Prime example of logic vs emotion? Good faith vs bad faith? What’s your take from this piece from Bill Maher’s show?

[Anonymous]

https://youtu.be/dwgsbZ1MsAE

Props to Bill Maher for having Ben on and being rational about this topic instead of purely taking 100% liberal or left talking points.

Another issue is that the audience already made up their mind on who to clap for before hearing the arguments.

[RolandCuthbert]

What the fuck? Dude, do you even know what CRT teaches. Let me give you an example of CRT. The CRT debate is just insane now. Almost none of it resides in fact.

Here is an example of the legacy of systemic/institutionalized racism. And as Malcolm Nance tried to explain this is way bigger than your or Ben Shapiro's obsession with "Black" folks. I wrote this several years ago. Soon to be released as a film, "The Murders of the Flower Moon".

https://www.youtube.com/embed/WUm6tuVeFTU

My thread on this;

Hidden History, who knows about the Osage Indian murders?

[Archerer]

The same people who are angry that statues are being taken down and "erasing history" are angry at schools for teaching history. And America is not a meritocracy... Ben has some decent points sometimes but he rarely sees the bigger picture, and is usually the dumbest person in the room at a proper debate. He is good at "owning" purple haired university students and not much more. He fast talks with confidence and that is enough for a lot of people to be impressed by him.

[doopayo]

Thanks for sharing the clip. I dislike how Ben Shapiro kind of tried to talk over the Malcolm guy when he was talking. Ben seemed to also just be running in circles with the discussion. He’d say stuff but as soon as what he said was questioned instead of explaining further he just tries to either straw man Malcolm or ignore what he has to say and try to change the subject.


I can’t say much for the Malcolm guy since I haven’t seen them or any of their videos

[supercutebutt]

The emotional ones are always conservative. Trump lost in a landslide and it's been 9 months of temper tantrums. Sad. The logical have gotten vaccinated. The snowflakes are afraid of needles. You couldn't write a funnier script if you tried.

[Andres77]

Bill has matured over the years and while I don't always agree with him I appreciate his willingness to listen to both sides with a more open mind.
I'm all for equal opportunity.
Equity of outcome is asinine though.
You have to put in the work.
Not doing the work and blaming whitey for not being successful is childish, selfish and disingenuous.
Thomas Sowell would wipe the floor with Nance.

[Medlife]

Ben Shapiro is the G. O. A. T that man has a voice and is not afraid to use it. I admire a man with passion and well backed up thoughts.

[goaded]

He doesn't have well backed up thoughts, though, he just Gish Gallops.

[Medlife]

Naahh he knows well

[Asker]

@goaded
Not sure what you’re talking about. Ben strikes me as someone with quite well-thought out points. He just MAKES SENSE, which is so important today unfortunately

[goaded]

@embracethepain You mean he agrees with you?

This whole "issue" of Critical Race Theory is an attempt to find something innocuous (and never taught in schools) and claim it includes everything the right wing don't like and say its been taught to the children, and should be opposed. Like Nance said, it's like "defund the police", which never meant get rid of all police, but put more resources into preventing crime in the first place. Going further back, there was sex education (they're going to teach children to be gay!) and Dungeons and Dragons (your children will be worshipping Satan!).

[Asker]

@goaded

All due respect, the “defund police” was literally akin to “make the police department smaller” or “take away money from police.” It wasn't more complex than that in the beginning, but once the vast majority of people where against this, THEN, the narrative started to change to something more specific.

Also, the same thing I’ve said about Ben Shapiro, I’ll transfer over to Bill Maher. I’m conservative/Republican, sure, but that doesn’t mean anything if something just MAKES SENSE and doesn’t 100% anchor their points on emotion.

Not an expert on CRT, but I do resonate more with what Bill Maher and Ben Shapiro feel about it, as opposed to Nance.

Nance took Ben’s view on it and contorted it.

I’m glad Bill called him out on that.

This shouldn’t be about right or left.

[goaded]

Well, here's a very early article about it, which seems to match what you're claiming, until you get to near the end (this is from June 2020):

"Opinion Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police"
www.nytimes.com/.../...-abolish-defund-police.html
"But don’t get me wrong. We are not abandoning our communities to violence. We don’t want to just close police departments. We want to make them obsolete.

We should redirect the billions that now go to police departments toward providing health care, housing, education and good jobs. If we did this, there would be less need for the police in the first place."

I like to quote from principle number 9 from the Peelian Principles, 1829, and still relevant:
"... the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them."

"I’m conservative/Republican, sure, but that doesn’t mean anything if something just MAKES SENSE and doesn’t 100% anchor their points on emotion."
OK, but it's true that Texas, for example, has and is trying to downplay bad things that happened to minorities (slaves were "immigrant labor", the civil war wasn't about slavery, etc.), and Maher's response was "right, that's Texas", as if it weren't part of the US. If the problem is in part of the US, it's the US's problem! (That exchange is at 5:00. I love the transcript feature of YouTube, it makes it so much easier to find the parts you're looking for!)

"Nance took Ben’s view on it and contorted it."
Which part, exactly?

Because I heard (at 8:30) Shapiro claim that Nance was defending "CRT", when Nance had just made the point that the real "CRT" (they'd agreed on Shapiro's definition at the beginning), was not the same as teaching the nastier parts of history in school. That's what the right-wing effort to co-opt the name and have it mean what they want it to mean is all about.

[Archerer]

He also can’t get his woman wet lmao

[hellionthesagereborn]

Goaded is a far leftist, you cannot reason with him. I once had a debate with him that lasted months even though I presented harvard studies and the like and he still wouldn't accept it. He is to far gone, don't bother.

[goaded]

@Archerer Lol!

"I want more foreplay"
"I-do-foreplay"
"No it's not, just kissing me once isn't foreplay"
"So-you're-against-foreplay?"

[goaded]

@hellionthesagereborn The nunber of Black people shot to death by police in the US this year is now 105, up from the 104 a couple of days ago when you were claiming the number was really 10.

You can still read their names here: www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[hellionthesagereborn]

@goaded Completely irrelevant and also your wrong. Don't know what the numbers are for this year because the year hasn't finished and we have had riots for the past two years which drives up the number but in the years we have full data and not have non stop rioting, the number is about 20 some odd unarmed blacks shot (and this doesn't count them attacking the officer bare handed or fleeing). teamtuckercarlson.com/.../

Also African immigrants out earn most whites. Also the richest ethnic groups in the US are Indian, Filipino, Thai, and Jewish. All of that directly refutes critical race theory. Again, you are a cultist and far to gone to deal with.

[goaded]

@hellionthesagereborn We're half-way through the year, and it's 105, actually lower than previous years, which are all available at that link, back to 2015. You claimed 10, without mentioning "unarmed", and objected to me correcting you.

You can make wild claims about me all you like, but your indifference to facts rather undercuts them.

[Medlife]

Boys i appreciate your sparring in public but could you please do it on your own comments and not mine... I like my notifications down to a minimum 😁

[goaded]

Sure. FWIW, I think there's a mute option on opinions, so you don't get unwanted notifications.

[Medlife]

Dearest i shall do what I need when I please. Want to have a convo with fellow boys? Invite them for Sunday tea and crumpets 😁

[goaded]

I was just trying to be helpful.

[Medlife]

Well bless your little helpful ❤

[Still-alive]

“Ben Shapiro is the stupid persons idea of a smart person”

[Asker]

I wonder who made up that quote.

I’m sure even if you don’t like or agree with a lot of Ben’s points you can see the disparity between him and Nance. I mean, Bill was practically getting irritated at Nance and Bill isn’t conservative/Republican.

You have to be able to see what I’m talking about even if you don’t like it.

[AllThatSweetJazz]

Jeez. That black guy is such a weasel with his smug unjustified denials and deflecting insults.

[zagor]

Bill Maher gets a lot of flack from "progressives" these days because he is willing to question their religion.