It is not just Trump supporters - the self-satisfied phrasing of the question notwithstanding. Americans are notoriously poorly educated about their government and how it works. Indeed, younger Americans being far worse that the elders whom they robustly and routinely, not to say almost ritualistically, criticize.
Indeed, a recent survey found the 2/3 of all Americans could not name their Senators, let alone their Representatives. Barely half could identify the First Amendment. The list goes on.
Thus it is none too surprising that there would be uncertainty regarding where the power to end the lockdown resides. Indeed, there is actually some dispute in this question. It being recalled that the President has the power - with Congress - to regulate interstate commerce. Indeed, it was this power - somewhat generously construed by the Supreme Court in contravention of historical practice to that time - that allowed the Federal government to end the segregated facilities of the Jim Crow south.
Please note, it was NOT the rights enumerated in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights on which basis that segregation and equal voting rights were granted. Rather, it was the power of the Federal government to argue that as a restaurant might serve patrons from other states and buy supplies manufactured or grown in another state that allowed Washington to say, in the name of the regulation of interstate commerce, so therefore Washington had the power to outlaw segregation and indeed pass the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Act.
Please note then, contrary to the smug tone of the question, that ending the lockdown and where the authority to do so resides is a more complex issue than is assumed. Historically, public health issues - like segregation before it - has resided in the realm of state and local governments.
Had the President wished to, he could have pressed the issue on the basis of the power to regulate interstate commerce as the courts - let alone the Supreme Court - have never ruled on the question. However, it would have provoked a constitutional crisis amidst a pandemic - and alienated the President's Reaganite conservative supporters in the bargain. (Though perhaps not his lower middle class/blue collar supporters who historically have been Democrats but jumped to Mr. Trump in 2016.) So the President ultimately backed down.
Suffice to say, the tone of the question notwithstanding, this is a less obvious issue than it was treated in the media. A power historically assumed to reside in state and local governments but subject, at least in theory to regulation under the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution but never tested in the courts.
Suffice to say, in a country where 2/3 of the population cannot even name their Senators, it is a bit much to expect that it would understand the nuances of where the power to end a lockdown resides. Suffice to say that it is safe to assume the same is true of the asker of this question.
P. S. Just to add, the hypocrisy in the discussion of this issue has been nothing short of breathtaking.
The President, who is nothing if not self-absorbed and narcissistic with a streak of the Napoleon complex in him, claimed that he had the power to end the lockdown. Instantly, Governors and Mayors and even some Republicans - the latter of whom were at least being true to their small government principles - howled about power grabs.
To avert a constitutional crisis - and perhaps realizing that the instant a President or Governor or Mayor ends a lockdown, all the fatalities that must inevitably follow will be blamed by the media on them - the President relented. In his "lockdown plan - which is really not a plan but guidelines - Mr. Trump left the discretion to the Governors and Mayors.
Instantly, the Governors and Mayors and the media howled that the President was trying to foist the responsibility off on them. The very same responsibility that not one week before they had asserted was their's by constitutional right.
What was it that Emerson said about foolish consistencies and little minds?
To be pedantic you can't state definitively that the president can not resend the lockdown order. There exist no statute that excludes that from executive power, at least specifically. Now if Trump does so it would definitely be challenged and go to the supreme court where it could be found to be outside presidential powers. That's ignoring federal emergency powers, but even those aren't absolute and even less constitutional.
That I said, I do believe that the power to end the lockdown is outside the purview of the president. It just seems more likely that Trump backpedaled on his statements to avoid a timely constitutional conflict than anything else.
I voted FOR Trump. The Govt DOES have Executive Powers to lock down people during a quarantine. However, this is NOT a quarantine. During a quarantine, you cannot go out and buy food. You cannot go put gas in your car, or go to your place of employment. You cannot go to the corner convenience gas station/store and get coffee. What's going on is fear, confusion, uncertainty, doubt, tumult, and near total chaos!
Not ONE govt entity (city, state, or federal level) has specifically identified the conditions we need to have before this "lockdown" can end. NONE! In other words, they don't have a PLAN! They NEVER thought about it that far ahead!
All you liberals and anti-Trump types all claim to believe in science. Since it was the damn Doctors who made this decision to keep everyone home. What's their determination WHEN we can go back to NORMAL life. This current bullshit is definitely NOT "normal". Honestly, if we left these decisions to the idiot Docs making policy, we'd all continue this lockdown forever.
Name ONE pandemic we've had in the US for the past 100+ years where people were told to stay home and not go. anywhere? The Spanish Flu? Tuberculosis? Polio? Scarlet fever? H1N1? It's time to open up the country and let us live our lives. This is bullshit. If you want to live like this, fine. No one's going to stop you. The other 98.7% of us would like to go on living again.
Actually there have been several models put forward on how to end the lockdown in a safe manner however as things stand they are all impossible to implement because they require more testing on the order of magnitudes and better coordination from the federal government.
As for a similar historical event it would be the H1N1 outbreak in 1918 where USA did have a lockdown and mandated the wearing of facial masks to stop the spreading of the virus. Likewise there were people like you throwing a hissyfit over the whole event and made the disaster worse by demonstrating on the streets and refusing to follow the governments orders or wear face masks. Needless to say with predictably horrific consequences for everyone involved.
@Soteris - my point was that not one Govt entity has a specific plan for where we need to be before they open up the country. What levels need to be achieved, what expectations they have of how long it will take, and so forth. They certainly have not communicated their plans well to the people. I see no reason why places like Montana, Wyoming, or N. Dakota need any lockdown at all! Hell, even AK too! There's just no need for it.
As for masks... like putting a screen door on a submarine and expecting it to work - concerning COVID. Other diseases, maybe sure. I definitely don't like wearing a mask at all, even when I'm woodworking. I do then, because I KNOW they'll stop me from breathing in fine dust. But not COVID.
There are plans available for them however as I said, without the cooperation from the federal government and white house not to mention a lot more testing there is no exit plan possible. The states simply can't do it by themselves. As for if its necessary in all states? Yes. The perfect time to institute a lockdown is when there are few cases and as long as the federal government does not organize this shit they can't selectively open up either without suffering another wave of infection. Its all or nothing more or less.
As for the mask, dont get me wrong.. its not for your sake. All the n95 masks that provides protection has to go to the hospitals because the government failed to provide PPE to everyone. As a result you are stuck with regular masks, the kind that does not protect you from exposure. They do however protect OTHERS from YOU if you get sick. In other words if everyone had masks it would drastically reduce the rate of infection even if they technically dont protect the wearer.
There isn't a set time when we can go back to normal. We can progressively open the country back up as long as the intrinsic growth rate of the virus is less than one.
First there's the shit school system. I have spoken to other people my age in America and it was painful. In all countries when you learn about the country you live in you're seen as the good guy. Some Americans genuinely believe Christopher Columbus was a great guy. *sexual assault and pillaging intensifies* This propaganda making trump seem great is what blind people from the reality he's a pussy grabbing fuckwit. You have to pity trump supporters because they were taken advantage of by the media. Even I believe in things because I was manipulated into thinking it was true. If they provided basic education about the spread of diseases and illnesses we might be able to knock some sense into some trump supporters.
Why do some people attribute every behavior they disagree with to "Trump supporters"? Firstly, most Trump supporters don't think this. Secondly, it's not only people on the right that oppose this ongoing quarantine. I myself count myself to be more on the right and my complaint is that the order in my state has no teeth. It's a half assed measure that loosely allows a lot of things to stay open while killing businesses that are forced to close. People aren't staying home. They're flooding grocery stores and home improvement stores.
I am a conservative and I can respect Bernie Sanders although I vehemently disagree with his politics. I don't know any liberals who will admit that any conservative in power should be respected.
Because it's unflattering to trump. there's even been a video of a fox interview with trump saying he was selling our troops to Saudi Arabia-one even called that fake news. That argument holds no water
in fact, one woman asked why trump attacks the media-here's what he had to say: ‘You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.’” translation: it's all true... i just don't want my sheep to believe it.
So you don't care that the video promoted an idea that is not supported by and the facts it purports to present? If it is demeaning to Trump, that is all that matters?
there retarted. i live in Canada. and its far wose here. our liberty our freedoms are striped away like a comunist country it is. gun laws are stupied. criminals dont care. i can just burn your house with a match. knife laws are dumb. i can take a car and run you over they incress tax. online shoping sucks shit and to add the nail in the coffin mass immigaration that screws the voteing polls.
for example 100 true borns vs 500 new immigrants. of course immigrants will vote liberal nut jobs. they let them in after all..
Canada is garbage.
rather bee free and pay medical bills then to have universal health care. and no freedom try calling somone one mam at work you get fired. or sir or miss. . you can't talk with out pissing some retard off. also phone bills insane internet rip off rent houseing i could go on the list is long. also qubec is basically a prositute that ontario goverment pays to keep around. cus its good sex for them
i'm saying their misinformation as well as the misinformation did-both trump and hannity share his blood because of how they downplayed it ''oh, the is a democratic hoax'', oh, this isn't as serious as the doctors and the media says'' ''oh, the numbers are wrong''. reports after reports show that the majority of fox news viewers don't take this virus seriously. trump was asked if he had in remorse for those who died as a result and true to form-he merely bragged about himself. your cares just enough about you and your brethren's lives to keep you alive for your votes-but won't shed a single tear if you die before then. you're in a death cult.
Trump Supporters don't actually "like" donald trump.
We voted for trump just to keep baby-murdering, homosexual loving democrats out of office.
This time I'm voting "none of the above" because I'm boycotting the popular vote.
I think Donald Trump is the dumbest president ever and he's also a habitual liar and hypocrite, but that makes him more moral than an evil bitch who wants to murder more babies, such as Hilary Clinton, or Joe Biden.
States can do whatever they want to do within their own state, but the commerce clause gives Congress the power to regulate ALL interstate commerce, including the internet and phones, which they've used on occasion, such as back when they broke up BellSouth*. They usually delegate this power to the President though.
*Congress also has the power to revoke patents and sell them to the lowest bidder, as Patents are "for a limited time" not indefinite (See the Constitution). So Patents re not intended to give corporations permanent ownership of technology rights. Technology is supposed to become public domain after a limited time, such as seven years for the researchers to make a small profit off their research. Congress already revokes patents of drugs when they allow generic versions of drugs to be manufactured and sold, usually after ten years of the name brand drug being sold for a 1000% markup price..
So anyway, Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce, and Congress has power over all waterways, so Congress may as well be the State Government of extremely wet states, such as Louisiana and Florida, because damn near everything is a water way anyway.
I'm not as ignorant as most Trump supporters. I am perfectly aware that they can do this in the interest of public safety, but it's still annoying as hell. I guess these protesters think citing the Constitution will be more effective. I don't blame people for wanting to get back to work and socializing! A lot of these Trump supporters are outdoorsmen, and in California they can't even go out on their boats anymore. Who is a boater gonna infect? Fish?
Some of these states' regulations are quite ridiculous, so you can't just criticize the protesters without looking at the full picture and knowing exactly what regulations these states have imposed.
But also, these protests aren't as large as the media is making them seem. And you don't have to agree with them, but you should at least understand why these people are angry. The only thing I don't understand is why some of them find it necessary to bring their guns.
Another harsh truth is, the DemocRATS are in no hurry to get back to work. They LOVE being able to sit around and do nothing and get a check from the government.
You're still a child, so these things don't concern you. You're happy you don't have to go to school, but other people have families to feed. You'd probably feel differently if your parents were out of a job.
ONE MORE THING! Why are ignorant DemocRATS unaware of the fact that Trump was democratically elected, and that you can't impeach a president simply because you don't like his policies?
We live under a democracy, and the federal government enforcing us to stay inside and stripping us of our fundamental rights is unconstitutional. This shut-down has caused over 20 million Americans to become unemployed, and the government is saying you can't work anymore while they have families to feed. They stripped Americans of their ability to work or even socialize. The defense act is actually giving power to the federal government to tell an entire company or large corporation that they now have to make parts for ventilators. Imagine you run a business, and you're doing well working on projects getting ahead. Then the big government comes in and takes whatever you're doing saying "You work on this now." I get why these things are happening, but if we're going off of what our founding fathers had in mind, that is absolutely unconstitutional. Delegating the power towards smaller government is much more... American. Totalitarian governments operate like China can mandate this, but we again live in a democracy. If you study American history, you'll see that there's a lot of truth in this claim. I think it's stupid to blindly insult the intelligence of everyone else who has differing political views than yourself.
Here's what Trump was doing about coronavirus while Democrats, liberals and their media were obsessing about impeachment:
December 31: China reports the discovery of the coronavirus to the World Health Organization. January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus. January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus. January 11: The CDC issued a Level I travel health notice for Wuhan, China. January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U. S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles. January 20: Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus. January 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response. January 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test. January 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus. January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President.
The ONLY thing you heard out of the Democrats at that time was impeachment. Now they are blaming the president. Where were they? Trying to impeach a president and calling travel bans (that probably saved many lives) racist.
January 31: The Trump Administration: Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency. Announced Chinese travel restrictions. Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus. January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U. S. airports. February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U. S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government. February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus.
wrong on all counts. trump was given a memo in jan-he, of course, ignored it. as for that talking point about the dems being ''obsessing about impeachment'' you can thank McConnell's big mouth for utterly destroying it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAmm4zHyozA so IF the dems were, in fact, so obssest as per claim-how do you explain THIS? furthermore, as for all of trumps actions in regards to this virus-how do you explain THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTjTaR748eg ?
Because here in the UK no such laws existed they had to be created.
Doing that in the USA IS unconsitutional because it is in direct conflict with the first amendment which states:
The First Amendment (1791) prohibits Congress from obstructing the exercise of certain individual freedoms: freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and right to petition. Its Free Exercise Clause guarantees a person's right to hold whatever religious beliefs he or she wants, and to freely exercise that belief, and its Establishment Clause prevents the federal government from creating an official national church or favoring one set of religious beliefs over another. The amendment guarantees an individual's right to express and to be exposed to a wide range of opinions and views. It was intended to ensure a free exchange of ideas, even unpopular ones. It also guarantees an individual's right to physically gather or associate with others in groups for economic, political or religious purposes. Additionally, it guarantees an individual's right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
So, no, you cannot deny people the freedom to protest government etc because, CONGRESS, thats the government is PROHIBITED, that means they can't do it, from doing things like that.
So you are the ignorant one and THIS, what you are doing right now is EXACTLY how freedoms are lost and if you dont support these ideas, then shut the fuck up, because why should you speak or be heard if you would deny others the same?
Now i dont know, i haven't been following it, its likely that the US government has made a law which says your have to obey the quarantine or else but that doesn't make it valid, the first amendment very deliberately and clearly states that the government of the united states DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.
Because you are the one who is ignorant. The state and local governments are restrained by the 1st Amendment under the 14th Amendment. Here are the exact cases that established this:
1. Guarantee against the establishment of religion: Everson v Board of Education, 330 U. S. 1 (1947) 2. Free Exercise of Religion: Hamilton v. Regents of the University of California, 293 U. S. 245 (1934), Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U. S. 296 (1940) 3. Freedom of Speech: Gitlow v. New York 268 U. S. 652 (1925) 4. Freedom of the Press: Near v. Minnesota 283 U. S. 697 (1931) 5. Right of Assembly and Petition: DeJonge v. Oregon 299 U. S. 353 (1937) 6. Freedom of expressive association: Even though not directly mentioned in the Amendment, See Roberts v. United States Jaycees 468 U. S. 609 (1984) where the court states that “implicit in the right to engage in activities protected by the First Amendment is a corresponding right to associate with others in pursuit of wide variety of political, social, economic, educational, religious and cultural ends.”
The bigger question is: Why are people readily available to hand over their freedom that the constitution helps them obtain? It's a bit ironic that the people who express individual freedom and liberties such deciding to just change how you identify your gender and even race are easily swayed to imprison yourself. You people will be the first in line to get your mandatory vaccines and then stick your hand out to get chipped. Yet turn around and express your "liberal freedoms" you just gave away. You watch 24/7 news expressing hate for the (one man) who is standing in the middle of and against the sea of NWO henchmen lining up to steal every bit of freedom and expression away from you.
Don't liberals see how they turned your idealistic mindset around on you in ONE WEEK?
The ones protesting are the ONLY ones fighting for YOUR freedoms.
Okay well first, no one has really argued that to my knowledge and Trump has even stated its up to the states to decide how they deal with this. Second, while state rights are enshrined in the constitutions, so are individual rights so claiming that states have the right to violate the individual rights of the people is completely false both legally speaking (as this has never been contested in court so we don't have a legal precedence determining which groups rights supercede the other), we also can say its completely false because the government is put in charge by the people to serve the people so if the people decide they don't agree with what is happening then the government looses all legitimacy and thus legal power over the people (that's how we became a nation to begin with).
I don’t know… You’d think with all the push to pursue illegal immigrants and deport them that they’d at least look into police powers and how they can be used to regulate behavior for the betterment of health, safety, and general welfare of the population. In my state public health emergencies can be declared by the state health officer for 60 days and then can be renewed by the governor every 60 days. That can lead to isolation orders, quarantine, closure of premises, and even forced medical treatment and vaccination. I don’t know every state's laws, but my government is acting well within the law.
And of course, science points out that is not a bright thing to do. A recent study in The Journal of the American Medical Association. It turns out the most commonplace patients were infected -- their homes. Eighty percent of outbreaks began in the home, 34 percent of new cases began in public transportation. The number outside 6%. Here's the conclusion: "All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major infection risk."
If they're violating social distancing, quarantine their ass. They can keep protesting (no I'm not trying to silence dissent) just don't let them put the lives of others at stake because they are so entitled that they think their freedom to socialize (in person; people can assemble virtually now for those of you who bitch about how the stay at home orders are "unconstitutional) is more important is more important than the freedom of the vulnerable part of our population to perform essential task without the fear of dying.
I'm playing devil's advocate for You I have the right to assemble it's my first amendment and it's not granted by government as the Constitution say but by a Creator when did government usurp the Creator's power? If I work a risky job the government doesn't stop me why should it now?
If it's not unconstitutional, it should be. Luckily for me, I'm not a conservative, and am thus not bound to the constitution in the way they are. I never gave a damn about a 300 year old document. I give a damn about individual rights. It's just convenient that the constitution usually protects individual rights. When it doesn't, it should be disregarded.
Republicans are all about less government and civil rights. Right wingers see any intrusion into civil rights as a slippery slope to serfdom. It's not that they are "ignorant." They just have strong political views on protecting civil freedoms.
Trump supporters are the dumbest people alive. They’re an embarrassment to mankind. The president himself is an idiot who is incapable of running this country let alone trying to properly control a virus 😕. His supporters are just as ignorant as he is... these fools don’t realize the severity of what’s going on.
It's like when democrats get mad at the states for doing things opposed to what thier President wants. People only care about the powers afforded to them when it's FOR THEIR side.
What's funny is Trump isn't even demanding states to reopen, just that they do what they feel is best for THEIR people.
Executive orders are questionable gray areas. One can argue that government can “force” it’s United States citizenry todo this or that all day long, in the end, the population still has the final word, not government. That’s what makes the United States, the United States. Just ask England.
ignorance is usually caused by a lack of knowledge xD and there's a huge lack of knowledge in the population. probably cause education budgets are cut left right and center while the education system is undermined by religious ideologues, that have no interest in truth.
like if there's still a serious discussion about whether the earth is only 6000 years old and "created by a creator", i can only imagine how uneducated and ignorant the population is to even complexer issues.
Based on what? How can they FORCE quarantines? Some state's unconstitutional laws that deprive people of rights, ignoring the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments? Please tell me, and site the legal cases!
@Sixgun77 No offense to you, or your state, but I have heard of bad things, in Maryland, with regards to Constitutional Rights!! I'm in Minnesota and they decided gun stores are 'essential businesses' as people have a need to defend themselves and their homes, now.
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