What do you think about France pulling its ambassador from the US?

[Gwenhwyfar]

[nightdrot]

Well, at the risk of somewhat understating it, measured by global standards, this is something of a tempest in a teapot. It is not good to be sure - and could have been avoided if the ten thumbed Biden Administration had bothered to give Paris a diplomatic "heads up" before it acted - but overall it will not change the fundamentals of the relationship between France and the United States.

In a nutshell, international affairs are about interests, even in the closest relationships. Sentiment is always secondary and while it may sometimes may grease the skids of diplomacy, it ultimately cannot reconcile that which is not reconcilable.

In the words of Lord Palmerston, "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." That being the case, then, the dimensions of a crisis will always be set by cold hard strategic realities.

In this case, look at it through the other end of the telescope. The United States and Britain have deep and longstanding ties with Australia. Further, while France has interests in the Pacific, they are of secondary importance to its interests in Europe. Would France be willing to forfeit those European interests in the name of getting a submarine deal with Australia?

In this case, France was looking for economic and financial gain - fair enough - in a region where its interests were secondary. In the case of Australia, it was not about to bight the hand that defends it from China in the name of a submarine deal with a power who, if faced with a simultaneous crisis in the Pacific and Europe, would choose Europe.

For the United States (and Britain via its Commonwealth ties) the submarine deal with Australia was both one of economic gain and strategic position. French built submarines would require French equipment and maintenance supplies to support, and in a crisis, the United States could not assure that France would be able to provide them. Thus, the US interest in keeping a hand in the arming of Australia.

In any case, the withdrawal of their ambassador by the French in this case is more sound than substance - again, in fairness, aggravated by American diplomatic ineptitude. To be sure, France took an economic hit but to go beyond the shouting, is France willing to sacrifice its larger strategic interests?

Will it quit NATO? It is already gaining NATO's mutual defense guarantee without having to integrate the French armed forces into that defense. Does it have a replacement? Does France, absent NATO, have any reliable allies? Will it sacrifice its essential strategic interests to do a deal with Russia? Is China, powerful but geographically distant, a viable alternative?

Even in the economic realm, outside of the EU, does France have any comparable trading partners as the United States, Australia, Japan, et. al. Is Russia, once the world's second largest economy, now its' 11th, a viable trading option? In any case, given France's treaty obligations to the EU, would she be able to trade with Russia to compensate for the loss of Western markets?

At the end of the day, then, this is mostly "sound and fury signifying nothing." If France tries to make this a greater question of relations between the USA and the rest of the Western world, Paris is apt to find itself quite alone. Because, to repeat, whatever the rest of the world thinks of the United States, raw power is the final determinant of international relations.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Thank you

[nightdrot]

Not at all. Thanks so much for the "thumbs up."

[Gwenhwyfar]

No problem

[ODC2112]

The thing is more complex than it appears. Since the 1970s, Australia has wanted to become independent in the development of submarines. He tried for some time with British industry, without success. The $ 98 billion agreement with France provided for a technology transfer for the production of the submarines of the Barracuda I-class Suffren program. Over the past two years Australia was extremely unhappy with the French contribution. So, there is no surprise that the Australians have severed their relationship with France as it was written on the wall, French go away!

What has changed is Australia's use of submarines. The Suffren were submarines to defend themselves in their own waters, like the current Collins class. What changes now is that Australia is developing Virginia-class submarines to potentially attack China or at least defend against its bullying, they didn't say, but that's a logical implication.

This is now problematic for French industry. Since this year there are elections in France. Naval Group is a bulwark of Macron's nationalist politics. Naval Group was in bankruptcy, it was sold to the Italian Fincantieri. However, a few days after the actual sale, the French government led by Macron nationalizes Naval Group before the "terrible Italians" get their hands on it. This has led to a lot of discontent in Italy and a strong climate of anti-French hatred for which the European rules are valid only when they are the ones who buy, but when they have to be bought then they are no longer valid.
Now negotiations are opening for compensation for Naval Group, which, however, will not be able to compensate for the losses suffered. Risks relate to long-term assets due to declining orders. Naval Group has had problems in many countries, where it was unable to obtain the expected orders. According to “La Tribune”, Naval Group, like other French companies, is unable to anticipate the competition in those countries considered strategic for Paris. A situation also linked to the fact that the State is too present within it. Among these is Poland, which for the design of three frigates has pre-selected the Spanish Navantia and the German ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems. Romania could retrace its steps by withdrawing from a 1.2-billion-euro contract for the supply of four Gowind corvettes, after the tender won by Naval Group together with the Romanian Constanța Shipyard in July 2019. Saudi Arabia in the past inclined to buy from Naval Group now turns to the Italian Fincantieri and the Spanish Navantia. Morocco seems to have excluded France for the purchase of two new FREMM frigates and turned to the Italian Fincantieri. With the end of this agreement, Naval Group is likely to go bankrupt. This has a domino effect on the French industry which affects both the Naval Group and the related industries. Given the vile behavior of the French government towards Fincantieri, no one will buy Naval Group which will go bankrupt and with it France will lose a large part of the naval investments made so far.
This is the cause of France behaviour.

[pillingsadness]

Honestly I can understand why the french are mightily pissed about this. It's not just the loss of the contract but the way it was handled by Australia, US and UK. It seems France was being purposely kept in the dark by its allies and not informed until the very last days. That's a very disrespectful move and probably a pretty dumb one too. Instead the three could have notified France and worked out some sort of face-saving deal and we wouldn't be there.

[Julielamar2]

People who comment miss the point. Beyond the economic aspect, it is above all that France was excluded from the strategic aspect of the Indo Pacific by these allies. This is not about France's bruised ego. Nor only about a cancelled armament contract. This is about **trust** between supposed "oldest" allies.

[Gwenhwyfar]

That makes a lot of sense

[Julielamar2]

Of course, it is the strategic aspects that are important in this story. France wanted to be part of the "Indo Pacific axis" especially since in addition we have a territory in the Indo Pacific we could have played a role.

if France had reacted thus only for this contract, I would have been the first to say that my country had a childish reaction

[abc3643]

That's pretty serious and is a major statement by France of their very upset by what the US did with Australia and submarines. I don't fully understand it, though. I wonder what @JulieLamar2 has to say. She is French and asked this question 2 days ago...
Are we going towards a diplomatic crisis between the Usa and France? ↗

[abc3643]

Oh, this is about $66 billion. That's nothing.

France was going to sell $66 billion of diesel-electric submarines to Australia who canceled the contract in favor or American nuclear-powered submarines. From a defense, reliability, and environmental perspective, nuclear submarines are the way to go especially given China's increasingly larger navy.

The way this gets resolved is that the English, Australians, and Americans spend $66 billion on French products, ideally technology or defense-related products. The US can do that by having a long-term deal with Airbus and Dassault for military aircraft primarily based in Australia. Getting the Indians, Indonesians, Japanese, and South Koreans on board would help too.

[Julielamar2]

People who comment miss the point. Beyond the economic aspect, it is above all that France was excluded from the strategic aspect of the Indo Pacific by these allies. This is not about France's bruised ego. Nor only about a cancelled armament contract. This is about **trust** between supposed "oldest" allies.

[abc3643]

@Julielamar2 I totally agree.

[Julielamar2]

Thank you, it is the strategic aspects that are important in this story. France wanted to be part of the "Indo Pacific axis" especially since in addition we have a territory in the Indo Pacific we could have played a role.

if France had reacted thus only for this contract, I would have been the first to say that my country had a childish reaction

[ronaldo75]

@Julielamar2 Please stop being dishonest. France was well aware Australians were talking to the USA for months. They knew it was coming and in typical French fashion they ignored it until it became a problem now they want to play victim. Australia had been very clear as early as that they were becoming uncomfortable with the idea of going into the 21st century with antiquated diesel designs that the French were NOT developing at a comfortable pace and with the setbacks the $66 Billion was already estimated to reach $90 Billion for the first fleet plus untold billions for 20-40 years worth of maintenance.

In February at the latest Australia was already in a place where they'd be in the year 2041 with 80 year old technology at $100 plus billion from 2nd-tier French Engineers. France knew the Australians were unhappy. They were NOT kept out of the conversation.

The French chose to ignore this until the contract was actually cancelled. Now they want to cry about it.

"Australian-French submarine contract on verge of being abandoned"
www.bignewsnetwork.com/.../australian-french-submarine-contract-on-verge-of-being-abandoned

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[libsaretards]

It's their loss, they are just throwing a hissy fit and they are ruining their own international reputation. Australia and the U. S. NEVER made a promise to do business with France. They also NEVER promised to refrain from reaching a deal. Australia is not a threat to France's safety nor are they enemies so there is no real reason for France to be upset. Yes, they lost out on a lucrative deal, but businesses deal with these types of bad deals all the time, they get the fuck over it and move on. How France is acting will hurt them in the future because who will want to do business with a nation whose government throws temper tantrums when they do not get their way? As for the U. S., we do not lose anything. France will come back to the table because they need the U. S. much more than we need them. Even if France forever shuns the U. S., that is no big loss to us.

[ChrisMaster69]

Hysterical actually.

especially when you look how fucked up the diesel electric contract was.

really mismanaged and no wonder the Aussies pulled the plug.

The problem is the French can’t compete with UK or US nuke boats.

Both the US and UK will make use of any Aussie SSN facility for their own SSN’s.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Thank you

[tartaarsaus]

The French have got state of the art nuclear submarines. The Australians wanted diesel-electric ones.

[ChrisMaster69]

@tartaarsaus the French boats are not on par with latest Astute or US Block V’s

[tartaarsaus]

@ChrisMaster69

Based on what? The Barracuda class is about 6 years newer in terms of development.

[ChrisMaster69]

@tartaarsaus what barracuda boats are currently built and commissioned?

What about servicing schedule on the barracuda power plants?

TLAM etc.

[tartaarsaus]

@ChrisMaster69

I mean, every single new tech will have fewer built and commissioned than tech developed 10 years before. And for the record, 5 are being built and 1 is completed.

That’s a logical consequence of the Barracuda being newer than the Astute.

[ChrisMaster69]

@tartaarsaus the Astute as with every weapons platform has upgrades to each build.

This has been standard to both ships and subs since forever, you build a QE Super-battle ship, then you realise 10 years later building the last in line, you need newer stuff on it.

The majority of the Navies do this when building, for example kit for later builds appeared in latest sub commissioned, the rest will then likely receive it as mid life upgrade or as a part of a refit during maintenance.

Also the French fucked the Aussies over with the contract, security was a huge concern, % of work to be carried out in Australia was dropping, lead times and costs where getting crazy.

Overall for Cold War and other theatres the French have not been as busy as the US or UK,

The French dropped the ball on this big time and are now crying about it.

If I was a betting man, the new Canadian boats will likely be the same as the Aussie ones.

Both the UK and US are going to be heavily committed in the Pacific rim, the French politically are too much a lose cannon. This is not saying they don’t get involved or do stuff in regards to the military, it’s the political side of things.

Also Eurocorps is a big concern to NATO and impact on any global commitments.

This is more than a simple submarine order.

[Julielamar2]

The British were unable to build their Astute submarine without American assistance. The United States accepts only auxiliaries as allies. This is the only role Brexit leaves to the British.

And France was not only deprived of an important contract but kicked out of a strategic partnership.

[invalid1]

I just knew this from here. I hate the fact that I am politically educated, but I always longed to seem like a grown person because of my neurodevelopmental disorder. So I just know that France-US relationships are so essential and deep historically.. it's actually a surprise to know this.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Thanks for answering

[EnglishEuropean]

It's good to be politically educated. It's not good to take this s**t too seriously.

[invalid1]

@Gwenhwyfar you're welcome

[invalid1]

@EnglishEuropean I agree

[NYCQuestions1976]

Apparently this is all over a multi-billion dollar nuclear submarine intellectual and manufacturing contract dispute between the allies. France is annoyed that Australia canceled a contract with them and went with a contract with the United States instead, and it appears France found out the decision from the news, and not directly from the two other countries. This is a case of, "I'm taking my ball, and going home!" I'm sure it'll be resolved sooner rather than later.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Hopefully

[tartaarsaus]

Understandable. It costs them 50 billion euros and puts their national defense contractor in peril. It also shows Europe needs to separate itself more from the USA.


As with Trump, Biden is simply pursuing an America First policy and frequently shows not to be reliable to allies. So Europe needs to invest more in its geopolitical position and separate from the USA.

[tartaarsaus]

Also very important, France is a proud nation and elections are coming. Being mad at Anglo-Saxons always works there

[Gwenhwyfar]

Thank you

[Jamie05rhs]

@tartaarsaus How did they lose money? Were they already in the production stage? Did they have an established contract that was cancelled?

[tartaarsaus]

@Jamie05rhs

There was a contract that the Australians signed for delivery of submarines and then Australia decided to cancel it

[Jamie05rhs]

Oh, they did? Wowww. That's f'ed up. That's not right.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Jamie05rhs It wasn't the contract cancelation by itself... it was more about the way it was handled. Apparently France found out through news sources that Australia was canceling their contract in favor of the contract from the United States instead of finding out from Australia directly. So France pulled their ambassadors in protest.

[Jamie05rhs]

@NYCQuestions1976 I see. I guess there's no point in having ambassadors there if people don't even talk.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Jamie05rhs. Exactly. It was a gesture to prove a point. Australia should've said something to France before the media found out. France still would've been mad (it's a multi-billion contract), but they probably wouldn't have pulled their ambassadors. I'm sure they'll be sent back soon enough.

[Crazybeeguy]

What a little "bitch" the war ahead is more complicated then hurt feelings over submarines. Indo-pacific sea has a bad dictator trying to steal soverign countries. It's been happening for the last couple of years. Finally, Biden has done the right thing. If this goes according to what its supposed to, meaning free nations. I am voting for Biden, on mid terms.

[Ghostlock]

I think a lot of strange things are going on around the world that are adding up to no good when you put it all together. I am bracing myself for the worst. I hope I am just looking at things with a conspiracy theorist mind right now and not through the mind of a realist... because if what I am seeing and how it is adding up is the truth, may God help us all.

[andreasderjuengere]

This is the worst that could happen.
The U. S. now will suffer seven years of plague,
and France collapses into nothingness.

The end is near.
It's all a conspiracy.

I'll continue to grow my garden herbs.
:D

[Gwenhwyfar]

You will tend your garden 😊

[andreasderjuengere]

No ambassador will stop me there :D

[Avicenna]

Once again, Democrats are pissing off our “allies”, who are really dependencies. Obama spied on Merkel, now Biden undercuts France on a lucrative submarine deal. Nary a word of complaint from Democrats, though.
The Democrats’ real allies are the CCP, the Iranian mullahs, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, the Cuban Communists, and other anti-US leftists. But it’s funny seeing France, which has often stabbed the US in the back, throw a hissy fit.

[Lj0011]

Ummm it has to do with the prime minister of Australia ( Conservative government) pulling out of a submarine deal with the French and the Australian government dealing with the Usa and not notifying the French of the new deal. Id be pretty annoyed as well. We need the new technology for rising tensions with the CCP but Morrison should have communicated with France in a much better fashion, although this pandemic has shown how useless the PM is.

[FilmGuy93]

I think it's a very interesting thing to do and I'm not sure what to make of it. I don't think it actually has anything to do with the US giving its sub technology to the Australians. It seems so much more likely that the French pulled their ambassador as a sign of disrespect to Biden.

[BCA6010]

They're doing it because our state department is a miserable disaster. They'll be back when they want something from the US, which I'm sure the current administration will happily part with at no costs to themselves.

[rcljr]

joe biden could fuck up a glass of water.

[NathanDavis]

Just another episode of pretending "we're not friends anymore" but just wait till the next chance to make some good money... and things will go back to normal, BUSINESS, as usual, that won't change anytime soon

[NathanDavis]

just like the USA and Russia... who are supposed to be sworn, mortal enemies that hate each other and would do anything to destroy the other... however the two governments have at least half a dozen agreements to not mess with each other and maintain peace... of which, some agreements were renewed recently, while others have been long-standing

[LaFerrari]

I mean France is the same country that endorses chemical spraying on a commercial and governmental level worldwide and gain $400 billion US dollars a year for PCA, See the Paris Climate Agreement for more information...

They could really care less, they are making an egoistical pouting move, make it worldwide news to spark a better deal with someone else. That's all it is... USA isn't the only country with nuclear submarine contracts...

[bolverk]

France is pissed with the deal between US/UK/Aus because Aus was going to buy Submarines from France, but those Submarines were an 'Off the shelf' nuclear design that had been redesigned to be diesel electric but the proposed budget was soaring to well past $90 Billion.

[Jersey2]

I think they are heist trying to het some money for their lost submarine deal with Australia. Australia will obviously be better off with nuclear submarines vs conventional propulsion in an upcoming confrontation with China.

France knows that and knows that it makes sense for the Australians to cozy up with their big brother the USA. The French just want to complain to get as much money as possible or some other valuable concessions. The US, UK and Australia should just say no.

[Jersey2]

I think the are just trying*

(Man I hate the Shiite spellcheck)

[Lj0011]

While i agree 100% Morrison should have communicated in a much better fashion. This pandemic and this deal has shown how out of touch he is.

[Hallo626262]

Great nobody needs the us UK or Australia.

[Jersey2]

@Hallo626262 You are either Chinese or just plain stupid. I won’t even get into why as what you said is just moronic and you can’t fix stupid as the saying goes.

[Hallo626262]

Nobody needs them

[ewok737]

It's not the first or last time that there has been a squabble with France, in time it will pass like all the other times.
France supported the colonists in the Revolutionary War, with guns armament, etc.
We went to liberate France in two world wars, we are truly allies.

[Lynx122]

It shows the world we live in. They had no problem supporting the U. S. with all their shady shit in Africa and the Middle East but when it's about money then suddenly they have issues with how things are going.

[Cryptoanonne]

Exactly

[BillyBalls]

I don't think highly of France as an political entity but good on them.

And the Democrats claimed Trump alienated the European allies.


But other than that your question made me thirsty for some Burgandy.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Lol…

[Andres77]

Wow... education on a Saturday morning... I only wanted to read about the fun stuff... thanks Gwen...😉

[Gwenhwyfar]

Sorry lol

[Andres77]

You're fine.
I just had no idea this happened.

[rcljr]

We all live in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine…

[Stoner710]

As long as joe Biden is president all countries should all pull there ambassadors from the embass and not speak to us for the next 3 years and 4 months

[Fuentes]

The french are secret facist and commies & we saved their asses in ww2 & vietnam all i can say is they are a weak country but more countries should ice out America until Biden's whole administration is out of office.

[Hallo626262]

Lol americans really think they played an important role in WW2?

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Hallo626262 I don’t agree with @Fuentes a lot but he’s right that America played a vital role in winning WWII

[Fuentes]

@Hallo626262 we did British and Canadians were being stomped and Russia begged us and the Allies begged us to jump in and wee did liberated France after our invasion in 1944 funny how as soon. as we jumped in we ended that ish in 1945 in only a years-old the whole world was getting beat up since the 30's once the US steps in all of a sudden the Nazi's are sent packing, and Russia begged us to march into Germany & we said ok go ahead we also raced the British with taking down Italy, then Anzac forces Australia was getting stomped on by Japan not even China could stop them

[Fuentes]

@Hallo626262 but here comes the big bad USA IF A sending brand new fresh out of Bootcamp Marines dien to the pacific spreading ourrselves thin and we chased the Japanese out something Australia and New Zealand should have been able to do but did not and then we gave Japan the atomic bomb of Hiroshima so yeah its a common fact in history the US intervention lead and ended a war it took the rest of the world years to fight but we only were there fir a year. So yes we lead the way and you all followed us thats why Dwight D Eisenhower was the leader if the allied forces an American so open up a book and see we played a huge role buddy!

[AdmiralSirJohn]

Just think about this: It took JOE BIDEN to make France pull its ambassador since BEFORE THE CONSTITUTION. You have to be a supreme screwup to do that, which shows just how bad this country has become.

[rcljr]

Not the whole country, just the democrats.

[AdmiralSirJohn]

@rcljr And the rest of us for allowing them to take the kind of control they've never had before.

[rcljr]

Are you vaxxed? Do you wear a mask?

[legalboxers]

well since they echoed what Mr. America First America Alone is known for, I dont think we will get our credibility. Sure "America First and America Alone" but it is hypocritical since Israel cried for help, who is front and center, Sideshow Don.. Why? His Son in Law, he has to make nice-nice or his daughter will put him though the shredder but I dont think that would of stopped him anyway.

[Lillie_xo]

"WELL YOU'RE NOT INVITED TO MY BIRTH-DAY-PAR-TY" >:[

[Gwenhwyfar]

😂😂😂

Thanks for answering

[RealMarek]

It’s not just about the money. I’m not sure why France was kept in the dark and excluded from Indo-Pacific strategy.

[Gwenhwyfar]

Honestly me either

[Lliam]

I think it's funny. On one hand, the U. S. and Australia are both FUBAR. But Macron is a joke. His tantrum is meaningless.
People should be upset that ANY country wants to sell nuclear submarines to the insane government of OZ.

[NamerOfStars]

... Is Macron somehow under the impression that the world was running short of international tension, and needed more? And if he wants this to be seen as a serious issue, why hasn't he pulled his ambassador from Australia?

[tartaarsaus]

He has pulled the Ambassador from Australia

[NamerOfStars]

@tartaarsaus Oh. The article I saw didn't mention that. Fair enough on that point, then.

[Jerre]

I don’t blame France for doing that. Biden is such an asshole, he’s going to wind up with the U. S. losing a lot more than France.

[Gwenhwyfar]

I don’t hate Biden but I think this was a bad move alienating France

[Wester1967]

Bye bye empire. France was never yours to lose buddy

[SaoirseS]

Seems like a pointless, pouty, and hollow gesture. “We’re going to recall our ambassador, that’ll show them!” But also, “Hey we’re going to leave our consular services and diplomatic missions open.”

[VanillaSalt]

Good. We abandoned our own people allies should abandon us. I’m sorry for the shit the US has done because of this dumbass. Regardless idc about any support from anyone even when we’re in the right.

[Kabluie]

Considering small things like we buy so many Airbus planes from the French company, and they have a factory in Alabama where they produce a lot of jobs, it's kind of petty we ended up hurting one of our better allies.

[Alexandrubaschet08]

I feel good that France had been ignorade and now they feel insulted, my country had been insulted by France will we thought they whas our friend and aliaces.
"You don't like it when iy hapen to you France, don't you?" :P

[BrosephBrostar]

As much as I would like to see the Chad Anglosphere unite again, I'm not trusting any international agreements while we have our current crop of politicians in power, especially Beijing Biden.

[Pterodon]

I think it’s hilarious. Democrats accused Trump of pissing off our allies but none pulled out their ambassadors

[Miristheiss]

It is unfortunate but I'm sure this will go somewhat back to normal when Biden isn't the president anymore and someone more competent is in charge.

[Static_In_The_Attic]

As some say Shit Happens & we can’t please everyone.

[RyanEC]

I think the French government is justified in such actions.
Although I believe Macron to be as bad as Biden.
They are both globalists and both traitors to their respective nations.

[t-8900]

no love loss. Not like we need them for anything anyways

[Anonymous]

Serves us right. We didn't tell them 'til the last minute about the whole deal with the submarine. Both the US and Australia are backstabbing assholes! I swear, our government pisses me off with this shit.

[Anonymous]

Typical French move. The French have always thought far more highly of themselves than anyone else does. They are very self important and arrogant people. This is a slap to their face that was well deserved.

[ZackBan]

The longest standing alliance of our modern times is shaking for the very first time.

[ThisDudeHere]

Not for the first time though. France once left NATO and the US did not support it during the Suez crisis.

[ZackBan]

Yeah it's just politics at this point especially considering france has elections coming up soon so everyone is trying to act tough for the voters

[Scotte1us]

I am so glad , we dont need spoiled french government they think they rule the world french president is not only weird , he is a jerk, i dont think french people like him.

[B4852]

Haven't heard about that one until just now. I have heard that Australia is going to get help from America and England to build nuclear submarines as they cancel their contract with France.

[karaspara]

Oh yeah I did read that the other day

[B4852]

Apparently it does have to do with the submarines.

[jshm2]

Too right, that poor bastard has suffered enough living in the USA.

[Grond21]

Can't say I blame them. The USA is losing credibility with our allies right and left

[Tstrbrainer]

Haven't heard of it till now.

But isn't that a serious move?

[Gwenhwyfar]

Yes.

[NYlatefun]

It seems to me like it’s been well hidden by the press but it may be the biggest diplomatic conflict we’ve had in recent history with an ally. Not good at all.

[Marginalgirl2367]

I don't know. If anyone knows, I would like to know

[Gwenhwyfar]

Over a messed up nuclear sub deal. The legal term is tortious interference with contract.

[Marginalgirl2367]

Thank you for taking the time to explain. Where are you from?

[Gwenhwyfar]

New Jersey. And you’re welcome 😊.

[loveslongnails]

As usual, the French are pouting because the world revolves around them.

[loveslongnails]

Odd that someone named "libsareretards" liked my opinion. And right wingers aren't?

[rcljr]

Whatever floats their boat, Er, Submarine…🤣🤣🤣, y’all want your fkn statue back too?

[FreeOhSeven]

I think it is a sign of the times “, but I really don’t watch much rv or really even concern myself with the mainstream news.

[BlacklightShade]

The pullout method is not reliable.

[Gwenhwyfar]

😂😂😂

[54Will]

I kinda don't blame them, because the deal to sell submarines to another nation fell through do to ineptitude high up in America's administration. They'll get over it soon enough.

[front2back]

Get better sub tech and actually deliver them within a reasonable time frame, frogs.

[smahala1991]

I just hope they remember WHO saved their asses when they liberated them from the Nazis

[Guanfei]

And I hope you remember who saved yours in your little revolution.

[Kate_Utt]

France has recalled its ambassadors to the US and Australia in protest at being pushed out of a multibillion-dollar submarine deal.

[MrSwisher]

The Anglo American alliance is making a huge mistake alienating the French at a time of weakness and uncertainty.

[EnglishEuropean]

The French are pissed because they lost a contract. You can argue Australia acted in bad faith but it's more than a little childish of the French.

[Julielamar2]

This is not the most essential contract in this story

[noohair]

During and after WWII the Brits had major soviet spies in their government. Why did we exclude France?

[EnglishEuropean]

Now the spies ARE the government.