This was a really good post, I am going to use it as a reference in the future.
.. your point?
Some people have been using him as an authority they think is saying that vaccines shouldn't be used. I've only just started the video, I'll come back to you in a couple of hours.
I disagree with the good doctor already, at around 6 minutes in. He thinks that people are good at judging risk. They're not.I mean, "will I be able to make the next turn at this speed?" is something people are good at, but that's because they've been in similar situations thousands of times before.Whereas this (completely made up, but representative) is a completely different kettle of fish: "I'm 27, in a town where 12% of the people have already had the virus and 17% have been vaccinated with the BioNtec vaccine, 8% with the AstraZeneca, and 13% with Johnson and Johnson, the current variant going around is Delta, which is as contagious as chicken pox, and about 20x deadlier than normal flu, and the vaccine I'm being offered has 3 minor side-effects and 2 more are extremely rare but potentially deadly (but they now know what I should watch for and have treatment that makes them 80% less deadly), also one of them affects women five times more often than men...".Nobody will do the maths. What many people will do is say "I've got a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying if I get the virus, and there are 5 potential side-effects of the vaccine, 5 sounds bigger than 1, so I'll pass.". It won't matter that the vaccine dangers are about the same as driving a few hundred miles, or that there might well be far more people around them with the virus by the time they're fully vaccinated, in six or eight weeks.The right thing to do is to get the experts to do the maths, and the politicians and other leaders back them up.He speaks very clearly, so the automatic transcript is easy to read.[cont]
[cont]Dore then talks about the vaccines going into everybody's arm, but I don't think that's the case, they're still only for over-12s, and I think it's not recommended if you're pregnant, so the possibility of birth defects from the vaccine has been considered, but you also have to consider the possibility of the same or worse from catching the disease.The doctor calls it "experimental", and says the government now accepts there are risks, but there were trials run with tens of thousands of participants, and there's only a one in a hundred chance of them turning up a one in a million problem. In the mean time, people were dying in the thousands every day (they still are, but not the vaccinated ones).I think he's technically correct (which is the best kind of correct) and well meaning, but probably going to be mischaracterised by the right to increase hesitancy and get people killed.Then there's the complaint that people are saying people who didn't get vaccinated shouldn't be treated in hospitals. Well, obviously, they should, if there's capacity. If there's not, someone has to make a choice.Arkansas, Alabama, Kentucky, Florida, and North Texas hospitals are already in that situation and Idaho, Nevada and Illinois are also nearing ICU capacity limits.www.axios.com/...-e2fd-4180-af21-df8a3228e6f4.html
Next, the doctor compares vaccines to antibiotics in animals, and talks about "excessively using vaccine inappropriately for people who don't really need it", but most of the people in hospital now are unvaccinated, which almost certainly means younger, so is it really inappropriate? ICUs across the country are at over 75% capacity, much worse in the states I mentioned earlier. It might be another matter if everyone was using non-pharmaceutical interventions (masks, hygiene, distancing), but they're not.It's a fascinating interview, but he expects rationality from people.
He expects people to have CHOICE, not mandates.
"... we know that natural infection provides broader longer lasting and up to 20-fold more effective immune response in terms of preventing reinfection than vaccine does so if the vaccine is no longer effective why should i care because i'll just get natural infection and that'll be better in the end anyhow"Except, unvaccinated people over 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid. Can't you just get the vaccine, then a mild case of the virus? Isn't that the best of both worlds?
You do have a choice, but the way the choice is presented makes a huge difference.
The jab only lasts 6 months. We can't vaccinate our way out of this, 22:30 iirc.
I'll get there, but I'm still at 17 minutes in, and he's saying the virus will mutate to avoid the vaccines, but the Delta virus, the most contagious and deadly so far, appeared in late 2020, before almost anyone had been vaccined. The larger the pool of hosts, the more likely variants are to arise. Vaccines reduce the pool.17:37 "the vaccinated that do have breakthrough infections are walking around feeling relatively healthy and yet producing and shedding just as much virus as the people that have [I think he meant not, here] received vaccine"Don't you think that's why the CDC recommends masks, even for vaccinated people?
Well, the FDA seems to have agreed with him about the third shot. Could it be that they were simply considering all the options and medical arguments before they came to a conclusion?The problem with Malone isn't that he's stupid or wrong, it's that he's pouring fuel into the "if you're not 100% correct about everything, you must be 100% wrong" propaganda mills.Has a single American been forced to take a vaccine other than by the threat of losing their job? They can always choose to quit.
Thanks for MHO. In summary, I think any politician saying not to wear masks disagrees will the FDA, the CDC and Dr. Malone, who agree on most details, and that people do have a choice to vaccinate or not, but that choice may have consequences.
*watched 17 minutes of a 3 hour video**Is now an expert**Still doesn't bother to listen to the guy with 40 years of experience say they are killing people* We all know Malone is an outspoken "right wing radical anti-vaxer conspiracy theorist" 😂🤣😂🤣
@msc545How I feel right here.
Because they are afraid people will figure out the answers. Cigarettes kill 1/5 people in the whole country. They have never tried to protect us. It's about control. It isn't remotely about safety.
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"they don't want anyone to know that Ivermectin works."It does, as a de-wormer. Does it work against covid? Link?
Dude, you are so far behind on this and so brainwashed it's not even worth it. You are what I call, painfully stupid. Ivermectin has been used in humans for deccades. My cat takes Miralax, that doesn't make it unsafe for humans. The fact that it's also known to kill huge resilient parasites in many different species isn't a bad thing. 😂🤣😂Watch the three hour video of Robert Malone "how to save the world in three easy steps"They discuss in detail how it's very safe, and effective at both preventing and treating Covid-19. But, it's about half way through. If you stop at the intro you will stay incompetent. And that's fine with me.
What an Imbecile.
"Watch the three hour video..." Uh, no.Most of the things he says, you probably disagree with, but the FDA and CDC agree with him. The covid vaccines haved saved countless lives, booster shots won't benefit most people (hence the FDA deciding against them), and vaccinated people should still wear masks (the CDC recommendation), so that they don't spread the virus.
My profile picture change was just for the sake of aesthetic diversity because I had the same picture for so long.Who wants to bet almost nobody watches the video before making a declaration that the unvaccinated take horse dewormers?
Or that an inventor of mRNA vaccines is wrong cus they don't like what he says? xD
Fuck thought you changed it to water because of the la palma situation possibly bad but probably fuck all going to happen even if it erupts They live in a different reality that isn't the same world. They know history but think that people are any different today.
Let's see your credentials. You know two top staffers at the health department just quit because they aren't following the science right? Dr. Malone is a leading expert in mRNA any way you slice it. He has no reason so make up bad things about it. You are just some guy who believes the updated Wikipedia page.
Malone is not the expert on mRNA technology. He is one of many, and the VAST majority of the others disagree with him and consider him a nutter. Do they have more reasons than him to make things up? I don't know, but Malone has proclaimed himself the inventor of mRNA technology, which is clearly false, so I have less reason to trust him than the others.No, two top staffers at the Health Department did not quit. I assume you are talking about Gruber and Krause, who both work at the FDA, not the Dept of Health and Human Services. They are both retiring in the coming months, I would guess because they are tired of dealing with all the bullshit surrounding the CoViD vaccine. I can't say I blame them. If you have reason to believe they are leaving for other, more dubious reasons, please share (as long as they are from valid sources). I am all ears. Otherwise I will just assume this is more of the same conspiracy theory nonsense that seems to be the other pandemic these days.Look dude, I'm a pretty conservative guy myself, but what the fuck is it with you right wing fruitcakes that has sent you around the bend on the CoViD vaccine? There is literally zero valid information showing there are any significant concerns with the safety of the vaccine, but a metric ton of information showing it is effective and saves thousands of lives, and could have helped prevent another economic downturn, which unfortunately seems inescapable now due to the current wave of infections that could have been prevented if people only got vaccinated. Help me out here, man. I don't get it.My credentials? I'm a healthcare professional. And yours?
Really his name is on the patent. You miswrote *expert*.https://www.pnas.org/content/86/16/6077The two vaccine scientists at the FDA were heads of vaccine researchers, protesting that the Biden/Harris administration, along with the political head of the FDA are ignoring the science.I don't know if this expert is right, but the fact that so many non experts including people like you want to censor and suppress experts because they don't have the "right" point of view is proof enough for me that there is an agenda in play. The same tired trope. First "All the experts agree X we must do X." Everyone else, "Why are you censoring experts that don't agree with X?" "Shut up you conspiracy theorist, domestic terrorist, anti-scienc, anti-vax, racist, sexist some kind of phobe, and accept X!"
He is AN inventor, not THE inventor.
"As a researcher at the Salk Institute he poineered in vitro RNA transpection technology..." You miswrote *expert*
@genuinlysensitive He and a bunch of other people. He is no expert.
To answer your question from another post, I trust Ivermectin, not Covid or the vaccine in stage 3 clinical trials.
Great. I hope all that Ivermectin does for you is at least neeutral. In high doses (like the ones you get from the animal feed store) it is quite dangerous. At lower doses it does nothing in humans.
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