However, the EU has afforded a useful economic and diplomatic infrastructure that has coincided with an extended period of peace and prosperity in Europe. Europe's statesmen should not delude themselves that the EU can supplant the longstanding identities of Europe with its more economic and legalistic approach, but that does not mean that such an approach is not without its benefits.Long answer to short question: The EU needs to be harnessed and its Promethean pretensions restrained. However, as indeed Brexit shows, to dismantle it altogether is as apt to be as disruptive as the chaos which inspired its creation.Given all that, and given that the EU is not without its predicates in European history and therefore does have a natural constituency, particularly among the young, best to leave well enough alone. The EU should be constrained, but eliminating it would be likely prove to be a bridge too far. No matter how justifiable in theory, it would apt to be too disruptive in practice.
I am so happy reading trough all this, i remember a few years ago i was one always very vocal about how bad the EU was arguing with people trying to tell everyone how corrupt it was. And so far it seems to have become the majority opinion as people are waking up. And i do not think this is isolaton, people are starting to understand what is really going on and want their freedom back.
Norway has a shite load of oil reserves. The EU is deeply flawed, but all your arguments are just populist ones.
@Levin Those are just some of the arguments that are obvious. I am not going to list everything in my opinion. And I am aware Norway isn't perfect (there is no country in the world that is). But people act like if we're out of the EU that are lives will be hell. It won't. And I use Norway as an example because it is one of the best countries to live in in the world.
Aye, I get that. But I do think they're rich cause of oil money.Any, looks like there's more pressing concerns at the moment :)
Not yet, you are not out yet. But you have my full support in leaving, the sooner my country follows you the better.
That's how Scotland & Northern Ireland feel within the UK.
Thank you for the MHGirl.
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The part you are missing is that the EU is anti-democratic. In the UK this is not as apparent because you had a lot of exceptions. But by the dutch law any EU decisions overrules our own political democracy and i can not elect the EU law makers myself and not vote in its direction. So the EU is actively trying to control every aspect of our lives its just a very slow process.
@sawno No. The policy ideas come from the European Council, which is the heads of the member states' governments. You vote for them, don't you? The commission turns their wishes into proposals that need to pass the council and the parliament, and you vote for your government's ministers and MEPs, don't you?
No i do not vote for them either. I vote for my countries parliament, they form a coalition usually by abandoning the will of the people for their own projects they agree upon (And we got one of the better systems at that). But at least the parliament has power to overrule decisions and debate on policy and in theory by voting for the correct people i can get change to happen.If you abstract this with layers it becomes friends politics and they will start pleasing the rich and influential people who can get them on the positions of power rather than the citizens. So the people in the counsel are generally not representative of what the citizens want but what the politicians want. And even if i fix that corruption in mine any other country can veto it and prevent the good changes from happening. The EU can not be reformed and the whole EU election is a facade because i can not vote on the people in power there as it all happens indirectly.Its like voting for the senate exclusively, and having everything else based on rough correlations of what you voted for elsewhere with people that are not directly accountable to you. Its like you can't pick who works in your department or who manages the apartment but can merely pick the people who oversee it with the department being chosen by external party's you may have a vague say over but who have no real responsibility to you.
@sawno You get to vote directly for your MEP, and the best part of the EU is that it prevents extremism, of the sort that overran European countries in the 1930s and 1940's.
I indeed get to vote directly on my european MEP, the only problem is they have no power.
@sawno Of course they do, but they're one in 700+, so they have to make good arguments. Do you think the others all get together and say "let's dump on the Dutch"?
No, i think they literally do not have any power to make any substantial changes. Even if they somehow decided to do the right thing and bring liberty to the people and abuse the system to get their own policies in it can just be taken out again since they are not the last decision maker and neither are they the ones to plot the course of the EU. So the little power they have is delaying something or changing insignificant details. Its useless.
It's not like we are rooting for it to fail, it WILL fail anyway. And we don't want to see a "Little Africa" or a "Brazilian Banana Republic" in our neighbourhoods. Chaos, instability, corruption, ethic strife, this is the future for the EU.
And, no, the EU can't compete with China for much longer.
What's the alternative? Break up into tiny individual nations again?Look at the other major nation's who are currently broke, corruption is present in every nation. EU will continue to have highs and lows, but long-term it is best for European Countries to unite. It has many flaws, but it's still better than the alternatives long term.
So what? I'm living in Sweden right now and have family here.
As long as you don't suck Putin's cock, it's fine.
Nah, I'm heterosexual. I just respect Putin as the great leader he is.
What they did with corona in terms of economics? One package of 540 billion approved with likely another 500 billion on the way, along with 750 billion by the ECB
We don't let immigrants rape our women in Russia, we don't let LGBT activists corrupt our children, maybe that's what bothers you. We are not like you Westerners indeed.
Nato is primarily focused on defense, EU has significant social and economic policies. For example, it harmonizes regulation regarding competition, structural funds transfers money from rich parts in Europe to lift the poorer parts, NATO also doesn’t have the same structure of free movement of money, persons and goods like the EU, there is no common currency in NATO
I would say that the EU's primary purpose is to stop Europe from going to war with itself again, but Nato already does that
Sure. But the EU does A LOT of things that go way beyond that, such as economic and social policy
It was never a good idea to begin with, it was from the beginning designed specifically to become exactly what it is becoming. A totalitarian empire where the citizens have no democratic rights. The concept of working together with other european nations is good, but you should not need a federal state, parlement, flag and theme song to do so. We were sold the EU under false pretences and they act as if it just kinda morphed into what it is now. But the original idea was clearly always to become a perverted version of the US.
Liberal f*gg*t detected. Hahahahahahahahahaha
You can actually see the future if you look closely.The EU is the first step to unify Europe, the united states is already unified. The next big step is to merge the two and become one big super power that can take over the world. The liberties are gone after that.
Agreed. Marxism and globalism go hand in hand, and both are evil.
I agree because they share a common evil, which is authoritarianism.Ultimately the battle of our generation is the fight between the centralization of power and the decentralization of power. Not by creating a total anarchy power vacuum but by distributing power to the people trough the means of real (direct) democracy. The people who wish a more corruptible centralized power are aiming for the opposite and thus create what we know as globalism.