Embarrassed by my own. Guys, time to wake up!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Before I start let me clear that this is targeting SOME guys. NOT ALL of them, but for more than it should be!

There isn't a single question that doesn't have something in the lines of "All women are evil", "Chivilary is dead because of the modern women", "Women can't fight their nature", "Feminism killed masculinity", etc etc etc.

I need to calm down, I am almost yelling as I write this! I am going to adress every issue. Nothing of what I am going to say here is new. There have been plenty of women here complaining about this and even a few guys. The ladies already made some posts about it. Now I reached the point where I am to embarassed by my own to not leting them have a piece of my mind! So it's guys turn to try to wake our brothers up!

That is me on the right and you on the left! Open that PC and take notes!

WOMEN ARE ALL EVIL

They are bad? We are way worse guys!

I am sorry it hurted when that girl laughed at you for asking her out. I know that you get angry when you hear about a guy that got cheated on and still lost his house, money, kids and will to live on the divorce. Guess what we all fell that way! And you know who else? Girls! Ya girls! They also get hurted when their boyfriends cheat on them and rub it in their faces after. They also feel angry when two guys rape a girl in the bathrrom, there is proof of it all, but they are set free because it was a case of "mutual seduction" (this was a recent event in my country).

People are evil and the world is not fair! So yes shit happens! Bad people hurt others. Women do it, men do it! Stop generalising and victimizing yourself it's pathetic. You look like those mental feminazis on the street claiming a guy raped them for looking at them.

CHIVALRY

Feeling like a boss!

I want every guy that thinks chivalry it's just another social norm to benefit women to get inside a cabin, together with every girl that thinks that for some reason it's a concept that opresses them. Please all get insed get nice and confortable while I block the exists and set it on fire!

Forget that ancient defenition of chivalry. Today is just being a polite and well mannered gentleman. It is not some social norm to appeal to women! I feel manly as hell doing this. I am the man! Being chivalrous is just being a boss ass man! Yes, that includes paying for dinner, holding a door for her and other sympathies. I once runned more than five minuts in heavy rain just to get my car to a restaurant entrance, just so my girlfriend wouldn't get wet since we didn't had an umbrella. Are you afraid that because of feminism women will dislike this and be offended and yell at you? Great no second date bullet dodged! See how easy it is?

FEEL LIKE A MAN!

If you don't have this you don't feel like a man?

I need to talk about this next to get one thing straight! If a girl pay the bill, hold the door, makes more money than you, is smarter than you, is stronger than you, makes the first move and talk back at you instead of just shuting up do you feel less of a men? If you do my friend I am so sorry for the departure of your testicles! I had a guy call me a cuckold just because my fiancee makes more money than me!

Do you need to have a clear superiority to her in everything or else you don't feel masculine? Do you need to have a woman under your control to feel like a man? Then you have no idea of what your worth as a man is! We are here to be more than physical protectors and providers. They don't admit it, but even strong independent women are way more emotional than us. So that feeling, that will that you have inside to protect and provide comes here! Be the her emotional pilar, be the voice of reason and no matter how bad things are you provide them with your support and logical thinking. Stay strong with your head up and so will she. We have a fire inside of us that they use to keep themselves warm! Use it!

MGTOW, INCELS AND OTHERS

This is the wrong path!

Those groups are traps for the week, the wounded and the stupid. Just because there is a group of people that thinks like you doesn't mean thay are right! There is a very big group of people that actually believes the earth is flat! Look I get it, they make people feel like they are not alone and that what happened so far wasn't their fault. That can be really apealing. But it's nothing more than closing your eyes to reallity to ease your pain.

They talk about reallity, that in reallity girls can't escape their "female nature". So they only stay with you until a better one comes along, that they are not capable of love, they just want chad/alphas, etc. Do you want to recieve reallity? Here it is... You don't get girls because you are not good enough! Ya I said it! Do you really think that just because you are nice girls want you? That being a lazy ass is going to get you anywhere? No! The hardest thing in the world is looking in the mirror, admit it "I suck!" and after that fighting with all you have to suck less. Been there done that! Start working out, read more, get a hobbie outside, learn a skill, do something! Anything, but blaming the world instead of yourself! Do you want a good girlfirend? Turn yourself into the best boyfriend first!

SLUT SHAMING

This needs to stop!

This one was one of my inspirations to write this. In a week I saw two almost 40's year old men, on diferent questions, going mental on 18 and 19 year old girls for admiting that they liked sex. Calling them pieces of garbage among other things. I need a deep breath... The fact they were old enough to be their fathers and they should have more maturity than to get triggered by basically kids is sureal. Besides that, two options here. Either they were cheated on before or they envy how easy it is for girl to have sex.

Slut shaming is a way to control women sexual impulses so that some men don't feel so bad. Then they use as an excuse that they have no morals, that they don't want used goods, bla bla bla. A women 's sexual history doesn't define her dating value! It's just sex! Doesn't change anything about you. Zero. None. Everyone has the right to have as much consented sex as they want. As long as they are not cheating and taking proper precautions there is nothing wrong with it. The amount of sexual partners a women had has nothing to do with her being a loving, caring and faithful girlfriend or not! And that is final!

DATING/RELATIONSHIPS

Know your worth and hold them responsable for what they do.

Stop licking the floor they step on! That is the basic point. Yes because in this topic you need a slap on the other direction! So much hate, but a girl smiles at you once and you are begging for her to do it again. It's pathetic! Do you know what is funny? It's not their fault that they feel like they don't need to put any effort to get a guy. It's not their fault that they think they can get away with anything. It's our's! We are to blame for this because we give them to much attention and we do let them get away with anything! Do you want to know what to do? It's easy say "fuck it" more often, have some freaking pride and hold them responsable for what they do. To be more especific:

-> Stand up for yourself! If she disrespect you I don't care how perfect her tits are you act on it!

-> Say no! Say no a lot! You have no idea the power this word can have on them. Test it!

-> Know your worth! That means if you called her twice and she doesn't call back for a long time you say "fuck it". If and when she calls back make her work for it now.

That means if they don't treat you right and expect you do give them the world, say "fuck it" and dump them.

-> Don't give them so much attention! What do you think that would happen to girls on Instagram if guys stopped liking their pics? They love that attention. Make it stop and watch them hunt for it. Works with sex too!

-> Hold them accontable for what they do. If they yell at you, yell back. If they punch you in the face, give them a punch in the face! And if they screw up don't let them get away with it by blowing you!

Don't think that I am insulting women with this! They are awsome, but like I said bad people exist so let's act according to that.

IN THE END

I am waiting a lot of anger for this. Coming from guys and girls. Well bring it! I will defend my ideas against all of you if I need to!

I know that nothing will change and that this is bound to happen as long as there are weak minded guys out there. Still I needed to get this out of my sistem. I am happy if this gave some light to a single guy. Women are not monsters. They bite, but in a good way. And if needed we can bite harder my friends. They can be the best in your lives. Let them and stand tall and pride right beside them.

Thank you for your attention.

[Miss_Savanna_Dry]

Thank you. I've already got into a heated argument on Gag about this topic with men. Most of them insulting me when I bring up this topic. Someone could simply ask "what's your favourite pizza" and there would be a guy making comments about how women are shit because they can't cook blah blah. There isn't a single question being asked without a few men somehow bringing women into the topic when it clearly has nothing to do with the question itself. Us women aren't perfect but neither are you men. We all have fucked up somewhere in our lives, we have all hurt someone that didn't deserve it, we have all been cruelly rejected by the opposite sex, we have all been mistreated and used, we have all if not most, been cheated and lied to, we have all at some point blamed the opposite gender for some sort of problem we're going through. We all have problems. Women are not more evil, nor are men more evil than women. There are good and bad apples in both genders.

To all the men that feel hatred towards women that have belittled you, rejected you because of your appearance or financial situation. Fuck them. Move on. Iv had my fair share of rejection on a number of different things, you don't see me raging on about men about how shit they are when someone asks a simple question about food or nature or a city.

This piece of writing, it is very accurate. Men give women the power. I'm not saying hold power over them but don't let them have it all and treat you less than you deserve. If they do then move on. Stop giving them attention, stop running after them. I fully agree with this piece of writing. Some of it is the harsh truth for both men and women.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

You must have encountered so many of the guys that I speak of to say "Thank you". Like you said any question here is good to bash women. That is bad, but I am glad that you liked it and that you understood that this was meant to be a wake up call to guys about how they treat girls and how girls treat them. Hope eveyones picks up on that.

Thanks for the imput.

[hughfraser]

No one on earth is perfect, as they in the The Good Life Pobody's Nerfect!

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@Miss_Savanna_Dry I will get in touch by discord soon. Hope you are well.

[Anonymous]

Ok I have a lot to say about this:

1. No one ever denied that men are scumbags too. There are bad men and women and there will always be bad men and women. The reason why everyone is talking about women being toxic nowadays is due to many feminist acts in place such as the Duluth model that pretty much says that women are never the abusers (there is a Wikipedia page on this). While about half of IPV cases are reported to be mutual 70% of the non mutual cases are perpetuated by women (this was founded by a study done by the CDC in 2007). This model is now allowing women to play the victim if their partner fights back and the partner will be to blame for it and probably arrested. Also, have you ever heard of a woman named Erin Pizzey? She attempted to open an abuse shelter for both men and women in the UK but she ended up being threatened to death and bomb threats from feminists to the point where she had to flee to Canada (you can find her interview on you tube). I also had an abusive mother growing up who bites the head off of anyone who makes any simple mistakes and assaulted those who try to defend themselves. She made my dad, little sister and my life miserable at home and she loves to play the victim as if our very existence was meant to make her suffer. Call it a bias if you want but I can sense that something’s up.

2. I agree with the chivalry thing but you later say not to give her too much attention. I’m sure there is a line somewhere that dictates whether you do too much or too little but it’s impossible to find out because she will be gone once you find it and I bet every girl has the line in different places.

[Opinion Owner]

3. I agree with this one too but I’m pretty sure you would be whistling a different tune if your girlfriend emasculates you (on purpose) every time the subject of something that she can do better than you comes up.

4. I agree with this one too but the biggest problem for the thing that keeps the guys who close themselves off isn’t the lack of confidence, it’s keeping it once they have it. They might finally have the balls to have a girlfriend but he can do everything right but she leaves him for another asshole who treats her like shit anyway (this happened to me too). After the grueling process of gaining the balls to get the girl they are crushed and he has to start from square one. C’est la vie I guess.

5. First, in my experience I have never met a man who slut shamed a woman ever. I have heard plenty of other women do it though. I would say you might be projecting but you are also a dude. All that said I think you are pointing the finger at the wrong group. The reason I believe women slut shame other women is that they see each other as competition just as we see other men. See, men have no time limit to reproduce, we can make as much sperm as we want until we die. Women on the other hand has until menopause to have a baby. That’s why their standards tend to be high. If they see another woman being a slut, they feel they have to lower their standards in order to compete and risk having children with less desirable genes. Another thing, dating history does define value. I’m sure both genders wouldn’t want someone who slept with 20 other people and had them all fail on top of them being very likely to carry an STD.

Other than that, I like what you wrote.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

1. Radical feminists that don't believe that women can be abusers and make death threats can cause some trouble, but they are not by far the majority of the population. Not even close. Most women believe in men abuse. Also the majority of house abusers are men. In my country alone in 3 months died 11 women at the ends of their husbands THIS YEAR!

2. When I say give little attention I meant the guys that go to social media filling their inbox with likes and creepy texts. If you are on a date yes you should give them attention. All of it.

3. The first time she tries she won't be my girlfriend anymore.

4. That is a hard situation yes. That would be devastating no question. I agree with you. But one can't sulk and stay down forever. Have a recovering period then slowly get back on track. Sorry for what happened to you.

5. Neither have I in person. But I saw plenty guys doing it here. Two 40 year olds insult teenage girls left and right just for liking sex? Boy I was pisssed! I gave them both hell. Let other women do that then. No reason for us to do it.

Thank you for your reply. I like a healthy discussion.

[Opinion Owner]

1. What country do you live in? I was mainly going off statistics from the US.

2. Ok that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up

3. Let’s say after one year of being in a relationship and you are taking our girlfriend to work. It is raining outside and the usual drop off point is packed with cars so you decide to park as close to the point as you could. You have five minutes until you need to be at work too so you couldn’t walk her in. When you park she explodes in rage saying that you are a horrible person for making her walk in the rain (she has never raised her voice at you the entire time you knew her so it shocked you). The two of you bicker for a bit and she eventually storms out of the car. When you come pick her up, she is still pissed and told you that you could have dropped her off at the back. Before you could say “that would have been great to know earlier” she then says “I don’t know why I am even telling you this because I know you won’t change”. This is absolutely shocking to you because you have never seen her act this way. Would you assume that she had a bad day or should you have broken up with her right then and there?

4. As I said before, recovering from a trough point in your life, it is hard not to be brought back to square one as soon as evidence that you are pathetic shows up again. Any tips on how to stop that?

5. 40 year olds huh? At that age they are probably pulling a “back in my day” bullshit. grown adults have been doing that since the 1920s in America.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

1. I am Portuguese.

3. Neither. After that I would have a really serious talk with her. There are clearly some issues that need to be adressed. The status of the relationship would depend on how that talk went.

4. Being left by your girlfriend doesn't make you pathetic my friend. She just wasn't the one. I don't like when both men or women beat up themselves right away after being dumped. Not all the time was their fault. Sometimes they were just not compatible with the other person. Have your time to grief KNOWING THAT YOU ARE NOT PATHETIC and then just get back in the dating game. She is out there you just need to find her.

5. It was so bad! Old enough to be their fathers!

I am really enjoying this conversation. The only one that could desagree/question me on some points without insulting me. You are a good man

[Wowgirl30q]

They always do

[Opinion Owner]

1. Ah ok thanks for clearing that up

3. Yeah, that was something that actually happened to me. Her boss is actually a horrible person so I thought she is doing it out of rage because she can’t take it out on her boss. After she quit it didn’t stop and that was when I should have had a talk with her.

4. I understand what you are saying but I know there are a lot of men out there like me who were abused by their mother. Being told that they will never be successful in life, never be able to hold a job, never go to college and most importantly, never be able to find a woman who loves me. All just for asking for help on math homework. She will also get violent if you ask her what that has anything to do with the situation I am in to begin with. Not just to me but my entire family too. She just told my little sister the other day that she has the power to completely isolate her in the house and take all the money that she earns from her job for herself. All for not having her room clean to her standards which must be perfect at all times.

I left that house thinking that women are too serious natured to think anything is funny, not sure why any woman would want a man because they all think men are just too stupid to deserve an inkling of respect and it baffles me how it is possible for a man and a woman to coexist peacefully without being at each other’s throats all because one of them dared to ask the other what they want to do for dinner that night.

That was why my last relationship was so special to me. I fell in love with the nicest woman I have ever met who also fell in love with me and it went against everything I learned as a child and I was glad I was proved wrong. We lasted a year and she left with a very vague reason and got together with another dude a couple months later and left me mentally back at square one. I know I am not pathetic but every time I try to prove that I am not I fall on my face.

5. Yikes. I’m glad you told them off then.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I am sorry that things haven't worked out for you yet. But they will! Don't stop living my friend. Keep moving foward and things will come to you.

[Opinion Owner]

Thank you!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I feel for my own. Guys, I get why you get frustrated ↗

[EmperorOfRussia]

I actually agree with most of what you saud in your take, it could be a nice shot, if not for some real issues there...

Let's just start:

"A women 's sexual history doesn't define her dating value! It's just sex! Doesn't change anything about you."

Stop pretending a woman's sexual history doesn't define her dating value, or maybe even her personality. We all know that we wouldn't date a prostitute or a girl who has weird fetishes and banged every single creature in our eyesight. If you'd date a girl like that, that's a sign that you flushed your honour down the toilet. Sorry to say. Don't expect another man to be like that.

Do you know why a promiscuous woman just can't make faithful, caring and loving girlfriends? Because that treat is linked to a lack of self-control and irresponsibility, led by ANXIETY or by a PERSONALITY DISORDER. None of that is desirable traits in a committed relationship. Would you date a woman who has no control over her sexual urges? Or another who uses sex as a tool for personal gains? Or another who want to bang another guy in front of you? (By promiscuous, I'm not talking about the number of committed relationships someone had, but the habit of indulging in casual sex, fetishes, "friendship with benefits", whatever. The more of it, the more confused will be the woman in a committed relationship, because of the baggage that comes with them.)

This nihilistic idea that "sex is just sex", or -- even worse -- that sex is a "right" and a "value" by itself is exactly what creates monsters like incels and MGTOWers, although I never saw them here in Europe and it seems to be an American phenomenon only. If sex is a right, and there are guys who are not getting it, that's not hard to foresee how much increasingly embittered they will be. They will feel their "rights" are being infringed... That's another example of how stupid ideas create troubles for everyone. In addition to that, those kinds of "men" are worthless themselves, have absolute no value in their lives, but demand women a high moral value that they can't themselves offer in return.

I don't think we should "slut shame" a girl for nothing, usually if we say "I don't date a promiscuous girl" is good enough and life goes on. But we can't just misguide other men to think a girl like that could make a great girlfriend or wife because it's just possible as winning the lottery.

Despite of that, I think this take was great!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I am not pretending. It doesn't. Yes I wouldn't date a prostitute, but I would date a porn star! They have very strict health regulations unlike prostitutes. So the number of partners is not the issue here. My honour stays right where it is.

Why the hell if a girl likes sex and has it with a romantic partner, she doesn't have a personality disorder, if it is with a stranger she does? People need to accept that it is possible to separate sex from emotions. It's just sex done for pleasure and fun. We all like to do it and that is not why we have some personal disorder.
I had one night stands before, does that mean I can't control my sexual urges?
Wanting to bang another guy in front of me is not related to the number of sexual partners, is related to a fetish. She can be a virgin and have that fetish.
What is confusing about it? "I want to have sex, so I will pick up a guy tonight that also wants it and do it. It's a random guy I don't love him and I am just doing this for sex". It's not confusing at all. Again it's very easy to separate things.

But sex is just sex! I am not sure about calling it a right and it certainly isn't a value. That is giving it more importance than what it has.
I know right? Never meet a single mgtow or incel in Europe also.
Everyone has the right to say yes and everyone has the right to say no to sex. That is it, again simple. No one is saying that sex is something that must be given to them besides incels.

What is your definition of a promiscuous girl? How many guys she must have before being called that? The one that had 3 night stands over her life did it for the same reason the one that had 50 did. Why we judge one more?

Look I get that, generally speaking, girls that had lots and lots of sexual partners are trashy. Not a rule, but usually they are. Thing is this is not always true. I know some slutty girls that are great people and are current in long relationships. We should always judge people individually.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

If not even a girl that has sex with one radom guy will be labeled a slut.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

And thank you. Glad you enjoyed my take.

[EmperorOfRussia]

Boy, this is not about "strict health regulations", it's about HONOUR, and -- sorry to say -- you don't seem to be the type who cares about it. A relationship is not like a stupid hookup, it demands moral requirements to work out. What's the morals of a former porn actress? What are their high ideals? Do you think it's fair that you are giving a rubbish of future to your kids just because you thought it was cool to be with a porn actress? Your kids will grow up ashamed of you, after hearing from their little buddies "hey, isn't your mother in this 'anal groupsex #40?". How is it fair?

Romantic partners? Do you really think a romantic partner could be someone we just met a hour ago? Your point about liking sex is moot, who doesn't like sex? I like it a lot, that's why I'm married. But I will not throw my honour away and risk my health and reputation just to "have fun". That would be stupid. Having sex is not my first priority in life, so I don't feel the need to treat women like a sex toy, a tool intended to please me. So why should I accept a woman who treats men as sexual objects? This is the logical implication of your idea that "it's possible to separate sex from emotions". Well, it can be to sociopaths, since most of us are not one, your way of thinking is somewhat dangerous to be taken seriously.

Don't you know how to spot a promiscuous girl? Or are you just trying to relativize this subject just to fit your views about morality (which you deny its importance) and relationships (which seems to not having any other mean but about selfishness)?

Indulging in sex parties, having weird fetishes, having a rep of being manipulative and using sex as a tool for whatever reason (either to fulfill a mindless desire of having fun or to achieve things), having no dating standards (or even some standards for an one night stand)

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I almost forgot this take existed. I still have to give some answers so very well let's do it...
Believe it or not I do care about honour a lot, but my concept of it is probably very different from yours.
What sex has to do with morals? Morals are about what is right and what is wrong. What makes someone a good or a bad person. Having sex doesn't determine in any way if a person is good or bad.
A poor future to my kids? Why her profession will give a bad future to my kids? She actually makes a lot of money and can put them in great schools. Their colegues don't need to know who their mother is. Even if they find out, so be it. Pornstars have the right to be mothers. The moking the kids are going to hear because of it doen't make them less fit to be mothers. Do you know what makes a good mother?

When I said romantic partner I meant somene she was in a relationship with. I was asking why, according to you, having sex a romatic partner is not a personality disorder, but with a stranger is.
A one night stand will not stain your honour and as long as you use protection, will not put your health and reputation at risk. So ya you can have fun.
it is possible to separate sex and emotions without being a sociopath. When a guy or a girl want sex, and just sex, they can go out and try to get it. At the end of the day they just wanted to have some pleasure, nothing wrong with that. Doesn't make the have a mental disorder.

My only point is let people do what they want with their lifes. A promiscuous girl or a promiscuous guy are not doing anything to others that they don't want. Everyone has given consent so why judge them after? Again it's just sex, having it a lot will not make you a worse person.

What is wrong with a sex party? Many people want it, so they have it. What is wrong with weird fetishes? No one can chose what turns them on. Everyone has fetishes. Why are the wrong? What is wrong with just wanting sex?

[EmperorOfRussia]

It's only getting worse...

Look, people hear this rubbish all the time, yet we are still seeing too much people suffering because they don't know how to develop any real bond with others. So, instead of improving people's lives, these unreal ideas about dating, relationships and sexuality are just not working out: it's making everyone's life worse, to be honest. Do you really think a person who indulges in compulsive sex to relieve anxiety is happy? Are you this crazy?

This stupid kind of clichés like "let people do what they want with their lifes" is just moot. Am I holding a gun to anyone's head and forcing them to be like me? No. They can do what they want, I'm just not obliged to praise one's own stupid choices and accept them in my life, and I suggest every sane person to do the same. That's it.

[EmperorOfRussia]

You fail to realize that just having sex is not the point here. I had and have it a lot. But without deceiving women, treating them as a disposable tool for my pleasure, as a piece of meat, without indulging in those disgusting, dishonourable sex parties, without doing anything that could make me feel ashamed of myself, because that's what is honour about: reputation. And I can say I'm proud of myself because I know my value, I can hold my head up high because there's nothing to tarnish the reputation of a man who has control over himself and know what he is doing. If people who behave like monkeys think they have a shred of honour, even keeping in mind that they sacrifice everything in their lives to have some minutes of "fun", that is just wishful thinking, wanting it to become true will not make it true...

[EmperorOfRussia]

"What sex has to do with morals? Morals are about what is right and what is wrong. What makes someone a good or a bad person"

Now you killed yourself in this discussion...

So a rapist and a pedo could claim that they are not bad people, because - OH! - you believe that "having sex doesn't determine in any way if a person is good or bad". Sorry, boy! Your sexual interests (and past as well) doesn't just determine if you are a good person (in case of normal, well-adjusted people), a bad person (in case of pedos and rapists, or sociopathic, manipulative women and men), but also your level of MATURITY. Someone who claims that sex is all about "fun" and consequences don't matter if there's just "consent", well, this type just doesn't score high on maturity. This reckless way of thinking is typical from ADULT CHILDREN, and we can't say they "bad" (or good either) per se, but they are types that everyone should rule out as a potential partner. You can't expect a great life if you choose to live with a childish soulmate.

People are really not getting their lives improved by moral relativism and materialism... Just how many times do I have to say it?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I never mentioned that having sex to relieve anxiety was a good thing! I have always mentioned having sex for pleasure and fun, not to run away from mental issues.
How the hell is someone going to lose his/her ability to bond with other by having sex? People look less for a serious relationship, yes they do. But what is wrong with that? In due time, when they want they will. Let people do what they want with their lives. Speaking of it, you are right you are not forcing anyone to do what you want. And you have every right to dislike of their decisions.

Honour is about reputation? So one can cheat on his wife and as long as no one finds out you sir are a honorable person. Not really right?
As long as she is there for the same thing, just wants me for sex, I am not mistreating or disrespecting her in any way.
What do they sacrifice? What am I giving up of when I have a one night stand?

Are you serious? Do you really think I am not talking about consentual sex within legal age? When I say sex I mean between two consented adults! Rapes and acts of pedophilia make you a bad person by just doing it once with one person! Sex with another consented adult doesn't makes you a bad person no matter with how many and how many times! We are clear now?
What the hell maturity has to d with sexual desire? You can have urges and the way you release them is what defines your maturity. An example... I really want sex. I get a girl and we go to her place. At the last minute we find out we don't have condoms. If I still have sex with her I am a stupid, reckless and immature child. If I go to buy some or simply leave them I am a responsable mature adult. My actions and decisions about sex determine my maturity, not the sexual act itself.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I feel for my own. Guys, I get why you get frustrated ↗

[TonyBologna25]

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but there’s a serious issue going on when divorce rates at over 50% tagged along with infidelity rates rising as well. There’s also a major problem when the US justice department still favors a woman over a man in almost any given divorce case. There’s a problem with promiscuity as well.

To suggest that third-wave feminism has absolutely nothing to do with the dynamic shift between man and woman is not logical. I feel as if men need to speak out against these things without being labeled as bitter or deemed as irrelevant when mentioning the issues we face.

I think I’m a fairly rational individual, and all the women in my life agree with me on these views that I have as well. If women want to be treated with chivalry, then they should do the same. All to many women in our generation want to have their cake and eat it to. There are consequences to sleeping around for years in end and statistics show this. Men and women negatively judge promiscuous behavior, and it’s for legitimate reasons.

As far as feeling like the man? Well my dad and the rest of the men in my family are Type A personality types. They’re the breadwinner. They provide for their families and women, and therefore call most of the shots. I believe based on biological logic, that women are naturally submissive and willingly submit to a man they see fit. It’s not a control thing or a malicious thing. The man seeks out and makes moves in the best interest of his family and wife.

This progressive ideology that there are no gender roles within a relationship, or shouldn’t be is extremely toxic towards marriage and society. This is how we biologically operate, and this is really the first time in history we’re challenging that, and the repercussions are self explanatory. Depression rates are at all time high in women, so it’s make women miserable too.

So you can be as progressive as you want. But I’m a little more traditional and it’s okay that we have a difference of values, but to suggest that people who carry different values other than your own are to be deemed as “not real men” is completely asinine and the very definition of bigotry.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Yes divorce rate is 50%. So I shouldn't marry based on that? If people based their lifes around statistics no one would leave their house or play the loterry. That is the only statistic everyone knows by heart and cares about for some reason. It's an indicator, yes. But I am not going to let it define an important life choice that is more than anything up to to me and my judgement of what the future will be. I am not worried about the loyalty of my faincee. I know she is just mine and always will be.

They have had an influence on a very small portion of the population. I know that it might look like they actually created a big movement that the majority follows, but no. Media and social networks have that power. to give that impression. Reality however is that mot even 25% of the UK population calls themselves feminists. I am ust using UK as an example here.

Like I said to another guy here, yes one should give and recieve in a relationship. To say that most of women today have the mindset that you described is where we disagree. Most of them also want to give. Don't let the stupid masses sell you the wrong idea. Go out, talk to people and will see that usually we are the ones that get more than what we give.

They can judge yes, but thery are judging someone just for liking to have some fun. Tow quetions... 1. Did you use proper precaution? 2. Did you cheated on anyone? If 1 is yes and 2 is no then... well you cans till judge. You just don't have real reason for it.

Not everyone wants to be the the house leader and the major breadwinner.
For example, I call the shots in my house, but my fiancee makes more than me. I like to be in charge and she likes to be more submissive. It's about attitude not income.
Now if anyone wants it to be the other way around, as long as both want that, we are no one to point fingers.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I believe that the men should be strong. I believe that the women should be strong. I have an strong and independent women at home. The problem is people are too insecure. A man need to feel bigger or he doesn't feel like a man. Screw that! That is being weak not strong.

People can be conservative. They can be conservative and real men. What they can't do is complain all the time. That doesn't sound like something real men do.

[TonyBologna25]

Men and women are biologically different, and therefore give and offer different things in a relationship. It's not all about giving or all about taking, as people are much more multi-dimensional in their personalities than that. But to suggest there isn't a fundamental difference between men and women is factually false.

Women have entirely different endocrine system with more estrodial than men which leads to more nurturing and emotional behavior. Men are more testosterone driven and produce 7x more than women, which correlates to aggressiveness and the urge to lead. The way our brains work are differently as well. Harvard studies confirm that men utilize the left side of their brain moreso than women, which is the logical side... and this is why men still dominate STEM fields by a long shot, considering these are very logically driven fields.

So considering all this, tagged a long with a lot of other differences in upbringing, we offer different things in a relationship. Also, your story of your fiancee making more than you, that's great that you're still dominant in your relationship, but she logically has the upper hand to dominate given that she provides more stability than you. Your case is more anecdotal than anything.

I'm conservative, and the problem I have is that progressives labeling people with my views as not being real men or being insecure because of their values. I don't believe I'm insecure by default because of my views. Men are facing a lot of issues in modern society, and not voicing these issues in fear of being negatively judged by others is weak in my opinion. No, there's a lot of issues men are facing in modern society, and I'll speak about them if it's brought up.

Your definition of strength is going to be different than a lot of others. My definition of strength in this given context is being able to voice these issues without fear of negative judgement or titles. Third-wave feminism in the US (where I live) is absolutely toxic.

[TonyBologna25]

And of course there are outliers just like anything in life. If a progressive dynamic works for some people, then it works, and I'm not going to hate on them. Having said that, I'm speaking on behalf of the majority of the population.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Oh I love that biological argument.
Biology creates a tendency, yes. That doesn't mean that it will always be the way that things go. And society can work with that.

I also love the "she makes more so she is dominant". Yes she makes more. So what? I don't need her to buy stuff I have money. We both give an equal amount for expenses and we keep for ourselves.

What issues are they facing? That is what I don't understand! Women have jobs now. Is that the issue. If that is enough to make you feel less of a man? Let them. It's good that they also bring money home. That they also have education. That they are stronger. To say they are stronger is not the same as saying we are weaker.
If we complain that they are stronger, now that makes us weaker!

I don't think that you are. Many people have no issue with women making money now. Also feminism has much less power than what people give it credit for. In the UK less than 25% of people consider themselves feminists.

[TonyBologna25]

The issues we are facing at a steady inclination in divorce, depression, and infidelity. It's higher than we've ever seen it in history. Biology is the foundation as to why things are the way they are in regards to gender and societal roles between women and men. Societal reasoning is secondary next to biology. This is because these societal roles between men and women weren't created in the ether, but rather it's ingrained within our biological makeup.

I'm also not saying she's dominant by default because she earns more. What I am however saying, is that she is more inclined to take the domineering role considering she can offer stability better than you can. It's not that black and white.

I also have no problem with women making money and having an education. No issue at all. Both of my serious relationships were with highly successful women. I still believe that a dynamic still needs to exist between man and women for a relationship to function properly though.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Divorce has a half success rating since I can remember. Depression is not only caused by human relationships and men are more infidel than women. I really don't see what is the issue and the reason to get so work up about.

More often than not those roles vindicate! Most men are dominant and women submissive. The dynamic that you believe in hasn't changed much. Again no reason to get worried. Things are the way they always were. The dynamic changed a little and for better if you ask me.

[TonyBologna25]

I'm not suggesting the depression is the direct and absolute reason to depression rates rising within women in the US right now, but there is at least a notable correlation coefficient. There was a study I read a couple months ago that got a population sample from a questionnaire that gauged if they were more progressive and if they had depression. I'll have to find that and post it, but it was an interesting read.

Testosterone levels have also dramatically declined in the past 50 years within men, so that also has something to do with societal and gender roles. Men are definitely becoming less dominant and women are definitely becoming less submissive. It's creating this toxic dynamic in marriage and relationships in my opinion.

So if your dynamic works for you, then I'm not going to hate it on dude. If you two are happy, so be it. I simply have different values and seek a more traditional relationship which is okay as well. But I believe in from a general standpoint, that the progression is and has been heading in a toxic direction. I just wish conservatives and progressives can get to a point we're we don't have to name call and just recognize that we have different values.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I don't think we are that different. We both believe on traditional gender roles. I just think that the changes that are occoring don't defy them that much. This is why I wrote this. I don't think there is any need to complain about change. Let it come and keep being yourself no matter what others or society says.

[TonyBologna25]

Yeah, I think we have some common ground, but I wouldn't say our views are identical by any means. My ex was making more money than me for a while, and it didn't honestly bother me too much, but it probably would it this was ongoing indefinitely for the fact that I was raised with values to be able to provide for my wife and family. I've always wanted to give my future wife the opportunity to work part time or stay at home raising the kids because I feel like most women would prefer this as they are biologically much more nurturing by nature in comparison to us men.

I'm now rich due to an unexpected hefty inheritance I received, and it would be difficult for me to find a woman who earns more than me. I don't feel like I've earned this but that entirely different story lol. I definitely want to continue to invest, and provide for my future wife, and family for many more generations to come, giving them the best life I can. I feel like that's an innate desire for most men. Less often do you see this strong desire with women. It's not sexist, it's just reality. This is why men typically make better providers and still continue to provide more so than women.

It's not a matter of absolute inferiority or superiority either, because women can kick ass at a lot of things over men as well. We're just different is all. We offer different things. Outliers exist, and I fully recognize them, but again I'm speaking on behalf of the general population.

I think we can both agree to disagree, and that's fine. I'm not looking down on you as a person, and I hope you're not looking down on me. Diversity is great and something that balances everything out. I welcome you to share your views, just as everyone else. Doesn't mean we have to agree with them.

I'm genuinely glad you found a healthy relationship with your girl. Marriage is a huge step and can be beautiful if done with the right person. Best of luck to you and congratulations man.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Thaks man!
I hope that you find what you look for too. You have good morals and values. Just different concerns than me. You have my respect. Best of luck.

[Wowgirl30q]

Awesome

[Grobmate]

My dear fellow, you put a lot of effort into posting about the old ways and it is heartening to read.

However; it appears that you haven't the slightest idea just how twisted and gynocentric the devorce and family legal systems are. I suspect that you have not lost a house, your kids or your retirement benefits, because if you had you would not be in here diluting its significance, or declaring that every man has..

You do raise some very good points, however; in my country chivalry is indeed dead. It is dead because not only did feminism kill it off, but it also killed off the Ladies, (yes "Ladies" not women).

As an egalitarian, I champion rights for all. Modern society however; has no place for that, and that suits me just fine. There is nothing marriage can give me. There are however; many things it can take, which it has before. Never again.

I can date and do everything I could in a relationship with but one exception. Purpose for living. That is what true love is for a Man, (at least in my opinion). You use the term victim quite carelessly, though I give leniency on judgment, for English is not your primary language.

The word you are looking for is Survivor. MGTOW is not a defeatest mantra or some pathetic little sulking club and nor is it an ideaology. Equally important is that it isn't going to last forever (we hope).

It is a place where Men go when they are convinced that society and its conventions and doctrine have abandoned them. When it comes to rights, indeed it has.

No not all women are evil. No not all women will take your house, kids, retirement benefits either. The DIFFERENCE between Men and Women is society ENSURES THAT THEY CAN!

Family and devorce court is akin to being raped in a police station, while the Police and Judge help your rapist. Which is where the term devorce rape originated from.

No Sir, I thank you for your opinion but I'm not travelling that path again. I will love her until the day I die, though she gutted me, and I will cling to hope that one day I will see my children again. They will be all grown up and that time in their lives can NEVER be replaced.

And yet...

I don't hate Women. I don't hate anybody. Were it not for some good points raised, I would not be so courteous.

From the nature of your discussion,

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I never said it wasn't bad! Of course it is! I said that fear of it by the general population is tto out of porpotion. Not every single divorce case ends like that. I have my parents divorce as a good example. My mother got cheated on and never saw a cent of his money after divorce.

You mean you don't practice it. Doesn't mean every single guy there doesn't.

You are divorced then. Very well I get your position them. Still do you expect everyone to follow on that based on someone else experience and fear?

True love is pourpose for living? care to elaborate?
Also yes it's not my native language, but I used victim the way I wanted. Many guys victimize themselves.

"When it comes to rights, indeed it has" this has to be a joke. What rights you don't have sir?

AND SO CAN WE! Yes, courts are biased against men, but there are cases of men geting the custody, paid alimony, etc. It's just my country that actually has good divource courts?

Tell me something... Do you believe that every marriage is bound to fail?

[Grobmate]

82% of fathers get custody. And an even higher number are forced into paying Alimony.

Exactly what rights do you think men have Sir?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

So 18% of father do get their kids and many don't pay alimony, they actually get paid alimony. Just because it doesn't happen a lot doesn't mean its a right that we don't have.

Yes the court is favors the mother. Now go see how many of those times the father wanted to keep the kids. Go see how many times the divorce was because he cheated so the court ruled in favor of the mother. Go see who many of those times the father is a disgraced sod that can barely look out for himself.

Go see how many actually good fathers lost their kids to a clearly less capable mother!
Yes in case both are good parents the mother gets the kids. Is that fair, no! Is that what composes those 82%? Also no.

[Wowgirl30q]

@ThisIsMyOpinion
I hope you see the girls thanking you so much and we are like ducky said very proud. Takes a lot of guts to speak unpopular facts. We thank you

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Wowgirl30q I did it because I was honestly feeling my male pride hurt with some answers I saw from guys here. I wanted to make men be men again! Includingin how they treat you girls

[Wowgirl30q]

Old ways get pussy and good women he's smart.

[Grobmate]

@Wowgirl30q all women have pussies, and that is the great distinction between love and lust. If pussy, or dick is the defining reason for a person's values, then they have achieved nothing other than placing their only values on a commodity.

True love, and life long connection between a gentleman and a lady depends a great deal more on what happens outside of the bed than it does on between the sheets.

But hey, this is just my opinion. Any investment on dick or pussy alone is a bad investment. And I'm not just talking financial investment.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

She was saying that being a gentleman gets women interest in you.

She didn't say that sex is all that matters.

[whipitout]

Ok so I read it after you linked me 😊First up, I cracked up at the bit about locking the people inside and blocking the exits and setting them on fire 😂👌

I feel like it's hard because there are a couple of points where I'm not 100% on the same page as you, but also, you may just not have fully expressed your opinion on some of these things because otherwise it would've been a 40 page essay.

For example, I personally don't think that paying for dinner would be considered 'chivalry' in my books. But that being said, I appreciate your opinion on in in general.

I definitely think that guys shouldn't accept abuse or being mistreated, and both parties should have to put effort into getting or maintaining a relationship, rather than the girl get the guy to chase after her constantly. I don't think that necessarily means fighting fire with fire, so just because she doesn't call back, doesn't mean you have to make her life difficult, BUT, also doesn't mean you have to continue to put a lot of effort into getting that to work.

Just because I found it interesting, after several studies, there seems to be a desire from women in particular to feel like they are wanted and a desire from men in particular to feel like they have succeeded or achieved something, and that they are needed. So the guy having to put in a little bit of effort to 'chase' the girl and then 'win' her, does fulfil both of those desires for both parties. That doesn't make it the right thing, and there are obviously other ways to go about it, but I just thought it was an interesting article I read (I can't remember where I found it otherwise I'd link it).

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I accept other opinions it's fine. Yet I am curious, what do you consider chilvary then?

I agree that guys like to get the girl and girls like to feel like a guy wants to get them, but there is a limit. The guys shouldn't chase when the girl gave many signs she is not interested and the girls need to know when to stop playing hard to get before the guy just loses interest.

I am glad you liked it.

[whipitout]

The rest of what you mentioned I'd definitely consider chivalry. The typical opening doors, pulling out chairs etc.

I totally agree with you about the limit thing though. I think it's often way too much of a game and people make it much harder than it should be.

[Smegskull]

So your solution to men who are resentful about being unfairly shamed is to shame them and say they deserve it for not being as righteous as you?
I don't see this as working, all this is going to do is make the women these men take issue with for being hypocritical feel validated and entitled.

"People are evil and the world is not fair" most people agree. The thing they take issue with is we tend to punish evil men & forgive evil women and we try as a society to make the world fair for women while expecting men to make their world fair by themselves.

The chivalry problem is part of a larger issue being "what do men and women have to offer each other any more?" Women can't compete with porn and are rightfully unhappy about that and men can't compete with the welfare state and are rightfully unhappy about it. This just leaves both sides resentful which is not a great emotional state for cultivating chivalrous behaviour or a positive reception of it.

Feeling like a man isn't about control that is an over simplification. It is about being needed, the problem with strong independent women is "they don't need no man" and men often take their value in being needed. Just look at their career tactics, one of the best feelings in a man's career is knowing he has indispensable value to the company (it's why so many don't share knowledge, they don't want to lose their monopoly on something valuable to the company).

No on can escape their nature to claim otherwise is either foolish or arrogant. If men had control of their nature they would make themselves 100% attracted to the first woman to show interest in them just out of convenience. Maybe even just choose not to find women attractive and avoid the distraction all together.

You just spent a paragraph shaming MGTOW for having a lifestyle you disagree with but have a problem with slut shaming because people have no right to judge women for having a lifestyle they disagree with?

And then you tell men to act exactly as MGTOW advise for dating and relationships? Dude what the hell, did you and consistency have a serious disagreement over something life threatening?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Complaining to the level that is being done here makes no sense! Like I said yes some women are bad and they do bad things, yes. But, the level of overeating and projecting it into the entire female gender is riddiculous. I am not defending all women and attacking all men. I said "some" right at the begining.

I also said to stop licking the floor they walk on and to make them take responsability for their actions. That starts by not letting them treat you badly and the forgive them because you know boobs! I agree that society isn't fair when it comes to punish women. But the system is not fair when it comes to punish men either! There are much more rape cases dismissed in court them actual convictions. Much much more.

Can't compete with porn? When was it even a competition? They are flesh and bone and they are there next to us. Porn is just a way to get off. To have actual sex is much much better. And what do you mean by "can't compete with the welfare state"?

They might like they don't need us, but they do! Look if in a relationship you don't feel appreciated enough jump off. Don't stay. Let them learn that if they want us they need to shown us why they want us.

"100% attracted to the first woman to show interest in them just out of convenience". Really? I can't find the logic in this. What if I like the next one I see more? I am now 100% into this one so I can't seek a better one.

Difference is mgtow fill peoples head with lies. Provide confort to people in pain by telling them their pain will always be there as long as they interact with women. Thank God they are not that known or society would end.

[Smegskull]

I'm not defending them I'm criticising your approach by highlighting where it runs contrary to their world view. (You have to convince people with their own logic and perspective not with yours).

Those are dismissed due to lack of evidence (which is fair, convicting without evidence would be unfair).

Can't compete from an evolutionary drive the male drive is satisfied by porn and the female drive is satisfied by the welfare state. Those evolutionary drives are why we put up with a lot of each others crap.

Yes. If you could choose who and what you find attractive you would choose the most convenient thing... Just as if you could choose what job makes you the most money or what bed you found most comfortable or what streaming shows you found most entertaining. (This was the argument the gay community made years ago, "we can't choose what we find attractive, if we could we'd choose something with better prospects")

And to them they want comfort to their pain. Prevention methods like these are no use to people already burned. You are offering a vaccine to people who have already caught the disease, which at best is useless and at worst is downright insulting.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I will never convince them like that. So I am trying to show a new perspective. If that will work? Well it does something for someone.

In my country not long ago a girl was raped in a club by two guys. There are tons of evidence that they did it. They got released on the count of "mutual seduction".
In the first three months of this year, 11 women were killed by thier husbands. 5 of them had report them to the police before, some more than once. Nothing was done until they killed them.
I agree that proof must be presented. But even when it is nothing is done.

Again no clue what is "welfare state". Are you saying we take care of women for sex and they give us sex to be taken care of? It that is it then my girl makes more than me? Why does she also watches porn? Neither side need the other for those things anymore. Yet people are still together. Why? Because there is more to a relationship than an exchange of favors.

They can't help to like what they like. No one can. But we can look at something and think "hum I like that, but that is bad for me. So I go the other way". Doesn't work to change if you are attracted to women or not, but it changes what women you go for.

Dude: "Hey I hurt myself when I was running"
MGTOW: "Oh you did? Then why would you ever run again?"
Because that logic is going to help them down the line...

[Smegskull]

So who is your new perspective for?

Anyone can play anecdotes to make a gender look bad, in my country a woman stabbed her boyfriend several times and was let off with "I don't want to jeopardize her promising career". In most countries there is no legal statute for a woman from raping a man. Etc, etc.

Welfare, also known as benefits. That's not the only reason but it was the only guarantee (as you admit, "Neither side need the other for those things anymore" emphasis on need). People have had to find other reasons to be together and now divorce is up and relationships are down.

That is the MGTOW position. They look at women and think "I find women attractive but with the current social and legal environment a relationship with one is a high risk low reward investment for me". The difference between you and MGTOW here is not philosophy, you just have different results to your cost benefit analysis or different risk thresholds.

Hurt yourself running heals quickly, alimony lasts years... Also running is good for your health, a relationship is neutral at best.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

For angry guys. To show them there is no need to be so angry. That the world is not as dark as they think.

Again, I know both genders have stories to tell. But that is the point. Why victimizing yourself when everyone is on the same boat. I also shame women who complain too much. My sister is a feminist and I argue against her all the time. I don't know of a single developed country that has in it's constitution that a man can't be raped.

need to find other reason to be together? How about because they love each other? They want to spend their lifes together? Not enough?

I agree with you there. To me the "high risk low reward investment for me" just isn't true. So yes my cost benefit analysis are different. Because I see a low risk and a hight reward.

It was metaphor. So what a man should never try to have a partner again because things didn't work out with the first? That can prevent him from finding the love of his life.

[Smegskull]

I don't think telling them life isn't fair, deal with it will help, they haven't progressed to acceptance yet they are still in anger.

In the US I think it is defined as forced penetration so by virtue of the wording it precludes female perpetrators (unless we include trans women or girls that like strap-ons), there was a case recently where a girl forced her boyfriend at machete point or something and all they could charge with was assault & sexual assault because the law just isn't there for forcing someone to penetrate you.

I'm not saying other reasons can't exist, they just aren't evolutionarily mandated so you have to have a psychological reason (like love) which isn't necessarily universal rather than a physiological one which is.

See above, not all of us experience strong attachment emotions so the high reward isn't there (like rewarding someone who doesn't like chocolate with a mars bar.
The issue here is people like that don't empathize well so they just see romantics as offensively irrational rather than just having a different perspective or value system.

Depends how badly they didn't work out and how much he values love. Again this isn't a difference in philosophy just value structure and a lack of acceptance of each others value structures... That's all this is, you and MGTOW are insulted (or embarrassed as you put it) by what the other values.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

That is my fist point yes, that live is not fair. No matter if they want it or not that is something they have to accept.

Oh I saw that one too. Yes it was with a machete. It cause some controversy because she wasn't charged with rape. She was still charged. And you are telling me that ins't a single women convicted of raping a man in the US? It's all for sexual assault?
Well at least they are still put in jail. That is the end goal.

But why there must be a physiological reason. All that matters is a reason. And love is something that will always be a reason.

BIf you don't feel strong attachment and emotions for someone why would be with them in the first place?
To criticize someone for feeling love is anecdotical.

That is the point. The more he get's hurt the bigger is the possibility of him going that way. But we don't make good decisions when we are hurt like that. It's a decision made out of anger not racional.
We agree on the last sentence...

[Smegskull]

They have to accept it but just telling them to doesn't help (like telling a feminist to just accept that men are stronger than women. MGTOW and feminism have a lot of parallels like that)

Then the argument becomes disproportionate sentencing which is one of the MRA sticking points.

Because if the reason isn't a must not everyone will have it... Love won't always be a reason because not everyone can feel it.

Not someone, ANYONE. Some people can no more feel love than the blind can see. I don't think you know what anecdotal means here?

Exactly. I'm not saying they are right I'm just pointing out that your reasoning won't work on them because you are projecting your values onto them then appealing to those values but they don't actually have those values to appeal to.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

That was my approach. To tell them that reality is hard. If they can deal with that or not, well I hope they can. Or at least stick with the information that it is hard for everyone.

Yes we do get more jail time for the same crime. I never said we had it all good. But to say that the system doesn't care at all for men is wrong. That is my point here.

Wait... So if a person doesn't feel love they should have another reason to stay in a relationship with someone? Why?
Not everyone will feel love and the other ones well keep looking or do it for convenience.

It means a joke right? English is not my native language.

Oh I know they won't listen to me. I just hope potencial candidates to them will.

[Smegskull]

I don't think it will help but I'm not a psychologist.

They don't say the system doesn't care at all. They just say the game is rigged so don't play.

If someone can't love people why would they need a relationship?

No an anecdote is a story about something happening (anecdotal evidence is one of the most common fallacies).

... Ok but shaming people into conformity rarely works... Especially on men.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Neither am I. I just trying here.

It's not riggeed to that point. Again the opinion on the weight of cost benefit differs.

For convinience like money or pleasure. But those are bad reasons to be in a relationship. If one can't feel love then he shouldn't be in one.

I learned something. Thanks.

The idea is not to shame anyone. Just trying to give them motivation

[Smegskull]

As are they.

Yup.

Money is rarely a reason for a man to get into a relationship and as I said for pleasure there is now porn, That's MGTOW to a tee. "We don't feel love the way it's sold to us so don't get in a relationship".

Welcome

The problem is you're trying to give them YOUR motivation and what motivates you may well demotivate them.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I know. And I know how hard it is to feel like some of them do. I can't say I know what they all fell like because some of them are in way worse places than the one I came back from. So yes I want them to know what motivated me in order to help. I want them to know that not everything is as dark.

Porn is not nearly as good as actually having sex. I heard that before "We don't feel love the way it's sold to us so don't get in a relationship". Always thought that it meant that you guys saw love as one sided. Not that you didn't felt it.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I feel for my own. Guys, I get why you get frustrated ↗

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
Men can't be raped in the UK for example.
You are uninformed, making a fool out of yourself.
You got what you want, all the feminist girlies liked your opinion great.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj No, they can't and that law should be changed! They can at least be sexually assaulted and the women still get due jail time!
In my country men can be raped by women.

[Smegskull]

Rarely do they get "due jail time" a huge proportion of jail sentences are commuted especially when women have dependents.
There is an old saying "when the game is rigged, the only winning move is not to play." The inter gender game is rigged, we refuse to play.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Smegskull I don't have intel about the UK, but I can talk about my country and we are two and half hours away by plane. And here last year we had a record number of women killed by their husbands in the first 3 months of the year alone! Most of those women had begged police for help before and were ignored. Don't talk like there exists this bias against men and in favor of women. Shitty situations happen all the time to both sides!

@6suejsjsj See what I said? "when the game is rigged, the only winning move is not to play." This is fear! This is the fear that I see men here having and that I am sick of!

Why the hell is the game rigged? Why are you so scared of being around them?

[Smegskull]

Police response and court response are very different things. Courts can take time to consider all the information.
As for why the fear https://youtu.be/­DpZVBOnqOu0 kafka trap reinterpretation of laws should be scary. If you have any attachment to your freedom anyway.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Smegskull fine if you want to go there...
Again last year a girl was raped by a bouncer and a barman at a club. The incident got cought on camera! Both confessed. Both walked free.

Another incident. A husband found out he was being cheated on. Reached out for the lover and both together beat the wife with a bat with nails craved on it. Again both confessed, the woman lived but got disfigurated. The judge let them go because, I am not making this up I will put the link here if you want, "Being cheated on is the greatest humiliation for a man and so they were punished enough."

Court cases are what?

I can't open the video. Can you sent the link?

[Smegskull]

Ouch those are some pretty bad incidents... Are they statistically significant? Remember MGTOW isn't about other people (that's what MRAs are for) it's just about SELF preservation. Those two cases (if statistically significant) just indicate to me that maybe women should be going there own way too... Which actually I would prefer because then we could separate the tax system so we stop leaching off of each others' generated wealth.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Yes they are. Rape and assault being dismissed by trivialities is common.
Don't get me wrong of course men also have their problems in this world. And there are cases where falsely accused men have their life ruined and no one even hears him. Yes it happens! But it's so rare that is not even worth worying about.

[Smegskull]

It's not that rare... More accusations are proven to be false than proven to be true (though the vast majority live in the unproven either way space).

[Smegskull]

I personally would prefer contractual consent to guarantee no ambiguity but apparently that isn't sexy.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

According to the FBI false rape accusation are about 8%.

Are you that scared of having sex?

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion lol, most rape accusations never go to court so the amount of fake accusations could be as high as 70 percent.

8 percent of all those who go to court isn't exactly low.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj 8% of accusations made, not of the ones that get to court. The investigations don't start just when the trial starts you know? They take place before.

You are right most don't even go to court. So think of the amount of raped women that don't even get to see their rapist go to trial.

[Smegskull]

Is the difference between a relationship and porn/toys/escorts worth an 8% risk of total devestation? No, not really.
We don't know the amount for unsettled cases. You could equally say "just think of the amount of inocent men who pay a massive out of court settlement to save their livelihood and families from lies."

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
Lol, stop sprouting bullshit. That would be impossible to find out. You are simply making shit up.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

That's a very low probability of happening for you to scared it will happen to you.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj Go search it for yourself then. You see I am not making shit up.

[Smegskull]

If low probability was sufficient for taking risk women wouldn't cross the road to avoid men and carry mace in their purses...
Some of us just aren't risk takers. Difference is we don't try and shame people who are risk takers into thinking like us, we can tolerate diverse viewpoints.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion ok then this "study" is making shit up. They obviously can't know this, from where would they know this? Lol.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Smegskull I think that women who do that are also out of their minds...

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I am talking about the very same study you talked about!

[6suejsjsj]

The guy is just a complete fool, no point in arguing with a oblivious person like that.

He seriously believes in unscientific bullshit like the patriarchy and shit like that.

I feel actually sorry for him but what should you do. It's the low average intelligence that makes a good proportion of people think like that.

Also toxic masculinity to not being able to see men as victims.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I love how you assume stupid shit about me. I don't believe in the patriarchy! I agree with that it is bs. But that doesn't changed what I said! I find it funny that you talk about scientific facts but you only chose to believe the ones you give. Do you know how fucking idiotic that is? Fucking moron!

I just love idiots like you! Can only see one side and nothing more.
If you google search "false rape acusations" you will find a lot of cases. If you google "rapist walks away" you will also find lots of cases. You only search for stats that confirm what you believe. I
You are the misinformed gfool because you never tried to informed yourself about the struggles of the other side.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
I never said that women have no problems. You said that their problems are a lot worse which I obviously don't agree on.

So I have a balanced view while you have a radical one.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I never said that men don't have problems either. I know we do!

You just made up in that stupid head of yours that I don't.

[lucas262]

Well said,

But mgtow is not a group or a bandwagon its a philosophy
What it means to me is self improvement and learning male and female psychology,
I learned about biased laws against men, and on here, in life, and having 3 sisters i learned about shit women deal with it sucks.

I don't hate women, they cannot help their nature
Same with men but we can control our actions

Confident men don't hate women,
Confident men hold their values dying or not.
If im with a girl yeah i would treat her well but i won't give more than I receive.

This whole women/man hating thing is weak shit, when confronted with equal amounts of shit on both sides you have got to choose who you will be and what you will do/believe.

If you make yourself better for others it, s still about them not yourself.

Men make it so hard for other men
Women make it so hard for other women

Fuuuucki i do feel like saying fuck it to the whole goddamn game.

And no your points where sound.
Though I disagree with assuming everyone deserves chilviary just for having a vagina not man.

Also everyone likes sex who tf cares and no one should be bashed what they do or don't do the attention should be om the issues at hand never should it be personal

[-Asca-]

What "nature" do you mean that women can't help?

[lucas262]

Hypergamy

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I meet some mgtow that were doing just that, going their own way. They have my respect. However most ones I meet on this site were just angry women haters.

Everyone can control themselves. No one is so bound by their "nature" that they can't help but to act a certain way.

I am not saying anything else. In fact I state that men should value themselves more, know their worth.

I chose to analyse every situation individually, no one is always at fault.

"If you make yourself better for others it, s still about them not yourself." Using myself as an example. I wanted a girlfriend. I didn't had one. So what to do? Imporve for other to get what I wanted. I personaly did it for myself too, but if you ask me "I want to have a partner" is a good reason for one to want to improve.

"Men make it so hard for other men. Women make it so hard for other women" I agree. The bad apples give the good ones a bad rep.

Say it then! It's justifiable.

I had to explain that point better to a lot of people. I should have been more clear here, my bad. I made the chilvary part not because I think every man should do it, but because I saw many people on this site insulting the ones who did. That was it. I think chilvary is a good thing. If you don't want to do it for your reasons, fine! If you want to insult me because I do it, we have a problem.

Right? You have no idea the amount of hat that I got because on that topic...

Thanks for reading and for your reply!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Do you believe that all women are hypergamious?

[lucas262]

Yea it, s im their nature to select the best mate, nothing wrong with it, i admit i w a angry with women until I realized being angry over something a person can't help is stupid.

Now entitleing that and pandering to it is bad,

Yea all women are like that.

[-Asca-]

"Best mate" does not necessarily mean money or social status.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Not true.

Again I can use myself as an example. A guy invited my fiancee to leave me for him. He is one of the top executives in her company. He could give her a fat ass promotion really easily. He is not much older than me, he is good looking (she showed me the fucker), he smells to money, it's more cult than me and has a riddiculous higher status in society than me.

She refused politely to make sure he didn't get her fired and is still with me. Women are emotional creatures. If they love you, they stay with you no matter what the other guys has.

[lucas262]

And what if she had tossed you aside?

Not every woman not even most would do that, you know what I mean by entitlement.
Shitty thing for him to do.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

If she did I would be pissed!

That is what I was asking in the other question. Is that a thing in the US? In Europe women are not like that. Funny enough the fucker was american! He stayed here for a while and basically invited her to go with him back to the US. The life that she could have had... I need to make her the happiest women alive.
I am now wondering if he did that because he is used to that there!

[lucas262]

Very likely he is,
She deserves to be happy She is a good woman to have.

[-Asca-]

I also feel like this mgtow stuff is an American thing, any european would find the thought ridiculous and even more so the philosophy behind it, relying on "nature" as if humans were uncivilised wild animals.

[lucas262]

Nature physcology, societal standards etc.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@lucas262 that is depressing to hear. So in america if any guy comes to your girl and he is richer and has a high social position, she is garantee to leave? I should make a question about this!
I treasure her.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@-Asca- I agree with you. Are you an European too?

[lucas262]

No not every woman, but women here are for sure more entitled.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@lucas262 that I can believe 100%.

[lucas262]

That whole speech you made made me think a lot.
About a lot of different things.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

If you want to discuss some particular ones let me know.

What you said made me think too if I wasn't unfair in some points. Since the reallity in the US is so different.

[-Asca-]

@ThisIsMyOpinion Yes. And I always found it very strange how people (not a single person I know irl but always americans over the internet) use "nature" to sort of explain how women are designed to behave immorally and can't even do anything about it as if people couldn't choose their own actions or something. I never encountered something with thoughts like that in Europe, and most of the girls I know would certainly not engage in hypergamy, at the end of the day most people do still seek love in a relationship which is what it's for anyway. I didn't think America would be different in this regard but maybe I'm wrong.

[lucas262]

Will do

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@-Asca- In Europe neither have I. Coming from americans I see it here everyday. I don't buy it that they are so dictated by their "nature" that they can't help but to act a certain way. Everyone has control over their own actions. What I can believe is that in america girls care a lot more about status and money. Care less about love.

[AuroraRoseat]

I like your Take for various reasons but there are points that I disagree with.

1) There is no definition of a man. Society is what tells men how they should behave, who they should be attracted and more. A man doesn't have to be a protector if he doesn't want to---it is his life.

2) The MGTOW spiel is correct but not involuntary celibates. These are wo/men who are luckless at love. Not all of them become bitter but many reveal that all they want is someone to love and who reciprocates. Plenty of incels are just unfortunate people with bad luck and they shouldn't be grouped with MGTOWers.

It's an insult.

3) I don't agree with your last point. Yes, I wouldn't advise men falling over themselves to get a woman, but I also don't advocate not giving attention if that is not true to who the man feels himself to be. He should be himself. I don't care for attention (don't lump all women together) and I'm usually skeptical whenever a man pays a compliment (since 99%, I'm sure, want sex and possibly, for many, only that).

Also, I don't advocate hitting anyone (I don't care if she slaps you. If she has a weapon, have at it and defend yourself. But his life is not in danger to the point where he knocks her out over a slap or punch. If she's physically dominating him, I understand at that point). Personally. I won't ever put my hands on you or anyone, but if you do, I will do my best to kill you.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Fisrt girl to disagree with some pints, very well let's adress them.

1. Like I said a men doens't have to be the strongest, the smartest or the one that makes more money. I stated this. He just needs to be himself, who he is to let his fire burn. His own fire, that will be different from everyone elses.

I would have nothing against both groups if they didn't tried to recruit memebers. One thing is living your life, going your own way and making your own choices. Another is advocating that men are good women are evil. Even if not all of them fill this category the vast majority of them does. Like I said to a hurt person it can be super appealing to hear that he is not the problem, that is just how thing work. And now he is one of them, a guy that with proper time to grief from his pain might turned out with a very different opinion. One that does not incluse thinking that half of the world population suck really really bad.

3. If a guy likes and wants a girl he should give her attention. If it sounded like I disagree with that then my mistake in writting. But that attention is very different from the attention given purely because of "oh boobs!" Get my point please. There is a difference in going for what you want with dignity and to run in it's direction with your tongue sticking out while shouting "you are so hot plese love me".

I don't want to advocate that people should hit others left and right. But yes, men or women, if they hit they can get hit back. If its a women punching a guy because he slaped her good. Works both ways.

[AuroraRoseat]

1) I wholeheartedly agree with your 1. I guess I didn't read closely enough. I admit fault.

2) We will just have to disagree. Every groups has its radicals (Feminism has them). I am not going to paint the group with a generalization. MGTOW is different because many of their basic tenants (like going back to restricting rights for women) are horrible. Many incels aren't malcontents though. It's fine: we disagree.

3) I agree with the attention bit. I disagree with the hitting back. To me, it's like a 12 year old punching a 6 year old simply because the 6 year old hit him. You need to have self-composure and think about your actions. If his life is not in danger (or he is not a product of abuse), then he shouldn't hit.

We won't ever agree on this point. That's fine.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

It's fine to disagree on things.
I want to say that even if I think it's called for, to hit someone that just hitted you, doesn't mean that I think the first course of action should be that one. If you can just restrain the person perfect. I just want equal blame on things.

[MrOracle]

I think you are either reading low-quality opinions or you just aren't reading them thoroughly. There's nothing wrong with chivalry or traditional values, and there's nothing wrong with equality - BUT YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH, because they are mutually exclusive and directly opposed to each other.

The problem is not that some women want chivalry and some want equality - most men could deal with that with little problem, except at the beginning when we have no way to know which one she wants. The problem is that far too many women want the BENEFITS of BOTH and the RESPONSIBILITIES of NEITHER, and THAT is unacceptable, and it what is driving many men away from dating entirely.

For women willing to pick one or the other and accept the responsibilities as well as the privileges of that position, they rarely have too much trouble finding men who respect them. And there are plenty of those women. It's the ones that want it both ways that who are having trouble finding "quality men" - and are driving many quality men (and some not-so-quality men) out of the dating pool.

This isn't a minor point - it's a MAJOR problem, and it's having a HUGE negative social impact, which is unfortunate for everyone - even those who are in relationships, because there are lots of secondary effects.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Who cares if a girl's attitude about chilvary and equality that went on a date with is not the best? It's a firsts date you need to be prepared to find anything. You are also there to see if she is good or not so if you don't like it you don't have a second date. It's not more complicated than that. When dating you find all kinds of people and there is no reason to leave the dating pool all together for a few bad first dates.

[MrOracle]

I agree, but you can understand that when guys keep running into the "have it both ways" girls over and over and over, at least some of them are going to take their ball and go home. I don't agree with that decision, but I certainly understand it.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

You do have a point there.

[ret04]

It seems as if your overarching point is that men have no right to complain about women. I disagree. Everyone has the right to whine and complain. Welcome to a modern egalitarian society, get used to it.

Women have complained about men for centuries. We now live in an age where men feel free voice their complaints too, and that is perfectly fine in my view. I'm all about equality of opportunity for everyone in all regards. I do not subscribe to the notion that men (or women) need to act according to their gender or what tradition suggests. That kind of old fashion thinking is on it's way out.

It's perfectly with anyone's right to dislike promiscuity or any kind of behavior, but such a belief should be held consistently and applied across the board. It should be principled, not gendered. You're also making the mistake of thinking that the way you feel about your sense of manhood also applies to all other men. That's wrong. You don't get to define what a man is for other men. You are not every man, and every man is not like you. Women also do not come with a specific set of instructions, and if you think you understand how they all operate, you are mistaken.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Complain is one thing. The amount of crying I see here is another...

It's fine that we get to talk about our issues, yes. But again that is not what many are doing here. To say "I have it bad here because..." is not the same as saying "Fuck you bitch whore you don't know how good you have it I am so miserable because I am a guy buaaaaa"

I agree that people should have their views on things. On promiscuity and manhood. But, here comes the "but", to loudly inslut others that like to act chilvarious or to have sex is why I made this. They can be whatever they want. But if they want to insult, well I have the right to do the same.

[ret04]

How classic is the phrase "all men are the same" and "men are all pigs", etc? In English, that's been said by women for generations, so much it's become a cliche. Complaining about how hard it is just to be a woman, and how lazy, unintelligent, and unpleasant men are is also cliche. It was done my mother's generation, my grandmother's generation, my great grandmother's generation.

It's a form of venting frustration. It's not helpful, but it is therapeutic to blame others for your own misfortune. To pretend like you have a complicated issue all worked out. "All women are tards". There, complicated problem solved (for the time being).

Are you going to also lecture women on their own complaints and whining about men? How about the many topics which come up asking "why are guys so stupid?" You probably won't.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Yes that is a generalization. Those cliche ones that we see in movies all the times with the cluless husband or the dumb blonde are there for the sake of jokes. They will always be told. For both men and women. Problem comes when people don't know the difference between a stereotypical joke, that of course falls rigth sometimes, or the actuall truth. Believe me both sides can complain of that one.

Venting frustration is very well when it doesn't harm other. Not just the person that is on the end of it. It also causes an effect on other that read the reply after. Women think "That is how guys are now" and men might think "that guy is right". That is a problem. Vent frustation by doing some outdoors work, working out playing a sport anything that doesn't hurt a person and gives other less reason to believe in humanity.

I actually already consider doing that. For real I did and still am. I would be a good take. If I ever make it I will invite everyone her to see it. I am serious.

[ret04]

If you do create a take about the women who need to stop complaining about men, then the women who liked this take so much are not going to be happy with it, I can guarantee you. They only praise this because you express their frustrations, but if you express the frustration men face they will not like it. People are only on the side of what they can relate with.

I really don't care if someone's feelings get hurt by what they read on the Internet. Take the things you read online with a grain of salt. Everyone has an opinion, everyone has different experiences, and you cannot assume that everything people write is the authority or final word on the subject. Nothing can be done if people aren't smart enough to think for themselves, or identify a troll post when they see it.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I know they are not. I knew that guys were going to be angry about this and that didn't stopped me either.

I agree with that. I don't think all the trash posts are serious or that they are taken as a irrefutable truth. But, using the example of the 40 year old men calling teenages pieces of trash and worse here because they liked sex, sometimes people need to be called out on what they writte on the internet. I did gave them hell after what they said to those girls and two minuts later I was making this post.

You are one of few guys that came here, disagreed with me and yet can present good arguments and discuss them calmly. Us agreeing in everything or not you have my respect.

[ret04]

I'd have to see the example you are referring to in the full context where it happened, in order to make a judgement on that. You are probably right that it was uncalled for, but I didn't see the whole picture. It's a good point to base a take on, sure. I'm more fond of keeping the point on civility and decency, and the fact that we live in modern enlightened society where women can talking about liking sex, just as well as men can. Whatever standards they think apply to themselves, also apply to women. Down with double standards, is what I say. It's okay to have standards, but make sure you are principled with them, and not arbitrary.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I feel for my own. Guys, I get why you get frustrated ↗

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It goes both ways but let me debunk that

The title says "Embarrassed by my own. Guys, time to wake up!"

"There isn't a single question that doesn't have something in the lines of "All women are evil", "Chivilary is dead because of the modern women", "Women can't fight their nature", "Feminism killed masculinity", etc etc etc." <--Ironically enough you're blaming men. Oh not all? Nice contradiction there.

"Feminism killed masculinity" <-- I can give you reasons why feminism is objectively a bad thing but that's separate topic.

"WOMEN ARE ALL EVIL" <-- Says incels/MGTOW. I'm an egalitarian so I say women aren't but feminists are. Next!

"MGTOW, INCELS AND OTHERS" <-- That mytake is for them not for guys. Oh "not all guys" *reads the title*

"SLUT SHAMING" And yea you don't realize that majority of slut shaming is done by other women. Yes men do it to but..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE_OLp-9xuQ

*Reads the title again* "Embarrassed by my own. Guys, time to wake up!"

"IN THE END" <-- Yeah you're talking about MGTOWS and incels. Read the title again.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Oh you actually read it. Was not expecting that, but glad you did.

It's not a contradiction. It's not all men, but the ones that I am refering to make themselves noticied in pretty much every question.

I don't consider myself a feminist. I am not advertising it here. In UK less then 25% of teenagers calls themselves feminists. What I don't want to see is men blaming something like feminism for all the problems in their relationships.

I say feminazis are. Next!

This take is for more than them. It is for some guys, including the ones in those groups.

That argument again. Did you read the part of 40 year old guys insulting teenager girls just for liking sex? I saw men doing it here a lot.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"I say feminazis are. Next!" What's the difference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THuA82rSn58 In that case I say incels not MGTOW.

"Did you read the part of 40 year old guys insulting teenager girls just for liking sex? I saw men doing it here a lot."

And women insulting other women too. You're point? My point is it goes both ways with that claim I backed up.

"I saw men doing it here a lot." But I don't. I like to make stories too.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

A big one. It's resumed to a wider view of things are more racionality.

Why not? My problem with them taking advantage of hurt guys to validate their ideas and recruit them stands.

Very well, then we agree. Slut shaming is a thing. So your point about this topic is?

We see different thing my friend that's for sure.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"My problem with them taking advantage of hurt guys to validate their ideas and recruit them stands." <-- I can say the same thing. If you to have a problem with toxic masculinity, I say I have a problem with girls taking advantage of the women are wonderful effect in society. Is that ok? Because if it's not then you're just gonna prove the double standards I would like to address next.

"So your point about this topic is?" Sharing why it goes both ways. Why are you telling guys to wake up?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Toxic masculinity is not a thing. Its the same as "bad behaviour stereotypically associated with men". So no I don´t have a problem with it. About women taking advantage of their role in society to screw us over go read the first topic for my opinion on the matter.

To wake up the guys that do it. I never said girls didn't. This take is for guys, that is all.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"bad behaviour stereotypically associated with men" If that's your notion then congrats! It's society then not men that needs to wake up. And this comment is to counteract everything not just for men.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It's society then not men that needs to wake up because they've been pushing men a lot since humanity started. And you were the one who said that's gender role. *Slow clap*

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

And who is part of society? Again I could have made a take for women, this one is for us. Me calling out men on what they do wrong wrong doesn't clear women of what they do wrong. Agree on that?

Yes I did. Now I don't think I used the best word for what I meant. Place in society might have been a more accurate way of putting it.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"this one is for us. Me calling out men on what they do wrong wrong doesn't clear women of what they do wrong. Agree on that?" Since when did I disagree? why isn't it ok to talk about women to counteract that?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Unless you want double standards about free speech.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

But if you agree what are you counteracting?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Do I have to keep repeating "it goes both ways"

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I agree but it goes both ways. <-- It doesn't take a genius to understand that.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Oh I say I won't agree. I'd just say I don't disagree.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

"Oh I say I won't agree. I'd just say I don't disagree."
I am good with that.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"But if you agree what are you counteracting?" <-- Yeah you got that part wrong. Anyways I don't care if you don't agree with me either. I won't even accuse you of trying to disagree with me.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I enjoyed talking to you nevertheless.

[AzzaBlue]

I like your take. While I agree with most of your points, I simply disagree with the concept of chivalry. I have written many opinions about this, and as far as I am concerned, it is unnecessary. Many men still cling to chivalry in an effort to seem/ feel manly and many women still cling it to absolve themselves of adult responsibility. I personally do not define MY masculinity through the lens of women. I have my own set of values and principles that I WILL NOT compromise even for women. I expect women to act like grown arse mature adults who are capable of paying their own way. I will not under any circumstances pay for their share of dates, at least not in the beginning as I want to make sure they don't see me as a source of free meals or as a disposable utility. As for opening doors, well that is just courteous behaviour that I extend to everyone.

But holy shit though, don't get me started on the simps that put women on a pedestal. Jesus Christ they make my skin crawl. While I agree that women are not entirely at fault for acting lazy and apathetic with regards to dating, I do believe that they should take a good portion of the blame. Sure the simps may give women the power in dating, but women are still free to choose whether or not to take advantage of this power, which many unfortunately do.

Women are not monsters. They are, like men, extremely flawed, flesh and blood people that are are capable of much good as well as being bad.

At the end of the day, all of this hatred that is going on between the sexes is pointless. Life is too short for such nonsense.

[Frankiealaplaaja]

Buck up bro. Chivalry ain't dead it's always been rare. That's why the call it that. see?
Know that you're not alone, ever have I tried to be a gentleman.
Okay I have been a pig for a while when I was 18. Chalk that one up to my inability to deal with complex emotions which I had never expected and at one point where something just snapped and decided I just didn't care anymore. Shortly after I found myself having a threesome with two girls while my girlfriend was at home, and a week before I had fallen in love with someone else.

Beyond that: No. I've learned a lot since then and I have always given the respect that was due.

Since then I have ALWAYS been true to myself and honest to those who my path crossed with. Even the ones that turned out to be incompatible could appreciate the way I had not left them hanging.
Perhaps the most telling of all is the way they all seem to trust me. A lot of them have told me their darkest and horrifying experiences, as they had never even dared to tell someone else before.
Knowing you have their utmost trust is a precious thing and one should never trample on something like that. Obviously.
"Oooh I love it when we can just be quiet for more than an hour without you asking me what I'm thinking".
or
"I can totally let my guard down with you "
or
"I wouldn't do this with anyone else".

That's what you should have too.
F.

[Hurdleez-Swampede]

People do not have the right to fornicate without punishment.

You say your own as if men are to have equal standards as you. Screw that crap.

Just because a sex gets screwed by an unfair justice system doesn‘t give the other sex the right to even it up by invoking their double standard.

Screw the male vs female situations. If you have to do certain things for women to feel like a man, then you are a wuss. You seem to place expectations on men instead of yourself. I am a man regardless if I follow your expectations. How dare you impose how I should act just because my sex is same as yours and establish that it is what all men should do.

Women aren‘t the special sex. Neither are men. I shouldn‘t be demonized for not offering her my jacket. She should be wise enough to know it may be cold by bringing her own jacket. I shouldn‘t be bashed for wearing my jacket nor have her or others demand I let her wear it. If I offer, great but she isn‘t entitled to it. Would she offer her jacket to me or be blamed if she didn‘t? No because men are expected to suck it up for being male. Screw that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

They actually do. I did it too.

I am calling out guys on repecting others. There are no standards for respect. Either you do or you don't.

Not sure what you mean here.

Read it again. I said that a men doesn't have to be/do this or that to be a men. I said that I like to be chivalrous, yes but that is me. The biggest misconception people are having with this is I am not trying to make guys acting like me. I see a lot of slut and gentleman shaming. I am defending those and advocating for men to stop harrasing women. You can be whatever you want, do whatever you want as long as you repect the others doing the same.
I also try to make guys complain less. Yes I do, since there is no reason for them to do that and blame an entire gender for it.

I agee they are not. Both men and women are important. Again I like to do it. And I defended it here because I see chilvary geting bashed a lot. I am not saying everyone need to do it.
If you don't give her your jacket, fine. If you insult the guy that did, not fine.

[Hurdleez-Swampede]

Normally, whoever weighs less should wear the jacket but since women are often lighter than their men, then it is them but if the man is lighter in weight, he ideally should wear the jacket. However, both men and women should come prepared on their dates and bring jackets.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Men also have a higher tolerance to cold.
Again a guy gives a girl his jacket on a date if he wants to. His call.

[CasaNorba]

lmao an 18 year old is more awake than this fool will ever be

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@CasaNorba you and I have different views on what awake means.

[ranger962]

I dont really care if not all women are garbage. Enough are that its becoming dangerous to deal with them. This isn't even the same for men rapping women as its not only highly illegal but damages men socially and financially in the long run without much chance to recover at all. This is true for even proven false accusations of rape against men.

The difference is men are ruined for by toxic masculinity regardless of innocence or guilt
Women get a slap on the wrist or a free pass for ruining our lives.

This isn't about hating women its about injustice and double standards.

Because all women have the capability of doing these things i have to assume you all do and are incentivized to do so.

What i do hate are those who don't stand against this and embrace the double standard by being silent. What i hate are women and whiteknight cucks dismissing the issues and enabling the behavior.

You are ashamed of men even though we hold ourselves to account? What about women? I don't see women standing against this. I dont see women held to account for ruining innocent lives. All i see are constant reminders that us men are disposable and worthless.

I dont fucking care. All of you are trash for letting this happen.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Why is it dangerous to deal with them? False rape accusations are extremely rare. Don't blow up with what I just said! I know it makes you scared and furious at the same time when you hear what a false acusation can do to a man's life. I feel that too! I do! But I am still a man! I am not going to be scared of them just because a few might try that. And I say try because there are much, much more rape cases that are dimissed in court then convictions.

Toxic masculinity is not a thing. That is a way of saying "traditional male bad behaviour". Don't let the media or the social network form your opinion. Look around you! Where do you see all that devastation around you? Do you see it? I don't.

I am against women's bad behaviour. Even more when its justified with just "She is a women". Its digusting. But dude we are men! We are f***ing men! Let them come! We can deal with them. We don't need to be shaking in fear we need to remember we have balls and use them!

[ranger962]

Google kenan basic.

Women are dangerous because the state allows them to be. It is retarded to trust women at all these days.

Im not shaking in fear. Im taking intelligent action to protect myself from this behavior.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

But that is my point you don't need to! There is real danger that in an exaggeration. You can trust them. Be careful in your approach yes, but approach anyway damit!

[ranger962]

Fuck that id rather not fuck up my life. Stop being a fucking idiot you dont owe women anything I sure as fuck don't and im not going to bend over backwards for cunts because "im a man". Women have only proven themselves to be garbage and not worth the time.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

It's your life. You want to restrain yourself it's your choice.

[ranger962]

Sure bud i hope your wife doesn't cuck you and take the house and kids.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Don't worry she never will.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I feel for my own. Guys, I get why you get frustrated ↗

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

Wonderful myTake, thank you for the read.
The thing I noticed here is that there's an incredibly high number of MGTOW, incels and other extremists who whine and whine, and whine.
If only they'd have the measure of intelligence to read and learn from this...

Keep up the good work my friend!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

That hate was to be expected when I posted this. Don't worry I have fun arguying with them. Still it gives me hope to see that some guys agree with me. Thank you for your words.

[Jean-Marie_Céline]

👍👍
I've tried to reason with them, but I gave up.
They are so toxic and entrenched in their ways.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I feel for my own. Guys, I get why you get frustrated ↗

[MzAsh]

It’s nice to see a man on here who isn’t threatened by a woman’s power for a change.

The incels and mgtow are probably the worst, acting like they are “getting” us by checking out. No one wants to stop them from going their own way. These were never men any decent woman would want to date their begin with because their value wasn’t high enough.

The rest are just mad women don’t want to submit or go back to the male dominated shit show our society once was.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Women have their power and we have ours. No need for either to feel less because of it.

I like mgtow even less than what I like incels. I feel like there are hope for some of them. Mgtow have too much of a superiority complex.

[Wowgirl30q]

He's awesome

[6suejsjsj]

God it's so sad how sexist modern women are.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj how was she sexist?

[6suejsjsj]

Look at female dominated societies. You better move to Central Afrika. Lol.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj You didn't answer me. Why was she sexist?

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion thinking that men who don't agree with feminist agenda are "threatened of women's power".
Saying male leadership is a shitshow apparently thinking women are better leaders. Which is obviously ridiculous

[MzAsh]

It’s not male leadership in general that is a shit show. It’s the specific, backwards thinking, gender dynamic that once was.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj "thinking that men who don't agree with feminist agenda are "threatened of women's power". - She never said this. You are assuming that she is referering to every men who doesn't agree with her agenda.

The next part she just answered you.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion I explained her behavior.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I am sure men that are threatened by a woman’s power exist. Not to say that all the men who don't agree with her are like that.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion wtf should that even mean? What power? What?
We don't want to be discriminated. But that's already too much to ask you pathetic whore think that drafting only males is fine. Would love to fucking kill you you worthless piece of trash.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj If we meet I woundn't be the one on the ground by the end that I can asure you!
I already told why only men get draft. Stop letting your feeling cloud your judgement!
When I say power here I mean any kind, physical, economical, social.

[joeshi]

Omfg I’ll suck your dick rn that is just what the guys of the G@G needed to read (not all of them) ever since i got on this app they’ve just been tormenting woman and putting them down and if I’d defend myself even a little then I’m a “crazy feminist” it sucks how boys can think that they can just disrespect women in general, also the other way around too. But man, woman get shit on this app on the daily.

[joeshi]

I read the comments, soooo many men trying to sound smart and contradict you. Damn they just can’t be told something else, it’s like if your so unhappy with woman then just date men

[Smegskull]

I'd guess they don't call you a crazy feminist because you defend yourself, they call you a crazy feminist because of the way you defend yourself.

[joeshi]

I just state facts and that’s it, some guys just don’t want to hear it and start to become defensive. But it’s just the truth. There was a guy in another question commenting mean things about woman and i just told him that what he’s doing will continue onto his sister and his daughter, just because he doesn’t stop this trend of degrading it’s going to bite him eventually and just because he’s a guy doesn’t mean it will. Guys hate to be told what it is

[joeshi]

Not all guys but you know what i mean

[Smegskull]

That's not a guy thing that's a person thing. Women love dumping on men just as much with just as little consideration for their future sons.

[ranger962]

Don't you think feminist trends will affect your brother's and sons in the future? Also why should men respect women when women don't respect men anymore? You can't tell me women do respect us when us men are constantly shamed and belittled by the media and academia and the entire legal system has a bias against men.

[joeshi]

I’m a woman and i don’t enjoy dumping on men, who are you to say (as a guy) that i me, someone that you don’t know at all whatsoever that i personally find the joy on dumping onmen? Your guys generalizations keep getting more dumb and more personal every single time.

[joeshi]

And my future son will be raised to respect woman, and if they disrespect him then they are just not worth his time. He’s not going to be small minded and start calling her a slut and a bitch and a whore and that stupid childish shit that I’ve seen boys be doing on this app.

[ranger962]

Your future son will be accused of rape or will have half his shit and the kids taken away. He will be ashamed of who he is because he was born a male in a feminist world.

[ranger962]

Im sure he will love his crazy abusive feminist bitch of a mother very much. Good luck on the gender reassignment surgery! Im sure he won't kill himself like 40% of trannies.

[ranger962]

Lol that is if you can find a man retarded enough to stick his dick in crazy

[joeshi]

There is a very small percentage of false rape accusations. Majority are true, it’s sad that now you defend rapist. Your daughter will go through that you realize that right? And just because woman are standing for themselves doesn’t mean it’s a “feminist world” y’all are seriously overreacting only because it’s not going your way anymore. It’s about getting equal pay, beating double standards, being able to wear clothes to our liking without being in a rape situation, and so on. I think worst thing men go through is being told to “man up”.

[joeshi]

And that’s why there are feminist , because people like you who can’t argue so they stick to their low abilities and just call a woman names, it doesn’t make your dick bigger just shows how ignorant you are 🤷🏽‍♀️

[ranger962]

Awww sweetie im sorry there are physical and social consequences to being a whore. Its sounds so fucking trivial try working on an oil rig and tell me how hard your fucking life is. Try digging a ditch all day in the sun on the highway. Try sealing the cracks on said highway. If you want equal pay maybe work hard risky jobs rather than working minimum wage in a soft cushy job. How about you dress modestly so you dont attract unwanted attention. Fucking seriously your entire gender is so pathetic you have no problems that outweigh the suffering that men go through to put food on your fucking table.

This is why you will set your son up for failure.

I hope you never have kids.

[Smegskull]

@joeshi "women" is a general demographic don't try using your inclusion within a demographic to take a criticism of the average of that demographic as a personal accusation (it is a sad and unsportsmanlike way to manipulate a debate)

Side note: regarding your argument with ranger, I think If you check the statistics most rape cases go unsolved. Of those that are solved about 10% are proven to be true and about 10% are proven to be false. Whether or not you arrogantly presume the 80% of unsolved cases are true or false, 10% is not an insubstantial proportion (it's certainly higher than the proportion of men who are rapists).

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@ranger962 You are having a party here. I am a little late, but here is my present...
You guys are idiots! You see some new on TV, see some posts on social media and some toxic girls here on GAG and right away "OMG THE WORLS IN CONTROLLED BY WOMEN AND THEY ALL WANT TO DESTROY US". Guys please... Like she said you are generalising big time! You need to filter what media tell you from what the reality actually is. Do you know who also can't separate the two things? Feminazis! You are acting like them. Victimizing yourselves. They see lots of new about rape cases that never even got to court. About wife beaters that are pardoned and go back home to do it again.

She can see that both sides have it bad sometimes! She can see the big picture. And for as long as she can yes she will be a good mother!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Smegskull What I said to ranger goes to you too.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@joeshi I knew I would have people liking this take. I knew I would have people hate this take. What I never imagined I would get was that xD

Like the title says I feel embarrassed by the actions of my own. Things like telling someone she should never be a mother over an argument is part of the reason I wrote this. Its too bad.

Anyway if any guy does similar with you here direct him to this take. I already did that myself and boy was it fun how pissed he was!

[Wowgirl30q]

Your funny AF
@joeshi

[joeshi]

@thisismyopinion , i feel that when people don’t want to understand they will continuously fight and fight until they’re just saying dumb things where the conversation is dead. I already got to this kids and i didn’t even bother to read their past comments. I think i already got my point across if i already got to them. It just blows that we continuously live in a world where there are double standards and on top of that there’s boys who don’t want to understand and want to cry about chivalry and “women are evil” and a ton of bs. Like if your so unhappy then just get use to sucking dick because if you can’t open your eyes and stop generalizing woman and realize that there are great woman out there then they wouldn’t be stuck online crying. That’s just real talk 🤷🏽‍♀️ and i honestly commend you for looking above that above generalization and that’s real awesome for you.

[ranger962]

Fuck off!

THE FACT THAT THE STATE ENDORSES IT IS THE FUCKING ISSUE!
THE FACT THAT WOMEN DONT CALL IT OUT AND DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO DISMISS THE ISSUE IS THE PROBLEM AND THE POINT!

YOU ARE PART OF THE FUCKING PROBLEM.

[ranger962]

Fuck this shit world i might as well just kill myself im a fucking loser anyway.

Fuck all of you

[Wowgirl30q]

@ranger962 why you yelling?
Must be a personal thing

[joeshi]

I can list what woman go through if you’d like, and some of the things men go through as well but not as much as woman

Double standards
Different pay
Less higher pay job opportunities
Can’t wear certain clothes or else we are “asking for it”
Can’t have sex or else we are slut shamed
We have to cook and clean for the men
Along with the standards for men are to take care of paying for the house
BUT men sometimes don’t meet that standard and still expect woman to cook and clean
Have to carry a baby in our stomach for 9 months and have to give birth or open our stomachs
And still get told to suck it up,
Can’t breast feed in public because men feel uncomfortable,
Some guy told me I’m boring because i don’t party but I’m fine at home but it’s either if your a party girl your a slut of if you stay at home your boring,
Higher risked of being drugged,
Higher risked of being sexually assaulted
More than 80% of woman have been sexually assulted in some way,
That whole thing that guys do when you don’t want to conversate with them they call you a whore
Being sexualize, cat called, by guys
The fact that guys are trying to decide whether we can have abortion or not,
And that when men say “they shouldn’t have sex if they can’t raise a baby” but the same goes for men
Men get praised for being whores
Men are most likely to cheat ,

I’m not saying that your a loser, but i feel that men weigh more in on the judgement of woman when they don’t do so good themselves. Everything is so beneficial to the man, there are even religions where the man can have multiple wives to serve them, in the Bible God calls everyone in general man and brother (prolly because it’s a time of the past idk)

The requirements for woman
The must look good
Have a nice ass
Good boobs
Great personality
Happy and bubbly all the time
Beautiful
Great teeth
I don't know what else men want but it’s all great looks and great personality,

[joeshi]

And then you see woman with ugly guys because we don’t go based on looks (some do) but there’s a good amount that doesn’t

[joeshi]

And then porn, porn makes you guys believe that woman are suppose to have sex a certain way and look a certain way while having sex and it’s far from it and makes the standard for woman far more from where it should be. I’ve even seen compilations where there are scenes of influenced child porn (which i skip) and then others that are literally raping the girl, which i just couldn’t even amsturbate because wtf, like there are men out there (not you) that are disgusting and tie in to raping girls and what woman have to go through, whether it’s men starring for a long time , or cat calling or even trying to talk to rape them, drugging too, I've heard it all, but the amount I’ve heard woman victims compared to men is an extreme difference

[ranger962]

Those problems are so fucking trivial.

Really? You get to live rent free on the condition you cook and clean my house for me? OMG what an oppressive situation! Fuck off

The wage gap is a myth its illegal to pay on the difference of gender and if you want more money pick up a fucking shovel.

Also you get affirmative action policies so fuck you. you can't tell me how hard it is to get a job when everyone is rushing to fill diversity quotas.

Yeah and men get shamed for being a fucking degenerate too and your lack of modesty is not only setting a bad example but you are advertising to everyone how much of a slut you are so of course everyone will shame you on how you present yourself even id you're a man.

Women are more valuable due to your ability to produce children. We are disposable.

I really don't care if you have a child and you need to feed them though I'd prefer if you'd breastfeed in private

You can get out of the house and do things without being a whore you know like wtf.

Lower life expectancy

Lesser value compared to women

Expectations of leadership, courage, confidence and strength in everything.

Have to maintain stoicism

No support in the legal system.

No reproductive rights.

Sensitive Sexual organs outside your body and between your legs.

Expected to work hard every day in dangerous conditions.

That whole thing that girls do when they dont want to talk to you so they question your sexuality which causes us to get even more insecure about it which leads us to believe that the more sexually successful men are the more they are valued.

That is really what men want. To be valued and we really aren't.

Male suicide rates are 4 times higher than women. You can't tell me women have it worse so fuck you

[ranger962]

You sexualize yourself and then complain about men catcalling you even though you put yourself in that situation.

Women blame you for their bullshit.

We want kids too and women killing our unborn children is horrifying to us.

I agree that men and women should abstain from sex if they are not prepared for a child. Sex has risk for fucks sakes.

Women have nothing to offer men to stick around and that is horrible for us to do but marriage is now a trap for us and it ruins our lives if we marry a total bitch.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@ranger962

Yes that is an oppresive situation! Would like to do it? Would you like that your only value was to clean, cook and sucking dick? Then bend over! There are lots of rich guys in line waiting to meet you!

Also trivial? You really need to take your head off your ass. You can only see the crap you believe in.

We are more likely to be hired for a job then them unless you want to be a nurce!

Go outside fuck 10 girls! Guys will clap at you! If a girls does that both guys and girls will shame her!

No we are not! We tend to put ourselves in dangerous situation more! So yes we die. Do you thing that society likes to see us die? Do you think their wifes are happy their husbands die?

Are you serious? Are expecting a women to not feed her baby? Really?

Slut shaming again.

Because we do take on more dangerous jobs.

No we don't. More and more society accepts that.

Yes you do have rights! The court favors women. Right. But you really think that in the 82% of times women keep the kids the man wants then? That the man isn't a drunk sod that can't take care of himself? That he didn't cheat on her so the court rules in her favor? That he is a more capable parent than the mother? Only a few of those 82% are guys that are better parents than the mother!

Yes we are! Yes we are valued! Look at the girls here! Look how much they valued me just for doing this take? They do like us! They do like you! But how can they show that when you can't stop hating them?

Women try suicide more often! They usually fail since they use methods like pills and we use things like hanging.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@ranger962
I like to use tight polo shirts to show my peck and arms. Is that why I deserve to be raped?

Fuck the ones that do that.

Many men agree with abortion. Count me among them.

Yes it does. That is why it should be done with the proper precautions.

Nothing to offer us? They have themselves to gives us. Who they are. And boy do we need that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@joeshi
As I just put out there I am with you in everything except porn.
I am honest when I disagree with something. I don't think porn ruins peoples expectations or blurs reality. At least not as long as there is information about sex and there is a lot out there. Online, at school and at home.

Ranger just lost it. He is more than angry he is hurt. He feels worthless and that society thinks he is worthless.

[ranger962]

Yeah. Fuck this everyone is against me and im stupid and worthless. I might as well kill myself now for being such a fuck up and a failure.

Society is against men and men are willing to bend over for it for the sake of women.

Fuck this im out. Fuck all of you im going to gas myself in my fucking car

[ranger962]

There is more we value in women than that and no but expecting the house cleaned up and food prepared for the person who makes the money and pays the bills is just too fucking much for women

Fuck you

Are you fucking kidding me

Biology and it only shows we value women more and hold them to a higher standard you dumb fucks

Yes we are disposable and im sure not many people care about men dieing if its not their sons fathers or brothers. Women getting hurt males national news so fuck you

Thats not what i said fucker

Yeah fuck em

Why not women if they believe in equality

We dont have rights anymore

[ranger962]

We are not valued and these women dont care about you beyond what you're telling them which is what they want to hear. They are only looking for a cuck who will put them on a pedestal and that has to stop they dont deserve it.

Women try suicide for attention. They get way more social support and use ineffective methods because they are not serious. Men are and that highlights the importance of male suicide you asshole

[ranger962]

That isn't a whores uniform

You love murdering babies you sick fuck

Fuck this what is the fucking point! I just want to be valued and i want children but im too fucking useless and a fuck up i have to fucking die everyone is better off without my worthless shit

Fuck this im going to just crash this peice of shit car

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@ranger962 We are not going to agree in anything. That's for sure.
But I don't think you are worthless or anything. Two people can disagree and still respect each other. I have nothing against you.

[Smegskull]

@thisismyopinion I don't get how that applies to me. I'm calling everyone stupid just like you I'm just attacking their conclusions and ideas rather than their character.
Maybe you are mistaking my misanthropy for misogyny? Not sure on this one I don't see the rationale (but then can you claim objective rationality when a blowjob has been offered? I think that's a conflict of interest lol)

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Smegskull I put you in the same box as ranger back there. My bad for that. I didn't filter what each was saying very well. Ranger just made me too nervous.

[6suejsjsj]

@joeshi You are completely delusional. Women are the advantaged gender nowadays very clearly. Lots of special treatment by law. You really need to inform yourself.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj give me examples of those laws.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion men still get drafted in lots of countries including mine. Only men would be forced to fight in a war pretty much everywhere in the world. You heard of women quotas?
You can find countless of laws that give special treatment to women everywhere in the west.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj it has been proven that women reduce the effectiveness of the military. It's not about sexism, it's about having a poweful army.
About the laws...
I remember a law that came in the EU that supposedly forced companies to hire women to higher positions. I found it odd and since it aslo affects my country I search and read it. It said none of that. Many of those laws translate into nothing or have loopholes that can be used to make it useless. They are made to calm the social wave because people only read the title. But read the entire law and you see that it really does nothing.

[Smegskull]

Selective enforcement is more an issue than any of the laws themselves and our reluctance as a species to punish anything pretty is an evolutionary problem not a legislative one.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
They can be soldiers if they want to you morron.

Women are worse at math, should we not allow them to study math then?

Wtf is wrong with you you seriously defend forcing young men in the military OR WORK. you can also do civil service.

You outed yourself as a pathetic simp. Fucking idiot.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj Oh I am about to have fun with this one!
When we are at times of war people are forced to fight! When you have to force a group of people to fight who do you wnat? The strongest ones of course!

Yes women can join the army, ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL! But if when we are at war it's a bad idea to force the ones that on average reduce the army effectiveness. You can't just ask everyone on the population to join you have to chose a group. Makes sense you dumb moron?

If you have to hire RANDOM people from the population to solve an equation that will save the nation, yes you will only get men. Because the odds of succes are higer.

Top that with the fact that 1 man and 10 women make 10 babies, and with 10 men and 1 women you only make one and you have the rest of your answer!

Not hard to figure out!

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion

So women get all the benefits but no downsides. Ah makes sense.

It's so pathetic that you have no problem with men getting discriminated against as a man yourself but think women deserve everything.

Your view is extemely worrying, you need help.

Women want equality, that means they have to fight too and not only pick the benefits. Sorry if you are too dumb to understand that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj So what do you want? You want your army to be weaker? And based of what? Your feelings? You want women to be also forced to go to war, weaken the army in the process, risking losing the war because you feel like it is unfair and sexist? Dumb idiot!

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
I want equality but I guess that makes me a "dumb idiot".

You are a complete fucking idiot. Not able to form any valid logic points.

[6suejsjsj]

You are nothing but a dumb sexist bitch. Please never get kids, ok?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I am the sexist one? And against my own? Did you read the last topic?

Actually I will be a father next year.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion omg that's awful.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj And if he is a boy I will teach him not to be afreaid of girls! I will teach him to puch a girl if she deserves it! Unlike you who will tell you boy to not touch them afraid of what society will think.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion wtf. Lots of assumptions

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj Will you teach him to defend himself even against girls? That is a surprise coming from you.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion yes of course wtf would you teach him? To be a simp like you?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj You are the one afraid of women! That is a horrible thing to teach a young boy! I don't simp for women, I am simply not scared of them! Unlike you big pussy.

[Tdieseler]

Wow... you encompassed like... every fucking thing... im not really surprised... I've been saying this but in bits and pieces... been trying to change it but nooo... the problem ain't women... the problem is men. i just focus on women because i HOPE they can change it. cuz men won't.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Both sides need some ajustments. If they will ever change? Doubt it. Still I wanted to call them on it.

[Tdieseler]

and call you did. i LOVED this Take.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Thank a lot! It's so good to see that some guys agree with me on this.

[Tdieseler]

some? i know a LOT of guys who would agree with this... this is was some shit.

[6suejsjsj]

Yes of course men bad women good. Lol

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj No one is sayind that. We are saying, some men bad. Simple as that no need to get butt hurt my friend.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion and what is the point of this you worthless piece of shit?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj You must be confusing me with a mirror my friend.
The point of this was to make men stop acting like they have no power! Like they are just helpless in this day and age it's sad and pathetic! They act like women are dangerous to be around and like they have everything and we have nothing! Like they are everything and we are nothing! This is to make those cunts, LIKE YOURSELF, get up grab your balls and stop bitching about nothing!

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
Wtf you don't know me or what I've been through. You are just a pathetic simp with no objective view in reality.
A disgusting self hating sexist is what you are. Seeking for approval of women online. How pathetic.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj Oh am sure that a girl cheated on you or some other sad story. So sorry! Still not reason to start acting like men are powerless today! Like we have to bow down to women. To be scared of them! That is why I tell you to grow a pair!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I am married. I don't need online women aproval for shit! But it really makes me mad that so many guys here act like we need to be scared of them!
I don't want to push women up! I want guys to open their eyes and be manly again!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj The other user has me blocked so I will answer you here.
@6suejsjsj Yes they can! Nothung wrong with that. In fact I am against us being the ones that spend all the money in a relationship!

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion I already said I had no bad experience with women. And a girl leaving me also wouldn't be bad. It's just what it is. She isn't the only one in existence.

[Tdieseler]

@6suejsjsj Oi mate... this is HIS opinion... and this as FUCKING accurate as most can say it. i've held back and done mine in bits and pieces cuz i really dont want to go all in yet... but this dude came in and laid the shit out on the ground and what you can do is step/shit all over it?
YOU sir are the reason why he even had to write something like this.
Im embarrassed about guys like you as well. You talk shit to your own kind cuz of what?
seeking approval?
i dont see your fucking posts when a woman shoots down men, and my boy here ain't even shooting anyone down... he's just saying shit as it is... and now you can pipe up?
You are lucky he is nice... cuz i sure as hell ain't.

[6suejsjsj]

@Tdieseler
Yeah, I'm super lucky that this idiotic simp stays nice. Lol.
He simply doesn't know anything of the real world, never informed himself but believes his cute opinion holds any weight. Probably like yourself.

I don't care what embarrasses some dumb fools on the internet.
I get it, you are delusional, I don't care. You will stay an idiot forever.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I don't believe you. Either you had bad experiences with women or you had none at all.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Tdieseler thank you man, but don't worry I have fun with idiots like him. I met many here and it has been a while since I had one come here and bitch.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj You are the one that needs to open your eyes. But go ahead... Keep preaching that women have all the control and power. Keep spreading the fear that you have you spineless pussy!

[Tdieseler]

yea, i have fun with people like him, till they get on my nerves and i have to set em straight.
Sad thing about it is that this is the internet... ANYONE can be anyone they want to be. just like some people will come on here and spew racist/sexist crap, but in real life are actually meek little mice, just harboring all that in.. and spend most of their time in front of a screen where they can let it all out with no major repercussions.
I wouldn't waste time with him Opinion... he's an online badass. People used to think i was one too... till they met me and found out, im actually nicer online lol...
Your Take is still Amazing and i can't wait to write mine, but the topic is just so big and the ignorant women and the White pussy knight guys... i mean... whats the point... you can't help these pussy stricken fools.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
Lol, I don't care what you believe, I told you often enough, keep living in your cute bubble.

You are completely brainwashed it's insane.

[6suejsjsj]

@Tdieseler
Aww, cute story bro.
I guess that's what people have to resort to if they have easily falsifiable opinions and are too dumb to argue.

[Tdieseler]

@6suejsjsj meh, its what it is... there's really no argument. i dont see an argument. i just see another pathetic pussy blinded moron, and you know what, im fine with that.

[6suejsjsj]

@Tdieseler
Great that you understand that you have no arguments and are just talking out of your ass. 👍
That's the first step!

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj don't worry I know who is right here. I also know how you are going to end up and how I am going to end up.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Tdieseler truth be told that sometimes they are so far off reality that even I get upset and stop having fun with them, still it pays off.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion you are completely delusional. Complete uninformed, just dumb.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj Clearly...

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion yes very clearly, all your cute opinions are easily falsifiable.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj And yet you haven't been able to do it. Like I already told you pathetic ass, go inform yourself instead of just trying to actively look for information that supports what you believe in!

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion you should try to inform yourself at all, everything is better then your current state.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj curious that we think the same of the other in that regard.

[Holistic]

This site has too many bitter people. I've seen too many question starting with "why are all men/women blah blah blah". They take one or two bad life experiences and think of it as the norm. Too many men hate on women for not liking them back, then continue to complain about it even after stating that women are evil. Either change your attitude or stop caring.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

This "They take one or two bad life experiences and think of it as the norm.". Is the core problem in my opinion. I fully agree with you.

[RussianNestingDoll]

You’re awesome 🤘 People who write these things are like whiny immature babies who are mad the dating world doesn’t go they want it to. We live in a world with few absolutes yet they choose to see it that way.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I tottaly agree. So many blame the world instead of putting the responsibility on themselves. I hope this helps to change some perspectives.

[6suejsjsj]

Lol, I couldn't care less about "dating".

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj I wonder why...

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion
Because everything else is more important.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj Are you happy alone? If you are then good for you.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion I am 21 wtf do you think I want to find "the one" or some corny shit like that?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj Didn't said that. I want to know if you want to always be by yourself.
And what do you have agaist people who want to find "the one"? Speacking as someone who has, it's very rewarding.

[6suejsjsj]

@thisismyopinion I don't have anything against people who are delusional and think they are gonna love their partner for ever.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@6suejsjsj If you think that is not possible then you will die alone.