According to some people who believe in Woke ideology, pregnancy is a social construct. What do you think?

[Exterminatore]

https://youtu.be/qamcx35yzv8

Pregnancy is a social construct

Pregnancy is not a social construct

Listening to diluted people explain that men can get pregnant is hilarious

Both B & C

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[razelove]

It's part of the process. So, radical feminism undermines men, and the trans movement undermines women. Personally I find it to be hilarious, the woke eat the woke, unfortunately less rapidly than they indoctrinate more people though.

A guy identifying, getting hormones or surgery to become more like a woman will always hit an asymptote where he can always be like a woman, but not a woman. Similarly a woman trying to be like a man will hit the same. Like all those world records being set by trans athletes now...

Men can't have periods, or get pregnant, nor can women produce semen. Even if they could, the fundamental XX, XY chromosomes could make it a horrifying experiment because of the XX XY chromosomes and fun new ways they were never meant to mix. It would be better to research curing cancer or heart disease rather than having men produce eggs or women sperm though.

Anyway, I don't judge or begrudge anyone for the personal choices they make, that's their business. At the end of the day, objective reality trumps the subjective one. Even if someone else gets elected in the future, this is the culture going forwards, that too is an objective reality. Watching Idiocracy makes me feel better about it.

[Exterminatore]

Fully agree!

[TheBigGuy9]

I don’t even want to try to understand what that means. This is what these activists do. Change language, create words and definitions. All to completely favor them and screw everyone else. F*ck that.

[Exterminatore]

100%. They did this with the world tolerance. They did it with immigration they just drop the word illegal from it. They misuse the term nativist. Yeah. They just crate meanings to words that don’t exist.

[TheBigGuy9]

And all they do is repeat it. It’s a con on human nature itself. When we study for a history test, we have to memorize things. We keep repeating them til we get it. Well, that’s what they do. Then they proactively go after Republicans and accuse them of everything they do. But they’re so pathetic, they always get caught. Our problem now is too many crooked people in just the right positions of government.

[Exterminatore]

You’re exactly right. I’m glad you see the methods they’re using to manipulate things. They repeat, repeat, repeat and then after doing that long enough state what they’ve been repeating as if it were absolute fact and common knowledge. Meanwhile they censor all opposing viewpoints and label those with opposing view points as: xenophobes, homophobes, islamaphobes, nativists, Nazis, sexists, fascists, racists, or whatever is the new word attempted to shame and shun people with opposing viewpoints.

Most people seem unable to see how they are subtly changing definitions of words and manipulating people with all that’s going on.

[TheBigGuy9]

You’re awesome!
Then they use words that cause the most emotions. You get people all emotional and they tend to not think as clear.
That’s why you see them getting so upset at people over the calmest of debates.

[Exterminatore]

Absolutely. In my opinion that’s what a lot of these over reactions reactions in blacks are about.

It would be absolutely true to say in this history of this country blacks have been treated unfairly. However in 2021 is there overt racism and a system of oppression? Not even close. These liberals are aware of the past and blacks being hypersensitive about it. So they keep gaslighting blacks into believing that it’s basically no different than 1950’s Mississippi Burning. They act as if these police are out to kill a black guy every time an incident happens. So they get blacks all ramped up on a deliberately false view of many of these events. Of course in the past blacks did experience open racism... so they’re already primed for this and these left wingers know it.

And now, here we are. 2021. America. The nation so horribly racist it’s unreamable. I challenge any white person who thinks systematic racism exists. Go to work on Monday and say the word n** out loud. Go in a public place... where there are only white people and say that word out loud and watch the looks you get. I’ll bet my last buck someone who is white will take exception to it. If there were so much overt racism you’d be able to talk like that with impunity. Ask Donald Stirling, firmer owner of the Clippers what happens when you make racial slurs. He’s rich and powerful and even he can’t get away with it and banned from the NBA for life.

[ThisDudeHere]

Can anyone tell me where I can get a ticket off this fucking planet?

[DaisyM23]

I think anyone with the biological parts of a female can get pregnant but that’s not exclusively women obviously as there are trans men although once they transition the hormone treatments don’t allow pregnancy. I’m all for trans rights but I don’t get the whole ‘pregnancy being a social construct’ thing because pregnancy is obviously you know... the bump and the whole carrying a baby for 9 months and it’s been like that for years everywhere. It’s not like concepts such as masculinity or femininity which do actually change with time and place and are therefore social constructs. Pregnancy can happen for women or trans men but it’s not really socially constructed...

[Exterminatore]

Anyone with the biological parts of a female would be a female. That’s what makes them a female.

Like you I do not understand this at all. Especially because it’s something that’s objectively provable.

To me trans men are really women. You can form genitals, you can give yourself a man’s name and wear men’s cloths. You can take hormones. This does not make you a man. You cannot change bone structure, neurology, or brain structure. So woman transitioning to man isn’t really a man. I also am unaware if women transitioning to men have their uterus or ovaries removed. It may be they are not able to get preggers. I’m not familiar with the procedure.

[DaisyM23]

I think it’s also to do with mentality. Being trans is perfectly acceptable. I understand why some may have problems but I care more about personality and actions

[Exterminatore]

To be clear I don’t hate anyone, but it’s not acceptable to me. I’m against it on religious grounds.

[tallandsweet]

I used to be against it on rather weak religious grounds too - I was raised in a Christian Fundamentalist religion, but interestingly, the bible has nothing to say about transexuality (or masturbation, but that's another issue, LOL).

If you believe in the bible, think about the account of the Ethiopian eunuch. He was castrated, meaning that he didn't have a full set of male exterior genitalia. When he asked Philip "What can stand in the way of my being baptized?", Philip stopped the chariot they were both on immediately and baptised him.
If God didn't object to a castrated man being baptised, why would he have something against a man or woman who have decided to change their gender (with or without gender reassignment surgery) getting baptised?

Finally, Jesus didn't condemn the criminals who were next to him when he was on the cross. In Luke 23:43, he told one of the criminals that he'll certainly be with him in paradise.

How is Christian Love in agreement with denying people on the LGBTQA+ spectrum that love?

[tallandsweet]

Of course, I don't want to take away your faith. Still, I encourage you to look into your own faith to find out what your belief system has to say about Transexuality.

[Exterminatore]

@tallandsweet

You’re actually incorrect about transgenders. They are are mentioned in the Bible. Let’s look at the scriptures.

““No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭23:1‬ ‭ESV

Crushed testicles here referring not to someone who was wounded in war or had a freak accident but rather someone who deliberately crushed their testicles or cut off their penis. Sex change operations are nothing new. At this time the testicles were crushed with small rocks. The person then would dress in a woman’s clothes.

How do we know this is not referring to some war wound or freak accident? Because we find the Lord forgives this if the person repents here:

“Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭56:3-5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Again. If a man is a eunuch and if this was some accident would he have anything to feel bad about? Did he do wrong? What if he were wounded in war. I was in the Marines and went to war. I can tell you people do get shot in the genitals. But look and what is said. God will forgive if they repent.

Here’s one for both Transvetites and transgenders.

““A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭22:5‬ ‭ESV‬‬

You are correct. The Bible does not say anything against masturbation. It doesn’t say anything about cocaine either. Does that mean they’re both fine?

God didn’t object to a castrated man being baptized because if he castrated himself

[Exterminatore]

In sin, he was repenting. Baptism is nothing but a public proclamation of us being born again. It’s an outward and public display of what has happened in the heart.

Non believers don’t get baptized, only believers. If this man was a sinner in regards to transgenderism he would have repented to be baptized and is now accepted by God. Don’t you find it interesting that man is mentored as being a eunuch. Ask yourself this. Why is it significant the Bible mentions he’s a eunuch. I mean it could have mentioned he had brown eyes, that his robe was red, or that he wore a lot of jewelry. But why mention he’s a eunuch? Why is that important. Probably because he was transgender and to glorify God by showing that God redeems even the repentant transgender.

Jesus didn’t condemn that criminal because he repented.

Christians are not called to hate anyone. That’s not what this is about. We’re Called to confront sin though. Call call good, good and evil, evil. As I have demonstrated, transgenderism is defined as sin.

Don’t worry. You won’t take away my faith and I hope I can help to strengthen yours.

[DaisyM23]

I’m also religious so what’s your point? Stop using religion as an excuse for intolerance, god gave free will for a reason

[Exterminatore]

Nice try. Now we come to the favorite thing of leftists in order to justify sin and promote degeneracy. It’s called word games. Leftists love doing this. For example with gender, which they try to say means the amount of masculinity or feminity a person expresses. It does not mean that. It’s synonymous with sex. Or immigration. As in: “what’s your stance on immigration.” But they leave a word out. ILLEGAL. When you drop that word it gives it a whole new sound. Now you want to call me intolerant. Am I telling you we should gather all the transgenders up and burn them at the steak? Am I speaking evil against them? No I’m not. I am being tolerant. Leftists think of you don’t agree in this issue or if you don’t actively promote it it means you’re intolerant. I have an idea for you. How about you be tolerant. Be tolerant towards religions that believe this is sin. You know Islam doesn’t permit this either. They kill gays and transgenders in the Islamic world. Go tell them to be tolerant. As for me I’ll speak the truth in love and will call sin what it is.

And you’re religious? I sure hope you’re not a Christian and think God will except your worship. You can’t stand for things God calls sin that’s called rebellion. Do you think those who rebel willfully and do not repent will see heaven. I assure you they won’t.

Scripture says this:

“For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

If he didn’t spare them because they rebelled to you think he will allow you rebel from now until the day you die and do so now knowing his commands and still allow you to go to heaven?

“Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Am I know being intolerant to you? Because I’m warning you? Because I know God’s judgment is coming?

[Exterminatore]

Because I don’t want you to face God’s judgment? Because I don’t want you to face his wrath? Because I want you to be reconciled to God and to go to heaven when you die? Do these reasons I’m saying this make me intolerant and full of hate and a bigot? Make no mistake, scripture says those who do not repent and willfully sin and die in their sin do not inherit eternal life.

I implore you. Repent. Turn to God. Turn to Jesus call on his name. Accept him as your Lord and savior. He cannot be your savior without also being your Lord. I have been faithful to warn you and tell you the truth. I do so out of love.

[DaisyM23]

No I’m not a Christian and I would think any religion against homosexuality is intolerant because that’s literally what the word means. You’re saying you’re not being intolerant but you are because you’re calling people sinners and trying to change their identities. How would you feel if someone tells you that being straight is a sin and you’ll go to hell? Stop trying to use religion as an excuse. You have free will and it’s not up to you to get people to ‘repent’. Eunuchs have nothing to do with transgenderism, being a eunuch was literally a job as a glorified servant in the ancient times. And did you just say that getting your dick shot off means you have to repent? That’s dumb. I doubt you’d be going to heaven what with you judging people as sinners and trying to convert them, doesn’t the bible talk about love and acceptance? How the meek shall inherit the earth or whatever the saying is? There’s nothing wrong with being lgbt unless you follow the bible word for word, I sure hope you’re not being selective in what to follow and not. I’m religious and I have traditional parents but I’m tolerant and progressive so to say. God gave humans free will so you can do what you may and try and be good people, you were born with thar original sin anyways so are you gonna go around calling unbaptised babies sinners? You may be super religious and claim to love jesus, but you won’t be getting into heaven with that attitude. Also, don’t try and evangelise and talk about ‘truth’, you’re just plain intolerant and ignorant and hiding behind your bible verses

[Exterminatore]

This is typical of leftists. Have no valid points. Call them a racist, intolerant, monger, fascist, Nazi, etc etc.

I think we should just end the conversation here.

[DaisyM23]

The only thing I called you was intolerant and ignorant. Typical of a rightie to become all sensitive because they can’t face the truth that god doesn’t like people like them

[JustMe62]

I like your comments, But I do believe that the bible does mention masturbation when it states that it is a sin for a man to spill his seed upon the ground. And no, I don't recall were in the bible it states that, but this is stated in the bible.

[tallandsweet]

@JustMe62 It is stated in the bible in connection with Onan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan Here are some details, including some of the interpretations - I always had the view that Onan's sin was that he purposefully didn't impregnate his brother's wife, Tamar, thus refusing to produce offspring that would've carried on his brother's name.
There are many different interpretations of this verse, but in my opinion, had God wanted to forbid masturbation, surely he would have just said so in the bible by stating the obvious. For example, instead of using Onan's account (where he was killed by God due to his sin of not producing offspring for his sister-in-law) to highlight that masturbation and/or contraception (according to the Catholic Church) is a sin, why didn't he put in writing that no man or woman may touch their gentials in a sinful way.

[Alwayreckles93]

Wait what? 😳 I must live under a rock , I don't understand this whole thing about trans dude whatever getting pregnant. All I know is without being to graphic All it needs is a man to get the woman pregnant. Not sure if a dude born being a dude can actually get pregnant , Well not sure how that works maybe we n way far behind.

[Exterminatore]

What’s going on is this guy is saying pregnancy is a social construct. Meaning. It’s not a matter of biology. If a man wants to be pregnant, me for example... well then I can be because according to this guy whether one is pregnant or not is limited by society.

The truth is it is all a matter of biology. This is just more degeneracy we are seeing from Godless people who are so lost they believe even this nonsense.

[Alwayreckles93]

I was confused I'm like what is this guy talking about , People are living without God and see this thing normal when their actually not and it is not okay with the Lord. What world are we living in? The dude seem crazy and he wasn't making any sense. I had to rewind to three times maybe I got it wrong but It seems he has this weird idea of man pregnancy I never heard of such of thing. God created Adam and Eve and Adam got Eve pregnant.

[Exterminatore]

You never heard of such a thing because it doesn’t exist and someone proposing it does is very recent and completely false.

[AllieAnderson]

Men cannot become pregnant. By definition. If "he" can, then he is a she.

[Exterminatore]

Indeed.

[Gray-Wisp]

This is why when someone says that everyone is equal or that human rights should exist or that everyone should be able to vote... I just laugh.

[Exterminatore]

Completely understand. I’m sure this fellow in the video isn’t the only one who believes this. These people vote. Women, who are primarily emotional reasoners and many admittedly have difficulty understanding themselves, their emotions and navigating their emotions can hold public office. Can even be president. I find it terrifying a woman could be in charge of our military and have access to nuclear launch codes. But hey, what do I know? Now we have people who are such reprobates they believe men can be pregnant are voting. Terrifying.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

What the hell has happened to Marc Lemont? Dude gone crazy. 🤦‍♂️

[Exterminatore]

I know, right? Sad to see this.

[Exterminatore]

In regards to him, I forgot to mention I don’t and never did agree with like 95% of the stuff he said, but I had respect. I say had because after seeing this... I don't know anymore. He is an intelligent guy. He is great at explaining his points and is well spoken, but I have to admit despite all that I found it impossible to follow his reasoning on this matter.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Political correctness has probably eaten him alive. I think he got fired from CNN for being Politically incorrect once.

[Exterminatore]

He did, it was regarding a statement he made about Israel in 2018 I think.

[exitseven]

A guy thinking that he expresses as a pregnant woman does not make it true.

[zagor]

"Idiocracy" is beginning to look like a documentary.

[OddBeMe]

It’s not. It’s a private situation between a woman and her doctor.

[JustMe62]

Wokeism is jokeism. The platform or beliefs of the seriously misinform propogandists and fools.

[msc545]

You are entitled to your feelings. You are not entitled to your own facts.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Bit of a strawman. The actual argument is about the person who is pregnant identifying as a man, not that pregnancy is a social construct. If you say it accurately like: People who identify as men can get pregnant, then is there a problem?

[Exterminatore]

No need for the mental gymnastics. It’s pretty simple. Pregnancy is not a social construct. It’s a matter of biology. Men can not get pregnant, women can. Period.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

It’s not mental gymnastics, it’s plainly stated. Males can’t for now, some females can.

Just because sjws are insane about all sorts of nonsense doesn’t mean you can go hard in the other direction and be outright obtuse.

[Exterminatore]

You’re right. It would be obtuse of me to call out this reprobate behavior and insist on the current known biologically provable facts. I should entertain delusions and fantasy instead.

You leftists and so funny. You guys will even criticize anyone insisting on facts. You know what... facts are racist bro. Let’s go burn down the country this summer because right wingers insist on facts and those facts are getting in the way of the fantasy people want as opposed to objective reality. We must stand strong against facts which are racist, sexist, Islamophobic, homophobic, nativist, are contributing to climate change and are as you put it obtuse.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

It’s not a question of biology though. The biology isn’t in question. You’re just deliberately misrepresenting the question to make it sound more ridiculous. That’s straw-manning.

Also you have no idea what my politics are, so don’t even start. Right now, you’re representing the tribal right, not a reasonable right willing to unpack reality unbiased and accept whatever is truly possible.

Being tribal in the other direction isn’t any better.

[Exterminatore]

Keep talking. I love this. Tribal right. You leftists get more and more demented.

So, is that the new one now? Agree with me or you’re a tribalist? I got so used to being called a fascist and Nazi when disagreeing with a left winger.

Dude. Bottom line. Women can get pregnant, men can’t. I’m not going to have a galactically stupid argument about this.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

I’m not a leftist. See how you just default to believing that I am? That’s exactly being tribal.

“Agree with me or you’re a tribalist?”
No. It’s “this is what you are saying and it’s tribalist”. You can disagree with me and not be tribal, but that’s not what’s happening. You’re disagreeing with me and being tribal.

“ I got so used to being called a fascist and Nazi when disagreeing with a left winger.”
Still, not a left winger. And that’s still you being tribal again. And no you’re not a fascist, just closed minded.

“Women can get pregnant, men can’t.”
*Females can get pregnant, males can’t*
And that’s only true in the present. Think bigger picture. Rather that just explain it to you it’s better if you just try thinking outside the box to get it.

[Exterminatore]

You talk like one. For example you me mentioned tribalism. Tribalism is a right wing concept. Leftists have a “we’re all in it together” mentality. The extreme of this line of thinking would be communism. Globalism is another concept in this vein which is left wing. Right wingers tend to be individualists. They also tend along the same lines as tribalism. An example of this on a big scale would be nationalism. Right wingers tend to be more us and them minded. They tend not to be as interested in everyone coming together and tend not to be interested in accepting every ideology or doctrine for the sake of getting along but rather seem to be interested in sticking to their principals as an individual and rejecting things that do not conform. Taken to its extreme in this line of thinking you have fascism. You say tribalism as if it were bad. You said the “tribal” right. I see no problem with tribalism.

Leftists love playing word games. You’re doing that also. Female is not a social construct. The term is synonymous with woman. Men and males are synonymous.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

“You talk like one.”
I don’t agree. I think I said one thing that you associate with them and then seized on it, hence why it appears tribal.

Tribalism is taking a side because of the perception that it’s your team and that the other person isn’t on it. It’s not really unique to right or left, it’s more characteristic of authoritarians than right or left, but even then it’s still something anyone can do. Leftists tend to be more collectivist in a way that has the veneer of being more cooperative, but it’s a toxic level of cooperation that trends toward authoritarianism as they require an excess of cooperation (aka conformity or obedience) for their vision of society to work – other words, it doesn’t work.

“Leftists love playing word games. You’re doing that also.”
Not at all. Word games are deceptive, intended to divert from real meaning. What I’m doing is trying to be even more accurate. The words I’m choosing are more technically correct. Rather than just slamming me as a leftist, you could have tried a Socratic method to question it if you don’t agree with my choice of words.

“Female is not a social construct.”
I never said it was. But it’s not that simple either.

“The term is synonymous with woman.”
But not identical in meaning. Colloquially, people can use female and woman interchangeably. I’m not. I’m using the different words because of the specific technical differences in meaning. Same goes for men and males. The terms are not interchangeable in biological terminology.

[FoxnEagle]

Might want to change "diluted" to "deluded" :P

[Exterminatore]

Oops! Nice catch. Damn spell checker.

[Archerer]

What about when we can grow uteruses in a lab and implant them into trans women, or just regular old men who want to have babies?

[Exterminatore]

That’s a different matter. What you’re explaining would be biology. That is not this man’s argument. He is saying pregnancy is a social construct.

[Archerer]

I feel like gender identity is a “social construct” and that is ok. Your sex is biology though and can’t be changed, at least not with our current understanding of science. I’ll never call a trans woman a woman but I’d call her a her and a she, no problem. I do think trans is a mental disorder, but it’s not a serious one, and it’s one we can respect. they deal with a lot of emotional trauma already why continue to torment them when it doesn’t affect you at all? If woman transitions to a man and gets pregnant I have no issues with saying “he is pregnant” but he is still a trans man, and not an actual man. And I think that is far enough in terms of acceptance. If they have a problem with that, I think it begins to be a them problem, not a me problem.

[Archerer]

From my experience with the trans community it’s never ever been an issue unless you bring it up intentionally... in what situation would their gender identity matter? Not while we’re at a bar having drinks, not while watching a movie, not while hiking or camping or any normal human activity.

[Exterminatore]

Bear in mind I don’t think his statements are just pertaining to transgenders.

[Archerer]

He’s probably a little too far gone if you ask me, but it is a short clip with no context so maybe he explains himself a little better

[Exterminatore]

You can watch the full thing on YouTube if you care to. It’s over an hour long. A number of topics are discussed. Basically what you saw in the clip is his only explanation for that clip.

It’s wise of you to consider the context. A wise man hears all of a matter before making a decision.

[Anonymous]

Say what now? Does that mean if we all agree than I'm pregnant then I am? Hmmm. . . I'm pretty sure that's not how that works. . .

[Exterminatore]

Sure sounds like it. Since men can get pregnant now I need to see a doctors and get on birth control.

[Opinion Owner]

Why is it always assumed that we're talking about gender? A lot of the time what we're talking about is sex. When I'm referring to someone as a man or woman or he her her I'm referring to sex--not gender.

[Exterminatore]

Sex is synonymous with gender. Gender is not the degree of masculinity and feminity a person displays. Left wingers love playing word games.

[Opinion Owner]

No, I think that's the issue. Sex and gender ARE different. But because they are different, not EVERYTHING is about gender. In fact, often times what we care about is sex. Sex is a biological fact. If leftists want to have a concept of gender that's whatever an individual wants it to be, that's cool, but for most purposes what we as a society are using is sex--NOT gender. Like what goes on a birth certificate, what defines "mother" versus "father" for the purposes of filling out birth forms, or the SEX (not gender) of the child at birth. Participation in sports is determined by SEX--not gender. Access to spaces like locker rooms, women's spaces, etc., etc., are determined by sex not gender. The way to "win" the insane lefts linguistic game is to allow them to say gender is whatever anyone wants it to be (effectively like the name of your imaginary friend) but that as a society we determine all the things above NOT by gender but by sex.

[Exterminatore]

Sex and gender are synonymous and always have been until sometime in between roughly 3 years ago and now.

You really must understand the playing of word games is manipulative and is an attempt to normalize things that most people would be ok with otherwise.

Once the word gender is made to mean something other than what it always has and we now say there are more than 2 genders we open up the door to legitimize that. The truth is we all probably have varying traits that are masculine or feminine. This is part of personality. It’s plain and obvious to see. Is it gender though? No.

In regards to sex being used as determining factors for things... it won’t be as you describe it.

[Sabretooth]

trans men can get pregnant.

[razelove]

You can give a man leutinizing hormone to implant an embryo, but not a working uterus to carry a child to term. Even artificial uterus' haven't been tried yet on mammals to the best of my knowledge. Salt water live birth animals like fish and sharks are the farthest that has gone to the best of my knowledge.

If that has advanced further, please link.

[Sabretooth]

@razelove trans men were once women.

[razelove]

Ok, the terminology can be confusing, I was assuming by trans men you meant men who transitioned to women. Men by nature have their reproductive organs removed if they transition surgically, women have their clit enlarged, vagina removed, and optionally can keep or remove their reproductive organs.

Wouldn't that make trans the social construct rather than pregnancy? If a woman truly identifies as a man, why would "he" want to do the one thing that truly distinguishes women from men and get pregnant in the first place, step one before even getting pregnant would be to go back to being a woman without so much testosterone and allow the ovaries to work again, to say nothing of introducing an embryo or sperm, as well as menstruation for every attempt that they don't get pregnant.

Whatever, science is BS in this day and age, we're in the age of dreams and unicorn farts.

[Sabretooth]

@razelove you're talking about trans women.

[Sabretooth]

@razelove as far as your question--not necessarily. i've noticed that those who choose to op out of srs and are comfortable using what they have are far more happier than those who don't.

[razelove]

Just have clarity, trans woman, identifies as a man, trans woman, identifies as a woman. I get those, what will and won't get you cancelled, is or isn't "transphobic" changes on a monthly basis and I don't care enough to keep up with what will keep precious snow flakes who make up less of the population than native americans warm and fuzzy.

On that note, why don't we put 1/100th of the effort into helping the indigenous community rather than entitled ones? It takes a lot of money to be trans, with or without surgery. That's a privilege, and the left should be all about helping the least privileged. Today (and since manifest destiny) that would be indigenous populations. It also makes reparations look like a hot bag of garbage in comparison.

[razelove]

"op out of srs" what does that mean?

[Sabretooth]

@razelove i following left-wing news sources--they want to. i've heard from republicans and they don't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtKT0_ncZiE . as far as privilege and entitlement... most republicans if not all are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W10l3OOwOg

[Sabretooth]

@razelove they decide against the surgery.

[Sabretooth]

@razelove while i'm not part of any political party--half of my family are trump supporting republicans who are full of hate of both immigrants and demarcates.

[razelove]

I don't see how being against illegal immigrants is being entitled. On the contrary that hurts poor and middle class people the most. If you have money you can benefit greatly from housing, feeding, and poorly paying migrant laborers to work. A lot of the human trafficking business is concerned with labor and military forces rather than the pure image of sex workers that's promoted. Hookers just make the most money.

They also most certainly are not indigenous people... apples to oranges, but that's how the left argues, a woman who takes steroids and identifies as a man is just that, if she stops taking steroids and gets pregnant, please, in your looping explanations of logic, explain to me how that's a man? Because they cut their hair short? That's a transvestite at that point.

The problem I have isn't with what people do, but the bullshit claims and idea that because you believe 2+2=5, so should everyone else. I'll accept that your ideas and opinions are your own, like you're free to believe a false statement that men can get pregnant. My problem is when y'all start screaming, destroying livelihoods, assaulting, and throwing tantrums when other people don't care or accept a false statement as a true one.

[Sabretooth]

@razelove ''illegals'' that's just a term they use to justify their hate--trump went after legals as well as children from foreign where they could no longer could be considered u. s citizens--hatred of immigrants was what drew people to trump as a few studies like this prove: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNVB1RVq7Y . trans is less to do with the body and more to do with the mind. trans people are different from cis. i myself have been attracted to trans women--some trans people never transition.

[razelove]

I can't, I just can't. Constructive debate is something I'm all for, but whatever form of Asperger's you have makes talking with severe and profound special ed students seem more appealing. Call yourself a woman all you want, you can't get knocked up.

Go to Pakistan, Turkey, China, any country outside the West, and cross the border illegally, call yourself a "misunderstood" rather than illegal immigrant, you'll still get shot. We're just weak and cowardly. Also you're blaming Trump for Obama's policy there chief.

[Sabretooth]

@razelove Republicans hated trump because he was black. Additionally, don't try gaslighting me--even democrats acknowledge Obama also did the kids in cages.

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@Sabretooth

Then that would be called a woman.

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@sabertoot

Love how mid way through your convo with raze love you mention Trump. Tell all your liberal minded friends Trump isn’t president anymore. You guys sound like Obama, still blaming Bush mid way through his first term. Can’t live in the past.