
What do you think about reversed traditional gender roles in the home?


Okay this is a social change type of post here - to promote the overall change of traditional roles and coax out the "sexists"? There is only one "correct" answer that won't lead to someone being shamed or canceled or labeled a sexist these days. And that is to say, "sure, its super cool, its about time!". I mean that is the answer you want to see, right?
Me? I don't really care. To each their own. There is no right or wrong. This has been happening for a long time, decades, its not a new thing. It works for some, doesn't work for others. Like anything else, the maturity and level of self awareness of those involved is key. Each partner has to be comfortable with themself and not have any self esteem issues. And a relationship where each partner is not focused on a competition - but rather sees value in the teamwork and the dynamic is okay for them.
Some people with different values might not like that. People that like traditional values and traditional roles would not agree. That should be okay, diversity means all viewpoints, not just the popular / trendy ones. But lately it seems that anyone who has more traditional beliefs is getting trampled.
Bottom line, I am okay with it, have been for a very long time - its a free country and people can choose to make things work, however they want. I don't think anything less of a man in that role - and I don't think anything negative about a woman in the switched role either. It's all good.
Anyone who feels more strongly that traditional roles are still relevant - that's fine too. Diversity.
I think... it should be left up to the man and woman of the house to decide their roles, and not let society dictate what men and women should and should not do because SJW fruitcakes think it's "oppressive".
I think it’s fine if that’s what both in the couple wants. In mine we’d be more likely to use reverse gender roles than traditional gender roles because I’ve tried the traditional and it’s just not for me. But right now we share pretty much all roles and responsibilities. It works well this way so far.
I think gender roles should be gotten rid of completely. They are so outdated and only a hindrance to have all your eggs in one basket when both partners could be contributing equally.
Women are better at raising the children, that’s why courts usually side with them in a divorce when concerning the children. Thousands of years of Darwinian selection has created differences between man and women that give a couple an advantage when the work is split up along traditional gender lines. Your protests won’t change that.
Stereotypes about women are why women get the children. There are a lot of guys who are just as capable of raising their kids if not better than the mother.
Darwinian selection isn't all it is cracked up to be. Look at a lot of the conspiracy theorists on this site. Who knows how they keep breeding?
Protests have already changed it. If they didn't there would be no womens right to vote and we would not be in the workplace like we are today so feel free to get out of here with that nonsense too.
Not gotten rid of completely. While I do agree household cooking and cleaning should be a joint effort, there will always be certain things men are more suited to do as well as things women are more suited to do. To completely throw that by the wayside is way too liberal of an approach.
More suited doesn't mean can't do it though. Save reproductive functions there is very little men can't do that women can and vice versa. The idea of "well we always just have done it that way" is way too old fashioned. The more that each gender rolls into the other side the more adept we all become and where weakness exist, innovation advances.
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I would say it sounds good on paper but that results show otherwise. I just want to point out that I am all for it when it comes to switching to gender roles or equal households. Especially because we are more modern and women are now out-earning men.
One of the main reasons is as someone else mentioned already that it "Leads to divorce" which is sadly somewhat proven true, I know you mentioned that your brother and sister-in-law's case but also note that they are outliers as it's not happening as much as one may think everywhere else. In today's age, more people are getting divorced than before, and most of those divorces and initiated by women, and the most common reason for the divorce has been financial reasons. I heard a saying that said, "if you let a woman lead she will lead you to the end of that relationship" Truth is women are not used to taking care of a man who is a stay at home dad, they might tolerate it for a while but eventually they will get tired of it. There is a reason they say "His money is their money, and her money is her money". Women are not used to sharing resources the way men share resources with their significant other. Also, note that most women don't date down, women are most likely to date someone who makes as much as them or significantly more, as for men, they don't really look at that as a deciding factor, a man will date a woman no matter how much they make. So these women who make a lot are already limited on who they date. As we have seen it does happen here and there but it's rare and in most of those cases those relationships were already formed before money came into play.
Overall, if people want to gender swap and it works all power to them, I embrace those relationships that goes against the norm, but sadly at the moment, they are not as successful as we would want them to be.
I absolutely love it!
I love my 2 kids so much and if I could stay with them 24/7 I would. During the pandemic I was a key worker and my partner was on furlough. My 2 teens were sometimes in school and sometimes home schooling. He cleaned and did most of the cooking and helped the kids with school work, he also ran my errands. I could just work then come home and enjoy life rather than do chores. He had to go back to work and I hate it.
I am a teacher and over the summer I am the one that stays home. I get bored and he does it better than me! When I go back we will both work full time and the chores will be 50/50. As you can see it’s a very flexible home and o think whatever suits the family is the best thing!
I need to work to be stimulated, I need big projects etc I just don’t feel fulfilled at home all the time
I honestly don't see anything wrong with that, I know my answer might be shocking but I seen really competent and successful women who really good at the work place. The same way in the reverse I had seen really nurtering men who are good at either cooking and just want to spend time with their children. I really don't see working out of the house as masculine or working inside of the house is feminine, if sure than I would and so many other men and boys would be labeled as girly for doing chores. How about women and girls who hae paid jobs and attending school are they now manly?
I have experienced this in a past relationship and when my partner did not work and stayed home with the baby I lost all respect for him. Might be something to do with the fact that he wasn't particularly good at it. Anyway, I resented being the breadwinner and did not find him sexually attractive anymore either. I did not feel very feminine either. It's so stupid and sexist I know, but that's just how I felt. I definitely prefer the more traditional way or a more equal way. I like to go out to work and I like to share the household chores and childcare. I like to cook for my man though cause it gives me pleasure. I find it more attractive when a man earns more than me, is able to fix things and build stuff, or at least try, can rescue me sometimes and wants to provide for his family.
Traditional feminine women are actually one of my dream girls, it is really sexy knowing making dinner for me.
Within most American cultures, a Mr. Mom is not highly regarded as a man. Society doesn't negatively come down on single and widowed dads, but a man who can't provide, is pretty much for most a worthless guy.
Some couples and other countries march to a different drum, and there are always exceptions, but overall many women tend to follow what their circle of women friend think, and once the stares and comments start, the humiliation is not far behind. This is not on the man, but the woman who will almost certainly lose respect for her husband. When that happens, she seeks out a better man. It's instinctive actually.
I guess I have a reversal going, although I don't think of it as such... I have known many stay at home dads and I fully recommend it—if that is what you and your mate want. I do not have children at home, but my wife works 50 hours/week away and I am the house husband. I've been this way for over a decade now, and the first 8+ years was fun. I got to make my own schedule, work on projects around the home or for income (I'm a write/artist,) but it's gotten to be a drag now. With Covid and no real social life, it's killing me!
I love how most ladies be like
oh yeah men can be just as nurturing as the mothers too and I could earn way better in the workforce than a man too im a strong woman BS.
but once an intruder breaks in the house they're the first to be behind the curtains... being a man/ the bread winner isn't about what you like and leaving the ones you don't like to your partner it's about the work that would workout better any circumstance...
I am man and I'm no way trying to get a wife that's isn't willing to bear my kids...
if you feel like yeah you want to be a modern woman go find a modern man too that would cater kids and the house while you're working in the office and also a man that would hide behind you (woman) in the presence of danger.
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@Livewire3 okay Mrs "snakes"
first of all, these are not theories they're facts and the world doesn't run by exceptions of the rules remeber that.
even if I do give you the benefit of the doubt (you're stronger than most men) you still do realize that most of the women are smaller in stature in other words weaker compared to their male counterparts right?
so at this rate reversing the gender role would only create a catastrophe... in cases of dangerous scenarios...
i swear this girl please do you live in the "marvel wonder woman's nation" or what are you dreaming of?
putting your life at risk isn't like the Hollywood movies, even when the men do make a move it doesn't always work out. now with most women weaker than men reversing it gender role do you think that is a good idea or not?
women do like taller, stronger, richer, and intelligent men for a reason all these are in one way or the other futures of protection...
so unless you can go and convince yourself and your female friends to start looking for shorter, weaker, submissive men, please cut out your "gender reversal dream BS " and wake up to reality.
I was responding to your comment, if you want to jump out on a limb with "men are stronger than women" that's your issue. I already responded to the main topic. I would never be compatible with a "weaker" man... They need to be able to ride by my side. Mentally, physically, emotionally and playfully. I am happier with a companion, not someone who is trying to dominate everything. I think people should play to their strengths and not to a role. If there is a gap where neither feels they can do well, then I think they should try to figure it out together. No need for role's here. This isn't a play, it's life.
@Livewire3 you were responding to my comment?
didn't you notice most of your comments are based on what you like and think of yourself personally (strong woman etc) ?
I'm not attacking you or your way of life, im against the gender reversal nonsense because if anything it's only worsening our society. just cuz you and the other 1 out of 99% of women have machetes under the bed and kill snakes ( strong, dominant, and independent women ), doesn't mean society is ready for gender reversal yet...
gender reversal isn't equals partnership or "by my side" like you call it...
that's the main reason i'm against it and that's why i find it funny you still don't need a submissive and weaker man yet... Best of lucks to you
I actually do know what I want, so your "yet" is assuming. Which most of your statements seem to be. Geez. And I definitely do not want a guy who is easy to break.. that'd just be cruel. I've figured that out. But lets talk about you, why on earth you think that number is 99%? I have a large extended family, I can't name a single family in that line who do not have one or two women who are hunters and warriors. And they are amazing!
As far as "roles" go, it's a waste of capabilities to try to conform rather than play to your strengths. It's also emotionally damaging and draining to try to be something you aren't.
For the last 5 years I was the sole breadwinner while she stayed home with the kids. Recently she began working while I stay home - we homeschool the kids.
I wouldn’t say that the actual gender roles have flipped though. I don’t see providing as being a masculine or feminine thing anymore, I never have. I don’t feel “emasculated” by it. The men who do I think are those who lack any other masculine qualities.
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You're educating your kids, which, considering the hoopla that's been going on in many public schools across the US as of late, is a commendable thing as far as I'm concerned. How can it not be, really? A lot of people like to boil anything 'stay-at-home'' down to housework - vacuuming, dusting, laundry, cooking... we all know the list. Is it anything we hadn't done while we were single? Men or women? It's what you make of it.
It's also a plus if you're good with your hands or are talented in the trades. Do you know how many guys are involved in home construction/remodeling/landscaping/whatever on their own houses, but can only work on them after a long day at their jobs (many of which are building trades as well, so for many guys it's like they never left work) or on the weekends and think they're never gonna get it done? My father was in construction for most of his adult life except prior to that when he was a mechanic (while somehow squeezing in two tours in Vietnam - lucky him) and when he'd get laid off (almost always in the winter), he'd get all kinds of projects done around the house, only much faster obviously.
Not a good idea especially when kids are involved. A mother should always stay home with the kids to raise them. If there aren't kids involved then it's whatever jobs and chores aren't gender specific so there is no reason to care about who does those.
Why don't you think that the father would be just as nurturing and invested in his children's upbringing?
My husband has a closer bond with our son than I do, and has since he was about 4 months old
I don't really have any reason to lie about it but it's true. He spend more time with our son that I did the summer he was born while I went back to work. Well you should see the bond my son has with his father. I am chopped liver in comparison hahah
Not sure how you could live with the guilt of going back to work so early. I can't even send my 4 year old to preschool, can't imagine leaving a small baby like that. They really need their moms at that age. It makes sense why he would only care for this father in that situation
My husband was in college at the time and off for the summer. I was making significantly more more than he would have been able to finding a summer job, so I worked to support my family, and provide financially.
Logically and financially that didn’t make sense for us
It’s better than being homeless and have my husband invaluable time to bond with our son.
Honestly I think we need to stop worrying about who makes more money and who's in the kitchen. It's teamwork and if both parties are contributing who cares? Two people need to equal 100% It shouldn't be a contest of is it exactly 50/50. Otherwise do you vacuum half a carpet and tell your spouse to do the other half? No.
Whatever works. Both my parents worked but my dad was the one who did the cooking, and took care of the plants, and did all the cleaning. Way better than my mom ever could. I think as long as it works and everyone feels like responsibilities have been divided on a way that's manageable, it's fine
You do you. Skip role playing and just play to your strengths and be adaptable to your uniqueness. This means he can cook, you can cook, you can cook together. Every chore that needs to be done, will require that you both figure out what works well for you. I recommend laughter, forgiveness, and trying to fill in to make each others day a little easier.
that was the reality of lockdown for many.
having the traditional wife working from home, is great until you are on furlough / not working due to a pandemic.
i know a lot of husbands who took over home duties while wives / partners worked
i dont have a problem with it.
As long as the man is still a man, and the woman is still a woman, then who makes the money and who takes care of the home and family, it does not matter to me.
ultimately, as long as the couple is happy, what does it matter?
Women dont respect , love if the man provide care as women. I did cooking , cleaning , took care of a girl. When she was sick , hungry , tired. In return she ran for a guy who do nothing , just take her to expensive restaurents , have sex in expensive hotels. I cannot afford that much expensive stuff being a student but cooked really good home meal for months. She told me guys like me are good only after thirty. I have seen this line from multiple times in my life. I have learnt my lesson.
My all other guy friends do almost nothing for their girlfriends still they get so much love. I am not doing much shit in future. If I cannot find anyone for that so be it.
That girl was a bitch to you. But not all are like that. If you like Todo things for your partner keep doing them. The right one will come.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 it's not about finding the right or wrong anymore. As a human being I am independent and can take care of myself pretty well. Almost every guy dont do any shit for their woman , still they enjoy a loving fulfilling relationship.
@Asker you know a lot of toxic relationships then. Those are not normal.
I am sorry for the ungrateful bitch eho just used you. But I definitely don't think all women act like her trust me there is a nice girl who would treat you great for all of the stuff you did.
It's a great idea, it does not force stereotypes onto people and it does not make you feel bad for not being good at someone you're "supposed to be good at" based on your gender. My boyfriend feels the same way, he loves cooking and he likes cleaning as well. Me other the other hand I can't cook if my life depended on it and I much prefer doing yard work which is supposed to be a "manly" job. I think it's all up to the person, and nothing should be gendered or targeted towards a specific gender like I also love the color pink, ballet, make-up and that should not mean anything even if it's considered to be very feminine.
I don't think a man cleaning, sewing or doing laundry is a reversed gender role. His ass be making messes too so...
Also, some dudes are just not handy at all.
Well said
I like the way you think
Both should be working and splitting the chores. As for the complete reversal in gender roles, in my observations it vastly increases the divorce rate. The wife things the husband is lazy and the husband thinks the wife is emotionally disconnected. One of them always cheats on the other.
To be fair though, I know very few people actually still married regardless of their domestic arrangement.
I find gender roles to be extremely limiting in general, it's best to work to ones ability, always, my husband and I switch out, we do pretty much everything together, both of us cook, me more but he does when I'm busy or he has an idea, or we cook together, both of us work and go out, I program, he remodels, it's good stuff.
My brother has no job, takes care of their kids, cleans their house, and manages their money. His wife is a nurse that works long 12hr night shifts. They're functional that way and I see it as a good thing. Teamwork is important and as long as it works, also everyone is happy, then I don't see why it matters who does which role.
I’ve lived in one my entire life, in regards to the following:
My mother brings in most of the money
My father does all of the cooking
I think it doesn't matter. It's not endangering anyone's sense of gender. It's not emotional or sexual issue, just certain tasks one do. We can keep our etiquette of fine manners to fit our genders nevertheless, or update it to a degree. But it really in the end of the day "all can be and doesn't have to be".
@Subarugirl
PM me. I wanted to ask you something.
Regarding the question, I personally dislike it and wouldn't want that lifestyle, but if that's what people want to do, then they can do whatever they want.
I think couples should do what works for them.
I like the IDEA of staying home and taking that role, although I'd probably require a partner who earns enough to finance everything, unlikely to happen.
They don't work well. Women rapidly lose respect for "stay at home dads". Don't believe me? Do some research. Also, women who have a career with a "stay at home husband" are MUCH more likely to cheat.
Interesting perspective, thanks for your opinion
@Subarugirl. The Scandinavian countries have studied occupational gender equality EXTENSIVELY and they were absolutely shocked with the results. With all other things being equal people are happier in traditionally defined gender roles. It had to be shockingly painful for Scandinavian researchers to admit this.
Women typically cheat for emotional or psychological reasons, usually when they aren’t being fulfilled or satisfied in some way or if they are feeling a loss of control in their lives. These are the most common underlying issues with my clients. Stay at home housewives with no active social life or hobbies are likely to cheat out of boredom. With career women, it’s usually associated with a need for greater control or power over their lives.
Wow man, you must have had a lot of trauma in you're life to have such a deep seeded mistrust and distain for women. Are you okay?
Its a bad idea, woman are nurturers and us men just aren't built that way. We need a good wife to help raise our children. I dont mind being the provider
You think that father can't be just a nurturing as mothers?
I can tell you my husband is a much better nurturer. I think I am not built that way. He has more patience and subtle comforting methods, and I am more likely to lay down the law. It is not innate to gender, I am fully comfortable being the woman that I am, but I would be doing a great disservice to my husband and many other nurturing fathers out there if I were to assume all and only women capable of nurturing.
LOL... I am no less feminine and he is no less masculine, and that seems really irrelevant. I can be totally flirty with my husband and carry my feminine allure even while dropping out a gas tank to change the fuel pump. There is no task in managing a home and employment that really requires you to lose your masculinity or me my femininity.
I don't really care, so long as the home is functioning. Issues don't really arise until it comes time to start having kids, and that can still be planned for even though it's objectively more difficult.
A man feels complete when he can take care of his family financialy. who will feed the money when girl is pregnant and after birth of child. do u think a guy can take care of a child and give it values. its called maternal instincts. there's no paternal instincts
outdated system of a by-gone era, when women couldn't speak up for themselves or even vote. F That S in the A. Thoughts are, we are a team, we can all do everything, for all else is open to discussion. Communication is always key.
Honestly, I don’t mind it. In fact, I’d rather be a stay at home dad.
I want the traditional roles. I will get tired of playing the "strong independent woman". I wanted to be a housewife before I realized that men want the career-oriented woman. I am so tired of it already.
As a society or within an individual couple?
It's important that I have an answer to my question before I more completely answer your question.
As an individual couple.
Not a big deal. This happens in my marriage whenever I am unemployed. Already, I am pretty much a househusband. While we both work from home, I do a lot of the cleaning chores while she does most of the cooking chores because she is better. But I will cook for her without sweating it.
I may be old-fashioned but I want to be a stay at home mom/wife and would want my husband to be the one working. Mostly, because my mom works and I miss her like crazy cause we never have time to see each other.
I wouldn't say that it's old fashioned really but I will say that it's really difficult to afford in today's economy
My parents had 5 kids and kept them happy and healthy for 13 years (that's old the eldest is) with my dad working and my mom was a stay at home mom who homeschooled the oldest 4 of us, and no, we were not rich by any means
Im the oldest of 4 kids, we were all homeschooled too. My poor dad had to work his ass of to give my mother the ability to chose that. We hardly ever saw him he was gone so much.
Just do what needs to be done and don't politicize house work.
Completely unnecessary.
Good way to destroy a relationship, but if thats some one's thing more power to them.
For people who can't get a traditional partner to take them seriously for whatever reason (s).
why would everyone want a traditional partner?
@Subarugirl Never said everyone wants that... it's just a fact that even if you want it you can't get it if you're not high enough quality from the POV of the traditionalists.
A reflection of the times and of changing attitudes in relationships. as well as changing societal expectations. I guess when both are working it helps to share the load of housework.
Women who act like men are never liked or desired.
Men who act like women are never respected.
Well put.
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Can a woman go the gym to get fit? Like not bulky, just toned with some definition? Would you like it?
@Pandupillu Definitely, nothing wrong with being fit and healthy and going to the gym.
Not likely because 98% of women would not go for that kind of relationship scenario.
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Everyone does what they want in the relationship as long as both agree. But participating in households is not "reversed the gender roles" for me.
I think a lot of women pretend they would be happy with this, but the reality is not the same.
I'm anti traditional for the most part but I don't agree with men and women switching gender roles.
why not?
Men and women naturally fit certain roles better. i. e. men are more better equipped to lead, discipline and protect the household.
Whereas women are more equipped to do better as a supporting role, loving and nurturing the kids.
Obviously roles overlap to a certain extent but it also shouldn't be blurred where there's no designated role at all between man and woman.
That about as traditional as it gets
For me it does. I believe men should be the leaders of the household and their wife in submission to him.
Now, I say this in the context the man is a good man who loves his wife and kids, and not a abusive controlling devil.
As a male, how can I give birth and be a mother to my children?
The point is, there are real "gender roles".
Housework is not a "gender role"!!!
Why not? So long as it works and both are happy with it. My experiance says no one really likes it.
I don’t believe in it if anybody is laying around the house all day it’s me
If it's working for the couple / family, then why should I have ANY opinion on the matter?
Who cares?
No such thing as " gender roles"
That's just a stupid society construct.
That would take a lot of stress off of my shoulders!
NO. Just do what u both gotta do to acquire the home the way u both perceive it to be. Whatever it takes , both just do a part to accomplish\achieve your goal of a home.
not for me. those type of women might as well be lesbians as far as I am concerned. I would never want to be with one
Well I don't think you have anything to worry about, I doubt "those type of women" would want to be with you either haha
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I have no concerns with it. If that’s what’s best for the family, then go for it
Given I grew up in an environment that was primarily that way and both of my grandparents houses were much the same by the time I came along
I’m not interested in being a house husband because it seems boring that’s why I wouldn’t want my wife to be a housewife
Nope. I want us to both work and do chores around the house.
I don't find it appealing personally, but people should do what they want.
I've no problem with it. I would live to be able to be a stay at home dad, but as a single dad that's not feasible
Well for starters i would rather work and there are so many stereotypes based on men should do this and that switching roles is id say ok but i believe i should be independent and work
Nope! No way. I am sort of traditional when it comes to these things. I would want my husband to work and I'll do all the housework
Our gender roles are not reversed, but we share the housework, cooking, etc.
As long as I dont have to wear a dress and give birth to babies
Yes! I think that be one of the main problems with this sort of idea. If the women get birth and have to stay at home will both parents be at the house or will the stay at home dad be willing to go out and find a job because usually someone needs to bring home the bacon.
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