I don’t like the term “tolerate.” I tolerate just about everyone, you have to in life, you’re not gonna change everyone. Do I respect them? Of course. Just like anyone, they are created in the image and likeness of God and have indelible dignity.
Now this whole LGBT stuff has gotten out of hand in a couple ways. First is all this political extremism. Saying certain words isn’t automatically hatred or oppression. I have gay friends that say the word “faggot.” In a playful way all the time. Second follows this and it’s acting like people with same sex attraction are experiencing the same sort of oppression as Jews during the Holocaust. Nowadays people with same sex attraction get treated extremely well and even in media are depicted as very well put together whereas the straight male is usually depicted as bumbling and insecure.
Thirdly, as a religious person, if God created a person to be gay then it’s like saying God created a different type of human being. And honestly, LGBT politics reflects this in how people always have to learn about love from this community and their views always have to be considered by abnegating logic first. People have good reasons to reject LGBT politics that aren’t rooted in bias.
Now, there is good reason to believe that homosexuality is in fact a gender identity disorder. The only reason it was taken out of the DSMIII was because of a vote and people didn’t want to offend the gay community. But with a fairly common family dynamic in the US paired with a certain type of personality, this sort of child can want to be seen as a member of their own gender and then once puberty hits what’s exotic becomes erotic. There are plenty of people with same sex attraction who have testified that they just wanted to be loved as a man or woman, but the world told them to sexualize their feelings. Does this mean someone can’t be born gay? I don't know, but there’s definitely evidence that same sex attraction can be influenced by post-birth factors.
When I meet a person with same sex attraction I treat them like a normal human being. I don’t like people shoving certain policía al or cultural views in my face saying I have to bow to ‘x’ or else it’s mistreatment. I don’t think I should always be considering how I’m offending someone or a person’s qualities that the world says is part of their identity (such as who they’re sexually attracted to or their skin color). :)
Well I'm Christian, I've an religious objection to someone being gay or lesbian
God says its sin, so I say it is, the same way he said lying , stealing and murder are sins.
My old pastor would never marry a gay couple and ill never tell someone its OK to be gay. etc ill never support the lgbtq personally I think its perverse. And I don't support gay marriage it should have been left to each state to vote on its legality not forced on them.
Also pedophiles are trying to be included in the LGBT and and tha ,, tolerance and acceptance,, runs out there.
All that said this is America and people are free here id never have anyone's personal life controlled by what I think is right or wrong based off my view, 1 that isn't shared.
Iv seen them,, Christians,, waving signs saying God hates fags etc etc 1st of all God doesn't hate anyone he came for the gays and the lesbians and the pedos and the drunks the same way he came for the holy rollers. God loves the gays but hates their sin and they can turn from it and he'll accept them in a heartbeat like he did for all the other sinners.
Also Iv friends and family that are bi or gay There's no hate they know how I feel about it and I know how they feel I'm not responsible for their actions or sins all I can do is tell them and let them choose and love them anyways.
As a Christian I believe it's a sin, but that doesn't give me the right to treat others poorly. A sin is a sin, and biblically speaking no sin is greater or lesser than any other sin, as any one sin is enough to condemn a soul to hell. Therefore this particular sin is no greater or worse than any sin I've committed myself. The difference lies in the recognition of sin and repentance. Christians see this as unrepentant and living in sin, thus defying God. But there are many that do this is other ways who don't get singled out or treated nearly as badly. The cake baker who refused to make a cake for a gay wedding; would he also refuse to make a cake for a man and woman who have been living together and having sex before marriage? That's also a sin, and is viewed as no less of an offense in his eyes than homosexuality. Yet we pick and choose the sins we feel we should pursecute people for. The point is that its not our job to persecute and judge people, that job belongs to God. He commands us to treat others with love and kindness. Will I openly tell a homosexual that I believe their lifestyle is wrong and that I'm concerned for their souls; yes. But will I be mean and discriminatory toward them; no.
All unrepentant sin can send you tell hell, but not all sins are equal before God too.
We can see that through the Bible. Some offenses in the old testament law were met with fines and some other punishments while others carried the death penalty.
Jesus himself said that Judas did the "greater" sin which tells you there are sins which are more terrible before God.
Yes, but the point is that that's God's job to judge. Christ didn't treat sinners with hate and malice, he treated them with love and concern. He rebukes them, but out of love. Homosexuality is a sin, those engaging in those behaviors are engaging in unrepentant sin. So are all of those out there engaging in sex outside of marriage, watching porn, etc. Sexual immorality of any kind is a sin. Its not our job as humans to decide which is worse and which we can just accept and participate in expecting not to be judged for.
I’m Christian and I have no problem with the LGBT community. I’m bi. My little brother is gay. I have a lot of gay, bi, pan, asexual, and trans and non-binary friends. I don’t see a problem with it.
Granted, I’m also part of one of the more liberal denominations. I’ve gone to services for other denominations, but I never really felt completely comfortable with them until I found the one I’m currently a part of three years ago. So that might have something to do with it.
I guess some Christians would say I put humanism before religion, and that I picked my denomination to fit values that I already held. I don’t have a problem with that.
I’ve also researched a lot of the Biblical passages that people think are anti-LGBT. Specifically, I’ve looked into the original Hebrew. And I don’t think that they are. I’m willing to elaborate on that if you wish. But I’m not going to in this post.
I also recognize that the Bible was written by men. The stories in it may involve God, but the book was not written by God himself. Some of it may be the word of God, but I don’t believe it all is. Some parts of it are just stories. And some are metaphorical.
That's the problem with some fake Christian churches - they cater to men instead of what God says. If you can't believe what the Bible says you may as not believe any of it.
I believe the stories. I just don’t believe in popular interpretation of them. For example, I believe that God smited the people of Sodom. However, I don’t believe it was because they were gay. I believe it was because they were attempted rapists. The word sodomy is only intended to mean that which occurred in Sodom. I think it’s referring to attempted rape. Because the entire passage is about hospitality. Existing as a gay person doesn’t hurt your guest. Attempting to rape them certainly does.
Also, some of the stories are talking about things that God or Jesus did. Others are talking about things that people who interacted with God or Jesus did. Unless it specifically says that the person was directed to do those things by God and Jesus, I see no reason to believe that they were.
And if you look at the original Hebrew, there’s a very strong reason to believe that the Bible was meant to say that man shall not lie with boy. Not that he shall not lie with man. Different words were used, and at the time that it was written, there was a very common practice of an older man sponsoring a young child, paying his family, in exchange for being able to use the child for sex. So again, I’m pretty confident that that passage is anti-rape. Not anti-homosexuality.
I’ve always believed the stories. Ever since I was a kid. I just didn’t believe that those stories meant that it was wrong for people to be who God made them to be. That people existing as themselves was in and of itself a sin.
Christian here. And I tolerate them. I don’t judge them and that’s the way it should be. God didn’t put us on this earth to judge others and in fact He’s very against humans judging another. Any Christian having something truly against the LGBT would be a hypocrite because at the end of the day we all sin. And just cause another’s sin seems bigger to you than your own or someone else’s doesn’t mean it isn’t equal to God. Not our place to judge or condemn, but if anything to pray for their salvation and wish them the best in life. LGBT community is still human beings that were created by God himself therefore they deserve the same respect as anyone else. Do I support their sin? Of course not. But the bible says to love your neighbor (other people) the same way God loves us.
God created everybody on this earth. And His love for everyone on this earth was proven by sending His only son to die for our sins. Nothing can take us away from the love of God. John 3:16 and Romans 8:38-39
I am a Christian (a true Christian, not one in name who goes against the teachings of the Bible). While I disagree with the LGBT thing, people are people and they make their own choices, assuming their choices do not hurt others. We ALL have sinned and only have salvation through Jesus. However, when they try to push their choice on others and make people accept them then they cross a line. Just be you and do you because that is between you and God. However, do not expect or demand others to accept you.
I'm a Christian, and I tolerate them, but it's still a sin just like lying and stealing, so they need to repent of their ways if they're saying they're Christian too. Otherwise they're turning a blind eye to sin which is what LOTS of people do unfortunately. A lot of Christians get stuck in 2 camps: Homosexuality is the worst sin of all and there is no hope for them, or, God is love and He loves the gays too. I would say both camps are wrong. One doesn't consider other sin to be very serious, and the other doesn't consider much sin at all to be serious. It is all serious in the eyes of God, and it needs to be dealt with by the death of Jesus on the cross. He died for the sins of the believers, and unless if you're a believer, God's wrath is still waiting for you in eternity. If you repent and believe Jesus, then you are redeemed, and Jesus already suffered the wrath due to you.
So that's what Christians believe about the LGBT's
As I Christian I believe the core values of the religion are love and peace. People often take the Bible extremely literally and many people point to specific lines in the Bible as one which “prohibits” homosexuality however the most commonly used line is mistranslated and actually prohibits “pedophilia” as such many people believe that the idea of being lgbtq is anti-Christian however this is entirely incorrect. As a Christian I believe we are supposed to love everyone regardless of their gender race etc. so it’s not really “tolerance” which implies that we just accept they exist and don’t actively attack them rather love and acceptance.
Nope. They live in perpetual rebellion against God's commandments. I do not tolerate perpetual sinners.
However, for now, God has told me Abortion in the United States is the greatest sin of all, and so I will end up voting for Trump again to keep baby-murderer Joe Biden out of office. I considered boycotting this presidential election, but I changed my mind. I'm voting against the greater of two evils. I actuallly dislike both candidates and wish someone had run against Trump for the Republicans.
I love a post on Facebook once that put it perfectly.
Gay people I don’t tolerate: sexuality is key part of their personality, Rainbow flag, complains about straight people on every occasion, rainbow flag profile picture, dresses up like a clown to show how gay he/she is.
Gay people I respect and love like any other person: acts like a normal person, has a personality, doesn’t force in the fact that they are gay, literally a normal person you can befriend.
Christianity is one of the only religions now that is even semi accepting of gay people. Some churches do and some churches don’t. I am one that is accepting as I feel like, sorry, I KNOW that God loves everybody and wants EVERYBODY to love him back and that’s all he wants and expects. We all sin, let me say that again, WE ALL SIN. Every body. Is. Imperfect. And that is why I am accepting of normal acting gay people.
**Just so people don’t get it confused. For Christianity being one of the only accepting religions of gay people. I specifically meant non-denominational Christianity is most accepting.**
@Jonathanlama why would I hate you? Your a person and any transgender person is a person that deserves respect. But when it’s shoved in my face is equivalent to some made up religion shoving in your face that if you don’t think the way they think then there is something WRONG with you. It’s not about wether or not I like the transgender person or not, it’s the defensiveness surrounded by it and the sensitivity of it that makes people like me very uncomfortable.
yes I see you what you want to say, I am transgender but I am not part of any community because I have the impression that it is to close in a box, the only community in which I accept that I am put is that of humanity
I think another question is should religious people care what others do in their personal lives when their faith has them living God's intended path? When I see religious people with such hate and disdain in their eyes over the topic, I wonder if this is OK with God.
Also if you're belief is that God will judge you on judgement day, why don't you have faith enough to leave it alone, and let God handle it when the day comes.
There's a lot of hate and anger in many people claiming to be religious. I recognize this isn't all religious people but it does seem to lack empathy which Jesus seemed to have lots of.
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As a religious person, I recognize that we are all the same. There is no one here free of sin, or no one better than anyone else. If you are LGBT, then congratulations, you are a sinner just like everyone else. Your good deeds and being a good person and all of that does not matter. You are not special, you are not above anyone else, your self categorization and desire to be accepted for what you think you are does not change this. You should stop your self worship, look to Jesus for forgiveness, and accept his love... just like every other real Christian. Any one that claims to be Christian that cannot accept this truth is not Christian. LGBT does not make you an exception to this.
Yes I tolerate homosexuals and LGBTQ people. However I will never accept their behavior as something good, something that is loving, or functional/healthy.
I think the LGBTQ community is highly dysfunctional, their sexual immorality tends to have a very negative impact on other parts of their lives.
There is *nothing* logically wrong with indulging sexual hedosim. So long as you practice safe sex, fuck who you find hot, make their crotch feel like the center of the universe and be kind :)
I'm bisexual and experiencing men & women has been quite a treat! If you're straight, then just keep with women in bed but why judge us alphabet people?
@Juxtapose logically wrong? you haven't thought about sex logically at all, if you think the function of a penis is to be inserted into an anus you haven't thought about biology logically. I judge you alphabet people because you have disgusting behavior, that goes against logic.
*shrugs* do you think humans were meant to build large buildings and live in them either? Or how about use this technical abomination known as the internet? Or fly planes? How about eventually modifying our own genetic code or creating artificial intelligence.
Oh and by the way, homosexuality has its place in human evolution. It helps with population control and bonding in a tribe.
@Juxtapose I didn't argue that its unnatural I argued that's illogical. You are just regurgitating rebuttals you picked up from someone else. Because you can't think for yourself.
Building a shelter is a logical thing to do. Building large buildings to concentrate populations and conserve space and efficiency is logical. Creating an efficient system of delivering information is logical. What you just mentioned is function, logic, and human ingenuity.
Homosexuality lacks all those things. Just because homosexuality produces certain outcomes you deem desirable doesn't make it right. You are arguing population control is a good thing. And that bonds of sexual abuse are positive.
@Juxtapose it's because you dont want to hear it. Its illogical to insert a penis into an anus. That doesn't serve the function of either the anus (to expel waste) or the penis (to penetrate a vagina)
To not desire a woman is dysfunctional. Because the sexual impulse is one of procreation. You can't make children with a femboy, and you can't be in love with a femboy. You said it yourself "blah blah blah" that's all people mean to you, a means to an end.
A man who doesn't want to have children hates himself, because children are a continuation of ourselves. You can't be a good father, because you aren't a good man and you aren't a good man because you like to fuck men in the ass. You know this 😂 just never thought about it before. Your thinking revolves around creating reasons for your perverted impulses.
@Juxtapose That’s all in your head, but you are literally disgusting, your nasty thing was in a guy’s a hole lol. Plus the idea of bi is silly, you’re either gay or straight stop playing yourself
@Juxtapose just admit that being gay isn't ok and being with a woman is the right way to do things. It will make you happier <3 God bless you bro. Hope you overcome your homosexuality
I am not religious, and tolerate is the wrong word for it.. I have a live and let live policy As long as they aren't hurting anyone im good with ignoring them.. My only issue is when they try to sexualize little boys by turning them into drag queens.. Or when they try to be inclusive to pedos..
Yes but I have some problems with the culture like the Pride Parades and stuff; I think it's hypersexualized which is counterproductive to the image of the LGBT community.
If you're an LGBT person seeking inclusive religious spaces, inclusive religious spaces include Quakers, Episcopalians, United Church of Christ, Reform/Liberal Judaism, and Conservative Judaism ("Conservative" in the context of Judaism doesn't mean the same thing as political conservatism).
yes I see you what you want to say, I am transgender but I am not part of any community because I have the impression that it is to close in a box, the only community in which I accept that I am put is that of humanity, oh but I don't really believe that religion accepts lgbt people, I think if it is tolerant it denatures itself
I wouldn't call myself religious but I most identify with Christianity. I don't tolerate I accept that people's non straight orientation or gender identification can come from genetic markers and/or from hormonal levels in the womb during development. Intersex people physically show that there are variations that occur in humans. It's biological.
Tolerate means non acceptance. The straights for the most part tolerate them because it doesn't mean they are bad people. But they sure like to shove it in your face.
I am spiritual. I believe that God nor Jesus picked and chose who was worthy and who was not. I believe religion is a way to control people and create order because of the followers in faith. As far as the gay population, they have pushed their way of life down the world's throats and a lot of them are hateful, spiteful and very disrespectful.
Majority of the people don't carry labels clearly stating their faith or sexual orientation when in public places. I'll tolerate anyone as long as they are not shoving their different beliefs down my throat of forcing me into their community, religion or whatever. These things I view as rather personal. For eg, an LGBT person goes to the restaurant and the waiter serving them is a religious person, they both don't really even need to know about it and just need to treat each other with respect.
I believe in God but I'm not religious. As far as gays I don't really care because We are all on our own personal walk with God. If they don't care about spiritual matters then that's on them and the only time My attitude will change is when they attack other people for having a different opinion.
I don't really care what other people are doing in their private life; that's their business. That said, I don't really want to hear about anybody's sex life regardless of their preferences.
I'll also go ahead and mention that this subject almost never comes up in my church (in fact can't think of one instance that wasn't part of a bible study group), while Euthanasia, Abortion, and capitol punishment frequently do (the church is adamantly against all three).
I'm not religious myself but I grew in a Christian household. I'm very in favour of the LGBTQ+ community. Everyone deserves to be loved, gender, colour, religion, etc doesn't matter. And, while I don't follow the Bible for obvious reasons, I have read it and there's nothing there that states that people can't be with those of the same gender. Even if it did, it also says that men were made from dirt and don't know about you but something doesn't had up hahaha
Seeing as religion is clearly stupid and stone age and the cause of evil, I have chosen to rise above it. Anyone has the right to be and feel what they want and LGBT people has to be respected just as any other person. I hope there is a legal penalty for failing to do so is ten years in jail or the chair... Good old sparky... We don't use him enough these days
