Definitely yes, I always ask what’s the point of this life etc etc, I have no goals since I know we all die so there’s no point of trying, my family think I’m crazy
Of course. I've been having at least three existential crises per year since the age of 12. When I was 13 I had a complete mental breakdown.
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Honey, it's not the fancy term "existential crisis" at all. You are simply depressed. When you stop enjoying life, that's when you start questioning its existence. I mean REAL enjoyment. It's hard to know what you really enjoy these days because there is so much brainwashing and manipulation that you can't tune into your own instincts. That is why you ended up where you are now. What truly makes you happy, is what makes your face light up, not "big careers" or "childless love". Stand in front of the mirror. Think about the things you think you might enjoy. Keep a half glance on your face. When it lights up, you will know.
Try going hunting. For food. Real hunting. Don't give yourself easy access to groceries. You will feel the thrill of life. Imagine a 3 year old child that looks like you, has your eyes, talks like you, enjoys things like you, is exceptionally skilled at the same things you are, only more of it, and he is more fresh and full of energy and life and spirit. If you don't feel a thrill, make an appointment with your family doctor. You probably need a bunch of testing and maybe more.
Women have srtrong maternal instincts - something Mr. Freud likes to call "penis envy" 😂😂😂 because obviously he could never be a mother. A lot of times that instinct creates a loving bond with a tiny human, that gives them warmth and purpose, and protects them from depression. Unless they are unlucky and have to wait for decades, which is when they will feel "existentially challenged".
Women’s existential crisis can manifest twice. The first is outlined in De Beauvoir and in Dworkin. The crisis that their full humanity will not be lived to its full capacity. This is the element of feminism that is always brushed under the rug by red pill dudes who always make “feminism” a straw man bogey monster that oppresses them.
The second existential crisis is “the wall”, the end of the party. Where all prior misdeeds and bad decisions are apparent on the table and a life turning point existential reckoning is forced by nature, time and biology.
They do, but given the social roles women tend to take on (not just looking after kids, but jobs and even careers with far better work-life balance that let them maintain more fulfilling personal lives), it's usually less severe. And you see no shortage of them among women who take the more traditional male path.
"While we men can push ourselves to question the goal of status games and the whole rat race with only "2-3 why" questions."
I DO THIS EXACT THING AND I'M A WOMAN.
Also, I don't want any kids ever. I am interested in a big career, success and childless marriage. Period.
It's not a gender thing. We're humans after all.
Judging from the responses here, and the general thought depth of human beings, few know what an existential crisis really is. The phenomenon is pretty much exclusive to deep thinkers, and although there is an emotional response associated with it, it's driven by logic and reason.
Yes, women experience it, but in much lower numbers than men.
I disagree profoundly that women experience this in lower numbers than men. Perhaps you simply do not engage with women capable of deep and profound thought. Which is a shame.
@kqueen because women are more emotional thinkers and existentialism is more rooted in philosophical and logical conflicts. Like I said, there is an emotional response to an existential crisis (or it wouldn't be a crisis), but its the result of a lack of logical solutions to the philosophical questions of the purpose of existence, rather than "I feel meaningless" that makes it existentialism rather than depression
"I've lost all motivation in life because I can't think of any reason that any of this matters" is far different than "I just feel like I don't matter, so what's the use?". Same emotional state, very different mental processes
Dude. Judging by your incredibly superficial analysis of women's phenomenological process, I would hazard a guess that I've engaged in more philosophical thought in a year than you have in a lifetime. And I probably have higher qualifications in philosophy than you do, too.
@kqueen of course. I never said women weren't capable of the depth of thought necessary or that the phenomenon is exclusive to men, just that their numbers are lower.
Based on what? If you want to posture as the front of 'logic and reason', show us the hard stats then.
@NicoletteXO @kqueen nothing particularly definitive, but anyone involved in the scientific side of this argument knows why that is. And there are other hypotheses as to why men suffer it more than women, but this is my opinion based on what I've seen and studied
As I said, I'm confident I have higher qualifications in philosophy than you do. So if - rather than actually fronting with any scientific facts to back up your claims - you are merely going to rely on your 'opinion based on what you've seen and studied'... then my opinion based on what I've seen and studied should supersede yours, considering I'm better qualified in the field.
@NicoletteXO ahhh, the appeal to authority fallacy. The problem is that studying philosophy alone doesn't mean much in this situation. That's only a third of the equation at most
You have the philosophical basis of the situation, then the cognitive processing, and also the emotional reaction to both. And that's not mentioning external contributing factors. Like I said; there really IS no hard data, and anyone who knows the scientific side of the situation knows exactly why.
But for someone who is well-studied in philosophy to resort to a classic logical phallacy... that's shameful, don't you think?
What's hilarious and shameful is that you are tut-tutting about me "appealing to authority", when you yourself are appealing to nothing whatsoever, other than "what you have seen and studied".
And in fact, I was simply being kind and suggesting that IF we wanted to go with your yardstick that the best measure of validity here is 'what a person has seen and studied', then what I have seen and studied trumps what you have.
HOWEVER, I'm not the one who suggested this was a great measure of anything. I simply asked you to back your claims with scientific evidence. You couldn't do that, so you fell back on "what you have seen and studied". And if that's the measure you want to go by (not that's it's a good one), then my opinion supersedes yours.
Also, it's *fallacy.
And LMFAO "anyone who knows the scientific side of the situation". And who is that? You? Did you write a thesis on the reason why it is "impossible" to scientifically study the very simple question of what percentage of men and women experience an existential crisis in their lifetime? No? Then what makes you an expert here?
@NicoletteXO I knew you'd pick up on our little inside joke of spelling it phallacy instead of its proper spelling. It's particularly a "phallacy" in this case because you neither know my qualifications nor have you stated your own.
As for the "anybody who knows the scientific angle of this" statement, the data doesn't exist because the diagnosis of existential crisis doesn't exist in the DSM V.
What are your qualifications then?
The DSM is not the only basis upon which an empirical study can be created, Jesus!
This is a bizarre comment. Of course women get existential crises. And plenty of women are socially withdrawn. I am amazed that you perceive women in this way. Like, to believe this you would have to consider women as entirely alien.
No we don't. Mainly because all we think about is pleasuring peen and drinking cum.
DoOf.
I know that's what I think about lol Lifegoals!
i think women by nature are less misanthropic than men, even if they get the blues about things i don’t think they have as much of a fuck the world attitude as men get. i’d think biologically it would makes sense those that have to bare children would be more disposed to thinking there’s more purpose and cohesion in the world.
yes women get existential crises, and also withdraw from society sometimes. We are people with rich internal lives and struggles too. I don't know why that's so hard for some men to grasp
I don’t but I can’t generalize for all women. I’m sure a lot do.
I get that the site provides a gender separation. But being a women doesn't mean you're less human
It is like to think about the situation of the indigenous people of Nauru. To know what's their situation is you need to know where Nauru is. Some of about their history. And natural resources. Natural resource curse as international relations idea and then you can understand the situation of people and can emotionally relate to it, like every other human. But not getting all those information won't make anyone less of a human. To get an existential crisis you need a certain kind of information and experience, and seemly those information are more widespread among men. It is not good/bed just simply different.
The good part about women is they are all of them completely immune to emotions, so something like that can never happen to them :-P
We do especially when we feel lonely in our late 30s.
Absolutely! We just get called emotional then told to just up get married and have babies.
Because women are pretty emotional that it's annoying and there is an age to get married, just like there's an age to have fun.
@smallandtiny men are emotional too kiddo
No they aren't grandma
@smallandtiny they are, unfortunately you were just conditioned to repress them from an early age
Yes we are emotional because we are human as well but no where near the level of girls, seems like girls are conditioned to let out tears to expect others to feel sympathy for them.
I have experienced this first hand, I literally just ignored this girl in college for an entire week because she started to act more trashy with her disgusting way of talking to her fake long nails and she started to cry her eyes out to make me give her attention again (and we aren't even that close)
@smallandtiny you sound pretty angry and emotional right now tbh
@NicoletteXO you sound like you're crying and are emotional too
@smallandtiny hardly
@NicoletteXO Yeah right lmao
@smallandtiny right back atcha LMFAO
Are you a feminist
@RandomDude211141 No. Do you like purple?
@NicoletteXO Im asking @Subarugirl because "men need to show their feelings" is feminism
@RandomDude211141 she didn't say men need to show their feelings. She just said that men have emotions. Because they are human.
@NicoletteXO "Men have emotions that they unfortunately dont express".
@RandomDude211141 I'm scrolling up and I can't see where she said this...
@NicoletteXO You're clowning right
@RandomDude211141 not at all. I even just 'control-F'd the sentence to search for it on this page and all that comes up is your comment.
@NicoletteXO ahahaha.
@RandomDude211141 Weirdo
@RandomDude211141 I said that it is
unfortunately a lot of guys are taught to repress their emotions from a young age. They are taught that expressing the emotions they do have, anything other than anger or happiness is a sign of weakness and that it isn’t masculine, which is unfortunate.
@NicoletteXO Learn to read dumb bitch
They're taught to be how they're meant to be. by the way how is your sexless marriage?
@RandomDude211141 Learn to be a better human, faggot
@RandomDude211141 why do you think that male suicides in the states are so high. Men especially aren’t getting the emotional support they need, and this kind of toxic behavior is usually passed down to them through the father figures in their lives. Having emotions is part of being human. We aren’t robots, neither are men. I think the world would be a much better place if boys specifically were taught how to deal with their emotions instead of repressing them.
@RandomDude211141 How's your 1.5 inch micro penis and erectile dysfunction?
Because they aren't winning in life. I know dumb ass men who express their feelings. They're mitches.
SubaruGirl You're trying to talk sense to an imbecile. As sage and reasonable as your dialogue is, it's going to fall on deaf ears with this one. Sadly, it's clear the only language he speaks is Dipshit-ese.
@NicoletteXO bruh how do you think your hyena ass attitude is going to make you attractive
@RandomDude211141 Aww... stop crying baby. Your mascara is running. LMAO.
@NicoletteXO Well I'm not going to stoop to his level and start calling him names. It's not his fault that some people just have less emotional intelligence than others. He's a product of toxic masculinity and I would also suspect this is probably on of the only time women would give him the time of day, so he's enjoying the attention.
Oh I totally agree with you there. I have hypothesized that guys like this actually get off a little bit with these puerile interchanges, because it's as close to the 'fiery' energy of sex as they are likely to get in months or (for some) years. That said, I don't mind slapping a bitch down occasionally if the mood strikes ;)
@NicoletteXO Well for people like that attention is attention, weather that be positive or negative. Like a child acting out to get his parents attention.
The part where I diverge from you though is your claim that "it's not his fault'". I actually think it is his fault. Nobody forced him to initiate the barb of 'bitch'. Nobody held a gun to his head and said "be a total ass to a woman on the internet today for no reason". He chose it. Hence why I don't mind slapping a guy like this down if I'm in the mood.
We all have upbringings, and we all have traumas. That's no excuse to initiate BS, and expect to get away with it. Guys like this unfortunately speak only one language. It's not reason. It's not gentleness. It's a taste of their own medicine. It's a shame, but it is what it is.
@NicoletteXO the way he was raised isn't his fault. His action and choices how ever, very much are.
Yes, agreed.
Of course they can? Women have fears, dreams, insecurities the same way we do.
I know I have. Fuck, I don't even know if I want kids.
I'm unsure about whether I'm heading towards the correct career path.
I've never had existential crisis and i'm not a female. That's something for stupid people who can't change or adapt, and stay the same forever living lives that other people wanted for them.
Does thinking that way help to keep you on track?
@lilyanony1 on track to what?
A decent life. Existence whatever?
@lilyanony1 I’m not understanding your logic.
I'm not understanding yours hence the question
@lilyanony1 do you know what existential crisis is or do I have to explain that to you before I explain what I mean?
I'm not sure maybe you can enlightenment me on why you you think only stupid people have them...
@lilyanony1 because only stupid people can’t adapt to becoming older and the world around them changing.
Smart people know that things change.
For example. As we get older we get wrinkles. Smart people are like, another year older another year wiser.
Stupid people are like, omg I’m getting wrinkles. I’ll never be the same ever again. I’m hideous.
@kqueen says who a dumb person? Not what statistics say.
@kqueen i think you might be insane.
@chefpapichulo www.healthline.com/.../existential-depression here's some research that backs me up
@kqueen just a heads up. healthline is not a reliable website.
yeah ik it's not the most reliable but it's usually pretty good at summing up research in a concise way. Here's a peer reviewed study from a scientific journal then https://www.mdpi.com/2076-328X/10/1/15
it's your job to prove that "High IQ is linked to depression, anxiety, existential crises, all that lol" is true. It's not my job to prove you wrong.
Also I have actual things I should be doing and I dont have time to prove you wrong right now. But feel free to prove that what you're saying is true.
@kqueen also not a reliable website. Keep trying.
i just did lol. I linked to a peer reviewed scientific study that concluded that gifted or high iq adults have a demonstrably higher risk of having existential crises and the like. Pretty sure you just don't want to admit youve been flailing around for any supporting evidence other than "I feel like this is true and I have stats I won't give you or link to"
@kqueen that is not a reliable source.
@kqueen I don't know what an "official scientific journal" is, but that website you linked is not credible. If you can't create an argument, don't start one.
The website i linked to is an archive of articles from accredited scientific journals, which means most articles submitted were written by people with PhD's in their field, and every article on the site has gone through a strict vetting process, including a peer review by multiple other PhD scientists in that field. Every article then has to go through the editor of the journal, who is specifically trained to look for possible inaccuracies. The specific journal that article is from is the European Congress of Psychology, a widely known and reputable journal. There literally is no more reliable source I could possible give you than that.
@kqueen it is more credible than the last one, but it's not bullet proof. I also read it.
@kqueen It says that people with high IQ suffer from existential crisis more often than high achieving adults. And people with high IQ suffer from existential crisis and and self control more than the other group of gifted individuals.
It hardly supports your argument.
You need to step up your game.
@kqueen you don't have me convinced at all. It compared high achieving adults and high IQ adults. that's only 2 groups. It's also from a website that's not credible.
@kqueen because it's not peer reviewed to the extent a credible website is.
@kqueen what's your obsession with this website? I just told you why.
@kqueen you need to stop bothering me and do your own research. I'm not going it for you.
all articles published in the journal are peer reviewed in a single-blind peer review process, so I'm just really curious as to what you would consider a peer review if not that. I'm not obsessed, you just have yet to give me a clear answer, and I'm pretty sure it's because you have no idea what you're talking about
@kqueen I'm sorry but you don't know how to create an argument. The website is not a credible source whether it's peer reviewed or not. You need to pick another hill to die on.
I'll pick another hill to die on once you tell me why you think the a the European Congress of Psychology isn't credible, since you're claiming a peer-reviewed journal put out by a source widely considered reputable since 1989 isn't credible. at this point I'm just genuinely curious
@kqueen a quick google search and people are hesitant about it.
"In 2019, MDPI journal Psych published an editorial on race and intelligence by Richard Lynn, who had previously had his emeritus status revoked due to his promotion of discredited sexist and racist views, such as scientific racism.[33][34][35][36] MDPI later issued an expression of concern and they changed the status of the article from editorial to opinion, three months after publication. According to science journalist Angela Saini, Psych had also published other similar work defending scientific racism.[36][33]"
There's other controversies, they spam people with emails and other things. Its more credible than the last one. Either way I read the article and I told you that it doesn't prove your argument. That is one piece of information. You're going to need a lot more to prove what you're saying is right.
I've done enough research for you, and that was just to be kind. From now on, you provide your own facts or you get the fuck off my opinion.
@kqueen just stop.
Look. I asked you what you would consider a credible source, and apparently it's a peer reviewed scientific journal that has never published a controversial article, has never retracted any of its articles, and has never sent any unwanted emails to anyone. Those don't exist. There is no source I could give you. You didn't even know what a scientific journal was until I explained it to you, I think you just don't want to consider that you might be wrong
@kqueen You need to either address the argument, or leave. Now.
@kqueen your logical fallacies are getting boring. You need to create an argument that is valid. I won't respond until you do.
@kqueen You're owning him. It's patently true that higher intelligence is frequently linked to melancholia, anxiety and so on. But of course, ignorance is bliss.
@NicoletteXO that’s not owning. That’s stupidity.
Nah.
@NicoletteXO get out of here weirdo.
Nyet.
@NicoletteXO I learned what a credible site was my first year at high school. If her only argument was trying to prove how credible her site is, a quick google search would show that website is a bit suspicious.
@NicoletteXO get out of here stupid. Go bother someone else. I have a day full of studying to do.
What are you studying? PhD in Embarrassing Yourself Intellectually Online? And anyway... go on, go study. No one's stopping you.
@NicoletteXO what I study is non of your business. Now get off my opinion.
Nope.
@NicoletteXO crazy
Hardly. You got totally owned by kqueen, and you're too bombastic to admit your intellect pales in comparison to hers. It's actually comical. But, run along now, go study. You certainly are in dire need of an education, that's for sure.
@NicoletteXO go away crazy person
Not likely.
You really are a sore loser.
@NicoletteXO i knew there was something wrong with you when you were messaging me weird shit. gtfo dude.
I've never messaged you anything, Mr Delusional. Unless you are talking about what I am saying right here. Which I'm perfectly entitled to say. Which is that you got totally owned by kqueen. You're sore, and stamping your foot making demands about what I say or don't say, then getting huffy and making baseless comments. Clearly triggered since you lost the debate above.
Also, pretty funny how your'e like "I've got important shit to do"... then you stay to make comments. LMAO.
@NicoletteXO that wasn't a debate. And i can screenshot the weird shit you were messaging me about another user. You're weird dude.
Oh! Ok, I recant. You're actually totally correct that I did message you to agree with you about your comment on that chick's post who was pretending she had a 130 IQ. Nothing weird about that. In my time on this site I've messaged a handful of people to simply say "cool comment" or "I agree with you". I've also had others message me with the same.
I definitely wouldn't have done that if I realized you had such a bad personality, as evidenced here.
But yes, none of that detracts from the fact that you got owned by kqueen here, and you can't handle it.
@NicoletteXO it got weird when you went crazy. Like what you're doing right now.
I just read back on that brief interchange. You recommended another user to me who you said was smart. I said, "cool I'll check her out" and I mentioned another one to you who I thought was smart. That is not weird. What's weird is you asserting that's weird.
And what's crazy is you continually attempting to tell me what to do. And using words like "crazy" and "weird" in a completely irrelevant and inappropriate context.
Likely because you are trying to deflect from the simple fact you got owned by kqueen.
@NicoletteXO totally appropriate, i said its weird cause you started to show obsessive tendencies. Like you're being obsessive right now. Now please leave.
You're welcome to copy and paste or screenshot the dialogue here, there was nothing remotely unusual about it.
What is unusual is you making baseless accusations.
And the fact that I won't capitulate to your shitty and noisy attitude is not obsessive. What an absurd deflection from the fact you got owned.
If anything YOU are the one who is obsessed with stamping your foot and having another person capitulate to your demands. Sorry buddy, not happening.
@NicoletteXO i felt it was weird. Just like how you spamming my opinion is weird. I'm not interested in talking bad about someone else in private messages. I think that's an unethical thing to do.
Leave already you psycho
If you don't want to engage here, then don't. You're welcome to leave at any time yourself. Interesting that you don't just do that, instead you repeat "please leave" ad nauseam. That's controlling and obsessive behaviour.
@NicoletteXO blah blah blah. you're crazy lady. stay away from me.
@NicoletteXO oh don't get this twisted. I'm not arguing with you. I'm telling you to leave.
Again demonstrating controlling and obsessive tendencies. What I choose to do is not within your control. But you desperately seem to want it to be. As I mentioned, if you don't want to be here, you are welcome to leave. Note: I didn't say you have to leave, or demand that you do, because what you choose it your choice. Just as what I choose is my choice.
@NicoletteXO you're weird
Actually, you are. You keep repeating yourself.
Not only are you weird, but you're unintelligent.
@NicoletteXO yeah okay just fuck off already. keep spamming my shit.
You think people have to do what you tell them to? What a joke. I'll do exactly as I please. Using words like "spam" and "weird" here just show how disconnected from reality you are. Not capitulating to a bossy and entitled dude is not spamming. Another indication of your serious lack of intelligence.
@NicoletteXO blah blah blah
Anyone can have an existential crisis regardless of gender.
Of course, but generally men are more detached and object focused than women. So it comes up more for us.
Pretty sure they live it. You know…being most likely murdered by your SO.
Everyone goes through these things.
Uh yeah... of course.
Of course. We’re human.
It’s just ours are overlooked and joked about, we get asked if ‘we’re on our periods’…or told that we’re too emotional.
YesBeen having one for 5 years.
I'm living in an existential crisis.
I would expect at least some to.
They certainly do. And middle age crisis as well.
they have a better outlook on life...
Of course.
You're an idiot.
No...
of course
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