Civilizations have a life cycle. They originate with a cultural idea and art form, rise, and at the peak of their power when they seem invincible, they start to decline. Their decline might end in collapse, but does not necessarily do so.
One sure sign of decline is when childbirth becomes viewed as optional. At this point decline is irreversible. Other symptoms include the rise of a form of finance that dispossesses the general population to the benefit of the elite, the rise of “global cities,” an influx of people from around the world into these cities, and an elite that increasingly despises the population from which the civilization originated. The global cities extract the resources and most capable people from the hinterland. A form of atheism or irreligion sets in and traditional family and cultural patterns are viewed as oppressive and discarded. The arts are reduced to a negation of the culture that gave rise to the civilization or to mere imitation of previous or foreign art forms. The population of the city of Rome fell from over one million pre-collapse (an enormous city for that time) to 30,000. This was not because the people went anywhere, but because the reproduction rate fell below replacement. People of European descent will practically disappear within 200 years given current birth rates. Eventually the common people turn to charismatic figures to protect them from the elites, but these usually turn out to be incompetent. Eventually, the global cities cannot be maintained and what is left of the people who gave birth to the civilization go back to the land and return to a more rural, traditional way of living. It happened before; it will happen again.
The West is in a state of permanent decline. America, as the imperial power of the West, is where this decline will be seen and felt most profoundly. This is, as near as I can tell, why society seems toxic. Radical feminism, MGTOW, incels, the divorce rate, the increase in children raised without fathers in the home, the rise of metal illness, the huge increase in young men without relationships, increasing job insecurity and economic instability, the accelerating concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands... all of these are symptoms, not causes.
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Let's take a step back, if feminism was truly empowering why do girls and women seem ruder, more conceited, superficial and untrustworthy nowadays? I've had feminists argue and yell at scream at me where I just walked away because I can't bother when someone in that state of mind. This whole guys/men blame women/girls and vice versa, how about we all, myself included as a guy take a good hard look in the mirror. I don't need to be a feminist to compassionate and respectful to women. But the problem is, disrespectful, uncaring, rude, condescending men have ruled and women have basically said, fuck this BS, we want our voices to be heard. And I agree with women there, y'all aren't slaves, your opinion should be valued, you should be paid correctly and have opportunities, absolutely.
But to any girl reading this, how come we talk about rape and physical abuse to women, but when it comes to abuse to a man or a guy whether verbal or physical, it's shoved under the rug? Because that happens as well. If any girl reads that and thinks "whatever" or "so what" well there you go and this is why society, especially in the west continues to trend downwards. Actually not even in the west, world wide, but in western-driven countries it is. We live in a capitalist system, capitalism teaches someone to work hard! work hard! work hard! By any means necessary step on someone's neck if you have to because it's all about the self, individualism and self-thought. Y'all (males and females) reading this can't deny that, because the roots of capitalism today and how we live was extracted during the enlightenment period of the 18th century.
I've said this before on GAG, I will say it again. In the early 2000s, I was in high school. I remember one day being in the halls and guys were talking shit about fucking this girl or fucking that girl and purposely breaking her heart and laughing about it. In my mind, I thought, man these poor girls in high school will be broken inside and girls all over the world will most likely rebel and say, "if guys do it, we will to". That was almost 20 years ago man, and lo and be hold it did and it got worse. I am not a feminist supporter, but as a guy I cook, I clean, I help my mom and sisters, I am still virgin and don't pursue girls in a sleazy way. Even the display pic I have is a woman, her name is Chyna from WWF. A female who broke wrestling barriers for women in the 1990s in a male dominated world. But even with Chyna, she was seen talking about modern day feminism back in the 2000s and she even said back then that feminists take it a little too far sometimes. When a woman who is seen as Wonder Woman in the sport/entertainment of pro wrestling like the WWF, now WWE, fighting men says that, then girls need to self reflect to. I am an old school guy at heart when it comes to love/relationships/marriages and I don't agree with principles and morals of today if people disagree with me, by all means, you can dislike my comment.
Blaming your all failures in your dating life on feminism is ridiculous and immature because this means you can't to take responsibility and accountability. A feminist did not destroy your relationship with your exs. Women ain't perfect but we are not always at fault. People attract what they are. I know enough 10 years married feminists who really respect their husbands. Yes radical feminists exist and spread manhate but i only see them in the media aka they get plattform to speak while good feminist get silenced aka shadowed in my experience. I know a good turkish feminist organisation who critizise antiman propaganda but they get cancelled. People should wake up and understand that people in the media or in power use feminism, lbgt etc. for their purpose. They are oppurtinists and so they dont really know anything about feminism, lbgt etc. They dont care about women or so on. They just want clout, vote etc. This is why they are talking bullshit. Unfortunately some young women get influenced by the fake feminists in the media.
No normal sane woman or feminist would hate men because it does not make sense and it does not help any woman.
However, they are internet feminazis with communities but most of them are traumatized aka are raped/assaulted in my experience and so they can't think rationally and can't understand that not all men are bad. so this is why i think they should not have access to internet because they need therapy and not internet and they are confusing many people in a bad way.
I think that people will always find a reason to fight. It's easier to play the blame game and point fingers instead of working together to make things better. At the end of the people like to hate, men like to hate one women, women like to hate on men.
Imagine how much less divisive things would be if people would sit down and respectfully talked about how to make things better.
What if we embraced each others strengths instead of attacking each others weaknesses?
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Traditionalism is overrated. It has always had it flaws that were always going to result in some form of rebellion.
I’m seeing these posts everywhere so let me say this…For 12 years I suffered a drunk druggie mother that used me to win arguments with my borderline abusive step father and get out of tickets and create an impenetrable space between me and other people. Then they divorced and she got me he got my brother (this matters later on). Years later I’m in jr high getting accused of sexual assault. I’m so glad it was then and not today or ide be in jail. Same year my grandfather died. Within a month my grandmothers planting her next marriage… not gonna lie I felt a way about this. by the way at this point my now lesbian mothers still up to her usual shit and I’m being relentlessly teased because she’s lesbian. Moving forward a few years my mothers going insane at 3 am while I have to go to work at 7am… she’s in a drugged stupidity breaking my shit so I gave her a slight push away from my shit and tell her to shut up and go to sleep… well by this point I’m made then I think and she leaves the ground. She calls the fucking cops on me and in the 18 minutes it takes them to get there she’s laughing “you’re going to jail son haha”. God I hated that bitch so much. Cops wanted to arrest her cause she’s being belligerent. This is, to this day, the only mark on my record because she did file charges… for some stupid reason when they asked if I wanted them to arrest her I defended her and said I got it… she kept on all night. I kicked her ass out of my house the next day… for the next decade+ I’ve tried to become a better man not even knowing what a better man is. I still see her attitude in myself and it disgusts me. I actually got out and dated a few times. Round 1 high school sweetheart. We moved away and rekindled. She had one kids and another on the way but I didn’t care. Result… she cheated after years together. Round 2. We’re not going to go into that dumpster fire. Abusive, rude, and again a cheater… Round 3… ya she wasn’t so bad. We dated for 5 years and though she was a good person… overall… our expectations and foundations were too different… and she cheated too. I consider the 3 months of stalking an ex at the start of our relationship emotional cheating but by this point I’ve just come to expect this shit… I did have a one night stand once… friend from work. She was cheating with me on her bf… who knew? I dare you to come at me with oh boo hoo pity party or who hurt you or my personal favorite not all women… The only thing you women have going for you is your potential mothers of my children. All the love and affection you have to give will never fix the monster I have become or the feelings I have for your gender.
Feminism is definitely part of the larger problem, but there is a lot more nuance. There is a healthy form of feminism but it’s message has been hijacked by more radical voices. As a result movements like mgtow and incel groups have formed in opposition. Mgtow in an of itself can be used as a healthy channel for men to improve themselves but more often then not becomes a forum of men voicing their horrible experiences, reinforcing other men’s bad experiences and influencing younger men who haven’t even been given the chance to experience normal relationships. Something like 1/3rd of all men are still virgins by age 30. Upwards of 90% of single men aren’t even actively trying to date. I don’t have any statistics but it wouldn’t surprise me if a significant number of single women who aren’t putting themselves out there are also perpetually single. The destruction of the family unit is an increasingly unsustainable problem which appears to be intentionally fueled by external sources.. but that’s another discussion.
I don't blame women for that. Nor do I blame feminism. Yea their are bad apples everywhere. Men and women will always have issues. I blame all the mistakes and choices that I have made in my short life time on me. I gladly take credit for it. Am I proud of my past? No but I won't blame the people that suffered because of my actions. Do I think feminism is the reason why their are good relationships anymore? No. At the end of the day regardless it's what you go after or your standards and what type of person you want that will bring the kind of girl/guy to you. If you have certain taste than that taste is whats gonna come at you. Am I saying you should lower your standards? No updating and replacing along with managing what you like and dislike is a part of life. Men and women need to revalue themselves in general before they wanna be in a relationship at all. As long as men keep looking with their eyes and women keep giving them eye candy, people will keep having issues. To be honest I do blame social media for a lot of things today, other than that everything that's going on is on everyone's head. No organization or anything like that, it's you the person that goes after these types of people that cause's such bullshit.
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You should know that many feminists like Andrea Dworkin and Valerie Solanis from the 1960s most definitely wanted to destroy relationships between men and women. And they were very vocal about it along with their hatred of men.
To a large extent they succeeded.
The nuclear family has been destroyed
Single motherhood is at an all time high.
Boys are growing up without fathers. Boys without fathers usually end up in prison.
60% of marriages end in divorce
80% of divorces are initiated by women.
This has in turn caused our marriage rate to fall.
So yes feminism has done a great deal of damage to relationships between men and women.Unfortunately the feminists have certainly not helped. Not bashing anyone here , but have noticed a lot , if not most , women do come across as negative towards men to some degree. Feminism is part of a toxic social engineering agenda , that is designed to cause division. My own daughter has stated girls are subtly influenced to view boys / men in a negative light. I am a male counterpart to yourself , no hate / negativity from me , I am a single dad , prefer own company & dating & more so relationships , are not for me , I cannot compete in such a male heavy sausage fest anyway.
It's just that in the old days men assumed every woman was a lady until proven otherwise. So many women today act like rude, disrespectful whores that men learned to stop doing that. Now your "woman" card is worth $0. Yes that's on feminism (both men and women who supported it).
But if a guy knows you to be a lady based on your actions then he will treat you like a lady. Respect has to be earned today. And hey, men have to earn every single drop of respect that we get in life so that's some of the equality women wanted, I guess.NO. It is about men and women must have the same rights that’s it. Some people don’t know the difference between feminazi and feminism so they think that it is bad. In the past, women had many bad days because society thought that women are inferior than men. But being woman doesn’t mean that being inferior. There are many healthy relationships and it is just about the two peoples personality not the other things around them. You find what you look for. But i agree with you that most of the men blame women, most of the women blame men. I don’t think these are useful. If one has bad decisions everytime in their life maybe they have some problems in themselves too. We accept the love we deserve. We can try to work on ourselves maybe going to therapy or socializing more. Life is so short for blaming on everyone about what we live. Everyone has the responsibility what they live.
Cost of feminism bluring the line with mysandrism men now have the least incentive ever to have a family muchless marriage. And the consistent noise that feminists have made really bloodied the seas sort of say when it comes to the whole concept of dating. Now I'll say it clear and loud not all women are feminists but they really killed off the incentive of relationships going past dating. One night stands are seen as nicer and more convenient and easier more than ever. Which means a man never reaches the point where marriage even is an idea.
And its not even women's fault there are also male feminists <.< who probably are the worst perpetrators when it comes to why feminism gets a really bad reputation.
In my personal opinion though the term feminist is probably for me and I can only assume for the vast majority of guys its the number one term that makes men just completely go flacid.Not at all.
People have no idea what feminism looks like. They see women being posted on mainstream media with pink hair yelling that the air conditioning is sexist and they think that is it.
Actual feminist don't just about women's rights. They are normal people who happen to want social and economic equality between men and women. They condemn a false rape accuser as much as anyone else.
But people go on social media, where the circus is in town all the time and make up their minds from that.You got to appreciate that men are still expected to stick their necks out and approach women in dating. While yes their are good women out there many of us had the misfortune of being burned while trying to find one.
If someone approaches you dating you have the luxury of putting them on probation to see what they are all about. You are in a stronger position. But when you have to do the approaching you have to make judgements on what you see on the surface. It’s not always obvious if the woman is “good” or a modern selfish pos feminist by just looks alone.
I don’t expect this to ever change (men being expected to approach). But one thing I do wish for is that more women would just RESPECT the position the guy is in. Most of us do not enjoy approaching women but we do it because we have to. Too many women take this for granted.Blaming feminism is vastly overemphasizing the contribution of feminists in the last half century.
The main criticism is feminism has exclusively benefitted white middle class women at the expense of urban working women of colour. So it’s a racist form of feminism effectively. It’s also made it impossible to have a rational debate on issues like trans athletes which had led to more violence and ostracizing for trans people. Again modern feminism mostly benefits cis white women at the expense of everyone else.Feminism's ultimate goal was the destruction of the family.. Which it has accomplished with no fault divorce.. As much as 60% of children are now in fatherless homes because neither side wish to work for it.. For women, the first sign of trouble, or if boredom sets in, she bolts.. Most men don't file for divorce..
I stopped reading the body of your question because it didn't appear to relate to the question in the headline. It seemed like a bit of a rant so I moved on.
To your original question, "destroyed" may be a bit much, but feminism has certainly done a lot of harm to families and gender relations. One of feminism's stated goals has long been to destroy the nuclear family, and it has achieved much success toward that end. It has also driven a wedge between men and women.
Feminism, and the fact it is still supported in the West, is a symptom of a bigger problem. It is not the sole reason, but certainly a contributing factor to the ongoing decline of western civilization. Seeing what is happening in the West today is like watching a train wreck in slow motion, and feminism is one of factors that pushed the train off its rails.I agree with you. Men truly don't like women
They like what they can get out of a woman. Most men are shallow, judgmental, insecure, mentally unstable and like to gaslight their issues onto others. They never want to take responsibility and it's always someone else's faultYou do realise that the majority of sexism in today's world comes from women? "I hate men" is literally an accepted and regularly used phrase nowadays and the fact that that quote isn't seen as sexist just proves how little men are cared about in todays society.
I don’t believe that - because not every woman is a feminist. Feminism isn’t inherently radical by the way. It’s just that some have taken it over to an extreme. There are a lot of women who don’t agree with it.
the saying "all feminist are bad women" are just said by misogynists who hate female CEOs, successful women, women who don't need a man to support them, women with more degrees than they do. They like to perpetuate the idea that women should be inferior, less educated, less successful than men. Their obsession with housewifery really just stems from their secret desire to suppress and oppress women. When a woman is financially reliant on a man, he has a lot of control over her in many ways.
These are the same men who are terrified about the idea of their wives having the means / ability to leave them. This explains why they like their women inferior, uneducated, unable to survive on their own without him.Why do millennial women swear to fucking God they're the first generation of Feminists? NO, feminism did not destroy male/female relations. It actually helped gender relations during the 1920s and about the 2010s when the second leg of 3rd wave feminism created Liberal SJW Social Media Feminism. Millennial women have done NOTHING for the first time.
Y'all weren't the first generation of women to go to college, university, own property, own cars, drive, join the military, start companies, live on your own, become politicians, become scientists, become law enforcement, become astronauts, NOTHING. Literally nothing. So why would gender relations change now? You arrogances and the pedestal a lot of you let Social media put you on is why men aren't dating or marrying and in many cases even associating anymore.
If you want proof just look at this page for 24 hours and see how women answer so many questions directly from their egos.Where feminism has helped empower many women and give them the knowledge of their rights, it has also spread hate between the genders. It is a sensitive topic and must be discussed by the sensible and mature people only. But here I see so many memes being made and shared on social media just to win a stupid argument on each other. Just to shame and blame each other without understanding the natural differences of the genders.
The key is to understand the nature of both the genders and try to create an environment where the system works for both.
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