I remember when I was a conservative I was extremely close minded, I had my beliefs “set” and never sought to expand my horizons into different ideas and thought because of the rampant fear mongering that goes on in the right wing media which plays out this fantasy version of America that just doesn’t even exist where 8 year olds are being communists through the school system, 5 year old girls are transitioning, and blms a terrorist organization looting from small businesses. A fantasy dystopia of America that doesn’t exist where the “blue haired feminists” take away all of men’s rights.
I strictly remember never coming out of this mindset once I decided one day to give other beliefs I didn’t agree with the chance. I decided to have an open mind, and that’s when my opinions started to change. When I allowed myself to be my own individual and quit just parroting shit I saw being regurgitated by right wing figures I used to watch.
Because of this I just find it hilarious and a little on the nose that so many right wingers believe I’ve been brainwashed by my school, brainwashed by my parents, etc. when literally almost everything I believe in today is in direct contradictory to what’s taught in schools.
I really just hope that more right leaning people could take the time to engage with other beliefs and thoughts rather than staying in their own conservative bubble. You don’t even need to be looking to have your mind changed, all thats needed is an open mind and open heart.
Down bellow are previous YouTube watch results from literally last year just to show people can change and evolve.
They are terrified people. If it's not a status quo circle jerk, they will panic. Everyone must act, think, and do exactly what they do. Otherwise their anxiety boils all the way over. This causes them to be slow witted and dumb. They have basically a little handful lexicon of cliches they live their lives by. You can predict their answers, responses and exact words down to fine detail. Because it never changes. Even in the face of reality. When their cliches don't deliver, they go in to pure gaslighting and denial.
The most accurate thing you can say about a conservative is that they are super likely to have Narcissistic personality disorder. Plenty of liberal minded people have it too, but Conservatives are consistently the embodiment of it.
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Also, this little gem from Phillip K Dick's novel The Man In The High Castle does a real good job of breaking down the reactionary conservative mindset.
=================== Then it is in me, too, the psychotic streak. A psychotic world we live in. The madmen are in power. How long have we known this? Faced this? And — how many of us do know it? Not Lotze. Perhaps if you know you are insane then you are not insane. Or you are becoming sane, finally. Waking up. I suppose only a few are aware of all this. Isolated persons here and there. But the broad masses. . . what do they think? All these hundreds of thousands in this city, here. Do they imagine that they live in a sane world? Or do they guess, glimpse, the truth. . . ? It is something they do, something they are. It is — their unconsciousness. Their lack of knowledge about others. Their not being aware of what they do to others, the destruction they have caused and are causing. No, he thought. That isn’t it, I don’t know; I sense it, intuit it. But — they are purposely cruel. . . is that it? No. God, he thought. I can’t find it, make it clear. Do they ignore parts of reality? Yes. But it is more. It is their plans. Yes, their plans. The conquering of the planets. Something frenzied and demented, as was their conquering of Africa, and before that, Europe and Asia. Their view; it is cosmic. Not of a man here, a child there, but air abstraction: race, land. Volk. Land. Blut. Ehre. Not of honorable men but of Ehre itself, honor; the abstract is real, the actual is invisible to them. Die Güte , but not good men, this good man. It is their sense of space and time. They see through the here, the now, into the vast black deep beyond, the unchanging. And that is fatal to life. Because eventually there will be no life; there was once only the dust particles in space, the hot hydrogen gases, nothing more, and it will come again. This is an interval, ein Augenblick. The cosmic process is hurrying on, crushing life back into the granite and methane; the wheel turns for all life. It is all temporary. And they — these madmen — respond to the granite, the dust, the longing of the inanimate; they want to aid Natur. And, he thought, I know why. They want to be the agents, not the victims, of history. They identify with God’s power and believe they are godlike. That is their basic madness. They are overcome by some archetype; their egos have expanded psychotically so that they cannot tell where they begin and the godhead leaves off. It is not hubris, not pride; it is inflation of the ego to its ultimate confusion between him who worships and that which is worshiped.”
I absolutely agree ^^ it sucks because I can never get to them, I could show them all the evidence and give the best argument but they’d still find an excuse for why I’m wrong
If you know anything about Narcissist Personality Disorder, there is no way in hell they will change. It's a self defense mechanism for low self esteem that radically effs up their relationship to reality. They are co dependents who depend on other people to suck the life force out of. Don't engage them. Just put distance between and wait for them to pass on. Try to reach their kids. For the most part they are just lost causes. You can see it all over this site all the time.
I’m a conservative. I study economics. I believe fiscally, the conservative structure relies more on the Austrian economic structure which I believe is a superior structure. Democrats tend to favor the Keynesian economics structure which I believe increases wealth inequality and poverty. I believe it’s an inferior model. Am I a narcissist for my beliefs? No, that’s ridiculous. If you want to have a real conversation, feel free to DM me and I’ll be more than happy to guide you through my thought process.
Because a lot of conservatives haven’t studied history of other countries, I use to be open minded until liberals started calling me racist because I was born white, Or how black people are inferior because white people have privilege that blacks don’t have any less privilege then white if you truly believe you are born with privilege because of your skin color I consider you a white supremacist because it’s exact same ideology that the alt right spew. When you read how to be an anti racist Ibram X. Kendi subject we now need to be racist toward white people because of the past. Why not just have equal protection under the law and treat everyone equally?
then they started saying that men can be women and men can give birth. Last time I checked in order to be a man you would have to have a penis a Y chromosome and not have the ability to get birth but have the ability to get a woman pregnant. In order to be a woman you needed to have a vagina the ability to give birth 2 X chromosomes and breast in order to feed the child some how that’s now wrong. So what is a women what is a man beyond self identify what are the physical characteristics that make up a woman or a man?
gay issue don’t really care about I don’t see why governments need to be involved in people’s relationships at all just let people be with who they want to be with.
Immigration I’m fine with just do it legally,
the feminist seems like they don’t know what there talking about, Given that athletes will never of been making the same because their paycheck is based on revenue it’s like a jewelry dealer The more jewelry you saw the more money you get. Also computer science and engineering and business are the Jobs that pay the most but a lot of women do not have interest in computer science and engineering or business it doesn’t mean that women can’t go into the field it just means in general women do not go into these fields because they’re not interested it’s not that they are not allowed in these fields they just don’t have an interest in them so why force them to go into this type of work.
when it comes to abortion I used to be pro-choice now I’m pro life because I view it as you’re killing the baby everyone needs to have a chance to live, if you don’t want kids don’t have sex or get your self fixed
when it comes to communism keep the government away from me trying to kill me when I was a kid anyway back to my biological mother who was abusive keep the government away from me
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Cancel culture comes from the left mind you. Hollywood and mainstream media is run by leftists that if you don't say what they like they cancel you. Like how they tried to come after Nikki Minaj. How they tried to go after Aaron rodgers, how they lie about blm. BLM specifically said on their website- in the beginning- that they wanted to abolish the nuclear family model. And they are Marxist, their co-founder is self proclaimed Marxist- socialist commie. Conservatives don't have to be open to emotionally charged lefties who want to force them go against their beliefs. Just like lefties are the same exact way. And you are wrong. A lot of conservatives DO try to engage with the left. But when the left can't handle the truth, they cry and scream and tell you you're racist. Even if you mentioned absolutely nothing about race in a conversation. They play identity politics to be victimized and that has never worked for anyone except themselves. They try to do doxx people who they disagree with. All tech media, Google, Apple, Amazon, etc are all leftists and have all been taken to court to be confronted on why they hide information that isn't unbiased. They do try to brainwash people. This isn't the first time in history that it's happened. Thats what people don't understand. This shit has already happened. The left is pretty much moving to being a socialist party without actually saying it. So then look up with Nazi stands for... I will help... The National (blank) German Workers’ Party.
You answered a question no one asked and you’re retarted for thinking anyone would take you seriously while your anonymous. You obviously want to hide your bullshit
Retarded is a word that will get you hanged by your own people, the left by the way. You have to practice being a victim remember? And I answered your question, saying they ARE open minded. But you just want to hear what you want to hear. It's called denial kid. And who the f- cares if I'm anonymous or not. Doesn't make anything I said less valid.
I used to be a conservative too. Or at least, I thought I was, but it was just a narrow minded belief system. Then I got tired of being miserable and tired of worrying about what everyone else was doing and trying to control them.
I was a liberal for 32 years and now I am pretty much a libertarian.
I don't really pay much attention to conservatives.
I think conservatives though have more of an open mind than liberals.
Liberals believe in many things, not because they understand them, but because they have faith in the science which is simplified many times over and distributed to us, the lay people who can't understand the science on a deep level.
Does the science specifically address conservative beliefs about the nature of reality? I really don't know.
How could it? The lay person is incapable of understanding on a deep level why Trans people should be considered legitimate, rather than w/e conservatives think.
I think conservatives are more critical of the science. Wheras liberals take anything handed down to the lay person by scientists as absolute fact, because they have faith in those who conduct scientific research.
Conservatives do not have faith in scientific research especially in the realm of social sciences.
Personally I would like to investigate deeper but like I said, it's super high level complex shit I'm really just not qualified to investigate. As the deeper you go, the more questions that arise.
And most of these fear of science is artificial. I know so many conservative anti vaxxers and their fear of vaccines isn’t rational it’s from the talking points that continue to be regurgitated on right wing media.
They genuinely think the vaccines going to cause infertility/it’s a form of population control.
One of my uncles is one of these conservatives and he chooses not the vaccinate any of his kids due to his fear of vaccines. My uncle even believed that masks weren’t effective because of misinformation he learned three Fox News.
Being critical of science is never smart, it’s the antithesis of smart. We have evolved so much as humans that we are able to create vaccines to help with viruses just for anti vax misinformation to be spreading like an infection in the right wing media
In my view, conservatives wish to be libertarians. However, conservatives cannot. justify freedom in the face of liberal views.
So instead of debating about philosophy and the structure society should take, they just deny facts and science.
For example as a libertarian, I believe vaccine mandates through government legislation should not be legal. People should be free.
Conservatives agree, generally lol. They don't believe in all the same. things I do when it comes to freedom.
But, liberals may say "if we don't force people to get the vaccine, people will die."
There is no scientific rebuttal to that. So conservatives avoid facts and pretend facts are not true.
But facts do not determine how free people should be. Freedom is a matter of philosophy and reason. Which conservatives do not deal well with in my view.
I think libertarians can argue against vaccine mandates for example. But conservatives cannot because they are ill equipped philosophy.
well regardless of whether or not the Vaccines are safe which are a based off a new type of science. Australia was well on the way to turning into an Authoritarian Police State well before covid hit. No object can be kept if it is intended to possibly be used in self defense. It's been announced that soon it will be illegal to work, travel or go to the grocery store without a having a vaccination. Shopping centre centre management will automatically know your status when you walk in the door. freedom of speech has been restricted and violations can result in jail sentences. so my fear is we are heading down a very scary path. forced vaccinations will accelerate fear and distrust of the Australia Government at least. Fear isn't always irrational.
@Sparks32 I'm scared too but I live in the US. This country still has the most freedom, at least in the minds of the people.
I think other countries will continue down the authoritarian path, as will the US.
However other countries such as Australia will go down that path much faster.
I think Australia will have success in forcing vaccines. Left leaning people will praise this and the results will always be shown to be in their favor.
And then suddenly everyone is waiting in line for bread and they are starving to death.
So we will see a continuous match across the world to the left.
If the US is lucky, it will lag behind and people here will wake up when other countries which move in the socialist authoritarian direction begin to suffer enough economically.
Just now I get the feeling that debate is absolutely useless. There really is no point.
I think history has proven so. This leftist March towards authoritarianism is not new I am recently learning more in depth about it.
Time and time again, country after country, swings left, suffers economically, and then, swings back towards liberty. I do not want to call it "the right." I don't want things to swing to the right. I want things to swing towards liberty. Free markets.
But no amount of debate changes anything. Never in the past was the March to the left held back and stopped. It goes full swing until disaster strikes and then massive government reforms remove much interventionist policy, and those nations return to being able to provide for their people.
But I think the US is the one country that is capable of stopping the leftist tide before disaster finally strikes. I mean real disaster, socialist communist everyone starving, unemployment above 50% kind of disaster.
America will have a Chance to learn from our mistakes, I hope it does as I also hope Americans are watching what is happening here. fox news will report it as long as it stays on the air.
But, the US has a poor defender, though sadly, the best defender from the leftist March.
Conservatives. And honestly I have very low expectations from the right.
They are severely lacking in my mind. But I do believe that it ultimately will not matter. Enough people in the country still believe in liberty that even though the conservative party may be a complete failure, the culture and spirit of America, the spirit of liberty and freedom and individualism, is strong enough on its own to ultimately prevent the US from succumbing to ultimate disaster as has been seen in so many countries who have experienced the disaster of leftist ideology.
As a conservative turned left wing dem, I can answer, in a way.
I remember I said something stupid on twitter, and a black woman DM'd me.
She didn't chastise me, but rather copied and pasted what I said, and provided an answer to my question in a way that no one else had.
She helped me understand the "other side" without attacking me for my current beliefs.
She took her time and showed me the why what I believed was wrong, and was patient when I sometimes rebutted her.
I am forever grateful to that woman on twitter. I don't know her real name, don't know anything about her other than she's a black woman married to a doctor named Jay.
But I owe a lot of my personal growth to that woman. I owe her a thousand thanks, and every now and then I'll send her a message just thanking her for helping me grow.
Most conservatives have never been outside of their own social bubbles. If they had, they'd hear the life stories and experiences of those around them and understand they're no different than the ones they've been told to hate.
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.” ― G. K. Chesterton
That is to say, when there is a good system in place you want conservatives to run it. When there is a bad system that needs reform, you need progressive minds to dream up new ideas to fix things. Most new ideas end up being bad ones. They are tried, (like communism) and millions of dead bodies in multiple countries later; liberals still think it's a good concept at it's core, while ignoring everything history and human nature has taught us. Totalitarian regimes and force are the only way to maintain control and coercing generosity is a sure path to the destruction of the human spirit and wealth generation.
Most institutions, no matter how noble their inception; are primarily motivated by keeping the institution alive. Not to solve and rid all the problems the organization was established to solve. Which of course would be the death (or major setback) of that institution.
While capitalism does have it's faults to be sure, (more people have died from obesity in the US than any communist country) the most at fault is central bankers. They rule from an elite, oligarchical, shadow realm where words like 'conservative' and 'liberal' mean nothing to them. They print and worship the almighty dollar. Well... at least until it collapses and they steal all your wealth through inflationary spending.
Most people are centrist, but fall victim to the media. If you speculate that an entire political party is vested merely in deceitful intent and are all bigoted in their views, then you’re not thinking rationally. You’re going to assess and make this bold statement on the basis of anecdotal experience and two YouTube channels? I’ve met racist bigots in the military who were conservative. I’ve met racist bigots in college who were liberal. Want to know what I learned? Nasty traits such as racism and bigotry are not inherent to todays political parties. The media attempts to attach those traits to the opposing party so they can garner a loyal voter base. They use emotional manipulation. The irony of stating that conservatives are predominantly flawed on a mass scale, while comparing about bigotry is incredibly hypocritical. You’re literally enacting the very definition of bigotry within that same sentence. I like democrats such as Tulsi, Yang, and JFK is actually one of my favorite presidents. I lean right because I believe they have a superior fiscal policy structure. I don’t just think democrats are flawed on an emotional level as a whole. I see that there are different ways to solve issues, and I welcome to explore and critically think through both. That’s democracy. Let’s stop attacking the other side emotionally and let’s just talk policy.
There are cultural conservatives & political conservatives, as it seems to me. Cultural conservatives are those who grow up in a conservative culture. Political conservatives are those who have come to believe in conservatism. My experience is that political conservatives are open minded while cultural ones not so much. This means cultural conservatives are less or unable to justify & explain their conservative beliefs, while political ones can tell you the opposing arguments and explain why they still choose conservatism.
That being said, while I am open-minded, there are no longer things I consider as open-questions. Communism works terribly and I know this because the historical evidence shows this. I've read books, heard stories, analyzed statistics, learned about events, etc, which brought me to this conclusion. Communists are unable to provide successful examples, opting instead to "It's never really been tried", suggesting the need to ruin another few countries in the process of proving what has already been proved. Thus, in this question, I indeed don't have an open mind. Should Westerners, as anti-Nazis, be open to Nazism? The answer is only yes if an individual Westerner doesn't actually know anything about Nazism, in which case it is actually not possible for them to know the merits of Nazism without having an open mind. With this open mind, they should come to the conclusion Nazism is terrible, after which they will have a closed mind in regards to Nazism, already having come to the conclusion that Nazism is terrible. Therefore, having an open mind for the sake of an open mind wastes time and doesn't make sense. An open mind must be used to come to conclusions to allow brain energy to be used for new purposes. If a person is never able to come to a conclusion and keeps debating about a single topic, they will never be able to access other topics and come to conclusions there.
Typical progressive thinking to think "if you don't agree with me, you must be close minded." Also, "if you agree with a pundit, it must because they've brainwashed you."
If I had a nickel for every time is disagreed with a progressive and they acted as if I had never heard their viewpoint before and tried to "educate" me about shit I already know. It's like they can't even conceive that someone with the same information could disagree with them.
And what happens when that disagreement comes to a head? The progressive consistently yearns to shut down speech. To categorize all skepticism of their beliefs ad invalid and bigoted. They can't even tolerate differing opinions, let alone empathize with them.
Meanwhile, the conservative side revels in debate, and disagreements flow easily between voices.
Your question basically tells me that you're just an easily manipulated idiot. You thought you were conservative because you swallowed whatever conservatives told you. Now you think you're not conservative, because you decided to swallow whatever someone else is telling you. Try forming an opinion of your own, then maybe your perspective will have any merit.
Yet this is a reactionary response. This question was asked from my perspective, if you wanted to disprove me than getting mad is the last way you’re going to be changing anyone’s views
You weren’t answering my question. You just made fun of me by calling me an idiot.
That’s a low blow, I never went and called conservatives dumb. I just want my conservative family to be more open minded and that’s the reason why I asked the question. There was no need for the rude attitude you were giving me
It’s because a lot the right-wingers are incel and think that going back to the1950s where women lose their independence is going to help them laid. There are a few good right-winger, but the majority of them are angry misogynistic men who believe in the conspiracy theory that the left is trying to turn American into a cultural Marxist. See that way of thinking is why a lot them are so crazy. Everything I don’t is a cultural Marxist conspiracy theory.
You’re not even an adult yet. But anyway, so what made you post this? Preferred gender and all that stuff? I’m assuming you’re a liberal and you hate Ben Shapiro with a passion.
So after you got your ‘open mind’ what exactly did you realise? That a man ain’t a man if he wants to be called a female?
Which part of it do you not understand? You call him narrow minded and all but he’s stating a SCIENTIFIC FACT.
Why should I call someone a she just because he started taking hormones to become woman-like? I’ve known him that he was born a biological man, so he’s simply a man.
I don’t oppose him for wanting to act and feel like a woman. That’s his concern, he can feel and act like whatever the hell he wants but there’s no way you’re going to change into an actual woman so you stay a man no matter what you want to call yourself I’ll refer to you with the pronoun that’s associated to your respective sexes
You’re a toxic, overreacting 15 year old kid. Is that all your mom taught you? To be hateful to everyone who you disagrees with you? That’s your ‘open-mindedness’?
Grow up a bit. You’re butthurt by what I said - and I barely even tried. If I did, I guess you would be jumping around like a dumb, furious gorilla😂
So learn to act like a decent human being first. Then get these ‘englightenments’ later because you’re clearly dumb and naive right now
And you are saying that you can tell that someone’s ‘mentally challenged’ just by reading 30 words written by them through the internet?
Just see how butthurt you are by what I said. And I didn’t even try to annoy you. So educate yourself kid, try to graduate high school first and you can enlighten people later😂
Don’t backtrack now kid. You should have the courage to say something and stick to it. I’m not blaming you for this though because you’re just a dumb and naive kid. But the people you are friends with, those who influence you, I’m pretty sure they’re the greatest morons who are hated by most people.
the same reason all sides are not open minded. Your mind is not completely opened so long as you conform to a set of ideas rather than your own. Listen to your heart, not what people around you try to say is right or good. if something doesn't sit right with you then you have no obligation to indorse or be party to those ideas. I've broken my chains on the political shackles the media and government present us with to keep us divided. In truth the one thing they fear is us having an open dialogue because then they become irrelevant and unneeded. Then how will they justify robbing us all blind?
I don’t necessarily think the issue is sides, the issue is individuals. It’s so much easier to just listen and form your beliefs off of what these people who give the illusion of authority say and get out of that thinking your smart without having to think critically about the information you’re getting.
Conservatives tend to be guilty of this way more, a lot of the news they watch is filled with fear mongering, conspiracy theory, and sometimes just straight up misinformation.
Which is why conservatives rarely ever actually disagree. A lot of these people are being played and don’t even know it
The fact that you refer to a huge set of people as "conservatives" basically means you see all of them as similar and wrong, not only is that closed minded it's also discriminatory. The problem with politics is that each side is the mirror image of the others, neither is perfect and when taken to the extreme they preach madness and social toxicity. Being open minded is taking bother perspective into account seeing the good and bad in them because they both have both neither side is absolutely right in all aspects and matters.
My impression is it has to do with being desperate for validation and/or security. Everyone wants these things but conservatives tend to take the news that they don't have them a bit harder, want an immediate fix for the problem (earned or otherwise), and can quickly become obsessed if they don't get that instant gratification. And an obsessed mind is a closed one.
Are you open minded about mass violent murder? Rape? Why aren't you open minded about rape? Dont be a square... let people be who they truly are, if a man is in his heart a rapist how come you can't support him? If a woman wants to chop off her co workers head with a machete you should be open minded enough to realize she must have a reason, there's more to it than pure violence, so dont be so quick to judge her actions, be open minded about it until you truly understand why she likes to kill people.
Why aren't you open minded about rapists and murderers?
Your examples involve mutilation or violation of another person, which is automatically out of bounds. Things like homosexuality and transing, at which you're directing implied criticism, on the other hand, do not at all harm other people.
@Highwayrobbery why are you so strict in your thinking about consent? You literally won't even consider other options. Wow. So closed minded to assume you know the one right way.
@Highwayrobbery well whats so bad about "mutilation or violation of another person"? You got to at least learn about and consider it before you get all judgmental and close minded.
@bamesjond0069 This isn't a matter of open-mindedness? It's an argument on a rational basis. You can't argue on a basis of opem-mindedness because it's a trait, a phenomenon. Not something that is the reason why you'd argue why something is good or bad.
So far it’s due to how their raise along with what they see. If what they were raise on seems to be correct in terms of how to look at society than it will continue to grow in their minds. Honestly I don't know if any of what either side is correct. But what I do know is that we need do need to start giving each other a chance. I have seen people like canadace Owens give people a chance to talk in her videos. So I don’t think their close minded more so they are logical thinkers. They seem to think liberals aren’t tho.
I’m scared because their beliefs are genuinely terrifying. My uncle doesn’t vaccinate any of his kids, he doesn’t take them to the doctor out of fear that they’re using “population control”
I can understand your position. And I'm sorry you're in that position, we can't really pick our family. :\
Not vaccinating isn't a political position though.. I had the virus.. and I still vaccinated. and so did all of my family. And I, as a conservative, would recommend the vaccine not if they can safely do so. But it's tough trusting some people sometimes.
Most Conservatives are very open minded, in my experience, they've been more open minded than Liberals. The problem with today's society is that Conservatives and Liberals can't agree on what reality is. You can have as many opinions as you want, but you only get one set of facts, and the issue in debating today is that we can't agree on what those facts are. It's a very dangerous position to be in.
I do, I just don't like hearing the same ridiculous arguments that I've already heard on CNN 1,000 times. I swear none of you have opinions of your own, you just repeat something you heard on TV that sounds reasonable but you lack the critical thinking to break it down and see how ridiculous it is.
The irony of such a close-minded opinion behind this question is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
I'll give you the names of several conservatives who used to be liberal: Dave Rubin, Thomas Sowell, Larry David, Candace Owens.
Jordan Peterson has an excellent take on the conservatives and liberals. He says that conservatives and Liberals are both right some of the time, and that you need both in order to have a healthy society. As soon as one side starts ostracizing the other, you end up with the horrible state that were in today. Can we agree that there are merits to both sides? I'm a right-wing nut job, but I understand that new ideas need to be introduced into society. It's really dangerous to throw around ideas like why is the side that I disagree with so close-minded? Let's look inwardly to fix our problems. Goodness knows I have plenty that I need to get right.
Would you call calling the other side communists, or fascists (simultaneously) "ostracizing the other"? How about denying the votes for the other side? When should the ostracized group speak up, exactly?
Because they grew up and aren't 15 anymore - Okay jokes aside - There is a huge fine line between open mindedness and being real - They're not interrelated - Why would it matter to them to be open minded and nice if they already know the other person's point of view and they think it's moronic - As I said they "think" they don't feel an opinion
