Are Liberals using reverse psychology to kill Conservatives with COVID?

[BlacklightShade]

With so many Conservatives rebelling against COVID vaccines, and dying because of it, is it possible Liberals are deliberately pushing Conservatives away from getting vaccinated by endorsing it?

From Breitbart:
"Do you want to know why I think Howard Stern is going full-monster with his mockery of three fellow human beings who died of the coronavirus? Because leftists like Stern and CNNLOL and Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi and Anthony Fauci are deliberately looking to manipulate Trump supporters into not getting vaccinated."

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/

Yes, Breitbart is correct. Liberals are pushing COVID vaccines so that Conservative refuse to take it

No, Breitbart is wrong. Conservatives individually decided not to get vaccinated on their own, regardless of politics

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Or, are Liberals using reverse-reverse psychology to make Conservatives THINK we are using reverse psychology so they would want to get vaccinated just to own the Libs?

[Lliam]

This article smells like it was written by the CIA, or Kaus Schwab, or a pharma think tank. It's propaganda designed to influence the dumbest of idiots. In fact is demonstrates how much disdain the masters have for common people by believing they are stupid enough to fall for this pathetic attempt at manipulation.

If John Nolte actually wrote it, he is obviously double agent; a paid shill for the evil eugenicists who are pushing the jab. He tries to demonstrate his right-wing leanings by bagging on one of the most malignant piles of putrid shit on the planet, Howard Stern. In doing so, Nolte is virtue signaling as a tactic. His article contained no information aside from quoting an obviously bullshit stat by the corrupt CDC that has been debunked. The entire article is flat out pro-jab, pro-eugenics, pro-Democrat propaganda. And he's promoting the nonsense that political bias is responsible for refusal to take the jab.

In reality, refusal to take the jab is not a partisan issue. It's based on common sense and informed reason. I know for a fact that informed people across the political spectrum are rejecting the jab based on science. And if it's just people on the right refusing it, how does shit bag Nolte explain the fact that African Americans and Latinos, who are predominantly Democrat, are also overwhelmingly refusing the eugenics jab.

I can't believe that people would waste time read such vomiting drivel. Yet I just did because of the question.

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[Lliam]

@goaded. So you're saying that politicians and billionaires were mandated to get the jab? LOL
From what I've heard, it was people in retirement and nursing homes who were some of the original victims because part of the goal is to eliminate people who are on pensions because pension funds are broke. Give 'em covid or give 'em the jab. Same difference.

[goaded]

No, there were lots of tests first, then when it was proven safe they got the jabs.

Like Trump (who also had an early treatment when he caught it, and still went on to be vaccinated), and all the people at Fox News who carried on convincing their audience not to get it.

[Lliam]

@goaded. Whatever you say. 🤣🤣🤣

[goaded]

Rupert Murdoch got vaccinated last December. It's not like this is idle speculation, or are you suggesting everyone is lying to you?

[Lliam]

@goaded. Not at all. There a lot of people telling the truth. You just never head of them. There is an ocean of information and you haven't even gotten your feet wet. Covid is just one aspect of an agenda that you have no knowledge of and would therefore deny. You keep talking about Democrats and Republicans, celebrities and mainstream media babble.

[goaded]

And you keep making incredible leaps of faith based on nothing much.

Pick one testable assertion one of your people has made, and explain it to me, or link to it, and I'll be happy to discuss it with you, as long as @BlacklightShade doesn't object.

Even better, show me one testable assertion any of them made six months or more ago that came true.

[goaded]

The AI Bot Choice is bloody annoying, isn't it?

[Lliam]

@goaded. "Leaps of faith, based on nothing much." What a conceited assumption. You are so utterly ignorant that there would no ground on which to build a discussion.

I don't mean "ignorant" in an insulting way. Ignorance isn't stupidity. It's just lack of knowledge. I am certainly ignorant. Everyone is ignorant. “The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know.” ~ Einstein.

I assume that you're intelligent. But I also know that you are greatly lacking in knowledge on certain things. Worse than that, you're indoctrinated. You act like an evangelist, taking what you have heard as gospel while mocking and discounting anything that doesn't conform to your religion. You are certain that your ministers on "liberal" mainstream media have told you everything there is to know.

It would be impossible to bring you up to speed on how thing work. And it would be pointless to try.

You're not sincere in asking for information because you're incapable of giving it open minded consideration.

[goaded]

Of course you would claim there's no ground on which to build a discussion, because you don't seem to have any grounds to base one on.

Closed minded me said: "Pick one testable assertion one of your people has made, and explain it to me, or link to it, and I'll be happy to discuss it with you, as long as @BlacklightShade doesn't object.

Even better, show me one testable assertion any of them made six months or more ago that came true."

Forgive me for wanting to take one thing at a time, and not a flood of misinformation.

[Lliam]

@goaded. Read my lips. There is no point in trying to "prove" anything to you. It would be a complete waste of time.
Go ahead and take that as a victory. 😂

[goaded]

So, nothing your vaccine doomsayers have said would happen over the last nine months has actually happened? Whereas in the same period, people who have been vaccinated have been an order of magnitude less likely to die if they catch it. Is that right?

[Lliam]

@goaded. Sure. If you believe the propaganda and don't do further research

[goaded]

So, we're balancing people who have had nothing they've predicted come true over the last 18 months against actual measurable statistics like the numbers dying right now per day in New York (40), compared to Florida (300+)?

Has it ever occurred to you that you might be the one spreading propaganda? Even if you mean well by it?

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[NYCQuestions1976]

Well if that's even remotely/humorously true, then it's not working. Maybe it's reverse reverse psychology? The majority of people who are currently not getting vaccinated in the United States are living in close proximity of one another in the inner cities across the country. People living in large cities generally don't identify as conservatives or Republicans. Yet the liberal national media only seems to be fascinated with and focused on the people across the country living in the middle of rural nowhere who aren't vaccinated, and that's less than half the issue. Here's the New York City fully vaccinated numbers. Everyone should check the demographics tables:

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page

The vaccination numbers are similar in Chicago and Los Angeles. It is what it is. Ignore reality like the liberal national media does if it makes you happy. Free country. I'm tired of talking into the wind about this issue. There's only so much one person can do. I'm vaccinated, so I did my part. Whatever.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Thanks for Most Helpful. 👍

[PinkMichae]

The thing is conservatives aren't against the vaccine. They are against the government making it mandatory. Politically they make it seem like it's just the right refusing vaccines.

In fact they have found that blacks and Hispanic people are the least vaccinated from all other races. And most minority groups vote Democrat in the United States.

It's really a mixture of all races and political groups that haven't gotten vaccinated. But the current administration and mainstream media want you to believe otherwise to keep us divided.

https://usafacts. org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/? utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-COVID-Vaccine&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqKuKBhCxARIsACf4XuHuL4DfYENpUaP5zSdRiwALOQPYcXnMq9D6ubx1A67kMhpqzIlfBxwaAnM-EALw_wcB

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Lack of medical infrastructure has made it harder for minorities to get vaccinated (you have a co-founding variable there). Biden tried to address this issue but when he did the right went on their usual diatribe of claiming "oh you see, liberals are the real racists because they think minorities are too stupid to get vaccinated".

No really, you have one neighborhood with 1 CVS and another with 5, which one is going to have a higher vaccination rate?

[PinkMichae]

I have not seen anything about the right being against helping minorities to get vaccinated. I'll be happy to look at your evidence of that. The only thing the right has argued is minorities can provide identification to vote.

Now I do believe they may not have the same accessibility. I know this feeling because I live in a rural town where the nearest Walgreens and Walmart are 25 miles away. I couldn't even get my son tested they are so booked up. The next nearest is 50 miles away to the bigger city where I had to take him. So I get it could be hard for minorities who are typically Democrats and people who live in rural areas that are typically conservative. But you assume all on the right are refusing to get it when they too might want it but don't have the same accessibility as big cities that are typically Democrat.

It's absolutely ridiculous to blame one political party when if it weren't for a republican president you may not even have these vaccines.

You have the left calling Trump supporters a cult. Well if we are then why wouldn't we get the vaccine he helped us get so quickly? Follower of cults do everything their cult leader tells them. The facts are is we aren't. Lots of us got vaccinated and some didn't. And it's the same with every American of every race and every political party.

And what about the real anti-vaxers who get their children exempt from all vaccines? People like that are typically liberal. Or naturalist that only want to use homeopathic therapies. Point is what I said before. All types aren't getting it including people naturally immune.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Well if you look at opinion polls, vaccine hesitancy for COVID is more prevalent among Republicans.

www.forbes.com/.../?sh=16122c98735f

As for race, there's no clear answer there because different polls have given conflicting results as to whether there's a racial component over intent to obtain the vaccine. However, I haven't seen any polls that indicate that there isn't a partisan divide on vaccine hesitancy.

But regardless of who does and doesn't want to get the vaccine, the less people who get vaccinated => more people get infected => more chances the virus has to evolve into new variants. So it doesn't matter if your pro or anti vaccine per se when the virus evolves into a variant that the vaccine is ineffective against.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

It's like following through on antibiotics (and how resistant strains emerge when you don't do so).

[PinkMichae]

So why do you think black and Hispanic people are getting the vaccine the least?

Anyway. Republicans may be less vaccinated. One side has to have more. But I don't believe it's a big difference. But my point is people need to stop just blaming Republicans and conservatives.

The fact is Republicans also don't discount natural immunity like a lot democrats do. They know if you have had the virus, your body built a natural immunity to it. So why chance a vaccine that didn't have the same time spent on perfecting it as other vaccines and risk unknown adverse reactions or although rare, death?

Theirs science that proves natural immunity from the virus is just as effective as the vaccine. All the vaccine does is to simulate natural immunity.

And even if more Republicans are not getting vaccinated. Does that discount everyone else that's refusing it?

Also I believe the mainstream media is blowing it out of proportion. It's just another tool for the government to keep us divided. And I'm sick of us being so divided in a country that's suppose to be United. It's getting old how people blame everyone else but themselves. And everyone thinks they are right and refuses to compromise.

I was hesitant about the vaccine. But I knew covid-19 was killing people that are unhealthy like me. I have an autoimmune disease so I took the risk and got fully vaccinated. And I don't regret it. I want people to get vaccinated. I also want everyone to stop blaming each other.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

-Black and Hispanic people are vaccinated the least because they have less access to pharmacies.

-The differences observed between republicans and democrats is statistically significant.

-It's not that Democrats discount natural immunity, it's just that it isn't as effective as vaccination:
www.cdc.gov/.../s0806-vaccination-protection.html
Also the only way to get natural immunity is to get COVID-19 in the first place.

-Any policy will have side effects. For example, if a country is invaded and the invader is killing civilians left and right, a draft would be implemented and many conscripts will die in combat as a result but more will die if the invader isn't driven out. Similarly some people will experience adverse side effects from the vaccine but far more people will die and suffer from the long term health impacts of covid if vaccine mandates aren't implemented (even if they get vaccinated because you're letting the virus mutate into new variants).

-If someone has a medical condition where they would experience serious side effects from the vaccine they should be exempt from any mandate.

-If anything the media is downplaying the severity. The reason that case fatality rate is as low as it is now is because we've learned how to better treat it. If the healthcare system is overwhelmed then we'd probably have a 2-3% mortality rate.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Ad_Quid_Orator There are dozens of free vaccination sites set up all over New York City in predominantly minority communities and in the inner city areas of the City. Here's New York City's current fully vaccinated numbers. Check the demographics tables:

www1.nyc.gov/.../covid-19-data-vaccines.page

The current vaccination numbers for minorities are similar in Chicago and Los Angeles. Last I checked,
large metropolitan areas aren't hotbeds for Republicans and/or conservatives. It is what it is. Ignore half the reality like the liberal national media does (only focusing on people in rural areas not getting vaccinated) if it makes you happy. Free country. I'm tired of talking into the wind about this issue. There's only so much one person can do. I'm vaccinated, so I did my part. Whatever.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@NYCQuestions1976 Yeah it's a free country and no one is going to come into your house and inject the vaccine if you don't get it. But being a free country doesn't mean people have the freedom to jeopardize public safety. If you don't want to get the vaccine, fine don't and stay home.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Ad_Quid_Orator Well then you'll be telling far more people in major metropolitan areas across the country to stay home than people in rural areas.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@NYCQuestions1976 No kidding, disease travels faster in metropolitan areas.

[Crazybeeguy]

I agree with you, I know people that got the original strain and most were like "thats it?, its nothing" one person who might have had it claimed that he was practically dying. He was always "sick." I agree with you that they need to stop blamming republicans. Some of the reason is hard to reach, but what about uber that is giving rides to vaccinations? If people are not getting it because of access then thats our goverments fault for lack of infrastructure, not red vs blue

[Crazybeeguy]

@Ad_Quid_Orator two posts ago you were in favor of a mandate. I umderstand you have anger issues. But people here posted true data. Thats why the people that refuse getting vaccinated, because you and other Democrats have missplaced anger. Be angry at yourself and stop making this political. The virus doesn't care if you are red or blue. But you do, fuck the mandates.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Crazybeeguy The virus also has more opportunities to mutate into new strains that the vaccine is even less effective against if it isn't mandated. You don't want to get the vaccine, fine don't get it and stay out of public spaces.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

So stop pretending that opposition to the vaccine mandates is about "freedom".

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Ad_Quid_Orator People should get vaccinated, but you can't coerce or force compliance and you can't tell people to not leave their homes. This isn't Communist China or the Soviet Union. A vaccinated person shouldn't have any virus concerns anyway.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@NYCQuestions1976 China letting people do stupid shit with no regard to public health is why we're in this mess in the first place.

And people who are vulnerable (16.5% of the population has a 14.5% chance of dying if contracting the virus) have been living in their homes or risk dying. This is the statistical equivalent of making 1/7th of the population win a round of Russian Roulette if they want to leave their homes. This is unmitigated tyranny (the governments' not the only thing that can take away liberty).

[Crazybeeguy]

@Ad_Quid_Orator so does the flu, so get vaccinated every year because it will become mutated. Influenza kills 650k per year it can mutate into something extremely dangerous. Use your head you logic has fallacies. If a person has been vaccinated it is like "catching" the virus. The vaccine has an orignal purpose, to introduce the spike protiens or tissue. The Moderna vaccine does this, by using an RNA method by having your cells create the spikes. That your immune system identifies as an antigen. Then creates anti bodies or the T-killer cells attack amd kill it. I don't know which one, the info is not readily available. Covid-19 is a form of SARS virus that mutated enough to be more deadly than SARS. Also to get its own name, still it is a Corona virus like SARS. The classic vaccine is a version of the virus that is not able to deliver its dna, rna, or other way thay makes it not extremely harmful or deadly. So, your body can identify the antigens on the cells and realize it is an invading species trying harm your body. If you are vaccinated you can still get the virus and it can still mutate like the flu. Stop pretending you know what you are talking about. You repeat what your inner circle says instead of educating yourself. All the vaccine does is make the vaccinated better protected from the worse of the virus. I know people that have been vaccinated that still got the virus and spread it to his neighbor. Also it's not fucking poilio.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Crazybeeguy The flu has no where near the (untreated) mortality rate of coronavirus and the reason that it hasn't killed 10s of millions more is because we've restricted the spread through social distancing and vaccinations. People can still get covid when vaccinated but they're far less likely and that means we decrease the chances of it mutating into a variant that vaccination is ineffective against.

[Crazybeeguy]

@Ad_Quid_Orator no, they are far less likely to have severe symptoms or death. Obviously you get your facts from facebook. The reason why this virus has this kind of impact is because it was only isolated in countries such as China or MARS Egypt. Covid-1 and its MARS varient never made it too far past the borders, so most countries have never been exposed. It is about as deadly as the flu, look at swine flu and avian flu they were very deadly versions of influenza. Since the mass majority of the world populace was never exposed to the original version it kicked many peoples ass. Many people and animals were vaccinated from the flu and yet varients mutate. Again stop spreading B. S. you dont know what you are talking about. This is a direct play out of V for Vendetta, oh save us government, we are more than willing to give up all our rights. Just save us. You made this argument into a red vs blue. Everyone used data that the un vaccinated are a combination of both people.

[Crazybeeguy]

@Ad_Quid_Orator They want everyone vaccinated, because we have a high risk of going back into a recession. So they arr blaming unvaccinated so putz like you argue missinformation. When everyone is "vaccinated" they can say its no more dangerous than the flu. Just wash your hands folks and you'll be fine. You can't spread it anymore like the ignorance you are spreading. This is not polio. So stop letting the government tell you what to do. Many people are questionimg the vaccine is because of tons of lies and missinformation, Faucci lied under oath. So now people are even more distrustful of their government then you come to board like this with your anger issues with bad info and stand on your soapbox. Blaming the republicans for why your life sucks. Stop projecting and stop your ignorance. I am not republican or democrat. Get real this is not polio. Also go visit a country how about Cairo. Then you will realize you are uneducated and you have tons of rights. Live in real poverty then you will have a right to be angry. Be angry at Tyrants not our government, and read a fucking book on virology and vaccines.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@Crazybeeguy

"they can say its no more dangerous than the flu."

Because when people are vaccinated it won't be.

"So stop letting the government tell you what to do."

The government isn't telling the people what to do, the people are telling the government what to do, that's why the US is a democracy (and FYI being a democracy and a republic aren't mutually exclusive).

www.motherjones.com/.../

Did you forget why this country exists in the first place?

[PinkMichae]

@Ad_Quid_Orator A knew study in Israel has proven now that natural immunity is 13 times more protective from the variants than people vaccinated. And that makes sense since the vaccines are made to simulate natural immunity. So you can't discount it.

www.science.org/.../having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

But the cdc doesn't want to share that study because they want people to get vaccinated despite the science.

We are learning as we go and science changes as we go too.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

Other studies have shown the opposite

www.cdc.gov/.../s0806-vaccination-protection.html

www.factcheck.org/.../

and even if it was true that having already contracted COVID-19 is better at protecting you than the vaccine, so far 13% of the US population has contracted COVID-19 so if we let them contract COVID-19, then it has more opportunities to mutate into new strains that vaccinations and natural immunity are ineffective against.

[genuinlysensitive]

@PinkMichae you are correct its not that conservatives are against the vaccine. In fact it is not even just conservatives that are against the Unconstitutional vaccine mandates. I know many Biden voting yellow dog democrats that are opposed as well.

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

@genuinlysensitive Vaccine mandates aren't unconstitutional:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdEGgg_qg4g&t=285s

[supercutebutt]

Breitbart is garbage propaganda. It's a joke. All you have to do is disagree with an opinion on their message boards and you will be banned. It's a echo chamber that serves no purpose other than making people stupid and hateful. :)

[NYCQuestions1976]

Just like Twitter. 👍

[supercutebutt]

@NYCQuestions1976 Totally different, dude.

[genuinlysensitive]

"All you have to do is disagree with an opinion on their message boards and you will be banned." So its like Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook?

[supercutebutt]

@genuinlysensitive No, no and nope. There are guidelines on those sites. You can't spread lies and hate. Breitbart will bounce you from their message board for disagreeing that Trump is a deity.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@supercutebutt As just one example, Twitter and Facebook removed, hid, and buried stories about Hunter Biden that have turned out to be very true. Also, Facebook may very well be spreading at least one lie currently:
https://youtu.be/6qmht6Tbtzg
Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg can ban people from their platforms as owners of private companies, but they don't get to decide what's news, and Zuckerberg doesn't get to slander users (if Stossel's lawsuit is allowed to move forward and found to be credible).

So the only thing "totally different" is the shit. The smell is exactly the same.

[supercutebutt]

@NYCQuestions1976 But if Breitbart does that, you are OK with it. I got it. You are a hypocrite. :)

[NYCQuestions1976]

@supercutebutt Okay with what? Breitbart? It's the same difference as Twitter, which was my point. Breitbart isn't news either. Me bringing up and pointing out the similarities is the opposite of hypocrisy.

[supercutebutt]

@NYCQuestions1976 No it isn't. You are doing nonsensical "whataboutisms."
What does Hunter Biden have to do with COVID-19 and vaccinations? Is he a virologist?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@supercutebutt Pointing out a person, entity, company, and/or social media platform blatantly burying legitimate stories and factual news isn't "whataboutism".

You prefer I give you an example more closely related to Covid? That's totally fine. Hunter Biden isn't a virologist... but you know who are virologists? The scientists and researchers at the novel coronavirus research laboratory in Wuhan. That was another group of stories that were buried, hidden, and removed by Twitter and Facebook for almost a year: Anything that tried to tie Covid to the laboratory in Wuhan. As if suggesting or wondering or wanting to investigate if the novel coronavirus from Wuhan causing the worldwide pandemic somehow originated from the novel coronavirus research laboratory in Wuhan is some sort of unhinged leap of faith.

[supercutebutt]

@NYCQuestions1976 That would have been a better response than the Hunter Biden post. Why not make sense from the beginning?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@supercutebutt The laboratory connection suppression is mentioned as an example in Stossel's video.

On a related tangent, the connection is also discussed by Jon Stewart in these funny videos:
https://youtu.be/sSfejgwbDQ8
https://youtu.be/jtTvXZ5lby8
Admittedly these two videos aren't particularly useful in a factual debate, but I find it entertaining when humor and sarcasm are used to make a point (not at you, in general).

[supercutebutt]

@NYCQuestions1976 You do realize that nobody knows the origin of COVID-19, right? Nobody trusts the Chinese government so a lab origin is definitely possible. Attempts to steer attention away from that unproven but suspicious narrative was done mainly to protect Asian people who were and are still getting punched and kicked and sometimes killed by assholes who are blaming them. Hopefully you are able to understand a situation on multiple levels. Many Trumptards don't have that ability. OK? So please behave yourself. Thanks! :)

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 Why do you just repeat the same shit every other republican says?

[NYCQuestions1976]

@supercutebutt If that's the reasoning of Twitter and Facebook, then it's good intentions and poor execution. There are other ways to stop or prevent unacceptable violent behavior. Hiding credible news stories only helps to potentially breed further suspicions amongst the general public.

Playing Devil's Advocate, if what you wrote about social media's reasoning is true, that still doesn't explain why CDC officials - whether during the Trump administration or the Biden administration - didn't request/hasn't requested sooner a formal inquiry or investigation into the novel coronavirus research laboratory once it became common knowledge that the laboratory is literally IN Wuhan, the city of Covid origin. We, as a country, allowed the communist Chinese government, along with the help and cover of the World "Health" Organization, to dictate to the rest of the world the "origins" of Covid in late 2019, and early and mid 2020, instead of insisting on a real investigation from the very beginning. These stories are listed in chronological order:

www.science.org/.../scientists-strongly-condemn-rumors-and-conspiracy-theories-about-origin-coronavirus

www.forbes.com/.../

www.washingtonpost.com/.../...0c9881111_story.html

www.businessinsider.com/china-who-multimillion-dollar-contribution-political-power-move-2020-4

www.cnbc.com/.../...oronavirus-at-who-meeting.html

www.thetimes.co.uk/.../coronavirus-world-health-organisation-inquiry-will-not-visit-wuhan-laboratory-kqbvw0tw8

www.washingtonpost.com/.../

www.npr.org/.../who-chief-wuhan-lab-covid-19-origin-premature-tedros

Continued ⬇️

[NYCQuestions1976]

@supercutebutt Continued ⬆️

Now that the World "Health" Organization has seemingly made a public 180 when it comes to the Wuhan novel coronavirus research laboratory connection theory due to growing international outrage, I wonder how long it'll take China to withdraw their 2 billion dollar "donation" pledge? Also, prior to that "donation" pledge, China had never donated more than 60 million dollars in any given year to the World "Health" Organization.

https://howmuch.net/articles/who-contribution

The bottom line is this: The fact that in nearly two years (the first hospitalization reports started coming out of Wuhan as early as November 2019) there hasn't even been a knock on the door at the Wuhan laboratory by an international science and medical envoy to at least ask questions, is blatantly egregious and outrageous... and social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook had a hand in shaping that narrative by burying legitimate stories that brought up the possibility of the Wuhan laboratory connection.

(This is actually pretty good. I might make this a poll question or myTake. Thanks for the inspiration.)

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChefPapiChulo Social media platforms across the board aren't news sources and they don't get to dictate to humanity what qualifies as legitimate news stories.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 you’re just saying random things with poor arguments. You’re either doing this out of ignorance or maybe you’re trolling i don’t know.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChefPapiChulo Pointing out that Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg activity censored coronavirus research laboratory connection news stories on their platforms are "random things"? That's not my opinion. That actually happened, and on numerous occasions.

Suggesting that the current worldwide pandemic being caused by the novel coronavirus that first surfaced in Wuhan probably originated from the novel coronavirus research laboratory that also happens to be located in Wuhan is an example of "poor arguments"? Please supply an alternative "non-poor" argument, coupled with supporting current medical expert link (s).

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 see there you go again. Just repeating the same old shit over and over and over and over.

[ChefPapiChulo]

What you’re doing is arguing in bad faith. And your arguments are full of logical fallacies.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChefPapiChulo It's the same stuff because when something is true, you don't need to make up new and different things.

Which part (s) are "logical fallacies"? I posted numerous links and a video (plus two humorous videos for artistic impression) in support of my argument. If you're going to claim "logical fallacies", all I'm asking for is a counter-argument against the research laboratory connection and current supporting medical link (s). I believe that's a fair request.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 so. Your argument is based on it being from China and no one is investigating it. And it’s somehow being buried story.

It has been invested, no one knows how it started besides the first possible cases. It takes years to find the origin of viruses like these. While it’s not possible to know if it came from this lab it’s not impossible to say that it did. But just because it’s not impossible it doesn’t make it likely.

While it could be a man made virus, there’s no certainty that it is. And trying to force this theory is harmful to actually finding the origin, because there’s no leads or evidence to suggest that China accidentally or purposely released it.

It’s become a political tool and it’s being pushed like one. That’s why it gets censored.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChefPapiChulo Your argument against laboratory likelihood would be reasonable if the laboratory was far from Wuhan. It's literally located in Wuhan, and the laboratory workers live in Wuhan, where the first cases were recorded in November 2019. If the laboratory was like 500 miles away? Then sure... the laboratory argument would be a leap of faith.

Personally I don't believe it was released deliberately by China. Someone probably handled a Petri dish, blew their nose, and went about their life. Now here we are. However, the subsequent cover-up by the Chinese government was definitely deliberate, and the laboratory still hasn't been visited by international investigators. It's been almost two years since the first cases in Wuhan, and not one knock at the laboratory door to ask questions.

The "man-made/deliberate release" stories weren't the only ones censored. Any story that hinted at any possible connection to the laboratory was censored, and that's unacceptable. The stories became politicized because they were censored, not the other way around. Regardless - chicken or egg - Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg still don't get to decide for the masses what's newsworthy. They're not the media, they're not elected officials, and they're not medical professionals.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 so i'm done arguing. cause you dont have a clue about what you're talking about. correlation doesn't equal causation. The lab exist in Wuhan because thats where there's large amounts of the corona virus. Wuhan is also a place where large amounts of people meet, making it easy to spread the virus. You're going to find that where there are large cases of a certain virus, you will find labs close by.

You clearly don't have a fucking clue dude.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChefPapiChulo You're done arguing because you have no legitimate argument. Otherwise you'd supply current medical links to support your claims. I supplied numerous links and examples, and made a compelling argument to investigate, ask questions, and eliminate obvious possibilities. You responded with no evidence and name calling.

If you want to believe that the novel coronavirus from Wuhan didn't come from the novel coronavirus research laboratory in Wuhan, fine. Free country.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 bro i just explained it to you how your connection is wrong. Everything else borders nonsense.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChefPapiChulo Your explanation didn't supply any alternative information. You simply disagreed with my connection and cited "correlation and causation" while offering up nothing tangible and specific (either factual or medical theory via link) as a different possibility. The "there are laboratories and population and coronaviruses everywhere" isn't a cogent argument and does nothing to explain why there shouldn't be at least an investigation into the Wuhan laboratory that literally researches the same exact respiratory coronavirus that started this pandemic. Also, being against censorship and information suppression isn't "nonsense".

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 you're not making any sense.

Correlation doesn't equal causation is a logical fallacy. that means your argument is invalid.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 your information is faulty (you posted news articles as credible information), your arguments are full of holes, and you keep repeating the same crap despite being told that your conclusions are coming out of thin air. all you have are red herrings, strawmans, slippery slopes, and false equivalence. You write so much nonsense that arguing with you would be a full time job.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@ChefPapiChulo Correlation is all that one needs to successfully argue for an investigation, because it's the information gathered during the investigation that proves or disproves the causation. You seem to believe that since the causation isn't openly apparent or blatantly obvious, that completely negates the need for an investigation. That's backwards.

I've given you numerous opportunities to offer up just one possible legitimate causation theory in opposition to the plausible laboratory connection theory with current supportive medical professionals links. You've only responded with unsupported criticisms based on seemingly nothing but "I don't like your arguments, so there".

For some reason you're vehemently opposed to supplying any evidence, contemplating logical conclusions, implementing common sense, and using critical thinking that oppose your beliefs. You falsely accuse me of "conclusions out of thin air" while offering up nothing in support of that false accusation other than your unnecessary criticisms and empty opinions.

[ChefPapiChulo]

@NYCQuestions1976 your arguments are bad

[Crazybeeguy]

I dont think they are that intelligent. I used to be a "democrat" years ago, during Obama. I voted for him, then when NOTHING changed. I stopped drinking the Koolaid. I travelled around the world saw many countries met many people. Their love and hate for America. How different governments controlled their people. How no matter what kind of peaceful negotiations, there's goverments that want Americas number 1 spot. Canada, France, and Europe hate the social welfare system. Germany is not so bad with it. The only country that is doing well with it is China.
I have friends in Indonesia who were telling about China stealing Soverign countries land. I am glad Biden did something about it. Also, I have a buddy hard core republican got the vaccine, still got Covid and recommends everyone get the vaccine.
He said he would be dead and a healthy neighbor got painfully ill. I haven't got covid even when everyone around me did. So, does that mean it doesn't exist? No it just means I have been lucky. I am waiting for more data to come from its usuage amd FDA approval for Moderna. Or a vaccine mandate forcing me to take it. If something happens, I can sue the shit of them and win.

[RolandCuthbert]

Or it could be that Liberals know that Conservatives won't take the virus if they say they should. . . but then the Conservatives could secretly know that is what the liberals are doing. . . but then the Liberals would the Conservatives to know that. . . which in turn. ..

https://www.youtube.com/embed/8l_WK1IsRYQ

[bamesjond0069]

About 90% of the covid deaths are people with comorbidities. The average age of a covid death is about 80. So if you are healthy and not elderly, the risk is really not that much. All vaccines have an injury rate. So normally you can run the data and see are you more likely to have a serious outcome from the disease or from the vaccine. Unfortunately most of the "science" community has put out false information at some point during COVID so you can't hardly trust most of the numbers available or it would be extremely easy to determine. It's almost as if they did this on purpose so you could never be sure which weeks numbers or methodology was correct as it is changing that often. SMH.

[goaded]

[abc3643]

D Conservatives are not getting vaccinated because they are being misinformed by Conservative media like Breitbart.

That said, I just wish all those ill-informed Conservatives (*) would just have a convention like in Tulsa OK and get together and spread their misinformation (and *cough* SARS-CoV-2 *cough*) amongst themselves to help expedite evolution.

(*) Like my sister who decided to be estranged from me because she's a devout Trumpster anti-vaxxer. If she "owns the libs" from the cemetery, I get to inherit everything!! Yippee!

[BCA6010]

If that's their strategy, they need to find a much more deadly disease. Covid is poorly suited for biological warfare. Additionally, since the left continues to refuse to acknowledge the impacts of obesity or the effectiveness of therapeutics, and regularly manipulates data to create results rather than actually acting on results, it seems just as likely if not more likely that they are interested in killing off their own, or anyone else they can.

[litty]

Lol there are people out there that are convinced the vaccine will kill them. And if they die because they didn't get the vaccine, then they will also blame the liberals. So what difference does it make? They have a death wish because they refuse to take responsibility for their own health.

[Anonymous]

Well, seeing as how the most under-vaccinated ethnic group in the US is African-American, and seeing as how that group isn't known for being a bunch of hard core MAGA conservatives, I'd say that the folks who are most vaccine hesitant may actually be the libs themselves.

[goaded]

Don't they make up just 13% of the population?

[Fuentes]

It's funny they report black americans are the least vaccinated? Lolol but yet were not dying to covid so what is science excuse were immune? Hahahhaa funny !

[Opinion Owner]

@Fuentes According to the CDC blacks make up about 18% of total Covid deaths (see table half way down this page: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e1.htm)

As I believe @goaded is correct that they make up about 13% of the population it would seem that blacks are in fact over-represented in covid deaths.

[Fuentes]

Lol im not dead and neither is anyone i know so no way thats true or anyone in my family

[Fuentes]

I took a look at it and i see that has been reported but i have not seen anyone die in my familly due to covid or any friends i grew up with nothing & more lol so im still skeptical its not true but they did report that

[Opinion Owner]

@Fuentes Dude--there's something like 330 million people in the US of A. At last count fewer than 700 thousand people have died. So that's not a lot. Your family isn't nearly big enough to be a meaningful sample of anything. It's not a completely useless way to build inferences about the world, but it's close.

[Fuentes]

Im still not taking the vaccine

[Opinion Owner]

@Fuentes That's cool--if you're young you're at very little risk of getting anything serious or life threatening. But yeah--that's also going to add to the under-vaccination of black Americans which runs counter to the narrative that's currently being pushed (by this question for example).

[Anonymous]

Conservatives are more healthy for the most part because conservative beliefs are taking care of yourself hard work more likely to work out and be healthy the death rate is next to 0 if you're not obese or very old this is not actually a deadly disease America it's just very very unhealthy

[ChefPapiChulo]

you would think that. But its not even remotely the case lol.

[Opinion Owner]

It's actually it is the case Literally go to any gym anyone who is there is conservative.

[ChefPapiChulo]

you know i've been seeing that a lot lately. Random capital letters in the middle of sentences by users on here. I wonder what that could be.

But that's not true. On average, republicans are more obese than democrats. They also drink more.

[Opinion Owner]

No argument just crying over typos or something just liyeah same just like a liberal you have nothing other than believing in myth. Actually liberals are alcoholics look at Nancy Pelosi's private jet bills see charges to the taxpayer and how much alcohol you buy for her. Is the literal son of the president right now there's pictures of him drinking and doing multiple drinking and doing multiple drugs the fact is it's liberals who do all that you think conservatives are healthy actually do all the work pay all the bills and liberals just point the gun at their head saying pay these bills or I'm going to kill you and poor people like you cheer it on because they'll give you a little bit of crumbs

[ChefPapiChulo]

Wow that's a lot of nonsense. But what you said is false. Republicans on average are much fatter, and drink more.

[Opinion Owner]

Again that is incorrect all the data proves you're wrong but you're a liberal you don't know what's going on in the world you have a very low IQ in retarded rains that's why you need the government to take care of you that is the fact that being a liberal.

[Fuentes]

Aye bro chef papi chulo is actually suffers from dyslexia and all he knows is non sense and makes stuff up he is your perfect example of a insane liberal and he tries to pass it off as trolling but he really is that dumb lol

[FakeName123]

Problem with that is that the data shows a different picture and vaccinated are at least as likely to catch serious Covid as the unvaccinated. Data from the US, UK, Singapore and Israel show that pretty consistently.

So if that was the liberal plan, it surely isn't working.

[lightbulb27]

conservs weren't taking the vaccines when the conservs were in power and their leader took the shot. what we have now are hardened holdouts... with more and more data not to take the shot and why should they, we should be approaching herd immunity.

liberals are just pushing it as they tend to have more group submissive behavior, trust their leaders (not the other side) and conservatives more independent minded.

dunno... what I don't know...

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

This is an American things isn't it?
Just because you are for a certain political party doesn't mean you have to agree with everything they stand for in every aspect of life. Education, economics, health, etc. You can have your own opinion on things.
So if a republican wants to take the vaccine, why should they listen blindly only to one side? Why not think for yourself for once?

[Wester1967]

I could care less as long as these idiots who’ve used their power to utterly obliterate the functional economy and society I grew up in - leave-.


I remember the Gingrich 90s when I heard about how liberals were not human and one less liberal was some kind of big victory. Right back at cha now MFs. I hope hell is a cold ass place for them.

[tatianamay]

So, you do care a little bit?

[Fuentes]

This sounds like reverese, reverse, reverse psychology. Me not getting a vaccine has nothing to do with a political stance and people from all over are getting brains and seeing most liberals for what they are an insane circus marry go round & the lies they spew to push a weird agenda & they're the conformist sheep who follow.

[loveslongnails]

Right wingers give off the impression that "we won't do anything the government tells us to do, because we're all about less government." Except when that government was Trump, in which case they did ANYTHING he told them to do... except to take the vaccine now. LOL Breitbart just needs conspiracy theories to push in order to sell subscriptions.

[Paul09]

Are you people really that naive? ALL politicians are corrupted. ALL parties are b. s. No matter who you vote for, we Will never be happy. All politicians are puppets. Get it through your heads. Fu*k politics!

[Celtero]

There's a portion of conservatives who distrust the left to the extreme, to the point where they will just do the opposite of what they say. These are the people who would get the vaccine if the left was against it.

[hahahmm]

No.. that's like saying conservatives use reverse psychology to make sure (most) liberals are unarmed when a violent criminal attacks them.

[DaveToo]

I've said it on several media outlets, "Please, those of you who don't want the vaccine, don't get it. While you're at it, don't wear a mask either. Just do us all a favor. Hang out with others that feel that way. Stay away from me."

[Amy7777]

Are you talking about Obama's birthday party?

[DaveToo]

@Amy7777 You had to make it political when in reality, it's about a health crisis.

[Amy7777]

I'm guessing you didn't bother to read the title of this political question. And I'm guessing you don't realize that this question wasn't posted in the "How do I look" section?

[DaveToo]

@Amy7777 I read it. I ignore attacks on my liberal philosophies. Also, assuming I don't understand a particular question simply shows me how many conservative-minded people think of us. So, feel free to take my comments whichever way you want.

[Amy7777]

I never attacked you, I attacked Obama. And if you believe in what you're saying, you should be attacking him, also. You should also attack Muriel Bowser who did the same thing as Obama. And you should be attacking London Breed. She's the mayor of San Francisco that mandated indoor mask wearing. Then she went out to a blues club where NO ONE was wearing masks or social distanced.
Her excuse was that she was "moved by the spirit" and didn't want to wear her mask.

Hers is a classic case of liberal virtue signaling. Even though she doesn't follow the rules, she still gets credit for making the rules that she doesn't follow.

[DaveToo]

@Amy7777 Meanwhile, Trump and most of his circle of enablers, along with people like Cruz, McKKKonnell, and their ilk continue to be seen maskless. I don't care which side of the political spectrum you're on. If you don't wear a mask in a crowd you take a chance on getting the Delta variant or worse. So fuck 'em. Stay the hell away from me and those of us that understand how communicable this disease really is.

[Amy7777]

So you think Obama was an asshole for inviting 700 people to his maskless party?

[genuinlysensitive]

@Amy7777 or Pelosi, or Whitmer, or Newsom, or Cuomo, or DeBlasio, or Sisolak, or Lightfoot, or the Mayor of Honolulu, or the Mayor of San Fransisco, or the UN, or Celebrities at awards shows. Seems like there are a lot of rich important people who these rules just don't apply to. Its just the peasants that need to wear masks and get vaccinated!

[Amy7777]

@genuinlysensitive

If there's ever a real zombie apocalypse, you're going to be in big trouble. I hear they like people with brains. LOL Most of the people on this site have nothing to worry about.

[Lliam]

@Amy7777, 👍 to everything you've said.

[jshm2]

Neither.

The problem is mainly anti-vaxxers, not liberals or cons.

The largest groups causing problems in covid numbers are the antivax and the immunocompromised.

[Lliam]

Except in places like Israel and Gibraltar that have the highest rates of vaxes. It's the vaxed who are filling hospitals.

[Soteris]

Nah, liberals are not that deceptive. Its Breitbart that tries to use reverse psychology by accusing liberals of using reverse psychology.

[joeldalton]

Lmao. yeah it’s the deception that’s the the egregious offense here.

[Soteris]

@joeldalton All I am saying is that its not in the nature of liberals to organize a lie like this. Its much more something that a single news organization known for lying would do such as Breitbart.

[joeldalton]

That reply is so insanely laughable I don’t even know where to start.

[Avicenna]

@joeldalton: Soteris was a cojoined twin with Odd at birth. Explains a lot, doesn't it?

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Why you are so attracted to me for example?

[Avicenna]

LOL, Soteris no one is "attracted to you". Is this Narcissist Week among the hardcore GAG left?

Leftists "organize lies' all the time- EVERYTHING leftists parrot is a lie or, at best, a deliberate distortion that makes it a de facto lie.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Yet here you are when no one asked anything of you. People are starting to gossip you know, it is very strange is all I am saying.

[Avicenna]

Your comments here are indeed strange and narcissistic.

But if you don't like people responding to comments you make on a public forum, no one is making you comment at all, and, in addition, you respond regularly to my posts on a number of topics, none of which are censored by me, despite the fact your comments are propaganda.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna You are replying to me so obviously it gives me the right and duty to respond.