P. S. Just to add, the hypocrisy in the discussion of this issue has been nothing short of breathtaking.The President, who is nothing if not self-absorbed and narcissistic with a streak of the Napoleon complex in him, claimed that he had the power to end the lockdown. Instantly, Governors and Mayors and even some Republicans - the latter of whom were at least being true to their small government principles - howled about power grabs.To avert a constitutional crisis - and perhaps realizing that the instant a President or Governor or Mayor ends a lockdown, all the fatalities that must inevitably follow will be blamed by the media on them - the President relented. In his "lockdown plan - which is really not a plan but guidelines - Mr. Trump left the discretion to the Governors and Mayors.Instantly, the Governors and Mayors and the media howled that the President was trying to foist the responsibility off on them. The very same responsibility that not one week before they had asserted was their's by constitutional right. What was it that Emerson said about foolish consistencies and little minds?
To be pedantic you can't state definitively that the president can not resend the lockdown order. There exist no statute that excludes that from executive power, at least specifically. Now if Trump does so it would definitely be challenged and go to the supreme court where it could be found to be outside presidential powers. That's ignoring federal emergency powers, but even those aren't absolute and even less constitutional. That I said, I do believe that the power to end the lockdown is outside the purview of the president. It just seems more likely that Trump backpedaled on his statements to avoid a timely constitutional conflict than anything else.
Sorry, replied to the wrong comment.
Actually there have been several models put forward on how to end the lockdown in a safe manner however as things stand they are all impossible to implement because they require more testing on the order of magnitudes and better coordination from the federal government.As for a similar historical event it would be the H1N1 outbreak in 1918 where USA did have a lockdown and mandated the wearing of facial masks to stop the spreading of the virus. Likewise there were people like you throwing a hissyfit over the whole event and made the disaster worse by demonstrating on the streets and refusing to follow the governments orders or wear face masks. Needless to say with predictably horrific consequences for everyone involved.
@Soteris - my point was that not one Govt entity has a specific plan for where we need to be before they open up the country. What levels need to be achieved, what expectations they have of how long it will take, and so forth. They certainly have not communicated their plans well to the people. I see no reason why places like Montana, Wyoming, or N. Dakota need any lockdown at all! Hell, even AK too! There's just no need for it.As for masks... like putting a screen door on a submarine and expecting it to work - concerning COVID. Other diseases, maybe sure. I definitely don't like wearing a mask at all, even when I'm woodworking. I do then, because I KNOW they'll stop me from breathing in fine dust. But not COVID.
There are plans available for them however as I said, without the cooperation from the federal government and white house not to mention a lot more testing there is no exit plan possible. The states simply can't do it by themselves. As for if its necessary in all states? Yes. The perfect time to institute a lockdown is when there are few cases and as long as the federal government does not organize this shit they can't selectively open up either without suffering another wave of infection. Its all or nothing more or less.As for the mask, dont get me wrong.. its not for your sake. All the n95 masks that provides protection has to go to the hospitals because the government failed to provide PPE to everyone. As a result you are stuck with regular masks, the kind that does not protect you from exposure. They do however protect OTHERS from YOU if you get sick. In other words if everyone had masks it would drastically reduce the rate of infection even if they technically dont protect the wearer.
Solid arguments: cause I can still buy food, it isn't a pandemic.
There isn't a set time when we can go back to normal. We can progressively open the country back up as long as the intrinsic growth rate of the virus is less than one.
Missinformation is better.
Better to open and pile up some dead corpses.
@es20490446e If that's what you think I'm saying, you need to read it again.
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Exactly my friend.
i'm not dem-but mainly, it's because trump supporters firmly denounce reality-a death cult.
@Sabretooth. Yes, that it's what MSNBC says so it must be true.
and everyone else not in this cult-including from my own personal experience
I am a conservative and I can respect Bernie Sanders although I vehemently disagree with his politics. I don't know any liberals who will admit that any conservative in power should be respected.
less so now with the younger generation-conservatives don't exactly have a good history-the younger gen sees that-even republicans know their days are numbered-it's why they make every attempt to stop it-even that moron trump admitted that if more people voted-republicans would never win again. i've seen reports of groups of republicans changing other people's vote. it's a double edged sword, now... not only do we have 2 similar candidates-even if trump loses the election-he still wins. my generation is gonna have to deal with more racial hatred and terrorists -watch these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEX81i02sLw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcvgrH2PG7A&t=1s , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFjVcNc2ybU , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLGEjCi23uA , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiStWaHGrDU , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QgE_yeA7-U , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7O2uHoOKaI , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Hc7sUcPEM , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_fDnUciAsQ , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhcXb77hkk4 those kids are breaking -the young see these things-and republicans in the senate are freaking out
I watched one video you linked. It is entitled something like "Trump immigration court expected 3 year old to represent herself.". HOW misleading!1. Immigration judges are employees of the DOJ. They are not appointed by the president.2. This particular judge has been in the DOJ for decades. Trump has no responsibility for this guy being a judge.3. The comments apparently were made while Obama was presidentI am not going to watch any more of these videos. This is precisely what Trump - and many others - call "fake news."
Because it's unflattering to trump. there's even been a video of a fox interview with trump saying he was selling our troops to Saudi Arabia-one even called that fake news. That argument holds no water
in fact, one woman asked why trump attacks the media-here's what he had to say: ‘You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.’” translation: it's all true... i just don't want my sheep to believe it.
So you don't care that the video promoted an idea that is not supported by and the facts it purports to present? If it is demeaning to Trump, that is all that matters?
unfortunately, it is supported by facts-these things have been known for a long time while quite a few talking about these things
if it's misleading-have youtube remove it.
tell me-do you know how the wall is being funded?
there retarted. i live in Canada. and its far wose here. our liberty our freedoms are striped away like a comunist country it is. gun laws are stupied. criminals dont care. i can just burn your house with a match.knife laws are dumb. i can take a car and run you over they incress tax. online shoping sucks shitand to add the nail in the coffin mass immigaration that screws the voteing polls. for example 100 true borns vs 500 new immigrants. of course immigrants will vote liberal nut jobs. they let them in after all..Canada is garbage.rather bee free and pay medical bills then to have universal health care. and no freedomtry calling somone one mam at work you get fired. or sir or miss. . you can't talk with out pissing some retard off.also phone bills insaneinternet rip offrenthouseingi could go on the list is long.also qubec is basically a prositute that ontario goverment pays to keep around. cus its good sex for them
tell me, does the name Joe Joyce mean anything to you?
If you try to tell me that Fox News killed him, that is just too stupid a claim to merit a response.
i'm saying their misinformation as well as the misinformation did-both trump and hannity share his blood because of how they downplayed it ''oh, the is a democratic hoax'', oh, this isn't as serious as the doctors and the media says'' ''oh, the numbers are wrong''. reports after reports show that the majority of fox news viewers don't take this virus seriously. trump was asked if he had in remorse for those who died as a result and true to form-he merely bragged about himself. your cares just enough about you and your brethren's lives to keep you alive for your votes-but won't shed a single tear if you die before then. you're in a death cult.
The same is try reporting on other networks. That reflects the misinformation campaign by the Chinese and WHO.
assuming the WHO has misinformed.
That is what we have been told by the media. They would not lie about something like that, would they? 😃😃😃
Trump never said it's unconstitutional. It was HIS policy. He is concerned about the impact this will have on the economy.
You're still a child, so these things don't concern you. You're happy you don't have to go to school, but other people have families to feed.You'd probably feel differently if your parents were out of a job.
ONE MORE THING!Why are ignorant DemocRATS unaware of the fact that Trump was democratically elected, and that you can't impeach a president simply because you don't like his policies?
January 31: The Trump Administration:Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.Announced Chinese travel restrictions.Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U. S. airports.February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U. S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus.
wrong on all counts. trump was given a memo in jan-he, of course, ignored it. as for that talking point about the dems being ''obsessing about impeachment'' you can thank McConnell's big mouth for utterly destroying it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAmm4zHyozA so IF the dems were, in fact, so obssest as per claim-how do you explain THIS? furthermore, as for all of trumps actions in regards to this virus-how do you explain THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjTaR748eg ?
Lol I’m not wrong, stop sending me your BS. 😂 that is a Federal Log dated on what our government officials were doing during the BS impeachment.
Why do i get a ticket for not wearing a sear belt or drinking and driving?
So lets go camping all together, dah.
And if Trump complains about the treatment of the protesters the governor should just show a picture of a migrant detention center.
Stay home and play some warfare games.
@es20490446e That's great if you have a job or are getting unemployment.
yep , it is a powder keg
You are off topic. Please move on.
The laws already have been in place for over 100 years. Ignorance again. smh
@ Asker Irrelevant how long the laws have been on the books. Most of them are inherently unconstitutional under the incorporation of the First Amendment under the 14th by the SCOTUS. You are also illogical. You brought up the alleged right of state and local governments to deprive liberties that are guaranteed by the Constitution. MrTaboo was spot on topic.
nor are they.
@Sabretooth Conservatives generally purport to be strict constitutionalists.
one actually told me ''the constitution ain't shit''
personally, i'm forced to agree with em.
I had preferred some feminazi.
Then you don't care about yout country or the world im general...
When voting my criteria isn't chosing the best, but the east bad.
Ikr? I said he's better. Not good
And 2nd, like here in Maryland.
@Sixgun77 No offense to you, or your state, but I have heard of bad things, in Maryland, with regards to Constitutional Rights!!I'm in Minnesota and they decided gun stores are 'essential businesses' as people have a need to defend themselves and their homes, now.
Glad to see that there is degrees.
in the constitution-10th amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
@Sabretooth that amendment has been mostly eviscerated by the Civil War.How’s your game going?
@Sabretooth the 1st amendment give people the right to assemble. So the 10th amendment says to state or the PEOPLE. It also doesn't mean the states can do whatever they want without making a law. The state would need to make a law, which they dont. Even if they did it would violate the first ammendment. So there is no law.
the states are doing this for the people... MOST
of us understand that. it's perfectly legal. i don't know who's been keeping up with current events-but there is a pandemic with thousands who have have it and thousands who have died. i'm at the point where i think most of protesters are simply just suicidal. yes, it gives them that right-that has not been taken-it should be at this point-more people will get sick and more will die.
@Gwenhwyfar and asker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH6L_8iIv1c
@Sabretooth so we just throw out the constitution because of a pandemic. I dont remeber reading that anywhere that it doesn't apply during a pandemic. This type of situation is exactly why the constitution was written.
that's not what they are doing-they're exercise their powers granted to them BY the constitution. but even if that were the case-who cares? no one-it's a talking point-republicans don't-one told me ''the constitution don't mean shit''.
@Sabretooth the first amendment clearly says the government can't do that.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. to which again, is not happening.
@Sabretooth seems pretty obvious the ability to freely practice religion and right to assemble is being violated. The First Amendment protects the freedom to peacefully assemble or gather together or associate with a group of people for social, economic, political or religious purposes. It also protects the right to protest the government
how many ''peaceful'' protests do you know that has protesters armed to the teeth? and again-they still have that right to do so-they shouldn't, however-they'll only make matters worse-but they don't care-they'll gladly die and take many with them.
@Sabretooth they were peaceful protests. Just because had guns doesn't make them violent. So we agree they have right to... so there is no law that allows the government to stop them.
You actually believe that b. s?
watch the video.
@Sabretooth churches are closed and people are talking about charging pastors for having service. People were peacefully gathering to protest the government violating the constitution. What you posted about the first amendment spells it out clearly
speaking of pastures-one who though he knew better died... not really helping your case. ''peacefully'' with weapons of war... sure. and again, no, the constitution is not being violated-they are working well within the constitution. do you even know what you're protesting? or are you just trying to be cool?
watch this: www.facebook.com/.../.....still ''peaceful''?
@Sabretooth thanks so after me asking maybe 10 times you posted a law in one state that per your source may not be constitutional. We will have to wait and see I expect the courts to shoot that law down. That's also only one state.I have not seen anything showing the protests were not peaceful. Just because the have guns doesn't make the violent. Know there is an amendment talking about owning guns.
@Sabretooth I actually agree with most of what you’re saying, but be careful about relying on the Tenth Amendment. That’s what the Confederates used to justify rebelling against the Union, and you can’t get more right-wing than those guys. I think the amendment you’re looking for is the Ninth Amendment, one of the primary justifications for the Griswold case (birth control) and Roe v. Wade (abortion rights).
@Gwenhwyfar it's a pretty insane time.
don't hold your breath. it said this was constitional and the supreme court has already ruled so in the past. you ARE aware that reopening too soon could cause a massive spike of those who has the virus and a died from and causing things to shut down again, correct? t don't count on that. hat issue had nothing to do with them wanting things to reopen. Again-you don't show up for peaceful protests with weapons of war... kinda defeats the purpose, don't ya think? Just made them look insane.. And what about the nurses being attacked?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z665kPUwuNo Goin' goin' goin' GONE!
it. was. only. a. matter. of. time.
I don't believe that. Media has cried wolf one time too many. I don't think death rate would be much higher.
Man your all over the place every time I post you are right there. This is the real deal not a conspiracy theory, there is no reason for our government to control us and why would they lie about the death rate? They want us to stay away from each other so they can knock it out the virus. Donald Trump wants to get us back to work as soon as possible. People have too much time on their hands everybody's got some type of a conclusion that there's a conspiracy theory about everything and that our government trying to kill us
There are many in Government. I trust Trump, but I don't trust the swamp which includes congress. I somewhat trust the Supreme Court. You are saying Government like one entity. Trump was right the first time. His mistake was letting the Media run with the football, if he got in front of it , he could have kept economy open.
I'm Talking about our government not other countries that are corrupt. I support Donald Trump. You can't keep everything open and allow millions of people to go to work it would be a disaster. Why do you think they're not playing big sporting events with big sell out crowds filling a stadium now? In Miami Dade County we have almost 10,000 people that have the coronavirus right in my city
If that is the case , you can never allow people in a stadium again. If you are going to make seats 6 feet apart , a sell out will be 20,000 people.
Yes and i feel like I'm smart when i talk about how much i hate trump even though I'm not😃😃
yep just say you will die and they get in fetal position. Most Americans can't think for themselves and have been indoctrinated by teachers, and professors.
I love that I get down votes on this. LOL Probably just ignorant trumpers who think he's king and don't know the rules. How do they find their way home?
That's my concern. Patriot act, anyone?
But, how do we know if we are stupid? I need to know if I should be offended or not.
@honestGUY45 Cause I say so.
If your name was "numskull" it would be more accurate.
nopeif your name was, itd be appropriate