just make it a standard 18 across the U. S it should be a federal amendment even. Age of consent laws are wayy complex and confusing as it is keeping it at the state level
And most of the people that make the age of consent laws are just disgusting old men that want to sleep with young girls. It doesn't take into account human pyscology/biolgy which tons of research shows that humans aren't fully developed mentally until around 20-21, which is literally why the drinking age is 21 but they don't do the same for age of consent?
ehh i struggle to accept raising it higher because it might unnecessarily lead to more incarcerations and overcrowding of our already over crowded jails. look up romeo and Juliet laws for why this is a potential problem for consensual sex between people of similar ages but on is over and the other is under the age of consent.
lets just have a standard 18 or older and thats it.
The drinking age is 21 because society wanted to try and keep as many young drivers sober as possible so they wouldn't be killing people while DUI. Trying to keep a 17-18 yo from having sex with poorly constructed laws would create more problems than it solves.
Good luck getting 2/3 of the states to ratify a proposed Amendment, half the population doesn’t know what gender it is to begin with or what bathroom to use.
It is also an uphill battle when we have a movie industry that is allowed to produce movies like Pretty Baby, Lolita and American Beauty just to name a few from the last 40 years or so. our violent crimes are at record highs, again Hollywood with movies like Scarface, My Bloody Valentine, I know What You Did Last Summer, glorifying murder, torture, rape, murder for hire. Until you get the agencies that are influencing society as a whole to adhere to a more wholesome lineup, there will be no change.
@rcljr I agree with your views on Hollywood. I watched 2 of the adaptations of Lolita after reading the book, I didn’t like how Hollywood sexualized loe by aging her up to make it seem better and make humbert look like less of a pedo. It takes away from the entire message the author was trying to give in the first place
Why can't you spell? also your reasoning is entirely in conjecture and without reason, your entire argument is emotionally motivated and its easy to see that, I don't believe there is a problem with current consent laws.
Humans may not be fully developed until the ages of 20-21, but that does not mean they are entirely incompetent until then, you fool.
@theoracle “your entire argument is emotionally motivated” every argument ever made in history is emotionally motivated in one way or another, that doesn’t invalidate anything at all. Instead if you wanted to critique me if you don’t agree you could’ve simply explained what about my argument you don’t agree with rather than vaguely saying my argument has no reason.
I never claimed that humans are entirely incompetent before 20-21, before 20-21 your prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed. This part of the brain is responsible for curbing impulse.
I do get emotional on these topic because I have a deep hatred for pedophiles as family and friends of mine have been effected by them but my argument does have actual science to back it up
No, I understand why people would be concerned about the age of consent, but my concern is that the radical feminists will start having a field day with it and use it to justify a different standard of law for men and for women.
@doopayo We already have problems with high school kids creating "kiddie porn". Whenever a girl your age sends naked pics to anyone they are creating child pornography on their phone and transmitting child pornography to other peoples phones. By strict letter of the law, the girl who took the pic of herself and transmitted it should be arrested, charged with a felony, and placed on the sex offender registry. Also, whoever she sent the picture to (assuming they did not immediately delete and/or report it) should, by law, also be charged with possession of child pornograhpy, arrested, charged with a felony, and placed on the sex offender registry.
Can you see the scope of the problem?
I don't have a problem with raising the age of consent, BUT, there needs to be some common sense applied.
@KrakenAttackin I hear what you’re saying but I also think that kids should at least be taught these things. No one tells teens if they took nudes they’re making child p* because it’s taboo so no one says anything
I knew a couple who were married when they were thirteen and fourteen CONSENSUALLY might I add they were married for 70 happy golden years and loved each other very much
I really do not know the case study was to help start a dialogue it’s a complicated situation if people extremely close in age. Cultures, family traditions, emotional maturity and religious beliefs MUST be duly considered by ALL INVOLVED
Oh yeah sure, Try telling a bunch of horny college students they aren't allowed to have sex until they are 25. Let's see how well that works out for you.
I think what should be asking is why should it be higher then? Lets thing about it for a second 1. Pedophilia by definition is in regards to people who are attracted to those who have yet to hit puberty, your argument is that doing so would help to combat pedophiles for people who are out of high school but they would be well pass the stage where it would be considered pedophilia at all. 2. You imply that people would somehow be harder to manipulate after the age of 21, but i think twitter and modern day discourse has proven that gullibility and manipulation has no age limit, making the gesture largely pointless. and 3. If i had a dollar for every high school girl who bragged about secretly dating college students i'd be a very rich man.
Honestly this suggestion is based largely on ignorance and moral grandstanding not for the fact that it's wrong or anything of the sort but rather doing so would change literally nothing.
Your argument is based off of a misinterpretation of my argument, I would respond but there's nothing to say since your points are stuff I never even argued to begin with?
My point is exactly what I just said 🤦🏽♀️ I’m not obligated to respond to argument, and I choose to not respond to arguments that just misinterpret my words than it already started unproductive and is probably going to end that way
I’m not arguing with someone who’s already began the argument misinterpreting my argument, simple as that. I have nothing to argue since the stuff you argued isn’t even my position in the first place. I left it vague so people could explain to me what they think
No you left it vague because it was meant to be disingenuous from the start as you can just say anybody who doesn't agree with you or says the AoC is fine is a pedo for disagreeing with you.
Ok then answer me this. If i said that the Age of consent should NOT be increased and is fine as is, would you or would you not label me as a pedophile just by virtue of being twice as old as you?
Brain development stops at 25 by the way. If we are going to make whole new set of laws based on the age of consent being at 25 which are probably not going to change anything then I wouldn't bother with raising it. Would be just wasting time.
Life XP. You gain it as you get older. maturity has very little to do with brain development after you have after you have reached 16-17. After that your personal exp is the thing that makes you more mature. I am not waiting til 25 to be of age of consent. I am fine with 18 which is where I live.
I think it should be uniformly 18 in every state. 20-21 is a bit old. Look, if someone is old enough to die for the country, they should be old enough to have sex.
I thought it is 25 ? Tbh dating someone significantly younger than you is creepy 50 year old dating 30 year old is creepy and yes I am judging you for it
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Personally I don't like dating anyone more than 5 year older while same age is preference
Most people are too stupid to follow realistic guidelines on lifestyle choices, and the rare exceptions who would don't need the law, as they already decided to wait longer than most on their own.
When will people realize that laws do not cure stupidity?
@TheSpaceGnome yup. laws are bad parents who say "don't do this, don't do that". they don't help understanding why you shouldn't do those things. if people understand why, they will be smart enough not to do it. but the understanding is necessary... but the law isn't even taught in regular school education. so how can we expect people to follow the law?
Yeah the best we can do is sex ed, but even then the dumbest of the bunch will not understand and still won't listen, and even sex ed gets things wrong atm (like birth control effectiveness)
@TheSpaceGnome i personally think that we should stop demonizing sex and stop treating it as bad or evil or immoral. we should focus more on what should be given before you decide to have sex. cause if we make sure to get that across, that would help those that would do it either way to be more responsible about it.
@TheSpaceGnome yeah but if you stop giving kids information that intentionally tries to push them in one direction, they will be stubborn and do their own thing. At that age, they're smart enough to see you're messing with them but not smart enough to really understand the consequences.
still seems to be a good 50% of people below the age of consent that have sex. i was exaggerating with my 12 and 13 year olds. i know those are outliers. i didn't know there was an actual downward trent recently. i'm curious what causes this. cause i don't think that the sex education has gotten any better. what do you think?
and also what is rising the age of consent supposed to do? i don't get that.
@doopayo Seeing as nearly everyone I've met who is in their mid to late teens already lost their virginity to someone, I'm going to call that statistic out as misinformation.
I honestly don't think you could do a statistic on that since most people lie to adults about that sort of thing most of the time.
Yes definitely. Here in my country it's 15. I think it should be at least 18. I don't think 15 year olds fully understand the consequences of their actions.
Yes. Age of consent is 16 where I’m from and I’m TERRIFIED to turn that age because I already have so many creepy dudes in my DM’s waiting for me to turn that age so they can sexualize me. I just wanna stay young forever 😭
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just make it a standard 18 across the U. S it should be a federal amendment even. Age of consent laws are wayy complex and confusing as it is keeping it at the state level
And most of the people that make the age of consent laws are just disgusting old men that want to sleep with young girls. It doesn't take into account human pyscology/biolgy which tons of research shows that humans aren't fully developed mentally until around 20-21, which is literally why the drinking age is 21 but they don't do the same for age of consent?
ehh i struggle to accept raising it higher because it might unnecessarily lead to more incarcerations and overcrowding of our already over crowded jails. look up romeo and Juliet laws for why this is a potential problem for consensual sex between people of similar ages but on is over and the other is under the age of consent.
lets just have a standard 18 or older and thats it.
The drinking age is 21 because society wanted to try and keep as many young drivers sober as possible so they wouldn't be killing people while DUI. Trying to keep a 17-18 yo from having sex with poorly constructed laws would create more problems than it solves.
Good luck getting 2/3 of the states to ratify a proposed Amendment, half the population doesn’t know what gender it is to begin with or what bathroom to use.
@rcljr yeah it’ll never happen but still you see tgat map there., it’s difficult to keep it straight which state has which age limit.
It is also an uphill battle when we have a movie industry that is allowed to produce movies like Pretty Baby, Lolita and American Beauty just to name a few from the last 40 years or so. our violent crimes are at record highs, again Hollywood with movies like Scarface, My Bloody Valentine, I know What You Did Last Summer, glorifying murder, torture, rape, murder for hire. Until you get the agencies that are influencing society as a whole to adhere to a more wholesome lineup, there will be no change.
@rcljr I agree with your views on Hollywood. I watched 2 of the adaptations of Lolita after reading the book, I didn’t like how Hollywood sexualized loe by aging her up to make it seem better and make humbert look like less of a pedo. It takes away from the entire message the author was trying to give in the first place
Why can't you spell? also your reasoning is entirely in conjecture and without reason, your entire argument is emotionally motivated and its easy to see that, I don't believe there is a problem with current consent laws.
Humans may not be fully developed until the ages of 20-21, but that does not mean they are entirely incompetent until then, you fool.
@theoracle “your entire argument is emotionally motivated” every argument ever made in history is emotionally motivated in one way or another, that doesn’t invalidate anything at all. Instead if you wanted to critique me if you don’t agree you could’ve simply explained what about my argument you don’t agree with rather than vaguely saying my argument has no reason.
I never claimed that humans are entirely incompetent before 20-21, before 20-21 your prefrontal cortex isn’t fully developed. This part of the brain is responsible for curbing impulse.
I do get emotional on these topic because I have a deep hatred for pedophiles as family and friends of mine have been effected by them but my argument does have actual science to back it up
No, I understand why people would be concerned about the age of consent, but my concern is that the radical feminists will start having a field day with it and use it to justify a different standard of law for men and for women.
The whole point of feminism in the US was to eliminate different standards of law for men and women.
Actually the whole point of feminism is to get rid of the patriarchy ^
Do you want to create more potential criminals?
Isn't your prisons over crowded as it is?
Hope you realize prisons are a excellent place to create and educate heavy criminals.
I never said anything about that? I just asked if we should raise it
@doopayo We already have problems with high school kids creating "kiddie porn". Whenever a girl your age sends naked pics to anyone they are creating child pornography on their phone and transmitting child pornography to other peoples phones. By strict letter of the law, the girl who took the pic of herself and transmitted it should be arrested, charged with a felony, and placed on the sex offender registry. Also, whoever she sent the picture to (assuming they did not immediately delete and/or report it) should, by law, also be charged with possession of child pornograhpy, arrested, charged with a felony, and placed on the sex offender registry.
Can you see the scope of the problem?
I don't have a problem with raising the age of consent, BUT, there needs to be some common sense applied.
@KrakenAttackin I hear what you’re saying but I also think that kids should at least be taught these things. No one tells teens if they took nudes they’re making child p* because it’s taboo so no one says anything
How would it have any effect on paedophiles? If you're going to talk to a 11yr old dosen't matter if age of consent is 16 or 21.
Adult men have no business with girls who haven’t finished puberty
I knew a couple who were married when they were thirteen and fourteen CONSENSUALLY might I add they were married for 70 happy golden years and loved each other very much
Ok, do you think the age of consent should be raised or not?
I really do not know the case study was to help start a dialogue it’s a complicated situation if people extremely close in age. Cultures, family traditions, emotional maturity and religious beliefs MUST be duly considered by ALL INVOLVED
Oh yeah sure, Try telling a bunch of horny college students they aren't allowed to have sex until they are 25. Let's see how well that works out for you.
She just don't want them to have sex with old people
That’s not what I said, my question was left vague on purpose for interpretation but all I said was if the age of consent should be higher.
I think what should be asking is why should it be higher then?
Lets thing about it for a second
1. Pedophilia by definition is in regards to people who are attracted to those who have yet to hit puberty, your argument is that doing so would help to combat pedophiles for people who are out of high school but they would be well pass the stage where it would be considered pedophilia at all.
2. You imply that people would somehow be harder to manipulate after the age of 21, but i think twitter and modern day discourse has proven that gullibility and manipulation has no age limit, making the gesture largely pointless.
and 3. If i had a dollar for every high school girl who bragged about secretly dating college students i'd be a very rich man.
Honestly this suggestion is based largely on ignorance and moral grandstanding not for the fact that it's wrong or anything of the sort but rather doing so would change literally nothing.
Your argument is based off of a misinterpretation of my argument, I would respond but there's nothing to say since your points are stuff I never even argued to begin with?
Then what is your point? Quit beating around the bush.
My point is exactly what I just said 🤦🏽♀️ I’m not obligated to respond to argument, and I choose to not respond to arguments that just misinterpret my words than it already started unproductive and is probably going to end that way
Then why should any of us even bother to take anything you say seriously?
I’m not arguing with someone who’s already began the argument misinterpreting my argument, simple as that. I have nothing to argue since the stuff you argued isn’t even my position in the first place. I left it vague so people could explain to me what they think
No you left it vague because it was meant to be disingenuous from the start as you can just say anybody who doesn't agree with you or says the AoC is fine is a pedo for disagreeing with you.
Dude what are you even going on about at this point, you’re just angry to be angry
Yeah im mad cause frankly, you're an idiot.
Ok sure thing buddy, 31 years old and calling people idiots on the internet. You’re so tough and scary
Ok then answer me this. If i said that the Age of consent should NOT be increased and is fine as is, would you or would you not label me as a pedophile just by virtue of being twice as old as you?
Bruh. No?
? You wouldn't? Wasn't that the whole point of this? I mean there's no way you would ask this question unless you already had you mind made up.
Brain development stops at 25 by the way. If we are going to make whole new set of laws based on the age of consent being at 25 which are probably not going to change anything then I wouldn't bother with raising it. Would be just wasting time.
How do you know it’s not going to change anything?
Life XP. You gain it as you get older. maturity has very little to do with brain development after you have after you have reached 16-17. After that your personal exp is the thing that makes you more mature. I am not waiting til 25 to be of age of consent. I am fine with 18 which is where I live.
I think it should be uniformly 18 in every state. 20-21 is a bit old. Look, if someone is old enough to die for the country, they should be old enough to have sex.
They don't need to have sex with adults, I always found that disturbing.
I thought it is 25 ? Tbh dating someone significantly younger than you is creepy 50 year old dating 30 year old is creepy and yes I am judging you for it
Personally I don't like dating anyone more than 5 year older while same age is preference
But then where would Bill Clinton get all his girlfriends?
Well yes, but there would be a major incarceration increase. I believe 16 is too low, 18 is better because that's adulthood anyways.
I vote to make it 40.
No USians should be allowed to have sex until they hit 40.
No. I come from Colombia where age of consent is 14
Is this what you think it should be?
14s way too young, all of the pedos liked you comment 😕?
kinda getting dude vibes from this ngl lol
what would that change? kids these days are fucking around when they're 12 or 13 already anyway.
It would change nothing.
Most people are too stupid to follow realistic guidelines on lifestyle choices, and the rare exceptions who would don't need the law, as they already decided to wait longer than most on their own.
When will people realize that laws do not cure stupidity?
@TheSpaceGnome yup. laws are bad parents who say "don't do this, don't do that". they don't help understanding why you shouldn't do those things. if people understand why, they will be smart enough not to do it. but the understanding is necessary... but the law isn't even taught in regular school education. so how can we expect people to follow the law?
Yeah the best we can do is sex ed, but even then the dumbest of the bunch will not understand and still won't listen, and even sex ed gets things wrong atm (like birth control effectiveness)
@TheSpaceGnome i personally think that we should stop demonizing sex and stop treating it as bad or evil or immoral. we should focus more on what should be given before you decide to have sex. cause if we make sure to get that across, that would help those that would do it either way to be more responsible about it.
I don't think it's demonizing sex to suggest that poor people and dumb people are unfit to be parents.
To me this isn't about sex, its about kids growing up in harsh conditions and people catching stds.
@TheSpaceGnome yeah but if you stop giving kids information that intentionally tries to push them in one direction, they will be stubborn and do their own thing. At that age, they're smart enough to see you're messing with them but not smart enough to really understand the consequences.
@genericname85 that’s actually not statistically true, kids now a days do that less as compared to let’s say kids in your days. Majority of highschoolers in the US haven’t even done it > ifstudies.org/.../fewer-american-high-schoolers-having-sex-than-ever-before
Shows on the media over sexual the highschool experience which is why you might have thought that but it’s far from the actual truth
still seems to be a good 50% of people below the age of consent that have sex. i was exaggerating with my 12 and 13 year olds. i know those are outliers. i didn't know there was an actual downward trent recently. i'm curious what causes this. cause i don't think that the sex education has gotten any better. what do you think?
and also what is rising the age of consent supposed to do? i don't get that.
i mean your statistics also refers to "high schoolers". what's with those that never go to high school?
@doopayo Seeing as nearly everyone I've met who is in their mid to late teens already lost their virginity to someone, I'm going to call that statistic out as misinformation.
I honestly don't think you could do a statistic on that since most people lie to adults about that sort of thing most of the time.
@genericname85 I agree about the info, I'm just stating why better education is needed.
At very least it should be 18. Bugs me out that it’s 16 in so many places😒
13 in Japan
@rcljr Japanese have prefecture like USA have states and in all prefecture it is from 16 to 18 .
Yes definitely. Here in my country it's 15. I think it should be at least 18. I don't think 15 year olds fully understand the consequences of their actions.
Turkey?
It should be the same as Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Western European nations, etc
Same with drinking
not all countries in Europe have the same age though so I don't know what you're referring to
Talking about the liberal modern Western European countries not all Europe
Nah, the laws are fine as they are. Nothing wrong with liking 18 year olds.
FYI, Pedo is attraction to prepubcent kids, hebe is pubcent and ebo is postpubcent. Get your insults right or they might use it against you.
People are amateurs when they abused the word pedophile they have to get it right and actually the first person to get it right
Yes. Age of consent is 16 where I’m from and I’m TERRIFIED to turn that age because I already have so many creepy dudes in my DM’s waiting for me to turn that age so they can sexualize me. I just wanna stay young forever 😭