It's a debatable topic, some thinks it's about killing the lifes and is crime. Some thinks it is a right, if the pregnancy is unwanted, under-aged etc. What do you think?
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Personally, I would say that it shouldn't be banned because if it does, people continue to do so illegally which is not healthy and not safe. Maybe instead of ban, governments can educate people on that, give support to them.
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Do you think abortion should be banned, why or why not?
I dont think it should be legal. Once an embryo is created and starts to grow I consider that life. I understand scientists dont consider it human until certain features/processes develop, but does that really make it not human? Is it not a human growing in the womb? I feel like the focus on language/terminology displaces the fact it is a living thing. The baby is constantly feeding and maturing in the womb so to me it is a living being regardless of terminology. Thus aborting it would be to kill a living being. Also i have known a few women who went through the procedure and were traumatized. Its not an easy thing to go through at all. I also do feel as a living thing the baby has a right to live. Its easy to say the quality of life circumstance would be bad so its not worth it, but they still may create a beautiful life of their own. Its very difficult to say whether life is worth it, thats a very complicated question that I dont believe we should answer for someone else.
The process I also feel is inhumane. A lot of clinics end up crushing the baby or taking it out peice by peice. That is really sickening to me. I watched and read lots of interviews from people who owned private clinics and people who worked for planned parenthood. They dont always use clean tools, and a lot of times they can accidentally create medical complications in the mother. These statistics are covered up as much as possible because of the sensitivity of abortion. Planned parenthood also gets into the school system with sex ed and promotes abortion to young people. They say they care about the mother's rights but its all about dollar signs. There are so many instances you can look up, that company is very manipulative. Not all clinics of coarse are like this, but a good amount can be. I think it really is a nasty business. I've had friends who were on the fence and doctors sensed it. So they manipulated them and rushed them into a procedure. Afterwards they regretted it for years and still live with guilt. If it is going to stay legal, we have to crack down on this stuff. A mother should never be pressured into that. The fact that scientists get to decide when you can properly label the fetus a human so that thousands of babies can die sort of disturbs me. Its a living being either way. So i believe it should be illegal for most cases. But if someone was raped or was going to have a serious/life threatening circumstance then i would say it could be legal. I can't imagine how difficult that would be.
You can't realistically ban abortion for several reasons but, ultimately, these are the 4 big reasons:
1. It won't stop abortions; they'll just be performed privately in the underground economy just like they were before Roe v. Wade.
2. Roe v. Wade won't be overturned (but may be reinterpreted/modified) because there is a right to privacy.
3. If Roe v. Wade was overturned, then, legally, this is saying that the rights of the unborn are greater than the rights of the pregnant mother and that, since the unborn can't talk, the State speaks for the unborn. Thus, what happens legally is that pregnant becomes a slave to her own womb. For instance, the State will ascertain that smoking is harmful to the fetus, so selling cigarettes to a pregnant woman or her buying them becomes a crime. Same with alcohol. Why stop there? Pregnant women eating foods bad for them like can contribute to birth defects have to be banned also. Indeed, maybe the State ought to have a definitive list of approved foods for pregnant women and limit what they can legally buy or consume. Why stop there? Pregnant women shouldn't drive either - she might get into an accident and kill the baby. Why stop there? Pregnant women can fall down in homes or buildings with stairs resulting in a miscarriage, so maybe during the pregnancy, they should be forced to live in single-floor dormitories. And, maybe that last month, they should be bedridden... Understand?
4. Women vote and once they realize that their rights are being excessively infringed or that the State is getting out of control, they'll vote to get those politicians out. Already, women tend to vote for Democrats over Republicans anyway primarily because of this issue. So, the only way to stop them would be to repeal the 19th Amendment and that can only happen by ratifying another Amendment and that would require 38 states to approve. There are more than 12 blue states, so that won't happen.
Notice all the women who answered here at this G@G question who overwhelmingly state that abortion should not be banned. That just shows how solid this opinion is with women and, if you piss them off, they'll vote accordingly.
@KrakenAttackin Of course, that's what every pro-choice woman wants to do, go through nine months of increasing discomfort in order to kill it at the last minute, while it's still legal!
(I realise that right wingers don't understand the concept of sarcasm, they think it's just a word that means the other person misunderstood what they said, however: that was sarcasm.)
It shouldn’t be banned. We need to live in a world that respects a woman’s authority to make the decision herself regardless of what anyone else might feel about it.
I'll listen to GOD and offend the world and all the females in it before I will offend GOD. It's just plain murder no matter how you sugar coat it. If wrongs were truthfully mean to be rights , then there wouldn't be a need to oppose and protest.
Such as saying by all scientific standards a fetus is alive, composed of humans DNA, which is distinct from thre mothers. Or abortion access can not be substantiated into law. Or how it shouldn't be endorsed or promoted by society at large.
Others , as in the anti-christ , all those who oppose , the frozen chosen , the herd instinct of extremists or the evil Eve's of secular society? Are these those who will do as they see fit?
From a personal standpoint, I don't agree with abortions apart from a few exceptions (rape, underage, risk of mother's life). I don't agree with the whole 'my body, my choice' argument simply because whilst the fetus grows inside of the your body, it in itself is not your body because it is developing its own organs, is capable of having its own blood type and has its own heartbeat. It begins to form in its own recognizable human body. In the case of rape, the woman did not consent to any sexual activity and I don't think she shouldn't have to 'own up' to any responsibility or look at a child's face everyday that resembles her attacker. But in these cases, I think the best thing to do would be (if possible) to see care at a hospital or organisation after the rape and get a morning after pill or something similar which should prevent a pregnancy altogether, or at least monitor the possibility of pregnancy if you know you would abort in this situation so it can be done as early as possible. In cases of the mother's life being in danger, I would see an abortion at any stage, although very sad, as a side effect of saving the mother. They are both life, but I believe the mother would precedence as she is already a person existing outside the womb who people already know and love, plus if her life is in danger and she continues the pregnancy, there is a chance neither will make it anyway. In underage cases, girls' bodies may simply be too underdeveloped to handle carrying and delivering a full-term baby. This could have implications to their health.
So, whilst I disagree generally, I don't think they should be banned. This would only pave the way for dangerous back street abortions. They will always happen. And I obviously think that it should be there for the above rare reasons. But, I do believe the limit should be lowered. With modern technology and medicine, there have been babies born at 24 weeks who are viable outside of the womb and go on to live healthy lives. I can't remember the limit for the US (it might differ in different states) but in the UK you can have one up to 23 weeks. I strongly disagree with that. But they shouldn't be banned altogether.
Yes and no. There is controversy over when a fetus is considered living. There is so much to consider. If a mother wants an abortion and can not get one, the infant could be born into a hostile environment, they could be given to an orphanage, or worse. Yes it was the mother’s choice to conceive a child but accidents happen. Rape happens, unprotected sex happens, so should a woman have to go through the pain and responsibility of having a child if she doesn’t want one under these circumstances? No. Again, there are other options for women that want to get an abortion but can’t under their state’s law.
If a child is conceived accidentally (aka unprotected sex) then I believe that before a particular time during pregnancy (when the fetus is considered “living”), she can have an abortion. If the child is conceived without consent (aka rape), then the woman should have the right to get an abortion.
again there is a lot to consider and that is why this topic is so debatable because not everyone can agree on one possibility when dealing with abortion laws and rights.
Honestly don't know. I personally don't agree with it and would never do it no matter what. I feel really strongly against it and i don't think women are not educated enough on the facts of abortion and look at it as their only option when it comes to not wanting to take responsibility for their unborn child.
I myself died after birth and was resuscitated. My mother was warned there could be some issues but she still gave me a chance and never gave up on me and i see her as extremely brave for that and am grateful for her unconditional love even before i was born.
I would never judge a woman who did have abortion unless it was for a stupid reason or she didn't take it seriously.
I think if we banned it, it would only make matters worse and more dangerous with women going down different roots to kill their baby. But at the end of the i see abortion as something that will scar you for life and traumatise you for the rest of your life, there is no happy outcome whilst with not having abortion. Whilst if you do go ahead with the birth you can tell yourself that you were brave abd that even if your not in the childs life you've gave that child a chance at life and has potential to not let what happened with their mother define them of the person in the future.
Did you know that there is a push now in the multi-million dollar child slaughter industry to make it legal to murder the child up to 3 years old? ... I'll bet you didn't.
Why is the most dangerous place on the planet for a baby in it's mothers womb?
If a fetus is not human and you eliminated every human fetus on the planet for the next 100 years... what would then be human?
Murder is NEVER "A CHOICE"
Back to your question, as properly re-worded by me in my first sentence... let me thing about that one and get back to you!
Well said miss laurie, a baby is a gift from god and there nothing more beautiful than a husband and a wife having a baby together which is the seed of their love 😊
Can i have this little baby downthere, soooooo cute 😍
@TonyMetal_1986 Thank you Mr Tony. I love children and babies, it is beyond my wildest imagination as to why anyone would want to harm one of them. am so sorry for those who do such a thing and what their fate will be when they meet that child and it's maker on judgement day... yes, there will be one!!
Agreed, and you can't say about this people that they are humans, cause animals are better!
When a man works hard outside, it's true that he will get tired and has lots of responsibilities laying on his shoulders but as soon as he enters his house to see his wife hugging and kissing him and than seeing his little baby, he will forget all the hard day at work and recharge to start a new day...
At least the smile of the wife and the little baby are more precious than anything in the world, his life has a meaning!
@laurieluvsit so a raped 11 year old should not be allowed to have an abortion? It seems there was a case in argentina where the girl in question tried to kill herself twice when she became aware of the pregnancy🤔
@jspl90 Your attempt to use an 11 year olds rape and trauma as an excuse to murder someone not involved in such a crime is sickening at best. Suicides are attempted and accomplished daily by the thousands for a number of traumatic psychological reasons.
Again, let's word the question in reality and not using the marxist brain washing and upbringing that you, and Ms Redlioness, have been subjected to..."Should an innocent third party receive the death penalty for the crime of the guilty party?"
Only a person who was absent when God handed out brains would even suggest such a thing, but you have.
First, I would go easy on the real criminal, the rapist then, since in this case because he has probably received the same marxist upbringing that you and Ms Redlioness have, so we can't hold him totally responsible for his ignorance of the crime he as committed, now can we?
So, let's give him a break in his punishment for this crime, especially since in your world the innocent victim should be the one to pay the ultimate price for him and be slaughtered like an animal in a butcher house.
So for the real criminal I think about 20 minutes of this to the testicles should do it...
I promise you, that is nothing compared to what awaits those that advocate for the murder of innocent children, as you and Ms Redlioness have done!
Now, back to your question, as properly re-worded by me in my second sentence... let me think about that one and get back to you, since I don't have a strong opinion on the matter... maybe one of your hell bound marxist educators and handlers can give me the correct answer.
@laurieluvsit so you are saying if you yourself or your daughter was raped and got pregnand you would have it brought to term? Or force your daughter to bring it to term? Then let me ask you at what point after conception do you consider it a baby? What is your take on aftermorning pills?
@laurieluvsit and your point about a push to make it legal to murder children up to 3 year old🤔 that is retarded so unless you have any sources you are just trolling🙄 so what country and what source
You know as well as I do that your marxist indoctrination would have you immediately discount any, and all, factual and credible sources, which you can easily find yourself, and probably have found many that your handlers have trained you to reject out of hand.
If you were re-trainable, I would love to help you, and I do help those that are open minded and sincere to find their way with any, and all, information that they need. But you, and I, also know, without question, that you are not one of those.
MATTHEW 7:6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
I think it's obvious that a zygote moments after conception is not a life, and it's obvious that a baby moments before birth IS a life. Thus, life begins somewhere between those two times. Anyone on either side who cannot concede that much simply isn't being honest.
However, since we have no way of knowing when life truly begins, we should err on the side of life beginning at conception. Outlawing abortion after conception is the only way to guarantee that zero lives are lost.
If we were to err on the side of life beginning at conception, and we were wrong, the consequence would be a lot of women needlessly inconvenienced for 9 months--which would be regrettable, don't get me wrong--but if we were to err on the side of life beginning at birth, and we were wrong, the consequence would be the largest genocide in human history. One consequence is worse than the other.
Thus, I am pro life (with circumstantial exceptions).
Because a baby is a life and killing a life is murder. I can’t stand the thought of all those little ones dying and it’s sick that people can. How could you kill your own baby anyway? I’ve seen things about girls getting an abortion like it’s going groecery shopping. Something would have to be severely wrong with you to be like that.
Yeah you have a family mother who can support you. But out there a lot of girl do not have. So for them there is no one to be supported and maybe raped. In that situations, even if they get the baby, they can't raise it properly. Because babies are needy, depend on them, need money, nutritious food etc.
But think the baby will grow up without any parental love. He or she will maybe hate from their parents to make them stay in that conditions, maybe think why they abondon me, am I so bad etc. So the person most probably will be unhappy.
Agree with little princess grace, also why would you have to suffer all this if you keep yourself virgin till marriage, it has a lot of benefits and makes you very precious and as a man i can tell you that giving your virginity to your husband is an ultimate price 😊
And before you start dislikong my comment hear me out first:
Many girls get pregnant by rape. I think we all can agree that If this girls deserve the right to have an abortion if they don't want it.
Also what about teen pregnancy? A teen cannot be responsible for a baby.
And let's not forget about broke couples/girls. How will they support the baby?
And even if ur just a woman with normal income and a partner and afford raiding a child but simply just don't want to then u have every right to do it.
Miss danae, a boyfriend have an opinion pm his baby towards his girlfriend but a husband have a decision over his wife om the baby that is inside her, if the husband tells his wife the baby will be born, than she can never have an abortion no matter what happens cause he's the head of the house and if does it without him knowing about it or getting his permission, she might regret it A LOT LATER, especially if her husband have the same ideology as mine!
Abortion ain't allowed unless there was extreme cases and you need your husband's permission, after marriage there is no mine and yours and not even your BODY!
That's my own opinion and if were to make rules, i'll make people follow such rules cause i find them the best!
Many countries do not allow abortions but also there are plenty of countries who does allow abortions...
Miss danae, you might tell me: mr. tony what if it was a fault and will never be done again, well you might be forgiven but your going to be punished because that'a how the world works so we prevent chaos!
Just like any fellony or crime, the one who made it must be punished, that's how the law works! Such as stealing, raping, killing and many other crimes!
Abortion must be a crime that has it's own rules and punishments!
It will make a lot of men think twice before having sex with a girl and dumping her, to hold the responsibilities of his action and the girl will learn how to consider her body a precious and that her virginity is very important and shouldn't be given like that to anyone!
Still... many women are afraid of pregnancy, and even if every country try makes it illegal I'm pretty sure that they can have a miscarriages on purpose
And I don't even want to think about how much chaos will be cause if you take away from women the right to have abortions
If they have misscarriage on purpose they will be punished and will never do it again just like a criminal! If she's wise enough that she will remain safe and comfortable...
It's not a right for a woman or anyone else to be able to kill a life!
If a wife is scared of pregnancy, i'm sure that it will be solved with her husband cause a husband plays a big role during the wife's pregnancy and that's why the husband should be present in the delivery room with his wife so the wife feels safe and relaxed!
My problem is this. People say it's not a baby and just a fetus. Try telling that to the women who miscarried. Try telling her it's fine because it was only a fetus.
A life is a like whether it's before or after birth. But people have been desensitized so much it's like nothing to abort. It's the new form of birth control and how people don't have to take responsibility for their choices.
Even if I was raped I wouldn't abort my child. Why? Because it's not my childs fault and despite who their dad is my child is still a part of me. I'm not pro-kill I'm pro-life. How that could be wrong to not kill an innocent human life is beyond be.
No, it should not be banned because there’s so many reasons why people get pregnant and don’t want their baby. It isn’t anyone else’s place to judge a situation that they don’t know about accurately. People also don’t realize the psychological effect abortion can have on the woman who has to go through it. Bleeding for many days after, experiencing the discomfort that comes with the abortion method she chose (whether it be medical or surgical), the stigma now attached to her, the guilt and the pain she may feel. Not every woman goes into an abortion clinic eager to do it. Some women are broken, it’s the last thing they want to do but because of their situation they feel as if they have no choice. I think one of our biggest problems as a society is judging without having the complete puzzle put together.
Abortion is a tricky one, I'm pro-life. So I dont believe abortion is right in any situation for the most part. I believe my body my choice is an invalid argument. Why? Because if you decided to have sex, you signed up for it. It doesn't matter if you use a condom, are on the pill and take plan b after. There's always a chance and your responsible for that no exceptions. Have sex, and you might have a baby that's it. Same goes with men, have sex expect to pay child support you made the choice owe up to it. However what I also believe we need to invest in technology that would allow for a baby to be viable outside of the mother's womb, like an artificial womb. I dont believe abortion can die until we find something to kill it, and that sadly comes with time.
Rape is a situation I can understand in our world today. That's why I said abortion is wrong for the most part. Other exceptions for me would be risk of the mothers life or extreme impairment of the baby's function. IE: extreme disability that would not allow the child to have a good quality of life. I'm talking about shit way worse than autism, stuff like that.
Pregnancy by rape is the tiniest percentage of pregnancies, so rare it is less than a rounding error. This is always the battle cry of feminist, "what about rape and incest", both of which are as rare as a unicorn and actually encourage women to falsely claim rape.
Statistics regarding rape victims and abortion are most likely going to be very flawed because there are many rape victims that don't report their rape.
I'm not a feminist by the way (in fact, I detest the movement) but I do consider myself more libertarian and believe there should be as little government involvement in people's personal lives as much as possible.
With that being said, I dont think women should use this as a license to just be reckless and use abortion as a form of birthcontrol. Thats just my thoughts on it
Never. I heard of a woman who had a nonviable pregnancy, it threatened her life and needed an abortion so that she wouldn't die. The baby wasn't gonna make it either way. Abortion was 100% illegal where she was from. They both died.
I personally believe it should also be legal by choice, too. Contraceptives fail, mistakes happen, and many lives can be hurt or ruined by adding a baby to a bad situation. I don't see how some people can call it murder and talk about ending a life unless they're a vegan.
It honestly depends cause I know girls that are just plain dumb and don’t know how to use condoms and then there’s the more understandable cases like getting rape and having an unwanted baby, I dunno I’m half and half but abortion definitely shouldn’t be banned it should just be controlled I guess? Like if a girl has already gotten 2 abortions she shouldn’t be able to get a 3rd unless it’s an extreme case like I said earlier rape etc... honestly if you don’t want a kid just use a damn condom or birth control cause a lot of these girls getting pregnant could’ve avoided it by just following basic rules
From the moment of conception it is a human being with all the rights of a human being, including the right to life. If left to progress, it will live 70 plus years and will experience joy, life and love. The child should be adopted as there are many waiting to adopt and it should be highly encouraged as how to handle these situations.
Those that want to abort can’t even pick a timeframe. Is it 3 months, 6 months or up until birth? Why is birth or one of the other dates a determinant? It could be at any time. Two years, sixteen years, it is all the same, the death of a person.
Yes, the baby is still inside the mother but it isn’t her body, it is their bodies, together. She signed up for this when she got pregnant and now there are two people with rights, one is dependent on the other though for 9 months. The mother can’t starve a two year old and she shouldn’t be able to have a baby dissected in the womb.
It should never get banned. Taking abortion away is taking away a woman’s right and that’s not okay. You are never killing the baby, they don’t allow you to have an abortion if the fetus has formed and is alive. It’s before that stage even happens, it’s perfectly fine. No one ever feels happy doing it I don’t think, but they are relieved. Besides, what about the females that got raped? Giving birth is actually quite terrifying and some mothers can die from it. So yeah, if someone doesn’t want to give birth to a baby they can’t take care of then leave them alone. It’s their choice not yours.
No one has any right to atone to , give permission of , or the absolute authority to terminate any human , period. Furthermore , I won't ask how you came up with that disillusion.
I’ve read some comments... neither is wrong or right. Personally, people are going to get it done whether legally or illegally. And being frank, women are emotional. So yes feelings are there. And there are countless reasons for terminating a pregnancy. Abortions means a female has come to the realization they are not fit, for whatever reason, to be a mother. They have the right. Of course there’s a factor of a female having sex and “accidentally“ becoming pregnant (unplanned pregnancy so to avoid backlash, abortion) but what about rape? Or financial instability? Those are factors to... bringing a child to suffer? No. And I know adoption... but is the system safe or has it failed a lot of children now? Yes some might say this killing a child and it have females who want to get pregnant but can’t, but it’s a choice.
I don’t think it should be banned. I don’t think it’s fair to force someone to go through an unwanted pregnancy. It can take an enormous toll on someone’s body.
I don’t think people should take advantage of the situation to just go around having unprotected sex and whatnot, but to make it completely illegal just isn’t fair in my opinion. If the pregnancy continues and the baby is born, who’s to say that they won’t end up living a life of suffering? It’s more humane to end it before then imho.
As far as morality goes, obviously we all have different takes on it. Some people site religion as to why it’s concretely wrong, but there’s tons of different religions and every one thinks they’re the “right” one.
A fetus is not a child. There are a multitude of reasons to get an abortion, and most "pro-life" people will admit that there are circumstances that warrant an abortion, which actually means that they're pro choice deep down. The argument that terminating a pregnancy quantifies as equal to murder is not scientific or logical, is it an irrational belief that stems from emotion. Do laws keep guns out of criminals hands? Of course not, so why would they be able to stop abortions? Keep it legal, keep it safe.
But it still is a life. If you want to know if a fetus remembers stuff, search for prenatal learning and related terms. They won't remember things like we do, but still, they are affected by the circumstances which surrounds their mother. Many researches are conducted in this area. Even such learning capabilities have been discussed in ancient stories. As far as I know, prenatal learning is not a fiction.
@Tstrbrainer So is a sperm. When science say it's a life, it's pro life who say "It's a human life" It's a no true scotsman fallacy. If you have your opinion it's ok. That's not a fact that you should push your agenda to other people with different point of views.
@Tstrbrainer If you try to get someone arrested for abortion, you won't like it of someone tries to get a pro life arrested for forcing and brainwashing a teenage mom to give birth.
Considering this is almost exclusively a debate in USA that should tell you something. The rest of the world has had this debate and moved on long ago. Only the socially backwards USA still struggle with it since things like science and facts does not have the same weight in an argument over there.
@lolcraft As someone from "Other Nations" and as part of the EU which is made up of 27 "Other Nations" I can tell you that only two countries bad abortion except for certain circumstances. That is 7%
@lolcraft typo, should have been ban, not bad. Where you draw the line is less interesting in this regard compared to the fact that this is still a hotly debated issue in USA and basically nowhere else. There is also a concerted effort to prevent people from being able to receive an abortion by for example closing down as many facilities as possible while still theoretically "allowing" it.
It has widely been established that the access to abortion is a basic human right. USA is one of the few countries that actively debates in regards to basic human rights.
@lolcraft Human rights implies its inherent to humanity and everyone associated with it. Sure you can question anything but there is a saying that extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. There is no such things in the anti-abortion debate. The brightest minds of humanity and our world leaders explored this quite a while ago. They made every argument they could think of and built the case of abortion as a fundamental human right on a mountain of rational arguments and evidence that then the people of various countries accepted.
Some random person in USA going "But a fetus has a heartbeat" is not going to change anything or open any old discussion that has not already be explored fully and well and truly been closed.
Do you know what human rights are? They don't apply to "humanity." They apply to the individual. Universally. That's more than semantics. That's the difference between an idea and law. Between a government that grants you your rights and a government recognizing and not infringing.
@lolcraft I think you might have lost your mind somewhere back there, as in you are making less sense by the minute as we are moving further away from the accident.
No. It is my uterus and I have a right to rule my own uterus. If i do not want a clumb of cells in my uterus, i can remove it. It is not my fault that the embryo is dependent on the uterus and can't survive without the womb. You are also not a murder for not lending/ giving your organs to someone who needs it to survive. If it gets banned, i want to have a right to controll every anti abortion person's genitalien to cut off their penises and vaginas like they force women to give birth and make them go through all pain
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I don't think others should decide whether or not someone is allowed to get an abortion. It's a huge thing that can affect a life - or several.
As in some countries, I think it's good to have a "deadline" for when it's too far in the pregnancy to get an abortion.
But, if you do make it illegal, this won't stop women from getting abortions, women have been doing it for centuries. If it is made illegal, women will find other methods for doing so, more dangerous methods that are unsafe. It's best to make sure it is done properly.
It's okay to be against it, but it is not up to other people whether or not a woman gets an abortion.
If a person is against abortion then they shouldn't have one. They shouldn't try to influence their neighbor on whether or not they should have an abortion. That's their decision. This issue has been settled with a perfectly fair solution. Individual choice.
it really amazes me that people are still losing sleep about this shit. I pray that you are never in a bad situation where you have to make that choice.
The fetus has its own individual human-D. N. A. distinct from the mother's. Hence, the kid's humanity & legal statuses (legal-personhood for basic human-rights & parents' citizenships for all rights of a citizen) should not be denied for an easy & legal execution without charge, trial, and sentencing. As history has already shown, the moment that the can be done to any human of any group, it can be do to anyone else. And often, it is.
HOW ABOUT THIS: We allow women to have an abortion, BUT she has to agree to be sterilized at the same time. Want to kill your child -- OK, but you have lost all of your rights to being a mother in the future. Full stop.
@KrakenAttackin In terms of principle, I hold to the principle that such murder should be illegal. My issue is the implementation: Slavery & murder-for-hire have been long illegal, but it still happens to this day. The same with abortions in various jurisdictions. Also, there are those with more arguable cases than others. That said, whether to allow for some is tricky. Allowing even 1case opens the door for allowing all. Banning outright endangers the woman if she seeks an illegal way, but allowing makes the state complicit in the non-war, state-sanctioned murder. The personhood of the mother & the humanity of the child generally should never clash, but, in this jurisdiction-wide controversy, it does. Implementation… (ლ‸－)
No. I think abortion should be someone's very last option and people should be responsible with birth control and how they manage it. That being said, nobody grieves when sperm cells die. That's a "living organism" entirely independent from my body. So "life" is not the issue here, it's when living cells eventually become a human. But what makes a human? I honestly don't know when it becomes a human, but I know it's not at conception. All it is is a clump of cells. So abortion should be legal, late term abortion when the fetus is literally a full-fledged baby should absolutely not be legal.
I think the meta for what is acceptable will never again allow something like the scantity of an infant to be respected. People are self centered to the point now that they would sooner murder someone with no ability to defend themselves or protest so that their own lives will be easier.
I think it should be allowed. There are a variety of reasons why a parent would want to have an abortion: health issues, rape, not being able to take care of it, and some people just straight up don’t want children. When we deny abortions we endanger women’s lives and allow babies to be born into situations where they’re not wanted, or they have to live with lifelong illnesses, or their parents may not have the means to care for them.
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Anonymous
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Yes and no. Let's face the fact that abortion is the killing of a human life. I believe there is a time and a place for that, but using it as a means of birth control is NOT it. That's all abortion is today... another means of birth control. It's a convenience for women who don't want the inconvenience of a child in their lives at the time, so they kill their own child as a matter of convenience. That is just wrong.
When it comes to rape, incest and instances when the mother's life or health is at risk, then abortion is a justifiable evil. But that's all. It's not justifiable otherwise, and our laws should be changed to reflect that reality.
1. Too many lower income families are contributing to overpopulation by having more kids so they can get more benefits/welfare out of my taxpayer's money.
2. In the cases of rape, underage, or potentially fatal health complications, abortion must always be an option.
3. Reduce the amount of children born with disabilities and defects, because let's all be real here, nobody wants a retarded kid.
I am really indifferent to it but I do not think people should act like psychos and try to force women to have babies. I mean are these protesters at the abortion clinic gonna pay to take care of this kid? Or will he end up with a horrible life because nobody wants him?
Abortion should not be banned because some women may have been raped and wouldn't like a reminder or have to tell their child when it gets to a certain age what their dad did but I personally wouldn't ever have one because I couldn't do that but that doesn't mean they should be banned
I am firmly against abortion. First and foremost, every man, woman, and child is made in the image and likeness of God and we do not have the right to kill an unborn child.
I get your feelings. But should laws have anything to do your religious beliefs? If a woman doesn't believe what you believe why should she be forced to follow them?
Ideally, yes, but it would be better not to go to the extreme side of yes; if a teenager gets pregnant or gets raped, she cannot care for the child and so should get rid of it before it is "born".
If, however, a woman decides to have unprotected sex, whether to have a child or not, and then goes on to get pregnant, she should live with the consequences of her actions - there is no going back.
I don't think abortion should be banned since it's their body they can decide to have baby or not. it shouldn't be based on other strangers decision that's not fair. Fetus isn't human yet it's like saying sperm is a human. Accidents can happen where you get pregnant and you can't afford anything so it's best to abort or if they were raped and you don't want that
Yes, taking an innocent life is wrong , and living with the guilt of killing a innocent life would be devastating , just defines you as a piece of shit , if you don’t want the baby then give it to someone that can’t have babies but having the option to murder a life is beyond wrong
Not every reason for abortion is because the women doesn't want it. Some are not financially stable and or mentally stable also some women have been raped and do not want the child which is completely up to the woman
Yea but she doesn’t need to kill the baby cuz she was raped , give it up for adoption , it’s not the babies fault she got raped , how can someone live knowing they killed an innocent life cuz they aren’t capable of caring for a child , their are millions of people out their that would adopt that would love to have a baby , so abortion to me is just plain out wrong
99% it isn't that someone in the 115 IQ range gets raped and doesn't wanna give birth. So abortion is probably increasing the gene pool. But I'm also pro TBF (think before fuck). The fact that there is a debate means that we don't have a definition from when life is a life. And I think when something isn so uncertain we should handle that question with more caution. And not taking any chances. 2-1 for pro life in my opinion.
Of course not! Because it is an individual choice, no one is forced to do it. If a women feels like she doesn't have mental, physical or economic conditions to have the child, for whatever reason, she shouldn't have it. It will be bad both for her and the babie.
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Anonymous
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It’s almost always rich white men telling women what they can and can’t do to their body. But that’s beside the point, people always have abortions, the question is do you want them to be safe (legal) or dangerous and done in back alleys (make it illegal)
It's not a child though, its a fetus/embryo. Giving birth has permanent health risks and some people can't afford to go the 9 months of pregnancy as it'll interfere with their livelihoods.
You can't just say wrong with no other response, and I've read a fair share of reports of people dying during pregnancy, underaged girls having birth complications, and there's a reason pregnant people usually have to leave work at some point during the pregnancy. This isn't ideology, it's fact. A question of interest for you though, is a zygote a child?
@Dchrls78104 Why does that matter? We have contraceptive measures that reduce the odds dramatically, and after that point you can just go through with an abortion if contraception didn't work and the person pregnant doesn't want to go through the pregnancy. The fetus/embryo still isn't a child though, just a clump of consciousness tissue which can simply be removed. If people want to have sex and are of the age of consent, let them. If they have to have an operation afterwards due to bad luck, let them. What gives you a right to step in?
Why do not we cut your penis off, if you want to control the uterus? It is my uterus and you only remove the embryo from the uterus and it is not our fault that it is depended on our uterus to survive. Then you are murder by not lending/giving your organs to someone who needs to survive
A pregnant woman has to eat healthy food and maintain her mental health. By forcing a woman going trough pregnancy you are destroying her mental health and as a result she will end up eating junk food, taking drugs or drinking alcohol which cause misscarriages. So it is not only about keeping a clumb of cells in the uterus but also controlling her whole life. And there is also a risk that she can loose her job or can't afford the pregnancy.
@Liadon What about the father? Should he not have an equal say into the life of the child? Afterall, he has an equal responsibility once the child is born, whey not before the child is born? You believe in "equality" right?
This situation inherintly isn't equal though, one member of the relationship has to go through a great physical hardship. The father shouldn't be able to call for something to happen to the mothers body without any consent from her. She has every right to do with her body as she will, as she's being harmed by the pregnancy in ways. Therefore she makes the ultimate call and the father doesn't have as much sway over this matter due to this. After/close to birth this would now be a child, so even if the mother doesn't want to breast feed she'd be obligated to provide for them or seek help in providing for then. This no longer becomes an issue of something being forced upon somebody's body against their will. Which means it goes back to equal stakes in raising the child.
@Liadon I would submit the mother is obligated to care for and raise the child from the moment of conception, the father is similarly obligated. Don't want the obligation, don't open your legs.
You still haven't answered the actual issue though, why is an abortion a bad thing? The Embryo/Fetus isn't conscious as it doesn't have a functioning brain so its not like you're killing an actual child. Why should your own personal views be forced onto others to restrict their bodily autonomy? Humans are fueled by hormones. People have tried to stop them from having sex and its often either backfired into people having uneducated/safe sex, or people enduring bodily farm from chastity devices such as Kellog's. Removing a cluster of cells in your body that are a mix of your own and someone else's DNA shouldn't grant the invasive cells more of a right to stay in your body than other parts can actually be consensually removed. Your view on this seems to be summed up as "If you make action A you've already consented to B, C and D." my view is you have to individually consent to each of these. And these people who want abortions haven't consented to being pregnant at that time, or have retracted consent.
@hi_it_is_me123 Wow, you really paint women are seriously shitty people. The "I will do whatever I can to destroy my child", do you realize how fucked up this is?
@Liadon "What gives us the right to step in"? The right to protect a child, that's what right.
Again, I ask about letting women have an abortion, BUT their agreeing to be sterilized during the abortion. If you get an abortion you permanently forfeit your right to be a mother to your natural child.
@Liadon The failure rate of the pill is as close to 100% as can be expected. MOST women who get pregnant (read: almost all) get pregnant by CHOICE, although they lie about this and say it was an "oops".
@Dchrls78104 And yet due to hormones this isn't going to work, I already addressed this. You can't stop people having sex without violating their bodies without their consent.
Most women get pregnant by choice is what you're saying. Not all. Which means that there will be some that want to have an abortion as they didn't intentionally get pregnant and don't want to go through the pregnancy. And also here's the conflict of ideals again. I believe that you should be able to say no towards something to do with your own body and back out at any time. You think that if you start something than you're obligated to finish it, and if you didn't want it its your own fault. I think your view is immoral as its forcing people through ordeals just to spite initial poor decisions or bad luck. You keep referring to the blob of tissue as a child which I'd still protest against though, as it doesn't even have a functioning brain. It's just something with the potential to be a child. Why should a women be sterilized for getting an abortion? It's just an easy procedure without any real ethical problems on a biological and realistic level. They may just not be ready to have a child and decide to have one in the future. If you argue that for example a 19 year old gets pregnant mid way through university and decides that they aren't ready to raise a child or settle down to decide to have an abortion. You reason they should be disqualified from it for the rest of their lives. That's sick.
@Liadon but they can, and should, control themselves. Animals have hormones, too, but they live by their instincts. Humans are not animals; we have a conscience and freedom and opportunity to exercise self-control and self-restraint instead of being merely led by our hormones. We can make intelligent choices and take responsibility for them. Frankly the need to do that is more urgent these days than ever in human history.
@Dchrls78104 We are by definition animals. We have the same sorts of hormones as animals. Sexual interaction has positive mental benefits too. The key thing though is telling teens to use abstinence only doesn't work. It justs leads to riskier sex which leads to more abortions needing to be had. Saying "We should just have abstinence" doesn't matter due to this.
@Liadon when they can't address any of your key points and just put their already discredited points on repeat, it becomes apparant why they're anti-abortion. They think a clump of cells is a person with a soul and an opinion, and there's just no arguing with that level of ignorance. If they fall short of scientific understanding of a given subject and can't be swayed from their opinion, then their cognitive dissonance will always be the victor over reason. I think we should just be happy that we live in a free enough Country to have abortions and that these emotional sheep haven't stripped us of that freedom, despite their best efforts
I think its safer to not have it banned. At the end of the day, it's that woman's or couples choice whether or not they want to keep that baby, and their reasons are tangible to them so it isn't for others to judge
No to abortions cause your killing a life and it's a blessing from god, it's simple! Don't make sex before marriage and if sex is your oxygen than take the maximum precautions...
I don't care about the legal aspect, because a lot of what is legal these days is flat out wrong. I care only about the moral aspect. Abortion is murder. "Thou shalt not kill."(Exodus 20:13).
Might not wanna quote the bible when it comes to this because there are several instances in which the god of the bible makes exceptions to the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment.
I think it shouldn't be banned. You don't know why someone is getting an abortion but it's never something that is taken lightly. Besides, abortion is only alowed until a certain time. So why not give people that choice? It's their bodies.
I think women should have to have a license to have a baby too, we spend enough taxes on women who can't raise their kids, and over 70% of prisoners were raised by single moms. They may be good moms (debatable), but they are definitely shitty fathers.
No, but it should be regulated, and everyone should be taught about safe sex. Abstinence is not enough. I didn't learn to use condoms in HS. They told us to wait. Luckily, I do use condoms or plan B when I choose to engage so there wouldn't be that choice of an abortion.
I think Roe should be overturned and sole authority over abortion should fall at the state level The coastal states will keep it legal. Much of fly over country will outlaw it.
Abortion is there for a reason, people have every right to choose whether they want to keep the baby or get an abortion. We shouldn't just ban it for the sake of others, not everyone believes its a crime. It is a CHOICE.
@Aiko_E_Lara well according to Women, men don't get a view, which is complete bullshit. Roe vs Wade is purely on the grounds of privacy, flawed argument. Means privacy is more important than a life or the rights of another. Some day it will be overturned by the supreme idiots, maybe soon.
@eschneider According to men, men should also boss around women and tell them what to do. Actually I'm just arguing at your level with your false notions and you don't think you're pathetic for whatever reason.
@Aiko_E_Lara lol, every women argument = men's fault. Can't get that job, men, don't make enough money, men. pathetic. Not enough men in STEM, men's fault.
How about you Women stop crying and get off your ass and work for it like us MEN. Women just recently got into the work force and they think everything should be handed to them.
@eschneider I agree. The average women sleeps with 14 men during their time in college alone. I guess women slaughtering their own children is a natural outgrowth of moral decay.
@eschneider For the very same reason same reason it's your fault you can't use your words and blame women for that. Oh sure I'm well aware feminists are whiny and so are MGTOWs like you.
@Aiko_E_Lara if you can't get a job, it's mostly your fault. Get a skill, go to school. If you want higher pay, choose the right skill, and you may have to work harder.
@eschneider Because it is. Actually that applies for both. If women can't get job, it's also their fault. There's something called responsibilities. So what if there are women blaming men? While you're blaming them yourself? Talk about grown ups.
@Aiko_E_Lara lol, most women are not grown ups. grown ups take responsibility, women don't. It's always sexual discrimination, the patriarchy, we make less because we are women, we have less women in these powerful positions, bla, bla, bla. Want the powerful position, then earn it or STFU.
@eschneider Oh right because you've met most women in the world lmao. If that were true, why are you still alive? I doubt you did. You're just assuming things based on what you just wanna see. And since when is telling anyone to STFU making you more valid?
@eschneider Now look who's assuming things. In case if you didn't realize assumptions are based on your feelings and feelings aren't logical so nice try trying to dismiss argument by throwing out your ad hominem. That's still not proving you anything by the way.
All the people complaining about feminism in the comments are missing the point. I AM NOT A FEMINIST. In fact, I detest feminism. Supporting abortion does not make me a feminist. I simply support it because, I dont want people telling me what to do with my body, therefore I dont tell people what to do with their body.
If you want to have a discussion about child support, double-standards, etc, thats fine and I'm not against it but its an entirely different discussion.
@eschneider You do it and learn to finish things properly next time. If you can't take the heat, just go back to your safe space and let the grown ups talk.
It should be for issues with the mothers health and rape ONLY, not used as a form of birth control. Which is what the majority of abortions are used for.
Women need to make their choices before conceptions, not after. Women who believe abortion is a birth control prove how little women care about life outside of their own selfishness.
I personally disagree with it. But in certain circumstances, like if a child gets raped or something, then I guess it is useful since that child doesn't have to be a mother at such a young age. So for that reason it shouldn't be banned
No, it should be up to the girl to decide that, fuck all these pro- life people, what if one of their daughters was prego by incest, would they still wanna keep it?
I never said it was law at a round table, my question was what would those pro choice jackaases do if their daughter was prego from incet or rape! And i believe it should be the girls decision, not someone els's!!!
I think it should be accepted already. Cuz if a woman is for example raped SHE will have that kid in her belly not the man so I think it's wrong for men to even "vote" on this one. Yes it's killing a life but if that child is born it could tear the mother into peaces or even the father too (if the baby was unwanted). Plus the amount of babys being put for adoption will most likely to rise. People need to open up their eyes and relise that it's 2020 and not 1920.
No because some people need to have an abortion. So banning all of em can be dangerous because that puts the lives of those women at risk because of an unwanted fetus.
I think everyone should be allowed a choice and they shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of the other parties beliefs, it's what you as an individual choose
No, it shouldn't be illegal. As long as it is in your body I would say its your choice. But imagine you got pregnant by accident or by rape, there abortion should definitely be an option
it's not just your body, there's a BABY. Most women are doing purely for convenience, pretty sad that your convenience is more important than a baby. Even Alligator mothers don't kill their young...
Yes. Abortion is murder since it kills a human life. The only time abortion should be allowed is if there is danger of the mother dying that can't be mitigated by having a c section (because then it would fall under the umbrella of self defense).
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