To my fellow black people, would you consider yourself a proud American?

[SmokinAces2000]

I think about this all the time and I won’t ever consider myself a proud American. Ever time I think about this I just think about that the only reason I’m even in America is because my ancestors were stolen from their homes to become slaves on a foreign land. I’ve recently took a 23 and me test so I could know my roots and I plan on visiting the African countries that I am from in the future. I’ve never really felt like America was my home and I might even think about moving to a country in Africa when I get older. But anyway I just want to hear the perspectives of some other black people and see if anyone would consider themselves a proud American

Updates

+1 y

If you are coming on here with the intention of not actually answering the question or just to say some racist bullshit please do not comment anything

[Daniela1982]

@smokinaces2000Oh my God, move back to Africa and stop bitching if you think that you would have any better life there. Just think, if your ancestors hadn't have been brought to America as slaves then you would probably be still living in Africa dealing with Apartheid and dressing up as a Zulu warrior for the tourists. You actually have more opportunities now because of your ancestor's misfortunes than you would otherwise. So stop your whining.

[SmokinAces2000]

Why did you even come on here with your racist ass take this shit somewhere else and you don’t have to tell me to go back to Africa because I probably will when I’m out of college and have enough money because fuck America. I was nice in my question but you pushed me, so FUCK AMERICA this is a shit country and I can’t wait to get the hell out of here

[Daniela1982]

Then go and STFU! I'm tired of you complaining about America when you have way more opportunities than any African Nation. Obviously you don't appreciate shit and just like to whine and moan. Want some cheese with that whine?

[Anonymous]

I don't consider myself a proud American and get no benefit living here
i'm already in the process of going to another country by marriage and I will keep my US citizenship only to be able to visit my family

[Celtero]

I'm not black.

I dunno man... It's possible that your Ancestors were here way before most white people's, and they might've struggled to have the same rights but here you are now and you have more in common with the average white American than you do with anyone else in the world.

[Dinosaursandanime65]

…. meh

[BIG-BLACK-Robinson]

Hell nah. This country enslaved my people for thousands of years and expect us to be proud of IT?

[IAMNathanael]

This country is only 244 years old. And slavery was abolished in 1865.

[SmokinAces2000]

They had slavery when America was being founded I’m not sure what you are getting at

[xxvagabondman]

The USA was one of the first nations to abolish slavery
TRUE, one of the last in the Western world
but one of the first in the WORLD in general

Most of the world would still practice slavery for nearly a century after the USA
EVEN many nations STILL practice it today

Seems like something to take pride in.

[SmokinAces2000]

Xxvagabondman why is it when ever black people talk about slavery white people bring up other countries. We don’t live in those other countries do we. We aren’t even talking about other countries we are talking about America. If you can’t have a good debate without bringing up outside forces than why are you debating.

[xxvagabondman]

Because its a historical reality of the age

1. Nearly every part of the world practiced slavery at the point of the creation of the USA
2. Much of USA territory outlawed slavery at its beginning (for example, New England, and the Northwest Territory)
It simply wasn't practiced nation wide, and there was also a division on the issue (Which led to the Civil War)
3. The USA was very early in ending slavery in comparison to much of the world :)

Why is it so offensive to recognize the facts?

[SmokinAces2000]

It’s not offensive it’s irrelevant what does the rest of the world have to do with slavery IN AMERICA

[xxvagabondman]

Largely because you bring up Slavery as if its unique to the USA
or if it was entirely accepted as a standard within a complex set of colonies (and then independent states) that has completely different ideas on the practice of Slavery

This comes from your historical ignorance

[SmokinAces2000]

I’m not historically ignorant you are just looking at different historical facts that have nothing to do with slavery in America

[xxvagabondman]

Of course it does haha
Because the United States was ahead of the curve in ending it
It was outlawed throughout much of the country during its foundation

Is that not something to show pride for?

So if Slavery is not Unique to the USA, and nearly every people in history practiced it
and the USA was relatively ahead of most of the world in abolishing it
would that not be something to show great pride in?

[SmokinAces2000]

So What you’re saying is I’m supposed to have American pride because they freed black people that “they” enslaved before some other countries 😂

[xxvagabondman]

When did I ever tell you to have pride?

I made arguments as to why some of your positions were false
and as to why I hold pride in the USA.

[MandyMaiden31]

Okay at this point dude direct your angry in a picket sign or I don't know see what difference you could make. But read about the entire history of American slavery. For example first slave owner was black himself. Bye

[xxvagabondman]

@MandyMaiden31 You are correct
Anthony Johnson

[MandyMaiden31]

Not racist or black now white I'm Mexican. Just a fan of human history. The slave trade was happening in africa itself, before this nation was founded. Then in the beginning, Africa willingly sold to them. Then shit got crazier from there. Also not proud. Pretty damn upset

[BIG-BLACK-Robinson]

Africa did not sell them. We were captured by the European invaders. You think being a slave was a choice

[MandyMaiden31]

@BIG-BLACK-Robinson at what point did I say that? And no I'm not gonna debate that. Africa was slaving people before America was established. You're correct yes, but it did not start with America.

[BIG-BLACK-Robinson]

White people started all this not black. What you smoking?

[MandyMaiden31]

@BIG-BLACK-Robinson really? Forget all about Egypt? Mongolia? So forth.. white people did not invent the shit

[TurboKid]

White people were just venturing out with ships and came across African kings willing to exchange slaves for things like firearms. The white people treated their slaves like shit for sure but you can't be blaming it all on them. That's victimhood as shit.

[TurboKid]

They still have slavery in Libya.

[MandyMaiden31]

@TurboKid that's the point for sure. It's historical fact

[SmokinAces2000]

TurboKid slavery in Africa was not the same first off their slaves were most of the time their own people and it was definitely not as severe as it was in America. Their slavery was basically a class in society which is nothing like slavery in America. America could have made slaves out of their own people but they decided to travel to a whole different continent to grab some black people to become slaves

[MandyMaiden31]

can we throw in some reliable resources for that information. I will read it. I'm not a fan if ignorance either

[TurboKid]

I don't want to divert the blame of white Americans for slavery for sure. I just want some acknowledgment of some shared responsibility. I am from Japan. We bombed Pearl Harbor in response to a trade embargo and possibly some overambitious conquests to take over the world. Some of my family over in the US were put in internment camps. We got atom-bombed. One of my aunts starved to death. I do not hold grudge against Americans. We were under a backward emperor rule back then. We were given propaganda that Americans would rape and kill Japanese families. That is how you get the motivation behind the Japanese Kamikaze pilot. But history is history. I think Japan set an example of how to move on from history. I wish other people would do the same.

[doopayo]

@BIG-BLACK-Robinson yep, you explained it perfectly! Last time I checked their where zero Africans at that Berlin conference when Europe was splitting up parts of Africa to see who would colonize what?

The African people did have slavery but it was indentured servants, war captures, etc. none where slaves cause if their race or the color of skin. Non of the African kings and queens at the time had any idea of the horrors European whites were capable of, therefor Africa cannot and will not be condemned for the slavery of its people.

Slavery based off the color of ones skin was a lifelong sentence in America.

[doopayo]

@TurboKid thankyou sm for sharing. I remember reading a book on that but school never taught me about that which is messed up. America loves to erase history or rewrite history that doesn’t make them look good or decent

[TurboKid]

@doopayo All countries erase and revise history as I've seen it. But I don't see why that has to prevent you, me, @big-black-robinson, and @MandyMaiden31 from having some beers and working things out and maybe becoming the best of friends. Present and future, you know, moving forward.

[TurboKid]

And @SmokinAces2000. My bad for missing you in the convo! Cheers, buddy! This is fucking stupid though in my opinion that we are fighting over history. I'm reminded of an ex-girlfriend who remembered shit I did like a whole year ago and making a big deal out of it.

[SmokinAces2000]

TurboKid easier said then done you want to know why I can’t get over slavery or what America has done because: slavery was 200 years ago, lynchings were rampant 60 years ago, travon Martin was 9 years ago, and George Floyd was 1 year ago. None of those events were long ago at all and I find it really ignorant for Americans to just expect the majority of black people to be proud of America and to get over all these things. I mean did you know that lynchings are still not a federal crime, but black people should stop talking smh it’s crazy really.

[MandyMaiden31]

@TurboKid that just turns into a whole other coversation. Im allergic to alcohol and thus smoke weed 😂

[doopayo]

@SmokinAces2000 don’t forget how they racially profiled us and follow us three stores despite the fact that white peoples statistically shop lift the most? They can’t even justify their ignorance with facts.

Or how just a few years ago a black girl played Annie and people got mad just because the girl was black?

[TurboKid]

Let's all smoke some weed then! Even better. No one ever gets into a fight to my knowledge on weed. It's peace. They called it peace-pipe for a reason as I see it.

[TurboKid]

@SmokinAces2000 But you know, black incarceration and unemployment didn't skyrocket until the 1960s. My interpretation is that welfare reforms and then later, just as a doubly-whammy, a very perverse kind of war on drugs that targetted the projects destroyed much of the black family. For all the damage that slavery has done, I cannot see the destruction of the black family and community quite as intense as what seemed to happen in the 60s and beyond. Slavery could not destroy the unity and beauty of the black community and family as I see it. Something else destroyed it.

[SmokinAces2000]

White people are the ones that brought drugs over here black people didn’t have access to boats and planes back then how do you think the drugs got here in the first place

[TurboKid]

@SmokinAces2000 I protest the war on drugs in general. Take Harry J. Anslinger. He was a big part of starting the war on drugs and there's no doubt he was a racist targeting black people. He's a bonafide white demon of a man. But you know, if we say "white people", that's a damned broad category. There are Irish people in Scotland who aren't seen as real whites. They're targets of violence and verbal assaults. And Irish-Americans are some of the poorest Americans out there as far as ancestral background. They weren't slave owners. They were people who were starving because they didn't have enough potatoes from my crude reading of history.

That's why we should get along as I see it. And smoke some of Mandy's weed. This race-fighting identity politics shit is bullshit. How are we supposed to build a better future, in general, when we don't put the past aside?

[SmokinAces2000]

TurboKid there is no putting the past aside cause this shit is still happening every time black people feel comfortable some bullshit happens that messes all that up like George Floyd for example. And all of the ignorant white keyboard warriors that have nothing better to do then to spout out racist nonsense. The fact that people are pushing back on a bill to make lynching a federal crime already says a lot about where black people stand in this country

[MandyMaiden31]

Well, I'm out now until Aces does some research. have a great day

[TurboKid]

@SmokinAces2000 I'm always trying to navigate the proper balance between sensitivity and tough love with all people but take Indo-Americans. They weren't even allowed citizenship until around the 1940s. Now they conquer Silicon Valley and are the wealthiest ethnicity in the US. I'm not trying to deny past grievances. I'd be perfectly happy to see a black man or woman own Apple next. My blunt opinion though is that maybe the biggest thing holding some black people back these days is the past. Jews got the holocaust and people like Henry Ford. Asians got things like internment camps and being denied citizenship. I do not dare compare such struggles to what black people face. I'm just saying that maybe the best thing to do is move on. Take over some industry and laugh yourself to the bank.

[TurboKid]

@SmokinAces2000 Women, you know. As both men the women say we enslaved them, treated them so unfairly, that we imposed the patriarchy on them. Maybe. But what about now? Do they want to hold what our ancestors did to us? Because I'll never be innocent to a feminist like that. She'll hold me guilty for everything men have ever done in history.

[MandyMaiden31]

@TurboKid as a woman, im gonna say i hate what they made feminsim into its ridiculous

[xxvagabondman]

haha, Honestly I dont blame you
Usually its either lying about history, the unwillingness to accept accountability, the mischaracterization of statistics

It becomes pointless to argue, because most of the time they are clueless on how to use these issues
"African Slavery was different, because it wasn't based on race"
Yet, most Tribal conflicts were based upon tribal and ethnic differences? Slavery was simply a spoil of war, and a sign of domination.

"Blacks are less likely to commit crimes than Whites"
Usually stems from a mischaracterization of government statistics, that show that show MOST crimes being committed by the White community (especially more minor crimes). Like Theft, or Larceny.. Etc
Blacks making up only around 30%+ of most Minor offenses, but also over 50% of major offenses (like murder)
Yet anyone who understands statistics (and most news pundits dont) would recognize that in a scenario like the following
where the Uniform Crime Report states that where Larceny and Theft were...
66% by White
30% by Black

Many would interpret this falsely as being "disproportionately MORE White"
When in reality the White statistic is proportionately correct for their population size (60% to 75%) and the Black number is more than twice the Black population (13%)

the list goes on
but it gets pretty nasty with how they outright lie
mischaracterize information
and ultimately push the "victim" mentality where they lack any accountability.

[SmokinAces2000]

TurboKid you keep talking about people being up the past but that’s the thing it’s gotten better but don’t mistake better for perfect and that’s what a lot of Americans do, they think everything is peachy now when in reality it’s not

[TurboKid]

I'm not too ignorant about racism and conflicts. I've been denied entry into establishments because of my race in parts of the world. I'm just a bit worried about the American way of fighting that right now. I'm worried that it is going to make things worse.

[xxvagabondman]

@TurboKid You are correct
the American standard of fighting "Racism" right now only breeds more hate
and sadly people are falling for it

Instead of preaching unity, we are preaching hatred, division, segregation

and ultimately MOST of the people leading the fight tend to be ignorant of the details anyways
not to mention the various attempts of pushing it down peoples throats everywhere (which had led to a lot of outcry, and things like CRT being banned in certain places).

Its sadly nonsensical
and goes against the very principles of what MLK preached 60 years ago
Most people dont recognize it

[xxvagabondman]

MandyMaiden31
I already agree with your position on current Feminism
its less about equality, and more about "I HATE MEN!!! DIEE!!"

that seems to be the common trend in most of these movements
we are teaching people to hate... to judge people on the basis of race.. sex... sexuality..
your victim status makes you who you are..
etc

Its nonsense.

Just like a lot of the people in this conversation debating about history... or crime.. etc
its all nonsense.. and shows the great ignorance that has developed in the west.

[TurboKid]

@MandyMaiden31 You sound cool AF if I can do a side comment. Cheers!

[SmokinAces2000]

LOL I just realized why am I even going back and forth with you guys I don’t even know why you came on this question, I was asking other black people if they were proud Americans or not. You guys aren’t contributing much to the question that I asked

[TurboKid]

Let's just have some drinks and smoke some weed. I'm talking lots but I don't know shit. Big respect though. This is a good beer crowd.

[xxvagabondman]

I think what you meant to say is that we aren't contributing the answers you want to hear.

Seems to be a common trend in todays society.

[SmokinAces2000]

Xxvagabondman LOL I’m going to assume that you aren’t black so why would you come onto a question asking if black people are proud Americans. It’s not about what I want to hear it’s about you not contributing to the question since you are not black, answering the question that I asked. Your answers actually have nothing to do with the original question that I asked so I don’t know why you decided to click on this while you were scrolling

[xxvagabondman]

That tends to be the problem right?
if I give a certain answer, I can't be black

because clearly Black people all think alike.

[SmokinAces2000]

No I didn’t say that the reason I think that you aren’t black is because if you were you would have answered the question that I initially asked you haven’t even put down an option you are just commenting on other peoples opinions so that’s my basis on thinking that you are not black. Has nothing to do with your opinions I’ve seen plenty of black people with the same opinions as you

[xxvagabondman]

^ Then I think maybe you should be a bit more introspective
instead of making assumptions about peoples races
and preaching a lot of nonsense that has no real basis in reality

and start treating individuals, as individuals?

[TurboKid]

@xxvagabondman I was just checking out cuz I drank like 14 chu-his and I'm about to vomit. :-D I will revisit later!

[SmokinAces2000]

Xxvagabondman are you black?

[MandyMaiden31]

So you have to be full blood black to comment or what?

[xxvagabondman]

@MandyMaiden31

I think the rule is that Black voices matter on all topics
White voices matter on none
and Asian/Hispanic voices matter depending on the topic

[xxvagabondman]

Notice how your argument is nonexistent now?
"Are you black" is the only reply you have

an example of what is wrong with society today.

[SmokinAces2000]

MandyMaiden31 well considering that my question was clearly directed towards black people my intent was to hear black peoples opinion not go back and forth with all of you

[SmokinAces2000]

Xxvagabondman I could go on but I don’t feel like debating anymore so I just asked you a simple question but if you don’t want to answer it okay idrc

[xxvagabondman]

okay then haha

[MandyMaiden31]

Well the issue with this is you're going off first my picture, clearly not black then my saying it. But you have no idea of my blood line as we'll. A lot of mix and match. want a black person opinion. Let me get off work and pass the phone to my brother

[SmokinAces2000]

MandyMaiden31 you literally said you were Mexican so I didn’t assume anything there and you also didn’t even answer the question either so what you wrote wether you like it or not is irrelevant to the topic

[MandyMaiden31]

I am yes. my brother n sister are black. or half. or that don't count

[TurboKid]

My bad. I just vomited in the toilet. You guys like 80s stuff? I keep coming back to this song. You gotta listen at least 45 secs because that's when it becomes badass:
youtu.be/Y8DekFFCE5c?list=FLd0b6KNzGmursROBKApR10A

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman just no. You’re a prime example of how white people think they’re being oppressed just because certain spaces aren’t for them. He clearly stated he wanted black peoples opinion on the subject and here you are in steering your racist ass opinions trying to cry racism cause he said he didn’t need your opinion if you aren’t black?

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo ^ ah yes!
yet another person assuming my race
Thank You

[MandyMaiden31]

I'll ask them then. I'll update

[doopayo]

@SmokinAces2000 I mean, Mexican is just an ethnic background it doesn’t equal race because you can be any race and Mexican ^

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman no one assumed your race 😐

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo You literally just made an assumption in your previous reply

[MandyMaiden31]

@xxvagabondman its still going lol😂

[doopayo]

I made a comparison

[xxvagabondman]

@MandyMaiden31

Literally, if you hold a different perspective
or don't hold some victim card
you can't be black

Wanna talk about oppression
imagine having to think a certain way because of your skin color
and if you dont... "you ain't black"

its insane.

[BIG-BLACK-Robinson]

You Hispanic people are basically white. That’s why you defending white people in slavery @MandyMaiden31

[SmokinAces2000]

xxvagabondman aren’t you the one not stating your race. Since you want to educate people why don’t you state your race so I don’t assume in the future okay does that sound good huh

[MandyMaiden31]

@BIG-BLACK-Robinson god please read.

[xxvagabondman]

@MandyMaiden31

^ see Big Black Robinson there
Now you are White
just like Asians (because they are successful) are also White

This is major reason why the Black community fails.

[xxvagabondman]

I think I made my race pretty clear a few times here.
However, I also stated it didn't really matter to the topic we were discussing.

[doopayo]

@xxvagavondman bruh, “I made my race clear a few times here” but you complain about people assuming your race 💀

[SmokinAces2000]

xxvagabondman actually it does matter because this question was targeted towards black peoples opinions and it’s not racist for me as a black man to wonder what other black peoples opinions are and also you just contradicted yourself if certain people of a race won’t all have the same opinions how could you have made it clear what your race is?

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo Yes, because ultimately you are showing your racism very clearly.

Not only assuming race on the basis of ideology
but also ripping away the voices from other people

Apparently I can't be Black, because I disagree with the "Black narrative" that makes everyone Black?
This is destroying the community
the Victimhood is destroying the community
TAKE accountability... be responsible... LEARN to judge people on the basis of the individual and not on the color of their skin

its insane what "equality" is pushed as these days
be it in feminism, or the basics of CRT
its nonsense.
it doesn't help anyone
and it sure as hell doesn't help the black community

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman and now you’re opening your mouth talking about how you hate people thinking they’re oppressed and victim cards. That’s what you aren’t going to do, if you want to actually have a beneficial convo about white supremacy rather than denying it off the bat than that’s one thing but what you’re doing right now is divisive.

You’re just stating stuff that’s completely off topic to try to piss people off and suite your own narrative

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman ah yes, because I said you couldn’t be black. I remember that time when I said you weren’t black

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo Oh yes!
because me "ignoring White Supremacy"
is the entire point of this conversation?

[doopayo]

The hypocrisy is real. You’re straight up making stuff up at this point? Do you not see how this might come off as a little silly? I never said you were white, I compared how you were acting to how some white people will act victimized in situations where they feel not included

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo I mean, You only have to look at your reply to me only minutes ago?
You have have both been so concerned about my race
that youve both largely ignored any topic brought up.

THIS is a weakness in our community.
Us vs Them mentalities serve no one.

[doopayo]

@zxvagabondman this thread wasn’t made for you. It was asking black people if they consider themselves Americans my guy?

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo
It was asking black people if consider yourself a proud American

Which I have highlighted my position on within these comments (you apparently have decided to largely ignore?)

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman I think you’re confusing me with the other guy. I literally just joined this thread and said a few things about you. Non of which was saying your race

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman I didn’t see your comments on it. All I see where comments about feminism and complaining about black people thinking they’re victimized. All of which are deflecting the actual topic

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo "just no. You’re a prime example of how white people think they’re being oppressed just because certain spaces aren’t for them. "
--- First you assume I am White, and push a largely racist narrative against White people

"He clearly stated he wanted black peoples opinion on the subject and here you are in steering your racist ass opinions trying to cry racism cause he said he didn’t need your opinion if you aren’t black?"

---- Then you clearly assume I am not Black, and therefore my opinion is not needed

This is why the Black community continues to fail

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo Oh no! don't walk this back now! :)
Just because you are embarrassed.

Actually attempt to read all the comments I've had in this posted question (I've commented in 2 separate places)
Instead of making assumptions.. or assuming that I am a spoiler of some sort
OR attempting to limit my ability to make comments on a post.. where either I agree or disagree with certain elements of their positions.

[doopayo]

I said it was a comparison? And non of that was racist, it was what I’ve experienced and a lot of other black people which is why I shared it.

And I never assumed you weren’t black. I was explaining that you should only be talking about how you as a black people think you’re American or don’t think you’re American or your take on that topic.

And your last comment was just divisive once again. Can we actually just have a normal constructive conversation now, cause we’re going back and fourth doing nothing.

None of this is productive

[SmokinAces2000]

Xxvagabondman maybe the reason the black community continues to fail is cause there are people like you who insist on trying to ignore situations and hoping that they go away and instead of coming up with solutions you just put all the blame on the black communities

[doopayo]

I’m not embarrassed, you’re being very done divisive in this conversation. You’re an adult and I’d expect better. That’s how a child would argue?

Instead you can explain why you think that you’re making this thread about you instead of the actual topic?

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo SO maybe you should learn to be a bit introspective
in how YOU hold Racist concepts against others...
ASSUME race on the basis of ideology (as if its some sort of mob mentality)
SILENCE voices on the assumptions of perceived race
and ASSUME racism on the basis of difference of opinions
while all the time PREACHING mischaracterizations of statistics, historical fallacies.. to better
CONFIRM your own desire of victimhood?
instead of having ACCOUNTABILITY... of your own life

Our community LACKS this
and is more than happy to blame WHITE people
for issues PARENTS should be helping.
for issues FAMILIES should be helping
for issues SCHOOLS should be addressing

But we are more interested in bitching about Victimhood
while LATINOS have surpassed us
while Asians outperform everyone else

Because they are less interested in bitching about WHITE people

Grow up

[doopayo]

@SmokinAces2000 exactly

[xxvagabondman]

I think you gave a perfect example a problem in the community
by immediately resorting to racist narratives

We can be accountable for ourselves and successful (plenty have)
but far too many are driven down by this narrative of "inevitable" failure that is pushed by plenty of Black grifters, and Whites who are more than happy to take our votes.

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo OH yes!
of course
we can have a constructive conversation now

I mean, only been asking for that since the beginning
while you both were assuming my race
and demanding I pull out my Black card

Jesus Christ people...

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman you’re very aggressive and angry? Maybe tile the anger down, I’m just voicing my opinion, people like you are the ones holding the black community back. So quick to defend the white man, for what reason?

What has the white man done for you other than stick people that look like you into a corrupt racist prison system, incarcerate y’all in prisons during the war on drugs for no reason, dehumanize you till this day?

You’re fighting the wrong battle

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo Oh Yes
im such a child in the way I've argued.. and tried to bring some common sense to this discussion
while you were interested in me pulling out my race card

and ultimately spreading hatred towards white people?
and attempting to silence someone who was hispanic?

seriously?

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo What have black people done for themselves
other than commit the highest rates of murder, larceny, theft, robbery... Etc
suffer the highest rates of fatherless homes
gang violence? and ultimately degradation of society through making people like Cardi B the posterchild of the community.. instead of educated minds like Thomas Sowell
and blame those crime rates on the White man?

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman I have plenty of rich black aunts, who still gotta deal with the fact that they’re black and a women because problems like sexism and racism are still very much prevalent till this day. Ignoring them isn’t going to solve any issues, nor is getting rich going to solve the issue.

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo and please dont go down the road of "You are being so aggressive, and childish, and not being an adult"

When you literally started a reply accusing me of being a racist

BE introspective.

Something our people can USE

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman I can’t argue statistics if you don’t site where you got them

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman I never said you were racist? I personally think your ideas are fucked but that’s about it. Never once in this thread referred to you as racist

[doopayo]

Saying someone’s opinions are racist vs saying they’re racist are two different things

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo You can find everything about the disproportionate amount of Black crime
through the FBI Uniform Crime Report
or the Justice Bureau National Crime Victimization Survey
or the Southern Law Poverty Center research on Hate Crimes

where the Black community is disproportionate in
1. amount of hate groups
2. amount of hate crimes
3. amount of minor and major crimes

and that doesn't even include unsolved cases in places like Chicago

Its a very well known detail.

You can't both argue a position of "our cities are shit cause of white people"
and then IGNORE black accountability for their own actions in causing that problem.

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo

You started this conversation with
"just no. You’re a prime example of how white people think they’re being oppressed just because certain spaces aren’t for them. He clearly stated he wanted black peoples opinion on the subject and here you are in steering your racist ass opinions trying to cry racism cause he said he didn’t need your opinion if you aren’t black?"

So save the victim mentality
accept responsibility.
you said what you said

[doopayo]

@ccvagabondman no, I want you to dead ass send the statistics? Send the most recent ones and than I’ll talk

[SmokinAces2000]

Xxvagabondman a lot of the problems in black communities can actually be traced to racist things that have been done in the past

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo
I am not a 3xper
but I have already highlight where those statistics can be found

[MandyMaiden31]

Okay real quick correction, he stated proud americans. they're still americans

[doopayo]

@SmokinAces2000 not to mention the way overblown statistics on crime and the fact that most crime is due to proximity, not race like “black on black crime” isn’t a thing.

It’s just crime. And factors like poverty, which disproportionately effects black and brown communities is why “black people have a lot of crime” not because of the narrative that vagabondman is secretly trying to push which is the one that black people are super violent

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo When did I ever say Black people were super violent?
Or Black people were somehow innately most likely to do it

[doopayo]

@xxvagavondman you didn’t, ima aware of fbi statistics but I need the specific year or it’s useless if you just highlight fbi crime statistics

[xxvagabondman]

@SmokinAces2000
When did I ever make such a statement or denial?
The issue is blaming White people for every issue in the Black community, when most of these issues are self created
through culture... through a cycle of victimhood

Hispanics have surpassed us for a reason
Asians are FAR ahead of everyone else

Yet we are suppose to believe that "white supremacy" is the basis of all ills
to the point that not long ago.. SOME people in this comment were saying @MandyMaiden31 was basically White?
Might as well call as Asians White as well

Because failure surely can't be due to our own incompetence.. and unwillingness to accept responsibility?

[doopayo]

@xxvagabondman that’s the agenda that the whole narrative that you and people with your beliefs try to push whenever you bring up crime statistics in the black community. You almost always use it to deny institutionalized racism, and use it to deflect black issues. Y’all almost never have solutions for how to solve these problems because y’all aren’t actively looking for solutions, you’re looking to demonize the black community and make them appear violent or more violent.

Which is the agenda hidden behind people that don’t read those statistics and data correctly

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID I WAS SECRETLY TRYING TO PUSH IT
and you are acting as if these reports are impossible to find (they are yearly reported)
THEY will always show the exact same thing
Blacks disproportionately at fault for nearly every type of crime

hahahaha

[SmokinAces2000]

xxvagabondman almost any problem plaguing the black community I can give you an explanation as to why that’s happening give me a list and I guarantee I can explain most if not all of them

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo Oh, on the contrary.
Build up family structures
end the standard of victimhood
teach black children they can succeed (instead will always fail because of white people)

its an EASY process

Asians have done it
Hispanics are clearly working through it currently

The Black community is incapable of jumping through this hurdle
it depends on US
not White people.

[doopayo]

You literally laugh at the black community having higher crime? Yet you’re trying to say you aren’t pushing a narrative? Dude, that’s hypocrisy.

You don’t care, you have no solution to the problem you’re bringing up, the reason why your problem exists is because “black people live in victim hood” ?

Dude, you’re loaded with a whole agenda. No

[xxvagabondman]

@doopayo Dude
I just gave you some examples of how you could
and Dude
I just laughed at how ridiculous you are being and your open denial of statements you just made on record
you know Dude?

[MandyMaiden31]

@doopayo okay. Racism is fucked up. thats everywhere. As long as humans have the ability to judge. Certain dicks will always be, but stop generalizing white and black

[xxvagabondman]

@MandyMaiden31
Precisely
and one of the major points I've been trying to push here.

[TurboKid]

The solution is... dance-dance-dance-dancedancedance. We can all just dance, dance, dance-dance-dancedance. Everyone got complex issues. Society got complex issues. Some people have personal issues like rape and molestation. But you wanna know how to fix them? You just dance-dance-dancedancedance.
https://youtu.be/eHnGwDy2y6s

[MandyMaiden31]

@TurboKid yaasss

[SmokinAces2000]

Xxvagabondman you keep saying that the Asian and Hispanic communities have succeeded, but Asian and Hispanic people emigrate to America for the sole purpose of succeeding and that’s passed down black people have been here long before Asian and Hispanic people and have had plenty of chances to better themselves but historically every time a black person tried they were stoped for example back in slavery, if a slave even picked up a book and their master saw them they would be beaten to a pulp and even after slavery just like Black Wall Street. Black people were thriving, they had business, hospitals, and all sorts of stuff but then when white people found out how good they were doing guess what they did, they burned all of it to the ground on the sole purpose that black people were thriving. So when black people realized that every time they tried to succeed they were going to be shut down they decided not to try at all and things like that are passed down through generations, it’s kinda like let’s say a kid at school playing with blocks and every time they would build the perfect skyscraper, the school bully would come and knock it down, every day the kid builds that same amazing skyscraper just to have that same bully knock it down eventually the kid would just give up because he knows once he tries to build that skyscraper again the bully would just be waiting to knock it over. Now imagine that on a large scale affecting thousands of people. And I’m not saying that black people can't succeed today because you see that all the time but when you grow up in an environment where all you don’t see many black billionaires that aren’t athletes or in entertainment then that can deter you from really making something out of yourself I mean seriously when is the last time you saw a black billionaire that was a business person or something of that sort. I was lucky enough to be born to parents that taught me that I can succeed if I really try hard but sadly many black people

[SmokinAces2000]

Don’t have that and there are things that black people are at fault for but a majority of it is on what white people have done in the past

( I ran out of room so I had to write two posts)

[MandyMaiden31]

I can legit name you approx 13 American black billionaires. Guess why. Google something and read

[TurboKid]

Asian billionaires are pretty tough. Do okay on average but not so good at taking over the world.

[SmokinAces2000]

MandyMaiden31 you clearly didn’t read the whole thing if that’s all you got out of it and I said black billionaires that aren’t athletes or people in the media and I before you say it I know that there are black business people who are billionaires but like i said there are not many and you rarely hear about them

[MandyMaiden31]

Show me those numbers from a reliable source... right now or go and actually read something.. You keep assuming. Still said nothing about America first slave owner himself being fucking black. wander his opinion. Look the that shit up too. I legit am just killing time at work. But now you're attempting to kill peoples brain cells.

[SmokinAces2000]

MandyMaiden31 I have been looking things up since this conversation started 😂 you just want to come up with any excuse to make everything black peoples fault like a lot of republicans

[MandyMaiden31]

Then show me your numbers. I'm waiting

[MandyMaiden31]

You're literally putting down black people's accomplishments thus far. I'm telling you that you're ass just ain't driven.

[SmokinAces2000]

MandyMaiden31 I’m actually currently in college studying criminal justice and African studies and I plan on going to law school when I graduate so I would say that I’m pretty driven but thanks for the concern 😊

[MandyMaiden31]

All I want from you is the reliable source links to your numbers. You could end this real quick

[MandyMaiden31]

Then why are you not acknowledgeing the community accomplishments? You keep making it seem like its 1 in a million. It's not

[SmokinAces2000]

MandyMaiden31 if you actually read everything I wrote instead of picking and choosing what you listened to I clearly said that there are successful black people but unfortunately a lot of black people don’t have the mindset to go out and accomplish things and that’s a result of racist things that have happened in the past. It’s like debating a brick wall so believe what you want, pick things to fit your narrative, and have a nice life I guess

[MandyMaiden31]

Wow still no reliable resources that are accredited. Sad. and thank you I do. I'll get my black family on here after work lol

[Question_091]

I would just consider myself as an American. I may be black, but I personally isolate myself from my racial backgrounds, just to be my own person.

[Anonymous]

Well I’m an Asian American I feel American but in my own way not the same ways as white Americans.

[White_Boy_506]

I know many black people who love our country. You don’t speak for everybody.

[SmokinAces2000]

That’s why the hell I asked when did I say I spoke for everyone I asked if they are didn’t I I’ve seen you on other questions you clearly came over here to start shit