The war began years ago and is only now coming into fruition (pun intended). You have schooling and society blaming male aggression for war and the world's ills. So they sought to eliminate it. However, in doing so they made the country at large more vulnerable to attack from countries who have not.
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There is obviously a war against masculinity and it is driven by feminism. The goal of feminism is to control men, and to do that they must be competitive against them. Feminists recognize the fact that women will never effectively compete with men who are masculine, so their goal is to feminize and emasculate men in order to achieve power over them. It's part of the whole "the future is female" thing.
Ofcourse the oligarchy, the freemasons, the bankers and the politicians of the world want and need men to be faggies... Faggies don't start revolutions and like to be submissive and taxed illegally, you can spit in their faces and like good LGBT degenerate cowards they won't do anything...
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Don’t let it happen. The articles, opinions, ideas, etc... about ending masculinity will never work if you ignore the people who bitch about it all. Instead tell people like bill gates that it’s them who are supposed to raise their children the way they tell us how to.
Yes the white male and the White feminists have been fighting for the last 60 years. Which birthed new groups such as Lgbt Incels Minorty feminist Red pill men etc
yeah. strong, smart, brave and courageous men do no good for the capitalist minded globalists that run the world. unless that masculinity favors them in a way
Those numnuts trying to make the male society to little pussys. These women don't know how they hurting themselves
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In order for women to actually BE equal to men, men have to become sensitive little weak bitches in every way. So the only path to equality is to bring men down to their level. A truly masculine man has few equals.
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YES THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE MEN WEAK
and its working most men and women are stupid and cannot see that satan is the ruler of this world
I mostly see a war against biology, common sense and logic 🤦🏻♂️ A war the liberals won’t win in the end, so why won’t they quit?
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I actually thought there was a war on femininity. The feminine way is often better I think. I don’t mean like being gay I mean like being diplomatic and peaceful...
The term "toxic masculinity" was actually coined by a men's rights organization... albeit a bunch of weirdos, but it's definitely not meant to hate on men.
The word was actually invented to refer to the way Macho Culture can affect males negatively, most people I have seen use it use it to refer to stuff like boys getting beaten up for not being masculine enough in school
@WhistleForTheChoir That's not true at all, it was coined by the Mythopoetic men's movement, which is another thing entirely, that focused on male therapy and masculinity, but ultimately was and still is an inconsequential movement. It's mentality of "toxic masculinity" was that of harmful gender roles that hurt men. Of course those same roles help men in another context, and it's that same context they considered healthy masculinity.
Feminism in Academia very quickly coopted that idea, and misappropriated it by applying it to all masculinity, regardless of context. There is no concept "positive masculinity" in feminism, and if anyone claims otherwise then they're lying. Not even male feminists are allowed to wear the label of "good man"; instead they must bow their head and accept that deep down they're a potential rapist because they are a man, and women aren't. It makes fuck all difference if they claim that "it's definitely not meant to hate on men", because actions speak louder than words, and the actions say this is dictionary definition dehumanisation of the male sex.
@David_Kek So what you mean to say is that it IS true (mythopoetic's were a bunch of weirdos who advocated for the betterment of men and men's rights), and then it was co-opted by feminists. I'm missing the part where you contradicted me, which is generally what happens after you say someone is totally wrong..
@WhistleForTheChoir You said they were a men's right group, and that is factually incorrect.
Moreover, mythopoetic men's movement practically hasn't existed for decades, so saying they came up with the term in response to the OP is pretty irrelevant, given what it means now. The only people on the planet in the present time that use that term, are feminists in the context of how it was coopted, ie, to dehumanise men.
@David_Kek From the Wikipedia page: "Major components of the [mythopoetic] men's movement include the men's liberation movement, profeminist men's movement, mythopoetic men's movement, men's rights movement, and the Christian men's movement"
Moreover, Isaac Newton hasn't exists for hundreds of years, so I guess the laws he came up with mean something different now too. I don't even know what point you're trying to make there. I don't think that "toxic masculinity" dehumanizes men, any more than saying "rabid dog" implies that all dogs have rabies. I think that you saw feminists or liberals or some group you disapprove of use the word, and so you just took the opposite side without really trying to understand what they were saying, and YOU are actually the one redefining the word so that you will seem reasonable when you take offense to it.
@WhistleForTheChoir it's unsurprising you would tell such bold faced lies. en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Mythopoetic_men%27s_movement No where on that entire page does it say that, though it does say a number of times how the movement had no interest in rights or politics. They were not a men's rights group, and they had nothing to do with politics of any kind. To claim they was a men's rights group is factually incorrect.
As for your pathetic attempt to defend the undefendable; Newton's laws haven't changed, while "toxic masculinity" very much has. As I have already say, there practically isn't anyone left of Mythopoetic men's movement that still use that term. The only people that still use it are feminists, minus any notion of positive masculinity. I don't really care what you think, all I care about is that you're spreading lies, to cover up a lie.
@David_Kek Well, it seems like I struck a little to close to the center. I literally copy-pasted the quote and then added the bracketed part. But here's the thing, you're determined to feel like a victim of big, mean feminists. So you're going to put words in their mouth. I'm kind of done with this, you feel free to argue with yourself.
@WhistleForTheChoir the mythpotic men's movement and the men's rights movement may very well be both parts of the broader men's movement that no one identifies with, but that doesn't make them synonymous.
Toxic masculinity doesn't exist, only toxic people. There is nothing wrong with alpha males with testosterone. Why being spinless weak male with 0 testosterone is encouraged?
No such thing as alpha males. Not in wolves. Not in humans. Google David Mech. He's the person responsible for popularizing the idea, and also the person who has been trying to discredit it for most of his professional career.
@WhistleForTheChoir Have you seen documentaries about animals? There is an alpha, especially in some mammals, they fight and the winner gets to lay the females, eats first the prey etc. In humans, alpha is a term of confidence, leader, stand up to himself, respect and sort of these.
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The war began years ago and is only now coming into fruition (pun intended). You have schooling and society blaming male aggression for war and the world's ills. So they sought to eliminate it. However, in doing so they made the country at large more vulnerable to attack from countries who have not.
There is obviously a war against masculinity and it is driven by feminism. The goal of feminism is to control men, and to do that they must be competitive against them. Feminists recognize the fact that women will never effectively compete with men who are masculine, so their goal is to feminize and emasculate men in order to achieve power over them. It's part of the whole "the future is female" thing.
Ofcourse the oligarchy, the freemasons, the bankers and the politicians of the world want and need men to be faggies... Faggies don't start revolutions and like to be submissive and taxed illegally, you can spit in their faces and like good LGBT degenerate cowards they won't do anything...
Don’t let it happen. The articles, opinions, ideas, etc... about ending masculinity will never work if you ignore the people who bitch about it all. Instead tell people like bill gates that it’s them who are supposed to raise their children the way they tell us how to.
I don't think so.
I also don't believe in "masculinity" and "femininity" because these are social constructs.
Just be you and that's it.
When in doubt - Money helps in everything and send the haters back to the holes, that they crawled out from.
Yes the white male and the White feminists have been fighting for the last 60 years. Which birthed new groups such as Lgbt Incels Minorty feminist Red pill men etc
This war on masculinity will end soon. As chaos erupts, people will call upon the hyper-masculine men to defend them.
Insane on so many levels. I will keep my opinion to myself on this one. It could get ugly. I'll sit back and read the replies.
There is, and there has been for a long time. I think that recent events will cause a shift however.
There definitely is and we, men, therefore, ought to stop being snowflakes and put women back in the kitchen.
I disagree
yeah. strong, smart, brave and courageous men do no good for the capitalist minded globalists that run the world. unless that masculinity favors them in a way
Those numnuts trying to make the male society to little pussys.
These women don't know how they hurting themselves
In order for women to actually BE equal to men, men have to become sensitive little weak bitches in every way. So the only path to equality is to bring men down to their level. A truly masculine man has few equals.
YES THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE MEN WEAK
and its working
most men and women are stupid
and cannot see that satan is the ruler of this world
AND HE IS TRYING TO REVERSE GODS WORK
Yes! Exactly.
😂🤣😅
If you were trying to make yourself sound like a nut job, congrats. You just succeeded!
I mostly see a war against biology, common sense and logic 🤦🏻♂️ A war the liberals won’t win in the end, so why won’t they quit?
I actually thought there was a war on femininity. The feminine way is often better I think. I don’t mean like being gay I mean like being diplomatic and peaceful...
If you think that the feminine way is peaceful and diplomatic, you live in a fantasy world :D
Maybe? I wouldn't call it a war cause people do what they want.
I'd say more like a brainwashing.
Considering the term 'toxic masculinity' coexist, It's unquestionable that hatred is fueled towards males.
The term "toxic masculinity" was actually coined by a men's rights organization... albeit a bunch of weirdos, but it's definitely not meant to hate on men.
@WhistleForTheChoir Did not know that. Either way, that argument is commonly used by radical feminists to spew hate.
The word was actually invented to refer to the way Macho Culture can affect males negatively, most people I have seen use it use it to refer to stuff like boys getting beaten up for not being masculine enough in school
@WhistleForTheChoir That's not true at all, it was coined by the Mythopoetic men's movement, which is another thing entirely, that focused on male therapy and masculinity, but ultimately was and still is an inconsequential movement. It's mentality of "toxic masculinity" was that of harmful gender roles that hurt men. Of course those same roles help men in another context, and it's that same context they considered healthy masculinity.
Feminism in Academia very quickly coopted that idea, and misappropriated it by applying it to all masculinity, regardless of context. There is no concept "positive masculinity" in feminism, and if anyone claims otherwise then they're lying. Not even male feminists are allowed to wear the label of "good man"; instead they must bow their head and accept that deep down they're a potential rapist because they are a man, and women aren't.
It makes fuck all difference if they claim that "it's definitely not meant to hate on men", because actions speak louder than words, and the actions say this is dictionary definition dehumanisation of the male sex.
@David_Kek So what you mean to say is that it IS true (mythopoetic's were a bunch of weirdos who advocated for the betterment of men and men's rights), and then it was co-opted by feminists. I'm missing the part where you contradicted me, which is generally what happens after you say someone is totally wrong..
@WhistleForTheChoir You said they were a men's right group, and that is factually incorrect.
Moreover, mythopoetic men's movement practically hasn't existed for decades, so saying they came up with the term in response to the OP is pretty irrelevant, given what it means now. The only people on the planet in the present time that use that term, are feminists in the context of how it was coopted, ie, to dehumanise men.
@WhistleForTheChoir yup Michael Kimmel I believe
In the 80s
@David_Kek From the Wikipedia page: "Major components of the [mythopoetic] men's movement include the men's liberation movement, profeminist men's movement, mythopoetic men's movement, men's rights movement, and the Christian men's movement"
Moreover, Isaac Newton hasn't exists for hundreds of years, so I guess the laws he came up with mean something different now too. I don't even know what point you're trying to make there. I don't think that "toxic masculinity" dehumanizes men, any more than saying "rabid dog" implies that all dogs have rabies. I think that you saw feminists or liberals or some group you disapprove of use the word, and so you just took the opposite side without really trying to understand what they were saying, and YOU are actually the one redefining the word so that you will seem reasonable when you take offense to it.
@WhistleForTheChoir it's unsurprising you would tell such bold faced lies.
en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Mythopoetic_men%27s_movement
No where on that entire page does it say that, though it does say a number of times how the movement had no interest in rights or politics.
They were not a men's rights group, and they had nothing to do with politics of any kind. To claim they was a men's rights group is factually incorrect.
As for your pathetic attempt to defend the undefendable; Newton's laws haven't changed, while "toxic masculinity" very much has.
As I have already say, there practically isn't anyone left of Mythopoetic men's movement that still use that term. The only people that still use it are feminists, minus any notion of positive masculinity.
I don't really care what you think, all I care about is that you're spreading lies, to cover up a lie.
@David_Kek Well, it seems like I struck a little to close to the center. I literally copy-pasted the quote and then added the bracketed part. But here's the thing, you're determined to feel like a victim of big, mean feminists. So you're going to put words in their mouth. I'm kind of done with this, you feel free to argue with yourself.
@WhistleForTheChoir You lied; that quote is nowhere on that page.
You are a coward.
@WhistleForTheChoir the mythpotic men's movement and the men's rights movement may very well be both parts of the broader men's movement that no one identifies with, but that doesn't make them synonymous.
Yes most certainly
Being a man entails a lot of things that are shunned in contemporary society
Toxic masculinity doesn't exist, only toxic people. There is nothing wrong with alpha males with testosterone. Why being spinless weak male with 0 testosterone is encouraged?
No such thing as alpha males. Not in wolves. Not in humans. Google David Mech. He's the person responsible for popularizing the idea, and also the person who has been trying to discredit it for most of his professional career.
@WhistleForTheChoir Have you seen documentaries about animals? There is an alpha, especially in some mammals, they fight and the winner gets to lay the females, eats first the prey etc. In humans, alpha is a term of confidence, leader, stand up to himself, respect and sort of these.