3.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. In theory, yes. The problem, of course, that whatever the philosophical "oughts" may be, the practical realities of the world intervene.
As Edmund Burke once said, "What is the use of discussing a man's abstract right to food or medicine? The question is upon the method of procuring and administering them. In that deliberation I shall always advise to call in the aid of the farmer and the physician, rather than the professor of metaphysics." That is the fundamental defect in the premise of the question.
Raise the minimum wage, and while the economy is doing relatively well, the small and retail businesses that usually pay that wage may be able to absorb the cost or at least pass on the cost to their customers. Indeed, in a full employment economy, a minimum wage may even become a ceiling and not a floor - allowing business to justify lower wages on the basis of the legal standard.
Under such circumstances, minimum wage families may eat comfortably and live relatively well. However, let the economy weaken and unemployment rise, thereby making wages more expensive relative to demand, and minimum wage workers will lose their jobs and while some of those families will continue to do well, most will be scrounging for dinner in a trash bin as their fathers will be among the first to be laid off.
Retail is, in particular, extremely wage sensitive. Marginal increases in labor costs will, more often than not, translate into lost market share. If you doubt that, just ask the good people at Toys R Us. Faced with competition from the likes of Amazon, they ceased to exist and all those minimum wage jobs disappeared.
While there is a case to be made for a minimum wage, its advocates are intemperate. They promise more than a minimum wage can reasonably be expected to deliver in the long run. Indeed, in the context of an economy that is increasingly high tech, a minimum wage is not only apt to do as much damage as good, but in the long run it will eliminate such jobs as they are replaced by automation - forever.
To wit, it is utterly pointless to ask if a minimum wage should provide the necessities for a family. In an ideal world they would. Indeed, in an ideal world there would be no need for a minimum wage as all would be paid in gold and live like kings and queens.
Alas, that is not the world we live in. Thus, you are left to deal with the practical problems and through that prism weigh the costs and benefits. It is drab, but is better than pining for an ideal of which the attempt to bring about its realization will only result in the ruin of its object.00 Reply
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No, raising minimum wage inflates currency and doesn't solve problems.
What needs to be done is more taxation on the sinfully rich, and then more social programs for the bottom 50% of wage earners and expanded Earned Income Credit*.
*I would however require that Earned income Credit come on a Debit Card which cannot be traded for Cash, except during a Federal Emergency anyway, and cannot be spent on Alcohol, Cigarettes, or Firearms, etc. Parents are supposed to be spending this money on raising their children, not their drug or alcohol addiction.
The top 1% of Earners has over 130 times the Accumulated Wealth of the entire bottom 40% of earners combined. They can afford to pay a LOT more taxes, regardless of how much whining Donald Trump and other millionaires and Billionaires do.
Slavery is supposed to be illegal in the United States, but the wealth disparity in the U. S. is greater than it was under slavery before the U. S. civil war. Even slaves owned their own homes and could afford to marry, while most Americans today cannot afford to own a well-built home or any home for that matter. According to the World Health Organization, 1/6th of all U. S. children are "In Hunger", which is only one step up the ladder from "Starvation".
Anyway, raising the minimum wage doesn't stop poverty, because the rich people just raise the prices of everything and inflate the dollar twice that much more, so the poor people end up twice as poor, and the rich end up twice as rich.
Raising taxes on the sinfully rich and re-distributing their wickedly acquired wealth WOULD solve the poverty problem.
For you fake "Christian" republicans, if you try reading the Law of Moses for once (First 5 books of the Bible) The Law of Moses requires a MUCH, MUCH higher tax rate on the rich than what the U. S. has today.
In the Torah, the Rich owe about 45% of their fields first harvest to the Poor directly and another 10% to the Temple and another 10% to the King. They owe their ENTIRE second harvest of crops that produce more than one harvest per season to the poor... (Example would be Yellow Squash, which produce several times until a hard freeze).
... AND they owe a further 10% of all net gain on ALL income of all goods and services to the Temple... AND they owe a bull, heifer, or goat to the temple every time they sin and once per year whether or not they sin... AND they owe all first-born farm animals to the Temple, AND they owe 3 and 1/3rd% of all wood they harvest, whether for lumber or firewood (or 10% every third year)... AND they owe 10% of all Gold they harvest to the King or Governor every year, regardless of whether it's profitable or not (See 1 and 2 Samuel for details).
... AND most importantly every 50th year (Year of Jubilee) the rich people's land is divided among the poor, which prevents any rich person from gaining a multi-generational monopoly over everyone else's lives (Trumps, Kardashians, Gates, Jobs, etc, etc, and Corporations are pretty much banned by this term)... This would be equivalent to having a 2% Annual Federal Property tax on all property above $1,000,000... as a Constitutional DUTY to God, Country, and Man.
Republicans claim to believe in the Bible and believe in God, but they disobey fundamental biblical principles of taxation and tithing... and "Christian" pastors hide their television and radio broadcasts at late-night time, so honest thinking people can't watch it and evaluate how evil they are and expose them because of it.
If you want to stop poverty, follow the Law of Moses, and stop giving actors, athletes, and singers millions of dollars every year just for being "cute" (or stupid) or singing a song or two to you, which their songs aren't even good, all they sing about is out-of-wedlock sexual affairs and drunkenness most of the time. It's garbage.13 Reply- +1 y
Also for you fake Christian Republicans:
Jesus of Nazareth said, in response to the Rich Young Ruler, "How hardly shall they who have riches enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. It is harder for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a Needle."
then his disciples asked him, "Who can be saved?"
Because they had been raised under the Pharaseecal doctrin that wealth was a sign of righteousness, which by the way about 99.9% of all "Christians" still follow this FALSE doctrine.
So Jesus replied, "With men, it is impossible (for a rich man to be saved,) but with God all things are possible... for example, the Book of Job.
But anyway, This is why Jesus told the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.
You fake christian republicans, such as Donald Trump, are going to bust Hell wide open when you die, and that's according to your own professed god-man's core doctrines and teachings (But Donald Trump has never read the Bible, he's just a habitual liar and a fraud, and neither has any other major Republican or Democratic candidate or politician ever actually read the Bible. They are all just liars you fools keep voting for every cycle.). - +1 y
Anyway, inflating currency doesn't stop poverty.
If you want to stop poverty, try obeying God's laws for once... especially you thieving rich people who call yourselves "believers in God".
I believe in God, and I'm here to say I'm not convinced a single person in any Federal elected or appointed office IN MY LIFETIME, "REALLY" BELIEVED IN GOD... not even one of them, and I'm 40 years old.
If they had believed in God, they'd pay more taxes and give to the Poor, and they sure as hell wouldn't support abortion or homosexuality.
And as an example, in the age of the Internet, we can stop flying Presidents and Senators around to political functions. They can talk on the phone or else STFU like everyone else. We don't need security details flying around with political leaders any more, we have teleconferencing. That's an example of rich rulers wasting everyone else's money and living lavishly on everyone else's income, which both Jesus and Moses said ought to be the other way around. - +1 y
I disagree with you whole god argument, we are supposed to have a separation between church and state so I don’t give a fk about morals, you should just be criticizing his economics lol, watch this Ted talk, it explains how an increasing minimum wage does not hurt the rich www.ted.com/.../nick_hanauer_the_dirty_secret_of_capitalism_and_a_new_way_forward
Im from Australia, we have a much higher minimum wage than you guys. But in Australia we dont do tips. But a junior waiter starts on about $20/hr but law dictates the min wage is $29/hr on a weekend and $50/hr on a public holiday. But yea no tips at all. Also some places like restaurants have a weekend or public holiday surcharge on the price of the food to cover wages.
So I guess for you guys it comes down to what industry your in as to whether a increase in min wage would help.
Like a factory worker might be better off.
But a waitress might not get much advantage because people might stop tipping if they know the workers are being paid extra and the price of food will go up in restaurants too if they have to pay staff more, which again might stop people tipping.01 Reply- +1 y
100% I worked as a waitress at a country club ( in a rich town) that paid me $15 an hour and it was RARE I saw them ever leave a tip because they knew how much we were getting paid.
Yes because people should be able to have money for basic human needs like living under a roof, food/water, etc. raising minimum wage doesn’t increase taxes or make things more expensive it just makes the quality of living for others better and I’d rather make people’s quality of living better than have rich assholes benefiting from paying their workers minimum wage and getting cheap labor just to make themselves richer while the poor get poorer.
Universal housing should be a thing because we literally have enough housing in the US to end homelessness but people are too selfish and money hungry that they’d rather make luxury housing for rich people since that’s a bigger market rather than making affordable good housing for the middle class and lower class11 Reply
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+1 yI don't support raising the minimum wage unless they specifically do it a certain way that I know they will never do.
The way I mean is rather than just bump the bottom level up, is lets say they raise it by $7.75 an hour to bump those at $7.25 an hour up to $15 an hour, EVERYONE should get a $7.75 raise... so if someone is already making $15 an hour, they would go up to $22.75... this way it protects the purchasing power for those who have worked their way up. Otherwise all is does is take away from those already making above minimum wage when prices go up... that is not fair at all.
They can put in a income cut off, so if you make more than 500k a year you don't get, but everyone under that gets it... the cut off amount could be 250k, etc... whatever.
How would you feel if your making $16 an hour now and suddenly everything costs more and new hires are making $15 an hour and don't know what they are doing? yet you got years of experience... but your employer cannot afford to pay you more or raise their prices more cause they already had to, to cover the raise in minimum wage.
Thus I say I will only support if it EVERYONE who makes under 250k or 500k gets that $7.75 an hour. Rather than squeezing the middle class, should keep most everyone the same.
Although raising it will cost a lot of jobs, even the government report from the CBO says so.
Minimum wage hikes do encourage more automation, businesses will always do whatever is 'cheaper' if automation is cheaper they'll switch. If paying minimum wage is cheaper, they'll go that route.
Right now in my area though, we can't hire enough people. Even fast food is starting at $12 an hour and $11 an hour if 16 years old and no experience.
More jobs than people willing to work, despite so many on unemployment. Many places have signs saying please be patient with us, we are unable to hire enough help...40 minutes in a drive through line the other night just curious how long it would take to spend 20 bucks on a burger and a salad, I can't imagine how much that would go up if minimum wage went up causing supply chain and other costs to go up.12 Reply- +1 y
@blondfrog I agree, I've seen it go up before and while costs do not instantly go up, they do. Tying it to inflation seems horrible too, imagine rapid inflation and rapid increases to keep up.
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+1 yCertainly not to $15.00 an hour! There are several reasons this is simply a folly.
Minimal skills and minimal experience deserve minimal pay, and that is NOT $15 for sweeping and wiping tables.
Raising the cost of labor will result in a net LOSS of jobs: fast food joints already have order kiosks and apps to forego the middleman.
If the minimum wage is - say doubled - then someone making a professional wage of perhaps $85,000 a year would then be justified in getting $170,000 a year, just to "stay in parity". And please drop that BS argument that the minimum wage is not a LIVING wage! IT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE ! Entry level jobs were aimed at college-age kids earning money for college in the summer, moms to supplement the household income or save money for _____________________ (fill in desired material want, not NEED) , and even to have a part-time second job when needed. But they never were meant to be a living wage of a salesman, doctor, writer, accountant, musician, massage therapist, etc., wherein workers need specific study and training! My four-year-old grand-daughter can wipe a table better than most, yet that is just part of her daily household DUTIES!
In the 1950's - 1960's , one salary was more than enough to buy a home and raise a family. As people got more and more greedy and material-focused, mom had to get a job for that mink or to save for that summer vacation home. Before long that little job checking groceries may have become a full time, low-level managerial job with more headaches, not much more money, and a detrimental effect on the family/homefront.
I have been out of work for 3 long spells, but each time, I got back in the workforce. Sometimes I needed classes to learn new skills. Other times I just needed to shift to the "B pile" of choices, but every time I did get back to work.
We own our house, put two kids through college, and- something most governments can NEVER do- each year we have a surplus for our retirement.00 Reply 1.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Raising the minimum wage results in fewer jobs and in modern times, increased motivation to bring in ever more automation - permanently replacing many entry-level jobs.
The right way to make more money is to make yourself more valuable - if you can show that you do more work in less time with fewer mistakes, or in some other way bring more value to the company, it's not hard to either get a raise or find a better job.
When I started in IT, I was a temp making $12.25/hour. 3 years later, I was making $30/hour, and 2 years after that, it was $50/hour. But I showed up to my reviews with stats that proved I was outperforming my coworkers by a significant margin. Twice I had nee positions created for me to get around salery limits, because I made myself too valuable to lose.
Minimum wage jobs aren't intended for adults to live off of, they're intended to be entry-level jobs for people with no work experience. The free market will adjust wages as necessary, but if you are only providing entry-level value, you shouldn't be surprised to receive entry-level pay. Increase your value to the company - and be able to prove it with numbers - and you won't ever need to worry about minimum wage.34 Reply- +1 y
The free market doesn't adjust wages at an equivalent rate, the working class has lost almost half its buying power since 1970.
The power imbalance between labor and ownership is too much without large unions. Individuals may manage to negotiate well, but on the whole buying power is eroding for most people.
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It's not about providing value. I closed 6 million dollars in contracts and still ended the year with a 13% pay cut.
Without unionization you're at the mercy of a bunch of sociopaths who will invariably pocket the inflation differential. Particularly if there's limited competition or collusion.
The problem is upward pressure putting the squeeze on middle earners who have no leverage in negotiations.
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The problem is twofold:
1. Wealth always gets transfered upwards until something big happens that changes that direction. Issue is we have NO solution to this. And throughout human history we tried all sorts of systems and EVERY single system did that.
2. Tax-rates have increased drastically - which always results in higher living standards. The issue is that living expenses have grown more than income. And taxes are a major reason for that.
I support it in theory, but you have to make sure that the sweat equity of the money value you spend on your employees rises along with the wage, otherwise you will only destroy retired people's savings and drive up the cost of living. In plain English; you want to make sure that the person you are paying $15/hr is doing the twice the value of the work you would pay that same employee at $7.50/hr, because the value of money will go down if you don't.
Increasing the cost of labor is going to increase the cost of obtaining goods and services. This is partially because it costs the companies more to make the products themselves. But more importantly. the cost of materials rises because all of the wages of the workers needed to obtain the supplies to make the products rise as well.
If you own an orange juice squeezing company, you need to buy oranges for your business to function. So the orange grower is going to sell you oranges at the price they need to charge to pay for the cost of the workers it took to grow your oranges. If that labor costs more, so do the oranges. This is hyperbolic, but if the grower's normal cost is $1 for a box of oranges and labor doubles in price, that same box of oranges might cost you $1.50 instead. Now you have to pay for the increased cost of oranges, as well as your own workers to squeeze the oranges.
This increased cost of living is fine if you're still working, but it's a huge problem if you have saved for retirement. Now the money that you saved up doesn't go as far as it did when you were saving.10 Reply- 888 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yYes. The theory that is often used by opponents is that anyone who needs enough money to live off of is responsible for getting a better paying job. The problem is that there are not enough such jobs to go around so no matter what, there will always be a small percentage (around 10%-15%) who can not earn enough to live off of even by working 60 hours and many employers ban over time and many prohibit having a second job. The other argument against is that an increase in minimum wage would put most small businesses out of business or cause horrible inflation. None of these arguments are valid. The typical businesses that pay minimum wage are restaurants and retail. In such businesses labor cost consists of about 20% of the price of an item. So a $100 price tag breaks down to $20 in labor. Wages constitute about 85% of labor costs. The rest is taxes and benefits. An increase in wage from $10 an hour to $15 an hour would be an increase from $20 to $28.5 for total labor cost which would increase the price of that item from $100 to $108.50. While that would certainly have a temporary affect on the economy it would not be enough to discourage the vast majority of people from shopping. We've already seen a much bigger increase than that in many segments in retail and hospitality over the last year. Food prices have in many cases increased by over 50% which is a lot more than 8.5%. The effect of this could be minimized by making the increase incremental like Florida which plans to increase minimum wage from $8.65 an hour which it is currently to $10 an hour in September and then increase by a dollar every September until it reaches $15 an hour at which it will increase as per inflation after that. So that means your McMeal will go from about $10 to about $10.25 as a result. Most people won't even notice.
10 Reply My concern with it is that it might displace minorities out of the job market. It's like if you're an employer looking to hire people of bare-minimum skills (say a burger flipper), and you have the choice between an immigrant who can barely speak English or a native-born citizen who speaks fluent English, and have to pay them both the same amount... and both are not allowed to charge less for their services... I think inevitably the one fluent in English will be preferred. That's a blatant example but I suspect this also applies to some extent to racial minorities... like so:

Economists don't drill down to these things so often. Proponents talk about net labor participation rates not dropping, but they don't talk so much about growing racial disparities, for example.
Price floors make people more selective, inevitably. You force both a can of generic Cola and a can of Coca Cola and people will probably predominantly favor the Coca Cola at this point since there's no longer an economic incentive to favor the generic. The people selling generic cola are no longer legally allowed to charge less. So they lose to brand name appeal and what's popular in the market. Price floors take the negotiating powers away from the people who want to outbid what's popular by selling their products/services for cheaper.16 Reply- +1 y
A very tricky argument so easily misconstrued in intent from Friedman, but ruthlessly practical nonetheless:
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You do know that chart ignores the 08 crisis right? It's not that minimum wage and black teenage unemployment are connected it's that in 2008 unemployment was high across the board for everyone.
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@Hypnos0929 Consider the overlap here as an alternative example:
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@Hypnos0929 That dates back to the late 1940s and beyond. Of course, it is difficult to separate correlation from causation, but black unemployment rates seemed to skyrocket quite proportionally in a linear fashion with minimum wage hikes adjusted for inflation. Before the 1940s, black unemployment/labor participation rates were often comparable to whites and there was even a time during the 30s when white unemployment was *higher* than blacks (something we might have a hard time imagining today that more white people were unemployed than blacks), and crime and incarceration rates almost equal between the two.
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@Hypnos0929 And some interesting quotes from history about min wage:
>> 1. "It is much better to enact a minimum-wage law even if it deprives these unfortunates of work. Better that the state should support the inefficient wholly and prevent the multiplication of the breed than subsidize incompetence and unthrift, enabling them to bring forth more of their kind." -- [Eugenics argument] from Royal Meeker, advisor to Woodrow Wilson
>> "We have not reached the stage where we can proceed to chloroform them once and for all; but at least they can be segregated, shut up in refuges and asylums, and prevented from propagating their kind…" -- F. W. Taussig
>> 7. "[The minimum wage will] protect the white Australian’s standard of living from the invidious competition of the colored races, particularly of the Chinese." -- Arthur Holcombe
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+1 yI absolutely do. And the only argument I see for people against it, is it's bad for the economy and it will cause many businesses to not hire anyone. Lots of jobs will be lost. And that is true, but shouldn't we try to come up with a solution so that the government actually helps the majority and not the minority? The people making the argument against raising minimum wage are always the ones that get much more than minimum wage so they have that level of comfort and don't want to share.
The majority of the people in the world are working for minimum wage and it usually is not enough to provide a decent level of comfort. Shouldn't the government's focus be on the majority?
I see the solution as a very simple approach. There's no reason ANYONE should be making hundreds of millions of dollars. If we distribute the wealth a little more, then most people can be happy or at least content with what they earn and minimum wage would provide a decent level of comfort. Rather than an owner making their employees wages many times over, isn't it better to reduce that a little just so everyone can live a little better? I think the wages system can be much much better than it is right now.00 Reply
+1 yAnyone who studies economics will you that outcome of raising minimum wage has 2 outcomes. 1. low wage workers have more money to spend, and since they're not good with money they spend 100% into the economy. (that's good). 2. Employers like Starbucks, Kroger, Walmart, Amazon, McDonald's, Walgreens, CVS, The vape shop, the local liquor store etc... each of those companies need to come up with the extra money to employees $15 Per hour. They DO NOT absorb those extra cots and have less profit. Some of those stores don't make enough profit to survive if you take employees from $7 per hour to $15 per hour. Some will go out of business. Rather than go out of business, they raises prices to make up for the difference. That's BAD. Consider this. The person making $7 per now now makes $15, but now Gas is more expensive to buy, food is more expensive, restaurants are more expensive, everything at the grocery store is now more expensive (for everyone). That's bad. All those people now make more money, but because of increases prices (called inflation) they can now buy less. Example: Starbucks goes from $3 to $5. Increased Min wage is BAD.
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+1 yI would have to say no, inflation will happened. I think the focus for governments. Affordable housing, healthy foods, transportation, and affordable education. There is factors for people that can't take time off work to study with children. Also, I don't know how but incentivization of tax relief for employees that are paid higher then market pricing for work. So, let's say warehouse worker, market is $15 per hour; the employer is going to pay $19 per hour, but they are able to be a bit more choosy on their employees they keep. They should be able to get tax relief for paying the higher wages as long as the employee is with the company for a period of time. If the basics including utilities, are affordable, you work harder you get paid more, you live a better life. If there are people that need help because of issues, then they should get the help they need to do better in life. There's grants everywhere but they are not accessible to the general populace, people don't qualify the right way.
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+1 yI actually argue for no minimum wage and less regulations, but also less regulations for employees/consumers as well. Way too many restrictions for the average joe. No weed, no prostitutes, satanism is restricted even when its supposed to be protected by the constitution, a car is necessary for most jobs even if the job's wage barely even covers it, etc.
For example, take a barber shop. To be a barber in the US, from what I know, there's several things you need to know about the structure of the hand, the head, etc. For fucking hair-cutting. Then people wonder why there's crime, riots, etc? That and similar reasons is often why. Not to mention having to pay for a haircut license, etc. or whatever. But then, how many regulations does Great Clips and such demand they not have?
As I've said before, nowhere do we have truly free markets. We have socialism for the wealthy only. People with wealth can spend how they please, but I see no reason to give them socialistic benefits for it.
And that's just businesses. What about politicians? Did you know that politicians have a tram underneath the capital building to get from place to place, even if it's maybe a 20 minute walk? Yup. YOUR tax dollars fund it and the same ones who say public transit is too expensive. I do agree public transit may not be the key to anything, but then, why do politicians get it in DC? I think they should walk too and face whatever elements their taxpayers face. How about that?00 Reply Do I agree with redirecting more income to low income including working poor? Yes.
would I exclude self employed from that? No. Would I raise the funds to help working poor people by imposing a tax on hiring low income people? No - it would be better to fund it almost any other way, you'd rather tax something else to avoid discouraging the hiring of the very people you're trying to help. Effectively, minimum wage increase is the same thing.
so given the opportunity I'd actually reduce minimum wage while creating a ubi or negative income tax, and allow a smoother transition from those living entirely on government redistribution through a group receiving some mix of income and redistribution to those who are net contributors to the system.
raising minimum wages in areas where the market wage is close to the minimum wage doesn't cause too much damage.
our idea of a "living wage" continues to increase over time (and if you fully account for healthcare and retirement it's a lot higher). The reality is a significant number of people can not actually generate enough economic activity to cover that "living wage". The better solution is not to ban them from employment, it's to supplement their income.00 Reply
+1 yNo I do not, all it does is force price for goods and services to go up. Thats called
Hyperinflation. (see for note on the meaning)
So all thats going to happen is make the county even more poor, crime higher and worse off then before.
What we need is someway to bring cost and spending down. So we can have more money to have.
Like one way, smaller goverment means less taxes, end prop. tax, end gas tax and so much more. Then the price of goods will go down and everyone has more money.
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What Is Hyperinflation?
Hyperinflation is a term to describe rapid, excessive, and out-of-control general price increases in an economy. While inflation is a measure of the pace of rising prices for goods and services, hyperinflation is rapidly rising inflation, typically measuring more than 50% per month.
Although hyperinflation is a rare event for developed economies, it has occurred many times throughout history in countries such as China, Germany, Russia, Hungary, and Argentina.10 Reply- 756 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yWell I would prefer that all businesses be run democratically as worker cooperatives, if this isn't done then I think we should raise the minimum wage.
Also if you're going to use these arguments, know the counter:
-It will hurt small businesses because it will be harder to pay their employees: because people will be paid more, there will be more people willing to buy whatever good they're producing (demand side economics).
-It will encourage automation: Just because something's easy for a person to do doesn't necessarily mean it's easy to automate. I mean a "computer" was once a skilled job title but a burger flipper is still in demand as it was in the 50s and 60s.
-It will increase unemployment because small businesses won't be able to pay as many employees: Because they're making more, fewer people will have to work multiple jobs thus opening up positions.
-Businesses are in business to make money, not pay their employees: And the economy exists for our well being, not the other way around.00 Reply - 4.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yTheoretically, yes. I just don’t think it’d make a difference. Unfortunately, one of the flaws of a “free market” economy is that it allows corporate greed to run unchecked. So when people have more money in their pockets, and when companies have to pay employees more (both the minimum wagers and others who feel their value should be proportionately the same distance from minimum wage as it was before), the businesses will just raise the costs of their goods and/or services, so the people meant to be benefitting from a raise in minimum wage will really just be making a lateral move. It’s not the wages that are the problem as much as it’s the system we’re in.
20 Reply 669 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I am absolutely baffled that so many people believe a minimum wage is volatile for industry. It is volatile for ineffective industries. Beyond that it is a simple redistribution of earnings.
Also, don't be silly people. The minimum wage - like every other wage - should be increased on a yearly basis (assuming progress but hey, always is). It also historically has been increased. Now it has been what? 10 years since? More? Even just adjusting for expected inflation that should be a 22% or so increase to maintain the same level of income - not to increase it. If we also adjust for the increased productivity we could very well choose a much higher number and still have companies be much better off. Discussing the number is fine. Discussing the need to raise it while defending its existence is idiocy.
Not wanting one at all is honestly less silly but is about as naive as advocating we all just share and rely on people being nice to each other.10 Reply
+1 yYes I do (UK focus), it should be a living wage as opposed to simply minimum.
however society would need to accept an increase in unemployment and people in certain sectors accept they will loose their jobs.
a mate of mine runs his own pub, when he took it over, he asked the staff if they wanted minimum wage or real living wage rounded up.
it’s an increase from £8.72 to £9.50 but he rounded up to £10 an hour. ( or whatever it was then but it’s now £2 over average for bar staff).
he explained to do this he would need to lose 1 member of staff. They accepted it and 1 person lost their job.
Also in companies you run the risk of having say cleaners on minimum wage moved up to close to say manufacturing personnel who then feel a bit devalued.
it can have a knock on effect, however over all it should be done, I know as an organisation we have no one on minimum wage, although we still get bitching and moaning lol.10 Reply
+1 yOfc, anyone who doesn’t is not properly educated about the subject, here is why, it is a cycle, think about it this way, when people have more money, they spend more money on those businesses, those people then get higher quality items, and those businesses are making more money, when the businesses pay their workers more they are not loosing money nor are they gaining money, but the quality of life goes up for everyone that works for the business, and the business will not actually loose any money :)
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While your cycle theory has logic, it's incomplete. I love that you are considering the topic from a logical perspective rather than an emotional one. With that said, your view is a bit too narrow. Once you take a few Economic classes you'll see the big picture of how it really works. You said, "those businesses are making more money, when the businesses pay their workers more they are not loosing money nor are they gaining money" Sorry... but that statement is wrong. As an MBA I can tell you that "Business" doesn't work that way. You're not considering the measurement of "profit" in your assessment. Business DO NOT make more money when they pay employees more. NOR do they make more money when they raises prices. "making money" as you described, it requires "profit". You need to calculate/consider profit into your logic. Paying higher wages reduces profit. Even if you sell more, creating more revenue, that additional revenue does not mean more profit.
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@Bright_blue_eyes yes, I understand the fact that they will lose money the moment that the wages are higher, I get the idea of profit, but if there is more money in the working class, won’t the working class spend more money on these businesses causing the quality of life to improve over all? Or am I just missing what you are trying to imply by profit😂😳 I do understand that if one place starts to pay more they will loose money, but if the minimum wage increases I believe that the money will cycle through the system and overall increase the quality of life, I am probs missing something but I can’t figure out what it is, but even if not all the money cycles back through I do think it is worth it, but I definitely believe a majority would🤔
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@Bright_blue_eyes here is a video I found after some research for my collage economics class I am in figured I would send it to u :) www.ted.com/.../nick_hanauer_the_dirty_secret_of_capitalism_and_a_new_way_forward
I understand the sentiment, but it will end badly. Economies should be left alone. This will destroy a lot of jobs. Only a fraction will get the wage, the rest will remain unemployed.
It's not just $15 minimum. What about the people who are more experienced at $20 now? They will expect a raise for their level of experience and training, and this trickle with all pay.
It will add inflation. Economist are saying it will not be linear, or as bad as conservatives claim, but the prices we pay now for virtually everything will increase, which will negate the purpose of the minimum wage. If rent costs $1,200 now, in five years the same rental could exceed $2-3,000. The gallon of milk now $3.50, but $6 in about five years.
All said, for low earners, their expectation is to have even a much larger minimum wage that would make our currency as competitive as a Peso. It's zero sum.06 Reply- +1 y
Federal minimum wage hasn't increased in over a decade but the cost of everything else has.
In 2009 the average unfurnished apartment was $1,064 a month in 2018 it was $1,588, 49% increase...
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Similar increases can be seen across the board
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For things to work best is to not have a minimum wage. That inspires people to develop a set of marketable skills and experience. There needs to be a wide salary range as well. The $15/hour is a living wage. Sounds nice, but it artificially inflates prices. After a bit, it's no longer a living wage.
And the living wage idea is not realistic. Most low-wage jobs are for inexperienced, low talent, young and new labor to get started. These jobs need to be filled with students and people who don't want to seek out other opportunities.
And when young people start out, they don't need their own place. It's more ideal for them to either get a group to rent an apartment or home that they can pile into to all have a roof over their head. If not that, they need to be living with family as they work on their marketable skills.
What we would see is people constantly looking for better jobs and seeking out opportunities than promote equality. - +1 y
$15 an hour is not the living wage... So there would still be a desire to make more.
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I hear that, but I have also seen a lot of "$30,000 millionaires" a lot of people start to get themselves into trouble when they hit this amount. They start buying cars, taking out credit cards, buying neat toys and such. Granted it's not that much, but I have seen people get by, especially a couple making around $30k each.
I personally couldn't live on $30k. But then again I can't imagine living on $40 or $50k. Even $60k would be hard and $70 ana $80k is where money is just okay... It's far better to be over $90k, and even better to be over $100k because that's where you afford yourself. The sweet spot is over $125k. And what I am getting at is, enough is never enough.
I know people making north of $125 badly in debt, $300k house and going on vacation is getting a new credit card.
And my point is that you can bump up minimum wage and all you would do is bump up the poverty amount. And my second point is, most people expand their pay well past $30k right now with effort and insight.
+1 yNo. Inflation of prices happens along with minimum wage hence why we keep raising it and nothing has changed. People used to make $4 an hour and they thought changing it to $8 would do something. Now here we are still in the same position only now in some states like mine people at McDonald’s are now making just as much as people with degrees which in my opinion is disgusting.
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Mm no inflation happens even when minimum wage doesn't go up.
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Inflation happens for multiple reasons but honestly I’m more disgusted that people at McDonald’s are making the same as people that have worked their asses off in college. McDonald’s is not supposed to be a career
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My friend is a bachelor degree student making $18 an hour teaching while McDonald’s workers are about to be making $15 an hour which is gross
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Everyone should be paid more it's not disgusting that McDonald's workers are going to be getting $15 and hour it's disgusting that a person with a degree is getting $18 an hour.
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Yes but the problem with people that view your view as okay is that you guys have such an unrealistic way of thinking. Of course it’s an issue, but shouldn’t the focus be on people that more so deserve to get paid more and not some inexperienced 17-18 year old straight out of high school? McDonald’s is a stepping stone job, not a career. It should not be treated like you can live off of it. People need means to be able to progress in life career wise. I see a lot of people never attempting to get better careers.
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No... Every job should pay a living wage to adults. Doesn't matter what kind of job it is you should still be able to live comfortably off of it.
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In my opinion they shouldn’t. Living with $15 an hour is not even living comfortably. Most people can’t live comfortably unless if they make about $58,000-60,000 income. That is average for people in my state. I make $40 an hour on average as a waitress and I just barely live comfortably
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You people are getting bread crumbed with a couple dollars extra an hour to distract you from the fact that basic needs are going to go up in price by a lot sooner or later.
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Comfortably is different for different people. You should be able to pay rent, utilities, groceries and necessities and still have a little left over for savings.
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I also pay student loans, car insurance, rent, food, utilities, car payment. I’d I had kids that would play a factor etc. you are being tricked by being breadcrumbed when $15 an hour is not able to get you much. Also getting tricked by employers because I’m sure hours will be cut and such for pay cuts.
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Like I said you should be able to pay all that and have a little left over.
If a business can't afford to pay it employees a living wage then the business shouldn't be open.
Also I'm just talking minimum wage increase in general not specifically to $15 - +1 y
Like I said, you are talking in word of having it be a living wage but then you are saying living wage is different to everyone. So bread crumbing some kids at McDonald’s because they still live with their parents and such works, but it doesn’t even do much for the adults that work there and have kids, have actual bills, have a house payment, car payment , car insurance , etc.
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It is going up to $15 an hour in my state which is Ct. the last job that offered me $15 an hour, I worked maybe 15 hours a week and my paychecks were absolute horrid.
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No I meant everyone's idea of living comfortably is different but being able to pay all that and have extra for savings is what comfortably really is.
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Adding a few extra dollars an hour will not achieve that. Moving up minimum wage only benefits kids that still work at places that provide zero comfortability in living and never will. It teaches kids to be stagnant in life because it sounds great getting $3 more dollars an hour.
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No it will not only benefit kids. It will increase pay of over 40 million workers. Over 26% of the work force.
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Of course because 40 million people work in minimum wage jobs but if you only accept a $3 raise as good, that sounds like lack of life experience and drive to find a better job. Again with them bread crumbing you a few measly dollars per hour it sounds great in terms of still being a kid but in the end it won’t make much of a difference to your paychecks as pay cuts will definitely come into play and it’s really only $3. I remember the day I got my first job and thought I was doing good making $10.05 an hour. Then I started making a little more but didn’t realize the capability I have of making even more. Thought that little bread crumb of a raise was so good.
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It distracts you from all the cons of minimum wage going up.
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Raising the minimum wage would increase poverty.
A study from the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland found that although low-income workers see wage increases when the minimum wage is raised, “their hours and employment decline, and the combined effect of these changes is a decline in earned income… minimum wages increase the proportion of families that are poor or near-poor.” [47] As explained by George Reisman, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Economics at Pepperdine University, “The higher wages are, the higher costs of production are. - +1 y
People aren't going to be getting a $3 raise. It will go up gradually. Or you'd start out on the new minimum wage. Everyone knows you can earn more than that... I don't know why you are so stuck on this idea...
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All in all it is going up gradually about $4-$5 which isn’t a huge benefit. Again you are being distracted by a few extra dollars an hour.
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I'm not distracted it doesn't effect me, I earn well above minimum. It's a huge benefit to those that need it.
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I’m not meaning specifically you, I mean specifically people that are gloating about getting an extra few dollars over the course of a few years and they aren’t progressing when they could’ve progressed to a better job within that amount of time.
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Some people simply don't want to, and that is okay. If you want to work in a supermarket all your life go for it i don't care as long as you are healthy happy and fed that's all that matters. It's exciting to be earning more money and to possibly have disposable income
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Working in a super market should not be your goal in life which is the point here. I’ve worked in one , it is for kids that are still in high school / kids going to college to better their life. Working at a super market does not take skill and should not be praised like it takes skill to work there. Again it give mores disposable money to kids. A few extra dollars still puts you at poverty rate.
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I don't know where you got that idea. If supermarkets were meant for school kids then they would only be open after school hours and closed at earlier times. Not everyone has to do a job that requires skill.
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Staying stagnant in life shouldn’t be the goal. Again I don’t think it’s fair that my friend that has a 4.0 GPA and even skipped a year in college because she holds high intelligence deserves making $3 more than a McDonald’s worker.
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I’m a college student, I take night classes so I work morning so where’s your point?
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I didn’t say adults couldn’t work there, but don’t expect to be able to be a single mother trying to make a living wage off of working at a super market. That’s ridiculous.
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But you totally can... There's more to supermarkets than working check out and stocking shelves, you can actually move up the ladder.
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Oh of course I made sandwiches at the super market I worked at and it’s not a job I’d consider to live off of. You can move up the ladder but again that is progressing, which is my point here. Settling making sandwiches for minimum wage and not contemplating about progressing is the problem. You just mentioned my point. Management in super markets is different than cashiering.
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Yeah I totally agree that working checkout (for example) forever isn't reliable or a great thing to do. Your point to me seemed like anyone working in any part of a stepping stone job didn't have a career path. Which is simply untrue because you can move up In any business if you are capable enough to, but I agree if you haven't moved up you should look for a different job.
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But either way I do think that these jobs should pay well enough to live off of and I think other positions should also pay more.
A lot of businesses elsewhere would match minimum wage increases. Min wage goes up 50c then everyones wage goes up 50c. - +1 y
Nope my whole point here was progressing. Progressing doesn’t necessarily mean going to college, it means having a skilled career path. Making sandwiches does not do that, being a cashier does not do that. But that goes to my point that why wait to make an extra few dollars every increasing year when you can make $20 an hour extra at a different better job?
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An extra few dollars an hour does not make you live any more :) it’s just bread crumbing people that haven’t seen that extensive amount of money. It has no benefits to it
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I feel like you've never actually had to struggle... An extra few $ would have saved my ass when I first started working at 16, I was living pay check to pay check. I never had any left over money, those extra couple dollars an hour would have been a dream.
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Girl I never had to struggle? You know what I drive? A 2003 Subaru. My mother stole my life savings that I saved up for as a kid. My bank account savings is my personal money that I did get help from. My first job I thought making $10.15 an hour was a blessing. Don’t assume. That only makes an ass out of you and me
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I didn’t get help making my current bank account savings*
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On top of that I pay my own college tuition. Have never had my parents chip in.
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So you are saying someone with a college degree should automatically get paid more? I do not have a college degree and I make over $250,000.00 a year. College degrees do not mean anything accept you bought into the big LIE. I do agree a education is important but a college degree needs to be saved for certain professions such as Doctors, Lawyers, and the like. This stupid garbage thinking everyone should have a college degree is just ignorant. I will take my quarter million a year with no college degree over a college degree every single day.
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Nope that’s not what I’m saying at all. I am saying anyone that has a qualified skill deserves more pay than a job that requires zero skill or life experience. You are making that much because you have a skill. My father makes a crap ton of money as a plumber with no degree because of his skill along that he owns his own business. I am a college student going into dietetics and I don’t expect to make 100k a year but it is a job that requires a skill where I won’t be on my feet doing physical labor like I am waitressing. Maybe you should read through the comments instead of assuming I am just talking about college students. I think my friend that went to school to become a teacher does deserve a bigger salary. She has a skilled job that takes experience and time to get.
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Anyone can get their hands on a minimum wage job hence why it’s labeled minimum wage. There is little to no requirements for those jobs. They don’t deserve to make a living wage which kind you isn’t even a few extra breadcrumbed dollars
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IF YOU ARE WILLING TO WORK YOU SHOULD BE GETTING PAID A LIVING WAGE.
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A living wage is not bread crumbs handed to you by the government go progress in life and stop proving to a company you have zero life skills other than cashiering etc.
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Your reasoning just makes no sense. I assume you are currently earning above minimum wage perhaps above living wage so does that mean you have no insensitive to improve your skill and move up in your job?
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Didn’t we go over this conversation yesterday? If you are staying stagnant in a position that is unskilled you should not expect to make anything more than what an unskilled worker will make. If you prove you are skilled enough to become a manager of course you deserve more pay. Telling yourself “I deserve to make a living wage because I have cashiered for 5 years” only proves you have no other skills where you could move up. You don’t deserve a living wage for being stagnant in life. I have made minimum wage in the past and I have told myself I am never ever going back. I would only be stupid going back to a minimum wage job.
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Yeah and I'm pretty sure I said skilled workers should be earning an equal amount more.
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And that is super unrealistic. Raising minimum wage does not guarantee skilled workers to make more. This is the fantasy you live in. It’s the selfishness of thinking that just because minimum wage workers get help, that means everyone else does. Hell, even essential nurses haven’t even gotten one single benefit from the pandemic, and they are SKILLED workers.
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But also just because you are skilled doesn't mean you can move up in a job quickly. Some skilled workers start out at minimum wage, which is shit but it happens. Being able to feed, clothe and home yourself shouldn't be a privaledge.
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It's not a fantasy it's what I THINK should happen and what does happen elsewhere
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You keep mentioning PROGRESSING. That is my point! You are dodging people that have stayed stagnant in a cashier position demanding to be paid ridiculously! You are dodging the point that it does not take much to step away from working minimum wage. And it is a privilege because it is relatively EASY to find a job that pays above minimum. It is a fantasy because everyone that thinks like you , thinks exactly like you that you think raising minimum wage is benefit everyone when it only benefits the people that don’t see you are wasting your time preaching for a better wage instead of finding something that does!
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*sigh* i wish you would actually read what I say. All I've been saying is a minimum wage worker should be able to live on their wage. Will some people take advantage of that? Sure. Will most people still want to move up and earn more money? Definitely, people want disposable income.
I never said it would benefit everyone. Infact I said it would 40 million people. Obviously not everyone.
You're reading into things too much because you've decided you don't like me so anything I say you add things to it that I've never said. - +1 y
You just said that you also think that people above should get paid more which will not happen just because minimum wage people get paid more! I have been reading what you have been saying and I don’t agree with it. A minimum wage job is supposed to be a stepping stone job and not a job where you can live life comfortably. The government breading crumbing you a few extra dollars won’t even achieve that really. You will still be living off government assistance and such with a few extra dollars per hour. I never said I didn’t like you at all, I just think you are a very rude person for assuming I’m privledged because I found my way out of minimum wage living as everyone should! No one should have a goal of only making minimum wage. It’s insane that people will stay stagnant in a minimum wage job because it’s gradually going up in income instead of finding a better job that doesn’t bread crumb you to win you over. I also think you are a shitty person for calling someone stupid for doing exactly what you did.
+1 yIt doesn't matter how high you make the bottom, it's still the bottom. If you increase the minimum wage to $15 dollars, you have about 6 months before the market catches up, and it's no longer a 'living wage'. All this leftist marxist ideology is fun with words, it doesn't mean anything. If you are making $15 an hour, but a hamburger costs $12, then it doesn't really matter that the wage increase happened. All it does is cause inflation. And all the money your parents saved for retirement becomes worthless. Because a dollar when they saved it bought what 5 dollars buys now.
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Inflation after a minimum wage increase is almost nothing. It's been over a decade since we have raised the minimum wage and inflation has happened. So minimum wage should go up to match that.
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Right, except right now you are effectively talking about doubling it. And inflation is already exceeding expectations. You'll get your $15 after it doesn't mean anything anymore. And if you need that, then perhaps you should work on marketable skills.
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Fact of the matter is there is always going to be people in lower income jobs. But lower income jobs should still give you enough money to live not just scrape by or require you to work ungodly amount of hours. I have a friend who often does 100 hour weeks because he can't afford to live otherwise. That is not right.
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That's not going to happen. If everything costs more, then $15 per hour, tomorrow is what $7 is today. I worked in Italy for a while. Their currency at the time was the Lira. At one point in their history, the Lira was competitive with the dollar. They even had sub divisions of a Lira, in coins, like we do. Well, when it takes 2000 Lira to equal one dollar, then those coins are worth the metal they are made out of. How did they get to that point? Massive social programs and corrupt politicians cause so much massive inflation that it devalued the currency. Money run on faith. The faith that you can hand somebody a printed piece of paper in exchange for goods and services. When you devalue that paper, it takes more. $15 won't lift anybody up because everything will cost more. And we are already in the fear zone of runaway inflation, because of mass money printing.
Look at the things you buy and see how much they cost 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago?
I don't sense you understand the economic dynamics going on here. It just sounds good with pretty words, like 'living wage'. That's not what going to happen. It's going to devalue people's savings and the poor will be just as poor. $15 per hour won't mean much when prices double.
I watched a Chris Rock video where he is working at a fast-food place for minimum wage. Someone asked him how is he doing?
"How am I doing?"
"How do you think I'm doing?"
"These people will pay me $1 an hour if they could."
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+1 yIf you dont agree that people who work in the restaurants deserve a living wage, stop going to restaurants & cook your own food. If you dont think your bartender deserves a living wage, drink at home. If you dont think that the farmers or the people who harvest the crops or your butcher deserves a living wage, grow your own damn food & slaughter your own damned animals. Its not fair that corporate CEOs are making millions while their employees are barely scraping by.
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Thank you. People are so arrogant and living comfy privileged lives compared to poor people who are willing to work for their living.
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+1 yI think that my job should at least enable me to survive reasonably.
This of course requires a fair payment.
However - recently we 'here' had a question about job loyalty; where quite a number of responses stated to give no shit about the employer.
An employment is a two-way relationship.
In my personal world, a minimum wage does exist since decades already: if the offer isn't agreeable, I just won't take it. No 'law' is required about it.
But then there are those who drop out from school, don't mind studying and qualifying, or who can't be bothered with taking adult responsibilities in their lives. These, too, need a certain protection... although they aren't worth it.00 Reply - 1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yThe real question is:
Do you agree with paying more for everything you buy because of raising the minimum wage?
Money doesn't come from nowhere. Wages are a business expense. Raise wages and you have to increase the price of your product to pay for it.
And even if you earn more as a consumer, you also have to spend more. In the end all it does is HURT the poor and middle class because it causes inflation and unemployment.
The only ones who benefit from increased minimum wages are corrupt union officials and corrupt Democrat politicians who they pay off to raise the minimum wage.10 Reply
+1 yNo, because that stops the encouragement to improve and move further a person who is paid 15 dollars an hour and also benefits won't need to work harder to live a satisfactory life but if a worker starts out at 7 dollars an hour and gets skilled enough he can bump his pay grade to onwards of 45 dollars an hour. (I'm giving this example of a lumber mill, I refuse to flip burgers McDonald's) instead America should promote education for skilled labour instead of giving jobs to immigrants Americans should study and become skilled professionals in their own nation.
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The living wage is over $16
$15 an hour isn't comfortable living - +1 y
I get paid 160 krona an hour for working in my hunting and gun club that's about 15 dollars but also make more when I sometimes help at the lumber mill and they pay me very nicely because I've chopped down trees since childhood and we're not allowed to work with heavy machinery because of government restrictions so me and my friend just chop them down with our axes because the refugee forest rangers know they shouldn't mess with us or we'll chase them out of our country so we get paid 'under the table'. Here that's better than McDonald's and I believe in America it is too maybe not in the big cities but my cousin married an American girl and he works in law enforcement in rocky top, Tennessee and I remember that America is sometimes cheaper than Sweden in many aspects because everything is available in all big stores for dirt cheap and you guys are the biggest producers of oil so that's cheap as well.( Were). Housings depends on the county and the neighborhood so that equation is out of the window and plus a lot of small businesses can't afford to pay so much.
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If small businesses can't afford to pay their workers a living wage then there business sucks...
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So basically poor people cannot run a business? You support the same party that lets in illegal immigrants that would work for quarter of that sum.
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Yeah exactly... You need money to run a successful business
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Then why is this party proposing to tax the rich? Wouldn't that make them poorer and maybe would hurt their financial situation paying 15 dollars to every low grade employee that isn't a skilled worker.
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Taxing the rich would barely affect their finacial situation. The top billionaires could give every single person in the world some money. That is insane.
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@Smashingdoozy “if small businesses can’t afford to pay their workers a decent wage, their company sucks”
Do you even remotely know how a business goes? Rather more so a small business? If you are starting your business from the ground up , you will most likely be in debt for 5 years or even more. Small businesses are an investment. It’s sad that you are attacking small businesses when big businesses are the ones scamming their workers. - +1 y
I'm not attacking small businesses. I do know how a business goes. Infact I work in a small business and I pay everyone, so I know everyone gets paid a fair wage where I work and the company can afford it.
If you start a small business and you are not breaking even just you working then you shouldn't be hiring other people. - +1 y
Right, but they should be able to pay a legal wage, not a wage that is high above average for someone that doesn’t necessarily deserve that. You are putting way too much value on minimum wage employees when in reality small business workers are everyday people just like minimum wage workers only they have more pressures of their businesses failing due to minimum wage workers thinking they are worth more than what they are.
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I am also finding it rather interesting that you stop replying to people that deliberately prove you wrong. It’s almost like you open your mouth about a lot of topics you have no knowledge about and assume a whole lot.
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It's almost as if you're the gaslighter so I stopped replying as soon as you accused me of it because I can't be fucked dealing with that.
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Why because you gaslighted me by saying you didn’t do exactly what that other guy did? I’ve noticed and have been seeing you stop replying everytime some proves you wrong. You keep going on and on and calling people stupid because your idea of inflation, and then they prove you wrong and you stop replying back.
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No you can’t deal with people proving you wrong. You assumed I’m privileged because my opinion differs from you, I proved you wrong and you never replied back to that one
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How can you not see what you are doing...
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How can you not see what you are doing? You called one person stupid because their opinion differed from yours and they didn’t listen to proof given. You didn’t listen to my proof given and on top of that you called me privileged. On top of that you are calling small business owners failures if they don’t adhere to your over the top of want of unqualified pay. Am I a gaslighter because you opened a can of worms and got what you asked for? You asked for conversation, you got one.
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These people are so arrogant and living a privileged comfy life its clear.
People keep saying prices will go up but forget that the corporations and businesses underpay and do not provide benefits in order to increase the money going into their own pockets. The prices have been rising while the minimum pay continues to be the same.
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+1 yI just mentioned this in a comment yesterday. In the first few months of the Biden presidency things have gone to h*ll. Inflation went up 4.2% last month on everything. Gas, you pay on average over a dollar more per gallon.
If minimum wage was raised, it wouldn’t make a difference because it would all even out with inflation. The only way something like that happens is to happen naturally and under Trump things were happening. I remember when Taco Bell managers were getting paid $100,000.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taco-bell-100000-salaries-paid-to-some-restaurant-managers/#textTaco20Bell20will20pay20a20241002C00020annual20salaryits20company-owned20stores2C20the20fast-food20chain20said20Thursday10 ReplyNo. People don’t understand the economic consequences. Raising the minimum wage sounds good, but it actually hurts the people it’s meant to help. Small businesses often can’t afford to pay employees $15/hr. So there’s less jobs available for poorer workers. Ideally, there should be no minimum wage. A good example of a place that does this is Switzerland. No minimum wage, yet their lowest payed employees tend to make around $20/hr in the equivalent of USD. Because there’s no minimum wage, there’s more jobs available for entry-level workers. So businesses compete with one another for a lower available supply of these workers. In Switzerland, entry-level workers are more in demand and thus get paid more.
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Lol economic literature these days shows that there is no consensus on whether higher minimum wage leads to lower employment, since some studies say it does and many say it doesn’t.
In other words, your economic knowledge of the consequences are from the 70s instead of the 2010s - +1 y
what you're forgetting is that if people are paid more, less people will have to work multiple jobs, thus opening up positions.
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+1 yFind me one who'd disagree with this.
Some might be bringing absolutely valid economic reasons why that'd be a mistake, but as far as the single individual goes, find me one who'd say no to "you gonna get more money every month, you ok with that?"16 Reply- +1 y
Lol if they raise minimum wage to 15/hr there won’t be very many jobs to pick from that a minimum wage worker would be qualified to work anymore. It would be so competitive 50% of Americans would be unemployed. Businesses shut down/ people payed off because there’s no money to pay them. Thinking of how it impacts only the individual is why this is even a topic. You can’t make a decision like this because of course it would tank the economy.
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@DanTheMan1995Xx Thanks for stating ONE of the many reasons why it is not a good idea. Yet, if you'd get a random, sudden raise in your monthly paycheck, would you diss it? I don't think so.
This minimum wage thing is a stupid fad aimed at getting consensus, that will then go nowhere for there is no money to get such a steep increase in wages for every single worker in the States. It's just plain dumb, but some idiots will never understand that. "Moar muneh!" Is all they understand. - +1 y
That’s a false equivalency, I’m not going to suddenly have my salary doubled. Also I don’t make minimum wage salary. Your theoretical idea doesn’t make sense because no one just gets a significant raise. It’s something you work hard and earn, it wouldn’t be a surprise.
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@DanTheMan1995Xx Most people work under minimum wage for that's the limit under entrapreneurs can't go for legal reasons, or they would. There are MILLIONS of people working for minimum wage. YOu can't possibly, as a government, institute such an iinitiative for that'd require insane amount of public funding OR, if forcefully shouldered on company owners, lead to record unemployment. It's stupid, from whatever side you look at it.
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I think it's better to frame the whole picture. Some people might get increased wages while some will be unemployed while people push for more robots, you agree with that?
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I think I'm gonna go read a book, small is beautiful economics as if people mattered
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+1 yRaising the minimum wage raises the price of living and might make minimum wage guys worse than they were before as they have to pay more for tomatoes or avocados or eggs and milk. A good system I think is having a company trust where long term workers get housing support and transportation support and 95% health support and free tooth paste and toiletries.
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Cost of living has gone up without a minimum wage increase.
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Nope. The cost of living does increase a little bit but it no form actually enough to negate the minimum wage increase
+1 yYes, right now even $15 is not a living wage as far as I am concerned. Especially if they have a family to feed. That's only $2400 a month before deductions. Here a cheap apartment goes for $1,000 or more. I don't see how a single person can manage on it.
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Why do people keep wanting to live in such shitty areas in poverty? y'all nuts. You can rent a place for $500 a month where i live. You can buy a decent house for under $100,000 as well. And we also have lots of jobs in the 12 to 18 an hour range in manufacturing so no degree required. But y'all want to keep working at mcdonalds or starbucks in NYC or san fran or other hellholes for some reason.
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@bamesjond0069 I guess people like warm weather, lots of entertainment, and because this was where they were born and have family. Many people all over the country are staying put for the same reasons. What state do you live in? And how much is gas there?
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Its warm where i live. But i mean you got nebraska down to texas... lots of places to choose from. I live in a small city near a quite large city. As someone who used to live in NYC i dont feel like im missing out on much. And family is important but if y'all live in a dump why wouldn't you all move elsewhere instead of live in poverty together? Makes no sense. Gas currently where i live is mid 2s with the shortage and all.
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+1 yI think it's sad that we have to force greedy companies who make billions to pay their employees a living wage. But greedy people will never stop their ways unless forced to.
The people against raising minimum wage are the idiots who think they'll get rich one day, but they don't realize the game is rigged from the beginning and they'll never get rich.11 Reply- +1 y
These jerks who are giving silly over thought out "intellectual" arguments against a living wage are showing they are privileged living comfortably on their ass compared to poor folks and feel arrogant as well. Its disgusting and we see throguh them.
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+1 yNo. I don't want people to lose their jobs to machines just so that a bunch of middle class people can feel good about themselves mettling in other peoples lives without knowing what the consequences are and without ever having to worry about those consequences themselves.
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Simply wouldn't happens
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Except it does happen and it happens every god damn time? How are you people so completely oblivious to reality. In chicago they raised the minimum wage to fifteen dollars so many places like mcdonalds fired half their staff and replaced them with machines. In New York the Unions worked with the government to force car washers to join and thus raised the minimum wage, they now have black market car washes as half the car washes went under because they couldn't afford the employees and the other half shifted to automation providing crappier services at higher prices and also fired half their staff. This literaly happens every time and its people like you who refuse to pay attention, refuse to do even basic research (and probably haven't even lived in the real world) who fuck it up for the rest of us. NO I DO NOT WANT YOU TO GET ME FIRED FROM MY JOB SO YOU CAN CLAIM TO BE MORALLY SUPERIOR FOR DOING ABSOLUTELY JACK SHIT. Its stupid, its always been stupid, and it always will be stupid. At least have the decency to do a modicum of research before trying to upend a system you know nothing about.
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Oh the "it will cause everything to be automated" argument.
Because something being a trivial task for a person means it's also trivial for a computer -_-
And FYI, a "computer" was once a (skilled) job title but we still have burger flippers now as we did in the 50s and 60s. - +1 y
Yeah whatever can be replaced by machines will be replaced, minimum wage increase won't really affect that.
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@Ad_Quid_Orator Well its not an argument so much as a reality as I have pointed out two very real incidents of that happening and that was just within the past five or so years. This is a real thing that happens and I appreciate that you don't like blue collar workers but they deserve to make a living like every one else.
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I just wish people like you would actually interact with the blue collar workers you claim to care about, if you did you would find that most of them don't want an increase in minimum wage because they have personally been affected by other ones (people get fired and replaced by machines, those that are not are forced to do double the work but then also get hours cut so they worker harder and end up making the exact same amount as they did before (if they are lucky enough to keep their jobs that is)).
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Oh, I don't care about 'blue collar workers'. That's why I just showed how a manual job outlasted a position that was once considered skilled. You're the ones talking all kinds of shit about how their jobs can be automated away (i. e. they're useless), not me.
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@Ad_Quid_Orator Well I'm a blue collar worker so that is not true. Also I wasn't giving examples of what COULD happen, I gave examples of what DID happen.
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And I showed how you're generalizing to make it seem like raising the minimum wage is going to put everyone out of work to push the fictitious "the left doesn't care about the working class" narrative.
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@Ad_Quid_Orator Okay, I feel like your not paying attention, at all. I never generalized. I stated what happened, I gave multiple examples of what happens when you raise the minimum wage. That isn't generalizing, that is the opposite of generalizing, that is specifying.
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It's cherry-picking used to generalize on your part.
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@Ad_Quid_Orator No, that was giving two different examples of that happening, economists also agree that this is how you destroy jobs. I'd link you a Thomas Sowell argument about this as he is an economist and has done substantial research on the subject but I don't want you calling him a "house N---" again.
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Oh, now you're pulling the whole Orwellian "the left calls anything that they don't agree with 'racist'" trope (even though I used that phrase when someone was parroting white supremacist talking points that you mentioned and I debunked and you tried to use identity politics to validate your position, not because I disagreed with him). But go ahead, share the link.
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@Ad_Quid_Orator No, I'm pulling the "you literally called a black guy who didn't say what you wanted him to say a "house N----"". What did you forget (convient of you)?
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No I called him that for parroting your white supremacist talking points. Now where is the link?
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@Ad_Quid_Orator Yeah, the black man who was a white supremacist, it had nothing to do with him being a black man who disagreed with you and that is why you called him that because you know, he dared to think for himself instead of obey you (seriously, what is with white leftist? They seriously think they are the masters of minorities, its really racist and creepy).
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Oh, I want to be the master of minorities, that's why your side is the one advocating increasing police presence in minority neighborhoods LMAO. And there were/are black people who side with white supremacists which is why the word house N%$#@^ exists in the first place (for those who let racist dipshits like you think for them). Link?
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@Ad_Quid_Orator Yeah, we want to keep minorities safe, that is why we want more police officers to protect people. How insane do you have to be to think that is a bad thing? The filthy rich get private security but you think minorities shouldn't have any security and this makes YOU the good guy? Your aware that 70% of blacks stated they wanted MORE police presents in their communities when white people went around screaming to abolish the police right? Of course you don't, you don't know anything except how to be insanely racist (you even admited to it and still trying to pretend your not, thats how insane you are).
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Actually 20% want more police presence while 19% want less police:
disrn.com/.../gallup-over-80-of-black-americans-want-same-or-more-police-presence-in-neighborhood
And I didn't say "abolish the police" (way to strawman) but that there are more effective ways to reduce crime besides increasing the presence of police.
Most communities across the country aren't filthy rich or have private security but they still don't have high crime rates despite the fact that they don't have as much police presence. But because you're a racist dipshit, you think the only way to address the problem of the high crime rates is to "civilize them with force". You seem to have a case of white savior complex and think black people need you to speak for them. - +1 y
You see, we both think that black people commit violent crime because it's in their blood but while you think it's something intrinsic to them (which is why you think more policing is the solution) I realize it's because lead does that when it gets in your system.
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@Ad_Quid_Orator I never once claimed that, ever. I have never once claimed that anything they do is intrinsic, quite the opposite in fact, but you have and again, you show your racism but are so stupid you cannot even see it. The black community in particular needs more policing because it has a higher rate of fatherlessness, which is a proven fact and proven to increase rates of criminality, academic failure, etc. etc. Wow your racist. Also incorrect about everything else (no surprise their though):
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No but you sure as hell implied it because if you weren't just projecting your racism on to me you'd be proposing methods to curtail fatherlessness (which is BS by the way www.vox.com/2015/6/21/8820537/black-fathers-day) you know addressing the cause? But no you just want to use the effect as an excuse to justify oppression.
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@Ad_Quid_Orator So the guy claiming that any black man who disagrees with him is a "house N----" is telling me, that I'm racist? Admission through projection. Also I have pointed out fatherlessness is the issue, I have stated things that can be done to fix this, and yes we know for an absolute fact that fatherlessness is the issue (why are you giving me leftist propaganda sites as an argument? Try something objective for once, hell I would even settle for moderate left instead of far left at this point).
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Claiming that because I said someone who parroted racist talking points is a house N***** isn't saying that applies to every black person who disagrees with me and the fact that you're trying to spin it that way just shows how desperate you are to project. Also, you're sing the Orwellian tactic of attacking the reporting source versus the argument. If you actually read the link you would have found this one.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr071.pdf - +1 y
@Ad_Quid_Orator Nope, but you know orwell really well, your using his works as a manual. Also I didn't attack anything, I pointed to the source that I used, don't be pissy with me because you didn't like what it said. Also you are racist, you know it I know it stop pretending.
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I use his works to call out attempts by ass-wipes like yourself to silence dissenting views like saying that because a reporting source has a bias, it can't be trusted by default.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yOf course.
Criticising things like - the 5 day working week, the 40 hour work week, minimum wages, etc... has always been met by the lie of industry "This will ruin jobs! The Economy!" and is always always always bullshit.12 Reply- +1 y
Yep it actually improves jobs, the economy and people's lives overall
Opinion Owner+1 yStudies are already showing that the 4 day working week may be better than the 5.
+1 yYes and no. Yes I agree with it because I have 1 full time job and 2 part time jobs just to take care of myself and my child. I make $ 19.75 an hr with all three jobs combined. I make the federal minimum wage or barely above. Just to pay rent put food on the table and make sure my child has what they need. We have no tv no internet and there are days I go hungry just so my child can eat. On the other hand i dont agree with it because it drives prices on everything up. I can't afford to pay more for everything.
00 Reply3.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Don't know anything about economy really especially not america's not gonna pretend i do. Only thing i do know is England's Minimum increases all the time and nothing really changes. It don't seem to improve nor hurt anything. So i guess i do agree since are country does it all the time not that changes much that i am aware of.
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+1 yIn the absence of doing anything else to bring down the costs of goods and services (raw materials, taxation policies, hidden mandates that raise the costs of labor without actually raising wages, immigration policies for unskilled labor), this just guarantees stagflation.
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+1 ywell that guy blocked me lol. anyways yes the minimum wage should be raised and no there's little to no evidence that prices of everything else will go up if we do that as the last few times we raised it shows.
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source: www.investopedia.com/.../...increase-inflation.asp
and in case anyone doubts that sites legitimacy its not biased in any direction: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investopedia/ - +1 y
Lol thanks for your info 😊
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Raising the minimum wage usually results in prices going up, outsourcing, or companies automating labor. People aren't supposed to be cashiers for 40 years until retirement. We already have plenty of welfare programs if they are hellbent on spending their lives as a minimum wage worker. Money doesn't grow on trees.10 Reply817 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Absolutely! The lower class worker that makes a smidgen of what a middle-income worker gets will be raised out of the poverty level. When you put more money in their pockets, you will put more money into the treasury
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+1 yNo. We should end the Fed instead, so we can curb/reverse inflation, thereby lowering the cost of living, so people can afford to live comfortably on the wages they already have.
It's an alternative way of solving the same problem, but without introducing a whole host of externalities like raising the minimum wage would do, such as pricing low-skilled workers out of the workforce, increasing unemployment, and causing the price of consumer goods to rise even more.00 Reply- 1.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yNo. Raising the minimum wage in our country will again push businesses to outsource jobs to countries that exploit their populations and give those countries the technology and capability to compete against us who gave them the business in the first place. If our citizens wanna keep the jobs in hometown grounds locally, they have to compete for those jobs by ceasing to demand for more pay and, instead, fighting against increases in costs of living.
00 Reply 11.7K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Yeah absolutely. People make shit when it comes to the costs of living. You shouldn’t have to work two full jobs at 60-80 hours a week just to be stable enough to not need food stamps.
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+1 yWhen you raise minimum wage, prices go up, so all you acomplish is devaluing the dollar with more inflation.
The only way to combat cost of living being too high is to have laws that cap prices on products, services, land, housing, etc. and to have appropriate wages per job for whatever the costs are set at.
The reason minimum wage is never raised in a video game is because the sword of unyeilding doom never costs more or less than 25,000 zeni, no matter how long it's been around.10 Reply 3.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Raising minium wage. Because than you have to also impose laws that won't allow places to increase their costs. Like for it to work you would have to make landlords not increase the rent for apartments and other businesses not to increase the amount for items for like at grocery stores. This already shown to fail. Just ask California, New York, and other states like Washington.
10 ReplyIt does sound great at first, but when you raise the wages than you'll have to raise the prices. I think California is a perfect example. When the wages go up without the prices going up there won't be a lot of jobs because there's nothing to gain of the prices to pay the employees the wages
00 ReplyUnfortunately it doesn't trickle up, it inflates the dollar and while prices go up middle wage earners lose ground.
It requires heavy unionization to keep wages in line with inflation. US workers lack the will for that.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yAbsolutely not. Minimum wage is for jobs filled by high school kids, not people who need a living wage. If you're supporting yourself or family you should not be flipping burgers at McDonalds. There are tons of jobs available that pay a higher wage. Just find one. If you're not earning as much as you want at your current job, find a better one. It's not the job of government to tell employers how much to pay their staff, it is the responsible of people to find employment that suits them.
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Thank you.
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Simply untrue. If McDonald's was for high school students then it wouldn't be open all hours. Who's going to work while kids are at school? Hmm?
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What a privielged comfy arrogant piece of shit. You should be embarassed of yourself. One day you may lose every single thing you have then lets see your attitude and if you will spout this garbage
Opinion Owner+1 y@Smashingdoozy Right, and that's where your power of choice comes in. There are a bazzilion job opportunities out there to choose from that pay way more than minimum wage. You don't have to work during the day and McDonalds if you don't want to. The job market today is great for workers and tough for employers. Choose a better job. That's how it works.
Opinion Owner+1 y@Diddkfv566 Uh oh, did I strike a nerve, you dumb burger flippin' bitch? Go fuck yourself, and while you're at it, get off your lazy ass and find a real job. Even a dumb bitch like you can do that.
If I lose everything I have I would just rebuild it, and I sure as fuck wouldn't do it by working at McDonalds. Be better, you can do it.- +1 y
Yup but there's always going to be someone working at McDonalds right. They should be making enough money to live.
Opinion Owner+1 yNo, that's not how it works. Either McDonalds pays someone what they want or they look elsewhere and find an employer who will. There are plenty of them who will. If you don't like your deal at McDonalds, find a better deal.
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Every single adult with a job should be able to live on their wage. They should be able to clothe and feed themselves, pay rent etc.
Opinion Owner+1 yEvery single person should find a job that meets their needs, and that is THEIR responsibility. If they are not able to cover their expenses with their current job they should find another job that meets their needs.
There needs to be jobs for high school kids, and those jobs should NOT be required to meet the needs of a parent supporting a family.- +1 y
Refer back to adults needing to work at so called "high school jobs" or they would hardly ever be open.
Opinion Owner+1 yRefer back to NOBODY needing to work at so called "high school jobs" or they would hardly ever be open. NO ONE is forcing you or anyone else to work those jobs. It's YOUR CHOICE. If you are not happy or satisfied with a job, FIND A DIFFERENT JOB. Don't be an idiot.
If McDonalds is paying an employee minimum wage to do a job they are not satisfied doing, it's no one's fault but the employee.
Your attitude is completely backward. It's like saying "someone has to buy overpriced, low quality merchandise". No, they don't. No one has to buy anything. The only reason someone should buy something is if they perceive it to be a fair trade for the money they spent on it. And if it isn't, DON'T BUY IT.
On the flip side, no seller should sell something if they can't make a profit on it. That's what drives the equation. If both the seller and the buyer benefit from the transaction, then it will happen and the market will support it. Otherwise, buyers will look elsewhere and other sellers will be happy to offer a better product at a lower price IF they can do so and make a profit.
It's exactly the same with jobs. If an employer is not paying enough to attract good employees, another employer will "outbid" them by offering a better job and/or better wages. If you are working in a bad job with low pay, you are as big a fool as someone who buys a car when there is a better one sitting next to it on the same lot selling for a lower price.
Don't be an idiot. Take some responsibility for your shit and stop expecting the government to baby your pathetic ass. Be a responsible adult for fuck sake.
+1 yNo it would hurt the economy more than help it. Price floors have serious economic ramifications. We need to focus on employment right now. A lot of small businesses are hanging on by a thread right now. We also need to stop depreciating the US dollar.
00 ReplyI don't think it is a question, now, with SOOOO many places needing to hire! They have to pay more, and more BENEFITS!!
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I make a fairly well living at my job for what it is, but they are also having trouble. It’s people that want to stay having government benefits which is why places are having trouble hiring
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+1 yNo. These are entry level jobs that pay commensurate to the type of work. If you raise the minumum then there are less of those jobs available so less entry level people working.
Worse, they move the jobs onto the higher ups, which overloads them, and the old minimum wage position gets eliminated.
You really haven't thought this through, have you?
Flipping burgers was never meant to be a career.00 Reply I totally agree. Why? 60-70 year's ago. Some one could save all their money for a year to buy a house. With no mortgage and live comfortably. Now we can't do that with out having a really high paying job. If everything would have worked out it was suppose to. We wouldn't have a need for credit or credit cards. Because the minimum wage would have been almost or over 30 dollars.
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+1 yYes. Why? Because, how are people like me--no money, no family support, no nothin'--supposed to afford a house when their parents kick them out?
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Same hun. I had to leave and i have NOBODY in my life at all.
Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 ySure why not, along w everything else that’ll go up in price. The lower to middle class will always be where they’re at unless we learn how to manage that money as far as making it grow for us. We tend to spend it as soon as we get it on stupid things. I can’t remember who said it but basically it was said that even if all the money was given to the lower class the rich would get it all back w in months cause we don’t know how to manage it.
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You're either a completely blatant liar, or too ignorant of real world finances to know better, which is likely the reason you hide behind anonymity, so which is it?
the Cost of Living is greater than the income of the lower 50% of the united States. It has nothing to do with wealth management. In fact, lower and middle class people are actually BETTER at managing their income than are millionaires and billionaires (they waste all their money on million dollar birthday parties for example). Anyway, That's why there is Earned Income Credit for people of income lower than average... because even in the U. S. they'd starve without it.
If you ask Suze Orman how to live on $30,000 per year, SHE CAN'T DO IT. If you ask Hoda Kotb how to live on $75,000 per year, SHE CAN'T DO IT. She thinks she NEEDS $10 million per year to be "happy".
Look at my post on this thread for a chart showing how RICH the top 1% are while the bottom 40% cannot afford to feed and clothe themselves, and must impoverish themselves further if they ever intend to own a home or a new car. If they are lucky, after tax season they can buy a used card good enough to last to next tax season, thanks to Earned Income Credit alone. If not for Earned Income Credit, about half of all adults who own a USED car would not be able to afford to drive to work and back home every day. I know, because I used to work in a tax office which serviced mostly lower 50% of wage earners, and 9 times out of 10 the person said they were spending their entire EIC check on a "used car".
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the Rich people in the United States pay a 10 to 15% marginal tax rate, because they pay Capital Gains tax, not "income tax" and they get 500 loopholes to reduce their taxes to zero anyway.
the Middle class in the United states pays about 20 to 25% marginal tax rate for those dead center of the middle class. The "Upper middle class" pays about a 25 to 30% marginal rate.
Almost nobody actually pays the highest marginal rate in the U. S., because people rich enough to theoretically owe it actually don't gain the majority of their income that way. They gain it through capital gains and other assets income, which again, depdding on who you are and how much you brown-nose a Republican senator, your marginal tax rate can literally be anywhere from 0% to maybe 15%, which isthe same single lower class peopel pay on their income who don't even qualify for EIC.
So the Trumps and other millionaires and billionaires of the world can stop whining about how much tax they pay. The Truth is they pay a lower rate than anyone, while the Bible they FALSELY claim to believe in requires them to pay about 3 or 4 times the average tax rate most of them actually end up paying in a typical year.
The joke's on YOU if you actually believe Donald Trump ever payed a significant porition of his income as tax.
Also, some of the richest corporations in the U. S. pay ZERO tax of any kind every year for my entire lifetime... yet their CEO's and other biggest share holders whine about paying taxes.
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The reason the Year of Jubilee exists in the Bible is because it is IMPOSSIBLE for a man to get rich enough to have a monopoly on much of anything by honest means, and yet it happens every few decades anyway, because there is always somebody evil enough to desire it to happen.
Law exists because evil people need to be governed, else they'd enslave everyone else. Law does not exist for righteous people, because righteous people already do right by their own good nature.
We NEED laws making it illegal to be a billionaire, nobody has a God-given right to that much of the Earth's wealth**, and we NEED laws requiring something virtually functionally identical to the "year of Jubilee".
**In the Bible God commanded Adam and Eve to work for their living by the sweat of their brow. Anybody who doesn't work for a living, but forces the poor to work for their living, ought to be sent to prison.
Donald Trump hasn't worked a single day in his life. He was born and raised a millionaire when a million dollars was worth what 100 million is worth today, and he became a billionaire by perpetuating his father's (should have been illegal) business model of ripping people off for rent/lease on rental properties, the same way most landlords are doing today.
By the way, you Christians sing the song "Days of Elijah" which has the line about the Year of Jubilee in it, but evidently NONE of you know what the Year of Jubilee is, otherwise you would oppose Republican fiscal policies and support most Democratic fiscal policies.
Although Democrats are out of their minds regarding homosexuality and Abortion, their fiscal policies mostly more closely agree wit the Law of Moses than Republican policies ever did.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yHave you seen minimum wage employees? Most of them are not worth it. There are WAY to many programs to help them get out of poverty which they don't take. It will hurt small business owners who actually run the economy through taxes, and account for 99% of businesses in USA. They are usually hard working and immigrants, who start off as minimum wage workers and through hard work run businesses. And it will cause inflation which will hurt everyone. They implemented this in Canada. If anyone wants to move there and see the seventh ring of hell its turned into be my guest.
00 ReplyNot really. I do believe there should be one but as long as there is a strong economy you should let demand decide. But I do believe in it. Just this 15 an hour across the country seems dumb. In experience areas it’s not enough and in poor areas it’s a lot... that’s a hard one to place. I’d actually probably say each city or zip code should set it based on average income... maybe even age... (I know that is frowned on but a kid and a mother should not make the same...)
00 Reply332 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Sure.
Depends on how low it is compared to the rest of the scale and that they doesn't raise the salary over a certain level.
The backside is that products gonna raise in price and effect other parts of society until it stabilizes if the whole salary scale gonna stay fixed for the whole transition time to normalize.
If it doesn't gonna stay fixed you gonna get funny escalation and oscillation for a long time.00 Reply3.3K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. It has good points and bad. Raising the minimum wage will certainly raise the price of the products and increase the use of automation.
So, people may loose those jobs in the end.
Also, if you make more money, you pay more in taxes and some may loose government assistance by only a buck or two.00 Reply- 668 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yyes and no. yes because it would be nice for me and no because it would cause the prices of almost everything to go up, countering any benefits that would have came from the increase. Instead we should try to lower inflation and lower the cost of living so people can work with what they got
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I would love to educate you on economic theory, but this guys goes over the basics rather quickly, here ya go if you want to understand why raising the minimum wage benefits the quality of life for all
www.ted.com/.../nick_hanauer_the_dirty_secret_of_capitalism_and_a_new_way_forward
+1 yHonestly, raising minimum wages won't benefit anyone. Lowering cost of living will. My dad used to get paid minimum when he was at my age, but gas would be as low as 0.35$ a litre. In fact, he says that he was able to buy more gas with minimum wage back then compared to now. It's just an example. He's like 100$ used to be so valuable and now it comes and goes.
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