Oh my god. My sister told me about the "neurodivergent" trendo. First time I see someone use the word.Questions.1. Why because of your mental illness, you assume you are more qualified?2. Is it not possible for someobe with a history of mental illness or in contact with mentally ill people to agree with some of the responses here?3. Don't you think the people you described in full blown episodes are a danger to people around them? Should they not be - if not imprisoned - at least in an institution? Actually, whicj type of institution: prison or psychiatric hospital?4. What punishment or treatment do you think would be better suited for them (the type you described)?
@Nomina 1. Because I've experienced it first hand and lived in an institution for almost 2 years where I was around people who were dangerous, criminally insane, and others completely harmless. Due to the nature of my psychotic episode, I was sent to a facility where people were committed for life. 2. Yes, and I agree with many of the responses. But I don't agree with those that outright say they should be sent to prison just like a neurotypical person without understanding the situation. 3. Psychiatric hospitals are the best places for them. And in many countries, if charged with a crime, they get sent to a hospital for an assessment to see whether or not they need medical help or to figure out if they were aware of their crimes. 4. It all depends on the severity of the crime and depending on whether or not they were aware of their actions. If they had a psychotic episode and weren't aware of what they did, they need to be assessed in a psychiatric facility. If they were aware of their crimes they can do a small amount of time in a prison that can handle the mentally ill. a
1. First hand experience isn't the same as knowing the ins and outs of the law, application of the law or its impact on society at large. If i got into a car accident, it would be first hand experience but wouldn't give me the knowledge in the mechanics of a car and how to make them safer.2. Fair enough and I agree with that. It wouldn't be safe for anyone. Either the mentally ill or those around them. What are your thoughts on psychiatric wings in jail/prison?3. Oki dok. When thinking about punishment is it the length that makes it harsher? How do you determine how long to keep someone in a hospital?4. Let's say during an episode, someone got killed. They weren't aware of their actions. Their mental illness can be treated and managed. Do you think they should only be held in a hospital? If managed to the point of functioning, should they stay in the hospital or do you think the case can be made that they should be transferred to a prison?
@Nomina 1. Due to my experiences, I am studying criminal psychology so I will be getting that knowledge. I've interviewed the mentally ill who are in prisons, I've helped lawyers on cases. Plus, car accidents and actually living with a mental illness and being in the system are not the same thing. My experience actually gives me an upper hand. 2. They're better than going in General Population3. They stay in the hospital till they can prove they're no longer a threat to society. My stay was 2 years. I had to prove myself to be able to get out. When I had a relapse they sent me right back in and I had to prove myself once again.4. From what I've seen, when someone is killed, those mentally ill persons rarely ever get out. There's a special criminal unit in the hospital for them that is like a prison but they get the mental health help they require which wouldn't be possible in a general prison. They'd have to make an extraordinary case to be able to get released. I met a man who was in such a situation. He was in that hospital for 20 years and is still there.
1. There's something bugging me about that answer. But i can't put my finger on it.2. Thank you3. So if sentenced it's an indeterminate amount of time? That's rough! But understandable.4. What do you think about that? The fact that they rarely ever get out.
@Nomina 3. Yes, unfortunately, it's almost always an unspecified amount of time. While I was in hospital, I had no idea when I was getting out till they told me the night before. They don't tell you how long your stay is, especially in criminal cases. You go before a review board every month to check on your progress in criminal cases. So, every month you go to the review and, if satisfied, they can give you a release order. Otherwise, you stay there. 4. If they're dangerous enough, then I guess, for the sake of society, it's the best. If they're not dangerous, I think the review board process is good for them. I've known of a few cases where they were eventually released and are now living a fulfilling life and have never reoffended. If reoffence is high, they should stay as long as needed.
Thank you so much! That was really interesting.
@Nomina No problem!
That's why there is an assessment in a psychiatric institution. They don't just believe everyone. People do lie, especially the mentally ill. You're first charged with the crime, then the judge sends you to a facility, then at the facility they diagnose you, then they assess whether or not you are capable of understanding from right or wrong. If you can understand right from wrong you get sent back to the judge and possibly go to prison.
@Wraith_Cemetery yes! And I agree.
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Not sure (1) is always applicable but (2) definitely is... we have an institutional flaw when it comes to mental health.
@Alyssa11 I was a mental health counselor for 6 years before I went to law school.
That must've been an interesting experience
You are confusing differential diagnoses with different diagnoses. The DSM IV literally had a diagnostic formula (I believe even having an officially sanctioned Excel spreadsheet) based on severity of all mental symptoms that would spit out all the differential diagnoses and observation criteria for confirmation of correct diagnoses. Mental disorders have not just objective, but mathematically proven methods of diagnosis.The DSM V however removed the formulaic approach, due to a lack of sufficient mathematical ability in the majority of its userbase. You can still technically use it, but you then have to flip through two editions of a truly gargantuan book.
@Azazeres its irrelevant because the problem was there either way. the DSM itself is not an objective scientific document. there is no objective rules for what is and isn't a mental disorder and even the "standards" to apply a diagnosis to someone are subjective from one user to anotherpsychology is not a science
19k a month? Holy shit
I have heard stories about people with schizophrenia not getting charged with a crime they committed but I read online schizophrenia is the worst mental illness a person can have
They don't get charged because they get put in a institute as they are no longer able to look after them self and are not safe in the public they don't just get off the crime and allowed to go free
I hate how people get committed for having mental health issues. That puts them so behind after they finally get out, such as losing their job, their apartment, and whatever else actually was going well for them before they went into the hospital. I feel like that would cause even MORE depression, if that's the mental illness they have.