn't monopolized those industries.

[winterfox10]

Taxes pay for all kinds of things that make your daily life possible. It's true that taxes also pay government salaries and pensions and stuff, but they mostly fund the support structure needed to maintain daily life.

[Hannah591]

So how do people expect the country to run without any payments? Unless everyone wants to chip in to maintain society, taxes are important.

[reptocarl]

Some think it is theft but I look at it as more a forced purchase. They’re forcing you to buy military defense, paved roads, water, sewer, trash removal, all kinds of programs, public schools etc

[Liam_Hayden]

I suppose a case could be made that a tax on non-essentials is voluntary, but the income tax on labor is most certainly theft. In fact it's slavery - You are essentially required to work for free for several months.

[Games_]

Nope. If ur making money, you need to give back. stop being greedy. Athletes need to be taxed like crazy because they obviously aren't taxed enough, making 10 million off one game. The hell

[Philyouup]

you have representation in your government, elected people that represent you, in the USA it’s codified in the constitution as law. so no theft. No country /Government can run without taxes.

[cth96190]

Taxation is extortion.
If you doubt that, try not paying and see what happens to you.