
Do you consider Ebonics a legitimate dialect of English or improper use of English?


It's improper. With dialects you just get the odd different word or pronunciation but it's still understandable to others. For example the English say colour not color and they say "where are you?" Rather than the American "where you at" Ebonics just smacks of poor education and a desperate bid to be different.
"Where you at" is more akin to Ebonics than it is to the way the average American would say it. "Where are you" is exponentially more common than "where you at."
The fact is if you're born and raised in an English speaking country then you should follow the rules of that language. Perhaps if they stopped using Ebonics less of their job applications would end up in the bin.
I agree
Though I'd have worded it differently
I consider it a sign of being lazy and uneducated. Blast me for being “racist” all you want but I’ve met too many educated and intelligent black people who don’t talk that way. Using proper English isn’t a “white” thing either. It’s talking like you don’t have a bunch of shit in your mouth.
by the way I was almost deaf when I was a little boy due to the canals in my ears being level when they are supposed to be slanted for drainage (like most people). My ear drums were blocked up and when you can’t hear people speak at that age and then you can’t formulate words well either. I had a bit of a speech impediment growing up. I struggled with “th” vowels. But I managed to overcome it and I can give full speeches without missing a beat.
Point being is just because someone grew up hearing everybody say that Ebonics shit it doesn’t mean they have to continue it.
Linguistically, Ebonics is not improper. Matter of fact it's a recognized dialect of the English language by most linguistics. Ebonics aka African American Vernacular English is an ethnolect or sociolect. Ethnolects are not improper nor wrong. They're just a distinct, but similar, variation of a larger language spoken by an ethnic group.
Ebonics may not be viewed as proper in a societal stance, but that doesn't invalidate it as a legitimate dialect. Most dialects that belong to a minority group (especially one that's been historically disenfranchised) are viewed as improper but they are still legitimate nonetheless.
So during and soon after slavery, when black people were denied books and education, their way of speaking wasn't due to a lack of access to knowledge/education, or denied other means to learn the language properly, it was because they were simply just speaking a legitimate dialect?
It seems you misunderstood what I said. Ebonics is simply an offshoot of Southern American English. The prevailing theory is Black slaves learned ebonics while being around Southern whites and indentured slaves from England. I don't know how well formal education would have been since these dialects are usually already spoken before we even enter grade school.
There is nothing linguistically wrong with Ebonics, the same way there is nothing linguistically wrong when we Southerners say "y'all" or people from Pennsylvania say "yinz" or people from New York say "youse". That's how language functions. When you separate populations of people, who speak the same language, for prolonged periods of time, they will eventually develop their own regional dialect. That's why the US is home to about 30 dialects of English.
"Ebonics" is just bs invented by some professor to legitimize the garbage slang spoken by ghetto people.
He's the type of person who trusts when 'sociologists" say you can't be racist to white people. Because anything that someone with a scientific label says is holy scripture. Oddly enough, the failed school system isn't taken into account by them when the school system is what gives them that scientific label. Well, as long as the "scientists" say things they agree with, that is.
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It is improper use of English but I am sure that the PC crowd will disagree with me.
Improper. A way for those of a low IQ to feel superior to educated people by creating their own language and marketing it to mainstream media to make us all stoop to their level and talk like dumbasses because that's the only power they have.
Why the fuck would I want to look up to a lazy ghetto dweller when there are successful lawyers, CEOs, etc?
And if you don't like ebonics, they play the race card. It's not about race, it's about idiocracy. Don't buy into trash culture.
@The_Sal and you think only black people live in the ghetto? Sounds like you're the racist
@The_Sal no, you do. That's why you called me a racist. Amd white supremacists are republicans, not democrats
@The_Sal lol you're gonna compare politics from the 1800s to now? The parties aren't even the same false correlation. You know what is a real correlation though? All neo Nazis voted for trump! That's the republican party today!
oh they are definitely the same today lol
democrats still focus on skin color just like they did in the 1800s they're using that and precious feelings from dumb uniformed lefties to get votes.
republicans vote on effective people while democrats vote based on skin color and gender. total idiots 😂
@The_Sal oh I thought you were attacking me and calling me the racist, when you were really talking to that dude who posted the red kkk hat... my bad lol
But yeah, there's black supremacy too. That's why I'm independent
It's a bastardization of the English language, kind of like spoken text speak. When I hear it, I just feel like I've dumbed down. That said, keep in mind that when one's education is restricted, you will adopt the language that you hear. This is why there's a schism being the language of the poorest and those who are not.
I mean, there is no denying that black Americans generally have a distinct way of speaking, separate from "regular" American English. However, I think whether you would label it "proper" or "improper" is entirely subjective. Brits think American and Australian English are both "improper". Hell, there's even infighting between Brits over London, Southern Wales, and Birmingham dialects, etc.
It’s a dialect most black people and others who grew up around black people can speak it naturally whereas people who didn’t grow up around us can’t do it or at least sound natural. Just like any other dialect. If you grew up in England you’ll sound British it’s the same thing. I can code switch and speak both proper English or Ebonics like if I’m at a job interview or if I’m with friends.
if language didn't change over time we would all be speaking chaucers English so yes its improper English but its also just an evolution and while others mention its not really dialect, when it comes down to it then its often focused on one area of the country and not exclusive to a certain race either
It is a legitimate dialect.
Per Encyclopædia Britannica:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ebonics
Ebonics, also called African American Vernacular English (AAVE), formerly Black English Vernacular (BEV), dialect of American English spoken by a large proportion of African Americans.
I'm so pleased. Yes, lets cut a line. All languages fork. I think it's helpful.
I admit the snob in me is pleased. I find it hard to understand and am made to feel bad because I don't. If it's another language I'm happy. I can add it to a long list of other languages I have no intention of learning.
Can we go further? Can Americans please stop claiming to speak English? It's not, its American.
I feel it is a legitimate dialect at this point. A lot of ebonics I have seen comes from underfunded areas with lower income families. Schools aside, if you go home to a family that speaks ebonics or have friends that do, you'll pick it up by association.
I think that it is an improper form of English but it's developed into being a legitimate dialect. People who use can be in corporate offices or trying to make ends meet in houses that are too small to meet their needs.
Regular dialect of the English language. I hate seeing some racist responses on here. I don't know why anyone cares if black people speak differently.
if people speak differently it increases the divide beteween us. and that breaks the ties that bind a nation together
assimilation is the cornerstone of peace. without it society breaks down into violence
you are promoting violence
I just went threw the responses and none of them were racist. You could argue that some of them were rude and obscene. But mocking ebonics, of which I don't support, isn't racist. Saying black people are inferior is racist, or assuming a black person has a trait based solely on their skin is racist, but indirectly implying ebonics is worthy of criticism is not racist, even if done crudely. The more you dilute what racism is, the less people will take it seriously.
Improper use of the English language that "Black" people just adopted from Southern culture.. But I still use it cause I like to.. 😅..
@missy52 "Black" people didn't create Southern culture.. People from Southern Britain created Southern culture.. And since most "Black" people lived in the South, they heavily adopted it.. Chitlins, crackah, hymns, Ax, Gospel.. The wildness of Southern culture.. Yeah.. Then they Migrated to the North, and nobody wanted to love around all the mess they brought with them.. Includin "Black" people that was raised in the North.
@Andres77 It definitely does have everything to do with the South.. "Black" people heavily migrated from the south in the early 1900s.. And they brought a whole lot of the culture with them.. And adopted the culture, and modified it over the years. Somehow we got the idea that it was apart of us and that we got a lot of our current culture from Africa.
What committee certifies what dialect gets to be apart of what language?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/3HDm3kx3rhYNo idea
I've never heard it spoken but contrary to the others, I do see it as its own dialect. I don't think it is improper use because it isn't trying to be English. It's the makings of a new language. However, I think it might die out as racial inclusiveness prevails.
At best it is a form of "Pidgin English, " spoken so because some Proper English phonetics are so difficult to speak because the first language doesn't have those sounds in them making them difficult for the speaker to pronounce, or because physical limitations or characteristics make those sounds more difficult. Hence, "children" becomes "chid-ren." It seems that many cultures have trouble pronouncing the English "L" sound. "Aw-ight?"
It is a patois used by poorly-educated Negros and as such can be considered as a dialect due to its structured syntax and vocabulary.
Ebonics is a degenerate form of the English language.
It may be a legitimate dialect like back woods Appalachian, Cajun or Creole, but it's not proper English. I don't even think "y'all" is proper English, despite its wide-spread use.
I don't mind any kinds of accents, it's the actual bad grammar I mind. If you wanna have a ghetto "dialect" by all means go ahead, but you can still have that dialect and speak proper English grammar.
"it's the actual bad grammar" "wanna"
@kingofthellamas Lmao I'm typing, ok. You're pretty immature to point that out when everyone, EVERYONE uses quick words when texting.
i don't think "ebonics" is a dialect. i mean ebonics is an umbrella term for people of many different nationalities, which all have different dialects, so calling a dialect "ebonic" would be inaccurate at best.
Please simply refer to @purplepoppy comment, she sums this up in it's entirety.
Yo dis be sum shit cuh. Y gotta b down on a thug jus cuzy talking wut he learn in da street slangin, tryin make it on that corner cuz its the only lyfe eno how?
@missy52 I'll copy and paste a response I had to someone else.
"I just went threw the responses and none of them were racist. You could argue that some of them were rude and obscene. But mocking ebonics, of which I don't support, isn't racist. Saying black people are inferior is racist, or assuming a black person has a trait based solely on their skin is racist, but indirectly implying ebonics is worthy of criticism is not racist, even if done crudely."
He has a point. To assume all black people speak like that is pretty racist.
It's not an assumption of how all black people would speak. It's the fact that it's a generalization of how black people speak and the part where he assumes that if you are someone who uses Ebonics (which is a dialect made by black people to be used primarily around black people) then you're an inferior person who slings drugs on a corner. Okay, it's not racist but it is mocking and it is prejudice to assume that the people who use the dialect are up to no good illegal business.
@missy52 who said im mocking it? Maybe I've spent time studying it and am showing my expertise in another dialect. You wouldn't give me shit if i learned german as a second language would you?
Literally the only racist prejudiced stuff im hearing is coming from you. Starting off with racist assumptions and then assuming i have all sorts of bad intentions. If i know it so well dont you think i might could live in a community where this is common?
Its funny because people like you have on radio shows called black people racist for saying "black people stuff" because they sounded too "white" saying it. Its hilarious.
Because 1) I've spoken to you before. I know your views, your ethnicity, your behavior. I am not without understanding. 2) You are saying the most basic and common things using ebonics and then professing your expertise. It's not a language that needs learning. You hear it everyday when you turn on the radio. 3) You are white? What are you talking about? I've spoken to you before that's why when you say shit like this I'm not surprised. You have a special nack for speculation and trying to make yourself seem like you're half decent much like your father Trump.
@missy52 i think you're wrong. I actually was raised in a very rough way and grew up selling drugs and pimping and got in all sorts of legal trouble. I also am heavily involved in a community where this is common. So to me its just kinda fun. I dont think there's anything serious good or bad about saying something like that. I also dont think its bad to laugh at it either. Its fun to laugh at super proper English speakers as well. "Excuse me but we do not use contractions in this house, not until one receives a record deal for a rap album. Even then we still do not use double negatives." LOL What a prude!
No, my saying that was me saying my goodbyes to you. I don't mock whole groups of people nor do I enjoy when others do it be it that they use ebonics or that they care for proper grammar. People like you always have a devious plot around the corner that I don't care to be a part of. I genuinely don't enjoy talking to you so I took my leave. That doesn't make me prejudiced. How you say things matters more than what you say. You happen to say shitty things in shitty ways and ain't shit I can do for that.
I only respect proper English speaking citizens of all colors. if you think only blacks speak ebonics then you might be part of the racial divide
You mean like jive used to be?
https://www.youtube.com/embed/g0j2dVuhr6sImproper use of English.
A dialect needs to be spoken by a population. If it is spoken than yeah it's a proper dialect.
At first it might have been improper English but now it’s legitimate. I expect that how all languages start and evolve
I mean you can say it's a dialect. If not a whole new language.
When they want to make a dictionary of it then I'll believe it is
It is a dialect of sorts, but it is also a very improper use of English.
It’s a dialect at this point. No going back now, trust me.
its not proper English
Yes. Just as American is a dialect of English.
It sounds and writes as an illiterate would
It’s improper English.
Improper. It's all slang
Improper.
It's become a part of English language
For shizzle my nizzle
Niggah, puuhhlleezze!!!
Ebonics is rascist
no compredo senor
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