What’s your opinion about transgender people?

[Anonymous]

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I think we are just people just like anyone else.

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Also we want to be treated with respect just like everyone else.

[MCheetah]

I would just treat them like everyone else if so many of them weren't hyper-entitled assholes who want all of society to confirm to them, by changing laws, forcing language to be changed and for people to have to lie to them and themselves, and trying to beat biological women in sports.

I don't believe one can change their sex and I never will, and I'm not going to be pressured into lumping in men into the same group of people I find sexually attractive, women. I would be, and am, fine with people doing whatever they want even if I don't agree with it, as long as they aren't hurting others. But so many transpeople are just complete and utter assholes. Bitching about "transphobia" just so you can be a biological man that gets to beat women makes you a piece of sh"t. It has nothing to do with being trans; anyone who would need to destroy society just to have their fickle insecurities placated are a piece of sh*t. And that's what I keep seeing.

Of course, some transpeople are cool, like Blaire White. They can respect others and not try to destroy society just to get their way. They don't whine and bitch about pronouns or ask people to lie to them or belittle themselves and sense of reality by calling a man in a dress a "she" and "her." They don't demand the world kiss their asses 24/7.

And then you got the Jessica Yaniv, Tiffany Moore, and Caitlin Jenner crowd. The ones who are such horrible human beings, it makes all transpeople look bad by comparison. The group is so small, once you start allowing assholes like them to do whatever they want, it makes all transpeople be hated and resented by normal society.

I know not all transpeople are SJW's like that, but it's like a tug of war of public opinion. And right now, the assholes side are making it so that regular people dislike dealing with transpeople more so than tolerating them (which will then lead to acceptance).

You don't get to strong-arm society into respecting you, nor do you get to say "sleep with me, suck my dick, and wax my balls, or I'm going to call you a 'transphobe' and Cancel you." If that was anyone, trans or not, I'd tell them to f*ck off. That's not how acceptance works, but too many transpeople (at least propped up by the media) are like that nowadays.

So my opinion is, I want to treat them like everyone else, but the ones trying to control language, sports, restrooms, children's puberty, and society in general are making me and probably most people less and less tolerant and patient with them.

[hellionthesagereborn]

They have a medical condition that shouldn't be taken lightly as they have many issues they have to face and we shouldn't pretend like this is a good thing or normal when its not. Now do I think trans people should be treated with respect? Of course, I don't know any one who would say otherwise and that is including people who are critical of transgenderism. But one should not pander just because some one is suffering because that doesn't make things better.

They have a 16x higher suicide rate compared to the average, thats a big deal. Pushing transgenderism as normal is horrible as most people who are "transgender" grow out of it (it happens most often in the teen years as hormones change and body changes they acquire body dismorphia which is pretty common but once puberty is well on its way they grow out of it). This has lead to many "transgender" people to detransition, however the damage to their bodies as this idea of any and all dismorphia must be transgenderism and must be treated with hormone replacement and drastic surgeries with no delay is completely counter to science and also insane. As a result they are now permanently damaged, almost always permanently sterilized and their is no fixing things once this procedure has been done, you can mitigate the changes but not get rid of them and that will affect their health (we know that increased gender hormones in the opposite gender leads to cancer and sterility for example) and their social lives (voice changes that cannot be reversed, features that cannot be reversed, damage to genitalia and thus their sexual capabilities and all the psychological aspects tied to it etc.).

So you treat every one with respect and dignity, but you MUST be very careful, many of these so called "transgender" people are seeking attention and want to be special (in the trans community these people are often called transsetters because its just trendy for them and not an actual medical condition), many others have had this idea pushed onto them (especially younger ones) when they where confused about their own bodies and situations and where not given time to figure things out before being pushed down this road by irresponsibe people, and lastly, it has lasting changes to their bodies and their lives that cannot be reversed so it should be deliberated on for a long time. You wouldn't want a doctor rushing to a conclusion, that just because you have pain in your abdomen he shouldn't be calling to perform surgery on you immediatley to cut out a tumor without consulation and testing and x rays etc. so why would transgenderism be any different?(and it is treated differently.).

If after all of this they are shown to be transgender, they want to go through the procedures they feel are best for them, then they have that right and they should not be punished for something they have no control over, but again, we shouldn't take this as lightly as so many in society are trying to do.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

I don't have any negative opinion on them as people. I judge people based on their personality and views. In that respect, good and bad transgender people exist just like people of any other group. However, I don't agree that transgender people are the biological sex that they claim to be. Biological sex isn't something that can be chosen because it's based on biological roles during reproduction that can't altered. For example, if a person has 46, XY chromosomes and the reproduction role of producing sperm and fertilizing egg cells, then the person is male. If a person has 46, XX chromosomes and the reproduction role of producing cell eggs and giving birth to offspring, then the person is female. Simply undergoing a surgery, taking hormones, and behaving in a stereotypical way as the opposite sex doesn't actually make a person the opposite sex because doing so doesn't add new reproduction roles. It simply gets rid of those roles. I personally believe that people should accept their biological sex and love themselves instead of becoming transgender. I also disagree with people that my call my view of this "transphobia." It's simply basic biology.

[RandomLoser]

Based

[007kingifrit]

that's weirdly the opposite of what i thought you would have said a year ago, did you have some sort of epiphany?

[doopayo]

To all the transphobes in the comments, happy pride month 🏳️‍🌈 !


Not all trans individuals have dysphoria, in fact many doctors have concluded that transitioning is the best and only way to help with dysphoria. Dysphoria also isn’t a mental illness, it’s an emotional state.


And lastly, biology isn’t as simple as xx and xy chromosomes. Multiple things go into determine an individuals sex, but gender is a social construct. Femininity and masculinity are both performative social constructs.


That’s why you can see biological women being called/compared to men just for having deep voices or being tall.


I support the trans community, that’s my opinion.

[Twinrova]

You think that gender is something that is performative?

[Asker]

@doopayo you’re absolutely right. Thank you for the support.

[007kingifrit]

biology is very simple; born with a penis is male born with a vagina is female; all other exceptions are outside the scope of normal everyday life and can be ignored for this conversation

and studies repeatedly show transitioning doesn't work A review of more than 100 studies found no long term benefits of gender reassignment surgery at all for trans people. And that many studies had poor methodology heavily skewed towards telling trans people what they wanted to hear which means encourages the operations even though they have no positive effects www.theguardian.com/.../health.socialcare

[doopayo]

@007kingifrit if biology was that simple than people majoring it are just stupid I guess? Biology isn’t that simple, I’m pretty sure I’ve already explained you this on multiple other threads regarding transgender people (also why tf are trans people called transexual in that article, sex and gender are two different things so if the article doesn’t know that than Whoever wrote it has no place to even talking about weather conversion is right or not.

The truth is multiple studies show that an extremely low amount of transgender individuals regret transitioning, not only that but trans people don’t get to just wake up one day and transition? They have to go threw a lot of stuff and it takes years before most transitioning Procedures are even approved.

Lastly, I’ll explain this. Genitalia does not equal gender. Intersex people with sexual and reproductive anatomy that doesn’t fit the typical definitions of female or male exist. Simplifying a persons gender to just their genitalia is simplified biology that doctors and literal scientists have abandoned.

Since labeling someone’s gender at birth based off genetalia doesn’t fully capture the complex biological, anatomical, and chromosomal variations that can occur.

[doopayo]

@CoolTeen Np !

[Asker]

We need more people like you in the world @doopayo

[doopayo]

@Twinrova yes, it’s exactly why young boys are taught to hate everything that’s feminine because their parents are “scared it will make them gay”. It’s exactly why boys will grow up with this mindset and end up having fragile masculinity because if these boys weren’t taught to hate feminine things at a young age than when they where older they would be comfortable in their masculinity to the point they’d know that doing their nails, liking a show that’s “for girls”, or even having a naturally higher pitched voice doesn’t make them less masculine.

[007kingifrit]

biology as a subject is not simple, biology on THIS topic is very simple. don't reduce words its childish

you also totally ignored my list of 100 studies in favor of a far less scientific idea of asking people if they regret big choices. OF COURSE people won't admit they regret their choices... that would require them to admit they made a mistake... which people won't do. SOOOO your study is unscientific as it relies on self reported information. all studies that rely on this are fake

yes; your genitals are your gender. any other definition of gender is unscientific

[Twinrova]

Okay, I feel like you're getting a bit off-topic, though. When you say gender is" performative", what does that mean?

[wonderfulstation404]

"to all the transphobes in the comments, happy pride month "
man if you don't pack your shit and get the F outta here... people don't like em cuz every small thing becomes an issue... I've mistake girls for guys vice-versa multiple times its never an issue but this lghbtqs+max people be dresing the both genders and expect people to know right away wtf thet are... and this is just thr tip of the ice berg.

[doopayo]

@wonderfulstation404 no one asked for your homophobic opinion dude

[007kingifrit]

*looks at topic of question*

well actually... yea she did ask for our opinions lol

[doopayo]

@doopayo than he could’ve made his own comment instead of replying to mine just to get mad

[Asker]

@doopayo don’t listen to the haters.

[OlderAndWiser]

Mentally ill people, but I won't bother them if they won't bother me. And don't suggest that I must call them normal or start using some made-up pronoun because they want to be "different!"

[Asker]

Well we’re not mentally ill.

[OlderAndWiser]

That is your biased opinion.

[Asker]

It’s not baiaed

[Asker]

It’s not biased opinion.

[not_a_twinkie]

Being trans does not equate to a mental illness, and you can call me biased but I say this as someone who works and studies mental illness

[Nachowedgie]

Clearly neither of you have heard of gender dysphoria then

[not_a_twinkie]

Gender dysphoria is currently classified as a mental illness yes, but being trans is not, the two are not mutually exclusive. Added that the "disorder" is psychological stress relating to one's sex.

[OlderAndWiser]

@not_a_twinkie And the suicide rate for sex change people is astronomically high.

[not_a_twinkie]

If you really want to get into that fine. It's not astronomically high it's up 20% from the general population according to published studies however raw data puts it at 19%, that is if you're talking about those who've gone through gender reassignment surgery, however those results are not due to the surgery, but more likely depression and stress relating to gender dysphoria. As it is a relatively new research topic it's not know for sure if surgery can relieve symptoms of gender dysphoria but that is the known cause of suicide.
Generalised statements and even statistics can so easily be twisted.

[OlderAndWiser]

@not_a_twinkie A Canadian mental health group reports that one of every 3 trans youth attempted suicide in the preceding year.
www.mentalhealthcommission.ca/.../...t%20sheet.pdf

[not_a_twinkie]

Which just feeds into what I said about depression and gender dysphoria related psychological stress, not to mention the bullying and ostracization caused by societal views of trans people. I don't know what you think you're arguing here

[OlderAndWiser]

Of course you don't know.

[bannacookies]

Their suicide rate is high because they have people calling them mentally I'll & illogical.

[bannacookies]

Oops. Auto correct keeps putting I'll when it's supposed to say ill.

[Asker]

That’s exactly right @bannacookies.

[Nachowedgie]

Sorry that the truth hurts but maybe you should face it instead of behaving like little victims

[Asker]

There’s no truth here.

[Nachowedgie]

Your opinion doesn't get to decide what is and isn't truth

[Asker]

It’s not an opinion.

[007kingifrit]

@bannacookies that's a valid theory of why their suicide rate is so high... but its disproven

Even acceptance has little effect on the suicide rate of trans people and the suicide rate among people who are fully accepted is still over 41% queeramnesty.ch/.../...ms-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

[Asker]

Sad thing that you misgendered me @kingfrit.

[Asker]

No misgendering me.

[OlderAndWiser]

Actually, the absolute truth is that surgery can be used to try to make a man look like a woman, but surgery cannot turn a man into a woman. A woman has XX chromosomes in every cell of her body. She is born with a uterus, ovaries, a vagina and all the other parts that distinguish men and women. No surgeon can make that happen to a man. And the same is true of women who want to become men. You can try to imitate a man and some of them may learn to act like a man in some ways, but looking somewhat like a man doesn't make you a man.

You can repeat your lie a million times but that does not make it true.

[TruthBringer]

@OlderAndWiser Very well said!

[not_a_twinkie]

Honestly the chromosome argument is old, it's the only one 'people' don't think can be argued against, but honestly there are so many different chromosomal combinations and not to mention that people can be born intersex.
But I don't expect you to listen to me, you certainly haven't listened to anything else I've said.

[Nachowedgie]

Because you've typed the same message about ten times now xD

[OlderAndWiser]

@not_a_twinkie "there are so many different chromosomal combinations " and you forgot to mention that they are as rare as a two-headed chicken.

[not_a_twinkie]

For the record any given person has a 20% chance of having XXY, and if they don't they still have a 10% of X. It's not as rare as you would believe, or I suppose have other people believe

[Nachowedgie]

I can make up statistics too, did you know 100% of the pink users on this thread have no clue what they're talking about.

Oh wait no that that's not made up, that's true xD oh well

[OlderAndWiser]

@not_a_twinkie Stick with real facts and not those you make up for the purpose of an argument.

"XXY aneuploidy is the most common disorder of sex chromosomes in humans, with a prevalence of one in 500 males. Other sex chromosomal aneuploidies are much less frequent with 48, XXYY and 48, XXXY being present in 1 per 17,000 to 1 per 50,000 male births. The incidence of 49, XXXXY is 1 per 85,000 to 100,000 male births."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1634840/

[not_a_twinkie]

Back on track, I didn't make anything up and I don't know where you got that idea from. However quite frankly I don't care about your opinion of my knowledge, me, or who or what trans people are or are not. Because all of this is not about you, I can't change the path of a stubborn mule as much as I may want to, however I can point out to others the cliff it is walking towards. The point is not to change you, but to inform others and show people like CoolTeen that there are some actually willing to defend them and back them up

[not_a_twinkie]

You're just a garden variety transphobe, likely among other things, and I'm tired of you

[OlderAndWiser]

@not_a_twinkie And you are a garden variety SJW/keyboard warrior. Who fabricates statistics when the truth is inconvenient.

[not_a_twinkie]

Still not making up facts, and keyboard warrior implies I wouldn't fight you in real life

[Nachowedgie]

Of course you wouldn't xD we all know that, you're all talk

[OlderAndWiser]

@not_a_twinkie Do you remember saying "For the record any given person has a 20% chance of having XXY, and if they don't they still have a 10% of X. It's not as rare as you would believe, or I suppose have other people believe" And I quoted a government source which shows how extremely rare karyotype anomalies are at 23. Yes, making up facts. . . and you can deny it again but that is what people do when they tell stories.

[not_a_twinkie]

I used statistics based at point of contraception, fuck off

[OlderAndWiser]

@not_a_twinkie Personal attacks are a testament to the invalidity of your argument. Goodbye.

[TruthBringer]

@OlderAndWiser Well said, it's always those who have no valid arguments who resort to personal attacks (ad hominems). You know what they say --> Empty cans make the loudest noise

[TurboKid]

I have nothing against them and even have a couple of trans friends. Yet I disagree heavily with the most radical kinds of trans-activism. Take Riley Dennis' thoughts as an example:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/HVS5kGU1Joo

I'm also at least reluctant about trans athletes participating in women's sports. I realize the average trans person probably doesn't have much of an advantage but gold medals are awarded to the extremities. It seems extremely improbable to me that a Mary Gregory, if she lacked any sort of physiological advantage as a result of HRT, and as a member of a group that makes up less than 0.5% of the world's population, can break four women's powerlifting world records in one day if there was no physical advantage to being a transwoman participating in women's sports.

So I'm against a lot of radical trans-activism of this sort but not against trans people at all. I am against the ideology that would label me "cissexist" or transphobic for refusing to date a trans person, for example, but have nothing against trans people. In fact, the most radical forms of that ideology didn't even seem to originate with trans people to my understanding. It was pushed by critical theorists to my understanding.

[TurboKid]

I am against the ideology that would make it a hate crime if I inadvertently misgendered a person sporting a full beard and t-shirt and jeans and referred to the person as a "he/him", not knowing the person identifies as a woman. I've not met a single trans person who would hold such a thing against me though.

[TurboKid]

If people have listened to some of Joe Rogan's podcasts, my thoughts align with him on this subject. I don't think he has anything against trans people. I don't either.

[melanieeeB]

I believe that they have mental problems and I'm sorry for that.
Anyways you do you, the only thing that I don't support is when little kids start with this and parents let them make those big decisions.
I don't think kids are able to make such a decision, they are free to feel like the other gender and I don't mind when they dress up and all but all the operations and hormon changes shouldn't be allowed until the kid is a full functional adult and only if you can for 100000% exclude that this wasn't just a fucking phase

[TruthBringer]

NAILED IT!

[friendzoned4life]

Thinking you are born as the wrong gender is a serious mentall illness If you have to change the body parts to feel good about yourself I say do it. But not after seeing a therapist mot because I want that therapist to talk it out of you. But I want that therapist to help you find out if that really is what you want and if yes than go ahead.

Never make the change before at least 18 the Childs mind isn't capable of understanding what it means to do a sex/genderswap maybe that causes them to be in pain longer but it also prevents them from doing something they are gonna regret. Sometimes as a Child wanting to be the other gender is Just a phase and in other cases it is a serious mental illness that only can be fixed by a sexchange operation.

A side from being born in the wrong body there is nothing wrong with trans People. However when dating. You should always make it clear before the first Kiss that you we're the other gender before.

I Personally don't care if you are trans or not but when it comes to dating a trans person can never fullfill my wishes in a relationship like wanting children the natural so that is why I will not be wanting to date a trans person. Doesn't mean I don't respect them. I Am Just not in to them. Last year I when going to a bar was still allowed my bartender was a dude when we come back there if they open in the hopefully near future he will be a chick. I won't change bars because of it I will Just order my beer and treat m with the same respect as before.

The only thing I don't respect are those attention seekers that claim to be non-binary and stuff.

I feel like those People are Just wanting to be victims and are actually mocking transpeople

[friendzoned4life]

To clarify I mean that the sex change is the cure to the mentall illness so when you made the change I consider u cured

[TheSpaceGnome]

I think having surgery for emotional reasons is dumb in general, this could be breast implants or a face lift on a porn star, those weird body mods to look like a freaky monster person, or turning a penis into a vagina for a trans person, etc. Surgery should fix health problems, not cause them.


I also don't agree that there are male and female ways of thinking, and I see no issue in men wearing a dress and makeup or a woman wearing sweatpants and a hoodie, or having hobbies that dont match a gendered stereotype, so I don't think "feeling like you are trapped in the wrong body" makes any sense to me, because the only thing gendered is the body, the mind is genderless.




I don't hold any ill will toward trans people, but I typically don't get along with them because anyone willing to cut into themselves because of how they feel is a very different mindset than the "I don't eat red meat because of the cancer risk type of mind", its kind of like bringing an atheist to a church, or a beer company owner to alcoholics anonymous, or an oil rig owner to a climate change summit. or putting the owner of a tobacco company in the FDA. they will never see eye to eye from a morality perspective when it comes to safety and logical steps to avoid risks.

[Asker]

Not all transgender people have surgery.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I don't consider the people who do not have sexual reassignment surgery to be transgender, so I disagree on that based on definition use alone. So for example a male who wants to be called a female but did not have sexual reassignment surgery is still a male.

[Asker]

It sounds like you did.

[TheSpaceGnome]

nope, I've never had cosmetic surgery before.

[TheSpaceGnome]

never will either

[TheSpaceGnome]

i don't even drink alcohol, my body's organs are precious to me

[Asker]

There’s a lot of transgender people who doesn’t have surgery.

[TheSpaceGnome]

thats like saying there are a lot of video gamers that never play video games.

sexual reassignment surgery people = transgender. No surgery = not transgender

[TheSpaceGnome]

the only exception is intersex people but that happens before birth.

[Asker]

That’s absolutely not true.

[Asker]

Not all transgender people transition.

[TheSpaceGnome]

yes it is true, and scientifically speaking, you're wrong.

[TheSpaceGnome]

explain to me what makes a person transgendered without the physical sex change, because if you say its anything mental, I'm automatically going to disagree because there is no such thing and a male or female mind.

[TheSpaceGnome]

a human being of any gender, is capable of having any opinions, any preferences, any sexual orientations, any amounts of knowledge or ignorance, any views or habits or clothing styles, the very idea that thoughts can be gender influenced is horsehit.

[TheSpaceGnome]

also, gender = biological sex

[Asker]

Not everyone who is transgender prioritizes or desires procedures, such as hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, required for a full medical transition. While some undergo medical transitions for cosmetic, psychological, or health reasons, many won’t because they can’t afford it, face some other obstacle, or simply don’t want to. Some but not all trans people require but can’t access medical care. They may, for instance, suffer from severe gender dysphoria, a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity. This condition, the American Medical Association. I hope this explains it.

[TheSpaceGnome]

those people aren't transgender yet because they haven't had the surgery yet, they may intend to be transgendered, or want to be, but they aren't.

gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, there is no such thing as "gender identity" because that ideology relies on easily proven false gender mindset stereotypes, ie it relies on men and women thinking differently, and sorry, but they don't.

[TheSpaceGnome]

men and women are able to think the exact same ways, this gender identity is a myth.

[TheSpaceGnome]

thus*

[TheSpaceGnome]

i have straight ex girlfriends that prove that to me firsthand

[TheSpaceGnome]

and lots if friends as well that prove it, stop holding into gender stereotypes, they are bs.

[TheSpaceGnome]

onto*

[TheSpaceGnome]

in fact all forms of separation between how men and women think are entirely cultural, and have nothing to do with biology/gender.

[Asker]

Transgender doesn’t equal surgery. Here’s you go.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/.../gender-affirmation-do-i-need-surgery

[TheSpaceGnome]

scotsman wear skirts for example, in japan men have worn dresses, pink used to be for boy babies in the US and blue for girls until it was switched, there is no aspect that we consider to be masculine or feminine thats not just an artificial culture induced thing.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Sorry but that article is wrong, hormone levels can't change your sex after birth, as the organs are already formed, and the rest of that is unisex, and gender identity does not exist.

[Asker]

It’s not wrong. I’ll tell you this again. Not all transgender people don’t have surgery prioritizes or desires procedures, such as hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgeries, required for a full medical transition. While some undergo medical transitions for cosmetic, psychological, or health reasons, many won’t because they can’t afford it, face some other obstacle, or simply don’t want to. Some but not all trans people require but can’t access medical care. They may, for instance, suffer from severe gender dysphoria, a state of emotional distress caused by how someone’s body or the gender they were assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity. This condition, the American Medical Association.

[TheSpaceGnome]

And i will repeat myself as well, all of what you said is incorrect to any biologist

[Asker]

I’m not incorrect.

[Asker]

Not everyone has the money to transition.

[TheSpaceGnome]

yes you are, and many many years of scientific literature and study and evidence prove you are completely wrong

[Asker]

Or can’t.

[TheSpaceGnome]

if i can't physically fly a plane or afford to, im not a pilot! again, you are wrong!

[Asker]

Not everyone has the money to transition or they simply can’t. Because of health problems.

[TheSpaceGnome]

"want" does not = "is"

[TheSpaceGnome]

the simple fact that you cannot comprehend basic logic, is exactly what i was talking about before in regards to "i have nothing against them but typically do not get along with them"

[TheSpaceGnome]

all you have done is prove my point

[Asker]

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

[Asker]

I’m not proving you any point.

[Asker]

You can’t tell a transgender person who can’t transition they’re not transgender because that’s not your place to say.

[TheSpaceGnome]

actually, i do know what i'm talking about, you on the other hand think that if a person wants to be something, that they automatically are that, and thats not how reality works.

[Asker]

Actually no

[TheSpaceGnome]

i can make any objective statement i want, and its not your place to control speech of others

[TheSpaceGnome]

you would fail a biology class

[TheSpaceGnome]

and a philosophy class

[TheSpaceGnome]

and anything with cause and effect experiments

[TheSpaceGnome]

this is why religion is bad, it pulls the same I'm right because i say so and fuck reality kind of bs mentally, and you want to claim its not a mental disorder, yeah right.

[TheSpaceGnome]

no one is telling you to change how you act or think, but don't expect anyone to adhere to nonsense definitions with no scientific backing

[TheSpaceGnome]

ie don't expect support for illogical claims

[Asker]

For your information not all transgender people can transition. Because one they don’t have any money. Two, transphobic parents. Three, health concerns. Four or don’t want too. Just because they don’t want to transition that doesn’t mean that they’re any less transgender person.

[TheSpaceGnome]

i disagree, i think that indeed makes them not transgender, because again, want does not equal is, thats not how reality works. at this point you are just repeating a functionally insane idea as if it will somehow make it true. also again, people like that can do as they please, the label has no impact on their lifestyle, and you are obsessing pointlessly.

[Asker]

That’s not true not all transgender people can transition.

[Asker]

That doesn’t make them any less of transgender person.

[TheSpaceGnome]

you are also labeling tomboyish girls as transgender, if my ex heard you say that in person she'd probably deck ya, so just keep in mind, there are people who dont want to be viewed as transgender just because they think like their opposite gender friend. you are trying to push stereotypes onto people, and it's wrong.

[TheSpaceGnome]

you can repeat yourself until blue in the face, I will never agree with you, nor will most scientific minds

[TheSpaceGnome]

the only thing that makes gender is genitals.

[Asker]

Not everyone has that kind of money. You know to that surgery costs a of money. Not everyone can afford to have surgery or hormone treatment. Both cost a tone of money.

[Asker]

Ton.

[TheSpaceGnome]

so what? i can't afford to learn how to build extinct dinosaurs from the ground up, that doesn't make me a peleogeneticist even though thats my dream job.

You make no sense. money is irrelevant. once they can afford it, THEN they will be transgender, and not before.

[TheSpaceGnome]

its a physical state, not a mental state

[Asker]

Actually what I’m saying it does makes sense. They don’t transition because it cost ton of money.

[Asker]

Not everyone can afford to transition.

[TheSpaceGnome]

you sound like a bot who's AI script broke and just repeats nonsense over and over.

[Asker]

Sometimes they can’t because their health problems.

[TheSpaceGnome]

the reasons why they haven't done something has no impact on how they are described physically in a given state.

[TheSpaceGnome]

why do you think repeating yourself like an ocd person is going to change my mind?

[Asker]

What I’m saying is the truth.

[Asker]

Some transgender can’t have gender reassignment surgery because of their physical state.

[TheSpaceGnome]

no, you are repeating nonsense and ignoring the truth.

[Asker]

You’re the one who’s ignoring the truth.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Dude, your entire argument is based on 2 falsehoods, 1. that want = is, and 2. that gender is a mentality. both of those claims are false, and without them, your entire argument falls apart.

[TheSpaceGnome]

i have already won this debate, i win i didn't even want, you are at this point a broken record who's logic is flawed

[TheSpaceGnome]

a win*

[Asker]

No you haven’t won anything.

[TheSpaceGnome]

You keep telling yourself that dude, also the idea that you can't have unneeded surgery that causes damage to the body because you already have body damage, is like saying you can't get damaged in a car crash because you scraped your knee, or fell off a ladder and broke both legs.

transgender surgery is done in an area where, even with no preexisting health issues, it can kill you during the procedure, because of how many major blood vessels run through there.

So the idea of "person A's health isn't good enough to safely do it" is ridiculous, as there is no such thing as safely having that surgery.

[TheSpaceGnome]

you can't safely remove bodily organs

[Asker]

You didn’t win anything. Saying you won a debate makes you a sore loser.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Sore nothing, I legitimately proved my point, you did not.

I'm saying I won the debate because there is nothing left to talk about since you keep repeating falsehoods that make no sense, instead of even attempting to explain why you think you are right, (and I keep correcting them).

I explained logically why what you said was incorrect, and your response was to be a toxic record player.

You are attempting to defeat an argument with literally zero backing up of your claim, while using flawed circular logic.

The point of winning an argument is to reveal truth, not win a prize, just grow up and admit your argument makes no sense, and that you shouldn't be expecting others to give up logic just because they don't agree with you after you did so yourself.

[Asker]

Hold on I’m gonna laugh.

[nandinikhaneja]

I think they are really cool people. I don't know, why they have to fight for their rights because I feel personally, everybody has right to do whatever they can. But, fighting for their rights in order to prove to others that they are cool really saddens me. People bully them, I just want them to be happy and want that in future where it is normal that you are being gay, transgender or bisexual.

[007kingifrit]

that's not how rights work, trans ask for special treatment and demand we think of them differently than they actually are

you do not have the right to ask me to lie for you

furthermore they are dangerous as they damage the concept of science with self asserted truths taht nobody else can observe

[Asker]

I agree with you

[Asker]

Not you king.

[PhantomMk]

My opinion simply put is this you do you and as long as your upfront about cool I’m neither for nor against transgenders I believe that they are human beings at the end of the day. That being said so long as they aren’t forcing their ideology on anyone and continue to be a productive member of society I see no reason to have an opinion on them.

[Asker]

I totally agree with you. That goes for everyone for me.

[007kingifrit]

this is a childish opinion because if you let people believe untrue things they will eventually turn around and force them on you or your kids. you can't co exist peacefully with irreconcilable differences

[Puppystarfish23]

I really don't care what's between someone's legs as long as they respect themselves and others I don't see the issue.

My next door neighbors trans daughter is only 17 and he comes out the house in hot pants and dresses and acts really inappropriately at times. It's hard to keep a straight face I will amit and I don't agree with how there parents are letting them leave the house. If it was a non trans girl you wouldn't allow her to go out the house looking like that as a respectable parent so why is it okay for for there trans daughter go out dressed like a hooker. Honestly I'm not slut shaming but it's borderline public indecency.

These are the types of people who gives trans people a bad name and make them look crazy and embarrassing when most just wanna be treated like human beings and get on with there lifes. As long as they are genuine and don't casually make a song and dance about it I don't see why it should concern others.

[Puppystarfish23]

Sorry I didn't mean to put "He" I wasn't trying to be disrespectful

[RandomLoser]

At what age did this 17 year old begin transitioning?

[Puppystarfish23]

@RandomLoser Probably around 15/16. It was around Christmas time in 2019

[Shiver]

I don't get people who make a big deal out of it tbh. Not like you guys are infringing on anyone's rights by being you.
A few of my friends have come out publicly as trans and faced nothing but support when they were scared to receive only judgement. I suppose it's a lot more accepted where I live tho. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Asker]

That’s absolutely right.

[007kingifrit]

but they are infringing on rights ; here look.

Brown University study shows children placed around trans are more likely to become trans www.telegraph.co.uk/.../

Trans prisoner rapes females in women’s prison www.theguardian.com/.../transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

Trans athletes are stealing scholarships from women by their natural male advantages in the physical world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BuV-s1SYLk

[Joey_007]

I only have one problem with the trans community I've never been a fan of paying someone to cut, remove or add things to your body because you don't like the way it looks and I keep thinking if I have children I'd never allow my daughter to get breast implants or anything along those lines so why would I allow them to remove their breasts or my son his member, part of me hopes that they're drawn to the lifestyle and don't actually care to be that gender because I wouldn't know how to deal with that, self acceptance is important to me some might say it's easy for me too say but I've seen those who go through with altering themselves it doesn't end well. What made you want to transition, was it the lifestyle?

[Asker]

To let you know it’s really not your business that we transgender people do with our bodies.

[Joey_007]

That's not what I'm saying I'm concerned as to their perception of themselves I need to understand it I don't hate them or wish them any harm I need to understand their mental state is all, how am I supposed to handle this when someone I know personally says they want to transition is there a better approach outside of rejecting your body in it's original state. I do not hate them or think their weird or disturbing I'm just concerned about their mental health or the repercussion there of and you're the first one I've had the pleasure of communicating with so why not help me through it?

[Asker]

That sounds like what you’re saying. It’s not easy to be transgender.

[Joey_007]

I know it's not easy which is why I'm asking you to help me, help make it easier for someone else or at least fully understand what is they hope to achieve with their transition

[Asker]

Well for me, I want pretty much what other men wants.

[Joey_007]

Please don't hate me for asking this but couldn't you have that without the surgeries

[Asker]

Well no.

[Asker]

Some can but that depends on the person.

[Joey_007]

how so

[Asker]

It’s hard to explain.

[Joey_007]

I was hoping you could help me out here

[Asker]

I know

[Joey_007]

It's kwl cheers

[Asker]

Cheers to you too 👍🏼👍🏼.

[Sarahnah]

I don't see gender the same way they do, I believe you are what you were born as. But regardless they are still human beings and should be respected. However, they should NOT try to drag me into their gender madness and push their lifestyles on me, because I'm not interested. I believe in live and let live I guess...

[Asker]

As a transgender person I would never drag you into anything.

[Sarahnah]

Cool. Some of them though will call you a horrible person just because you said you believe that there's only two genders.

[Asker]

I think it’s wrong that people do that.

[007kingifrit]

@Sarahnah when 2 groups of people have irreconcilable differences they will eventually hurt eachother. you can't just "live and let live" for long

[Sarahnah]

@007kingifrit That's true. That's why I don't want to get close with anyone strongly associated with the LGBT community. But I still try to be respectful.

[007kingifrit]

@Sarahnah if you know that violence with them is inevitable is it really right to be respectful?

[Sarahnah]

@007kingifrit Not all of them are gonna be violent. Some just want to peacefully live their lives and exist. But yes of course I wouldn't respect the ones who don't respect me and try forcing their beliefs on me or, heaven forbid, become violent. I kind of treat it as a religion, so it should be separated from state laws. Gendered spaces such as prisons, sports, clubs, etc. should be based on biological sex, but transmen should not be allowed in women's sports because they take testosterone.

[Belgie]

I think that like Asperger, ADHD and people who claim they are allergic to gluten, there are way too many self diagnosed wannabes who decide they are different for odd reasons they may not understand themselves.

And our neo liberal snowflake culture accepts every single claim for fear of being labelled a bigot.

If you tell me you’re allergic to gluten... I know intellectually that you might be. I also know that statistically you’re lying and can’t spell celiac to save your life.

If you’re under 18 and tell me you’re trans and by coincidence a bunch of your peers have said they are trans... and you haven’t seen a psychiatrist to rule out other conditions? Yeah. Maybe you are. But it’s far more likely you’re not.

Until society starts gate keeping these self diagnosed conditions, we will continue to see increasing numbers of detransing people and trans suicides.

[hearvoices]

Human beings, no worse or better than I am. But you see I actually know some, unlike most people who have never met a trans person in their life but wanna throw giant stones at them. A good friend of mine has a 19 year old son that is currently transitioning, as they call it. Great kid. Worked for me for a while. About to enter university and go into the sciences. Better head on his shoulders than most 19 year olds. I was relieved that his father accepted all of this as well as he has because as he said, he wasn't ready for it. But he's been a good father in all of this. Hope it all turns out well for the kid.

[LZPanzer]

I've met about 6 trans people. My honest opinion is that they act, and do the same way/things that their original gender normally does, I've never seen them act or do things that their chosen gender does beyond outside appearances. It seems more like a thin vineer with no substance behind it, which is confusing to me.

The only behavior I've seen from some trans that I flatly dislike is on dating apps they register as there chosen gender but match with others of there original gender. I don't know why they can't check a box that says they are looking for gay relationships. I do not want to match with trans people, and there is no setting on my side that I can toggle. It's not a problem it's just an annoyance and seems inconsiderate on the trans person's part.

[lightbulb27]

They are people and have a right to their best life like everyone else.. to speak their truth, live, eat, love, create, etc... Were all different. I don't undestand them, and would hope to "fix" them... most don't want to be fixed... and don't see themselves broken, like all humans. Everyones view of themselves is correct to them.

They need to be conscious of not projecting their view of reality onto others. They should be respectful of all the other screwed up people who do associate to their dna genetics.
lastly, there must be a "generator" creating them, for they would burnout and expire quickly due to lack of ability to reproduce. Something seems jacked up in society/environment. Nature... always wins on this planet.

[Lionman95]

I don´t have a clear opinion on that. I don´t have much to them with them. If you call me transphobic for that so be it. In my experience people that claim to be non-binary make a bigger fuss about being male or female than any one else.
I don´t have much respect for a subject like gender studies but that´s a different topic because in my view is a subject of psychology.
I personally don´t have anything against them and they can live as they wish to. I´m not supporting LBGTQ and but I´m harrassing or protesting against it. There was a never where I really question about my sexuality concerning the choice like changing it so I´ll have a time trying to connect with them.

[Twinrova]

I don't like the prescriptions that come with me "accepting" their gender identity. I think that pronouns are based on sex; they always have been, because defining our pronouns on a sex-laden basis is useful. Transgendered people tell me that instead, pronouns (e. g. he, her, etc...) should be based on gender, not sex. But then this is problematic, because gender is a useless concept. Gender, no matter how I have heard it defined, is always useless and/or meaningless garbage, and to top it all off, no one can even agree on a single theory of gender. I'm told by people who want me to refer to trans people by their preferred pronouns that pronouns should be based on gender, but because it is such a dumb and confusing concept, I will have to disagree. I love trans people as much as anyone else, but I object to the gender ideology espoused by those in the trans community and far left.

Maybe you can show me why I'm wrong, but to be honest, I doubt it.

[Asker]

What

[Twinrova]

What is gender?

[Asker]

Gender doesn’t equal sex

[Twinrova]

Yes, sex is about your biological composition, whereas gender is about... what? What is gender?

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I think they are super awesome possum and I will stand up for any of them on here.. though in all fairness I will stand up for anyone under the rainbow.

[Asker]

Thank you 🙏🏼.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

No need to thank me! I should be thanking you for being another voice of reason on here.

[Asker]

I wish more people could be like you.

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Scary proposition. I like bad puns and if they were everywhere people may not laugh as much at mine.

[Asker]

Makes sense

[888theGreat]

yep, fruit cakes are many colorful

[Ez-Bri-Z]

I wouldn't trust you to not chew the crayons if I gave you something to color with

[007kingifrit]

this is a short sighted and emotional post. you don't see the harm they do to society, science, the rights of men and women, or general concepts of truth

you just think "just be kind" is a full and total worldview

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Yeah. Pretty sure "just be kind" was Jesus' whole message.

They do no harm to society, they take away no rights of men or women in fact they are even protected by those same rights because they are Americans.

[007kingifrit]

i don't think that was jesus' message because he harmed plenty of people

they DO do harm,

Brown University study shows children placed around trans are more likely to become trans www.telegraph.co.uk/.../

Trans prisoner rapes females in women’s prison www.theguardian.com/.../transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

Trans athletes are stealing scholarships from women by their natural male advantages in the physical world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BuV-s1SYLk

being kind is NOT a worldview because of the 2nd law of thermodynamics which states every action must inevitably hurt someone. if you keep trying to be kind above having actual values eventually you will find a situation where hurting one person guarantees helping another or vice versa. then what? then being kind can't be the answer because every option hurts someone

[Ez-Bri-Z]

Uh huh...

Maybe my Bible studies are out of date but im missing on what he did to harm anyone well besides a tree, tables and pigs.

Also I can post way more examples of people harming transgendered people. Whats the point? Humanity can be dicks at times? Cool I agree.

[ImSparkly]

Im cool with it, and have friends who are trans. I dont know if I can honestly call myself an 'ally,' but I am entirely in the accepting camp and dont give a $#! t about what bathroom or locker room they use.

[007kingifrit]

very hedonistic of you; asserting the easy way instead of thinking about how they hurt people. trans in the wrong bathroom do a lot of rape especially in female prisons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1vtpC_Q-Qk

being nice is not a worldview. becasue every action hurts someone eventually

[Asker]

@ImSparkly thank you for being cool with us.

[ImSparkly]

@007kingifrit So shouldn't the problem be with the males who are violent and manipulative that pretend to be female in order to gain access to these places to exercise violence?

[Sarahnah]

What if they aren't pretending? Even if they were pretending... how would you know? Who is to judge? Only they have the authority on whether or not they are trans.

[Asker]

I’m not pretending.

[ImSparkly]

@CoolTeen, I never meant to imply your pretending. I was referring to the joker who last going to jail for being violent who wanted to go to a women’s prison

[Asker]

@ImSparkly I was telling that to @007kingifrit.

[007kingifrit]

@ImSparkly we must always accept human nature as an immutable and unchanging truth.

in this case that means we must accept that if you give people a subjective thing that they can become or undo whenever they want... people are going to take advantage of it

thus we see that the problem can't be with the men abusing it (that is an unfixable faucet of humans) but with the concept of gender itself... gender is not real, it cannot be proven or disproven and it is always subjective, so it isn't real.

[007kingifrit]

@Sarahnah you are not qualified to judge who or what you are, you have a biased understanding of yourself by the very nature of being human. so we can never trust or respect someone's self asserted identity

[not_a_twinkie]

That they're people.
I certainly don't care what body you have and really I don't think it's anyone's business but your own, unless you plan on sleeping together in which a conversation about compatibility may be in order.
Honestly though I'm not about judging people for anything like that, if your an asshole you're an asshole and if you're not you're not, trans, gay, bi, local fucking cryptid I don't care.
Besides it would be awfully hypocritical of me to have a negative opinion